Davening With A Small Minyan - Rabbi Zev Smith

hoping that you're all well again once again hoping that we'll see you soon i'd like to discuss a very important indian that's the gay all the time but i think especially now that we're having these smaller mignon and that is the sugya of amin tsum which means you have a minion a small minion and primarily the question that i want to discuss which in the game all the time when are you allowed to start hazardous shots do you have to have 10 people finished nine people six people when do you start the kaddish of after myriam you have to have again nine eight six roy and as we'll see there are many other questions once we clarify this you saw it so the truth is i must mention we're talking about minyamatsumsum it's definitely best to avoid a minion but tsum tsum this it's fraught with difficulties as we'll see i hope to discuss a difference here the problems of a minion but some some of you are elaining and one person is still doubling if you don't have a minion for car bonus could you say kaddash should have a minion for australia if you could say kaddish there are many problems with a minion but something like the earthquake goes once had yard sight and he couldn't make it to the yeshiva so he asked for a minion to come to his house but he asked for 13 bagram to come to his house he didn't want to die with a minion with tsum tsum butler and so we have to discuss when someone does have a minion but tsum tsum so first of all i must mention if you're a part of a minion but sometime and it's in accra if you consent to damp of the minion with simpson you have to realize that you're responsible for the others come on time so they could say kaddish with a minion and of course daven with the seaboard it happens so many times people come late to a minion but some because they don't want to skip cabanas or they don't want to skip the decimal and then the oil has to wait then you have to wait for clarissa shots again so it's important to realize that if you're part of a minion but simpson you have an aquarius to be with the seabourn what's also important is that the tsiba has to try to wait for everybody to start as they state as we'll see wait for everybody to finish so you could they could also be answer and answer but when a person is diving in a chakras minion during the morning rush hour we called people are running to work it's unfair to keep people waiting there's also the balance of terror the tsibur i'm always amazed the more in broadcast when he would dive in the marx describes his incredible extraordinary te feeler how he would dive in and hit with mama she would he and start on one side of the basement and the other side of is a sacred concept in in yiddish king he once devoted a whole share to the ramifications of tirkh di tsibura but definitely terakatsubu is important and of course you need intellectual honesty to juggle the two what's part of davening and what's tierra de tzibura someone will say let's let's eliminate laning on a busy morning so that's ridiculous right so sometimes waiting for the tsi but to finish is part of davening it's not a it's not subject to tired so a very nice lotion in the oz bay seminary and test he said some people deprived that siba what they deserve under the mask of the tsibura he's saying but it's wrong he says if someone is rushing to go home he has to go to work a very poetic lotion which is a pasta in the tower if you have to go go but don't ruin it for others so really it's something that a person has to be honest with himself to know what's terrific and what is violating i saw a beautiful truth in the sound and simon pay it says ideally you're supposed to wait for everybody to finish before you say kaddish it says don't wait for those that have been my styra he says beautiful turrets and simone is talking about kaddish myreth look maya ready people are running to work then you could try to wait for everybody to finish but people are going to work they're running it's unfair to wait for everybody at the expense of those that are waiting so the point is ideally you're supposed to wait for everybody arrived to finish the question is if there is a need to start early what is the minimum amount of people to begin kaddish or khazar shots so i think we reduce all of our questions to a very simple question what's shot that you need a minion for kaddish is it simply you need 10 people we're going to refer that as people so if so what do you care if one or two or even three people are still diving explain estra right now you have a minion you have 10 yid so say goddess stockholm as long as you have 10 people or maybe regarding kaddish and hazard you need more than people you need what we'll call participants since the purpose of kadusha and kaddish is is so people should answer the kaddish or the khazar says maybe you need 10 participants who are listening and answering if someone's dabbing what does it help he can't be counted yes yes let's see ever by i mean unfortunately in these times we have we hear these shyless you have just the millionaire people by the chopper suppose they have a minion by the right and one person says so there's no reason to stop the chopper as long as you have a minion you don't have to have 10 people listening pastors you have to have 10 people for the for the bronchus so maybe the same is true regarding davening or maybe there's a fundamental difference cropping you need a minion but kaddish and you need answers so our question is really two parts number one is it true that you're just ten people's enough or you need participants and is there any difference for hazardous shots or kaddish of myrif so this is a challenging question because there's very little more about hazard but barak hashem we have a tire let's look the earliest source to my knowledge is a chuva admiral ruttenberg and was prague was the rebbe of the rush which makes him affectionately known as the zeida of the of the shahnara because the rosh was the father of the torah who was the founder of the shogunate concept mahmuttenberg is a is a wealth of information for our suggest in fact he was asked our shiloh you have a minion with tsum tsum and one of the ten is still dubbing schweinster can the shots begin davening because the person that established my nestor can answer to the kadusa or the khazar so the mutant brick says the usaid that we already mentioned is found in and he says ideally wait for all ten before you start kadela zakay let everybody have discussion of answering the kadusa or the khazar don't forget the shots it has to serve as his customers his clientele everybody deserves this cost of answering but he says there's no here to wait for ten why listen to this musical is the kobe assault as long as you have a minion you're good to go and listen to his two rayers that you don't need answers you need the number ten because the more in brock is that zayn has a shita absorbent levy even a baby in his crib could be counted into the minion now a baby in his crib is not answering anything okay we pass kin not like that but a goggle that's darkening he could just account because he's he's a he's a goggle a second rally is up to ron ruttenberg and elaine who can't talk but he could but la maisa he's higher than all mitzvahs he's counted into the minion i.e can't talk evidently you need ten people and therefore if someone is still davening one of the ten is still darpaning he is counted into the minion now this is exactly what we're looking for you need 10 people not necessarily 10 answer is 10 participants okay please note he's giving allowance one person could be dabbing we'll soon see if it's only one or even two three or four but rabbis say this is what we're looking for for both kaddish or khazar you don't need people finishing showing us i'll say who said maybe because that is different you have to have nine answers so i'll tell you look at the lost man ruttenberg he says kaddish hold office because what else is he referring to maybe laning no maybe he's talking about hazard shots so here we have the marmuttenberg's important schumer you don't need 10 answers 10 participants you need 10 people ah you'll say okay you found remember we don't ask in that way so we do pascal that way that is if one's still davening you could start he does add and save zion ideally wait for all of them that's also ram ruttenberg but the mar ruttenberg is mentioned clearly in so we could do even better consider the following question someone has a minion matsumtum and he notices one of the ten is sleeping how does he notice he actually hears the person snoring loudly so it's pretty unmistakable that one person is sleeping so this question can you count the sleeping person into the minion was yesterday in semen and he says why not there's a sheet in the gemara even a baby is counted but certainly a sleeping person is counted now we'll soon see that's a big riddish because some say a sleeping person is not a barriova because he's sleeping but la mais mariel is michael the base yosef and simon nunhei quotes the same sheeta of the ogor and israeli the mariberav that a sleeping person is counted and he says he's fine he he eventually found the same kirish in the mario so here we have a big even someone who's sleeping who may be not even considered a barracuda because when you're asleep you can't do mitzvahs he's counted because he's had kosh gains someone who's an elder avada is counted into dominion so here we have a strong case to say if one person is one of the ten is daviding you could still start trainers however before we apply the islamic there's another prominent region that seems to give us a totally different picture and that is the grace harass in claude alex simmon your test has custom made for our question he first begins that la maison the the hazardous chats was said to be in a bucky tribute to someone that doesn't know how to dive in and when you the mighty name the buck you have to have nine people listening so therefore suck the russian i'll quote the lotion now that you have a minion but something so twice the rush says if you don't have nine listeners it's the brachal of atolla not one nineteen brokers of atoll then he add a very wise bit of advice so therefore you're dabbing with the minion make believe you're number nine in other words make sure you listen closely so we'll have nine okay you want to feel good about yourself you could say you're number one everyone likes to be number one but b number one or nine that's counted in other words he says you must make sure that you have nine people listening to the entire hazard in fact he has an historical note maybe this is the minute find this income armagilla that ashool always had a sarah battle on him which means people that learned the whole day and they sat at the show all day why to make sure that there's always a minion of people answering khazar he says the batman and were there to make sure that there's enough for t now this is a totally different picture not like the man ruttenberg who says you could just start if one's happening he says it's nineteen brothers the batola if one person is davening i'll say okay uh you found the rush but we don't pass him like the rush especially if he seems to argue on his rebel ruttenberg right wrong because in kufrov quotes verbatim come at the lush of the rush he even quotes the advice to make believe that you're number nine so according to this rush if you have a minion with some son you have to wait till every last person finishes my nastra and indeed kitten steve bays spells this out if you have a minion with something make sure that all nine finish happening so here we have a big problem in chicago you could you don't have to wait for the last person that damaged my nester and it's insists that it's so you do realize that the answer to this question is the resolution to all of our questions so let's make sure we do this right so i think the most simple shot is it's not a steer at all it depends what the situation is if you notice simon nunhei is a minion is enough the only answer is dominion double shepherd needs ten negative israel so why should it bother you if someone's doubting schweinster and that's why correctly so in simon hey if he's happening you could start kaddish if you have a minion with something and one fellow is is a slow moving vehicle and he's happening slowly don't wait for him because you have a minion but is different look at the words of the rush who's very brief that the hazard shots was initiated instituted to service the ana bucky the ani bucky in the times of ghazal was unable to dive in cannot be yuiza unless you had nine people listening says the rav shochonara and he says it over a few times the following since hazara sashats is done today to replicate the khazarsa shots that was done for the ainu bucky and the ana bucky was only yates if you had nine people eight people besides him listening she had a minion eight people in a bucket on the shots says the rav that's why today it has to be like it was then and you have to have nine listeners don't forget the schlier civil ready davinci menace why is he repeating this monastery again obviously for the inner bucky or today for the minute that they had a nubucky so it has to be at least as good as it was but in the bucky and the rav in fact says that's why if someone even if someone's learning yes ligler we should yell at the person who's learning even if he'll say amen and i should add he knows what brahi is saying i mean otherwise it's a manual sign but he's saying i mean correctly you still have to yell at him for learning you know why because you don't have teacher simon and the rav at least four or five times says you have to have nine people mahavanin or shaymin to the brachaise of the shliyar and as he points it out because that's the original takana they have nine shiman very positive for kaddish after my rev if one's happening you could start because you have a minion but there's a new din of t say this to your side that seems to favor this now however i must mention there might be another shot that has a tremendous impact in allah because what i told you tonight i told you is the simplest shot that makes a lot of sense but it's not so passionate in the lawsuit because as we said earlier the imam ruttenberg in the chuva says kadesh baruch hold office of kadusa plus and this is noteworthy the rush followed by this says we don't have nine people listening why karai why am i lush like something i almost won the powerball okay but you didn't win right carvalho broke sounds to be that it's not a broken bottle why not i'll tell you why not imagine this liksib is very careful before he starts with those shots he looks around he has teeth to shine good he's holding by assembled and his hair is loud snoring oh no what now someone's sleeping or someone's talking and you know he doesn't have teacher shaman so he has to stop well might he should stop if he could but the mice once he started with the minion the continue because the mahabharata says in noon hey steve bays and and steve gimmel if you start dabbing with the minion and one two or even three people walk out forget about sleeping or talking or diving they walk out you don't even have seven bodies anymore you're allowed to finish that that thing because there's a shot you finish lots of shots and say kaddish glad to finish that segment of tv if someone walked out you're allowed to finish certainly when someone started talking or fell asleep we're not listening so how could the rush say if someone is is talking or davening if you if you started the hatter you'll add a finish and that's the time of the drish in the beginning of dallas i saw the pisces island is the same you say and he makes a beautiful pop shot maddox if someone walks out you'll adam at star of him koskinen if someone is distracted is not listening he's davening he's putting our venue filling or he's sleeping you could count him and that's why the brush and the machaba use a lotion of courage in other words it's a very bad thing but it's not amazing is not the real thing so there's no doubt about it and let me be very clear the rush and the bahaba purposely use the lost in karuv it's very bad and carved is also bad but it's not the end of the world it's not really a bracha about allah in other words and here's the kiddish even by hazara if the shots begins behetta he had nine listeners and someone drifted off he's allowed to continue more so as we said from the marie ruthenberger's mashma you let us start without a minion apparently there's no difficult diphthongs or kaddish and indeed the teres siphon and base writes khalillah to say that if the shots begins with just eight and one person davening it's a brachavatola it was during the war it was very a lot of people were drafted and there was a small minion in the show and he came to him there i am someone to go tap with the rebel and leave the city with a minion with something so the other said no you can't do that you have to stay with us you can't go down with the rabbit leave us with a minion but soon so we're going to have problems because those are shots develops the same theme it's only carvalho that if you have 10 people it's good enough and you can't stop someone from going it's it's based also develops this thing theme that there is what to be making even by hazard sashats koshkain if someone walked out in the middle of hazara so the good news is according to this shot the rush is not argon his red man ruthenberg and ruthenberg is saying if one's dabbing you could start the rush is saying ideally wait and plus i should mention the magrilla and the truth that i mentioned says the miniga oil is not like ruttenberg so i'm not like the rush i'm sorry in other words marielle clearly says you're allowed to start if one of the minion is still dabbing so let me be very clear to get back to our question you have a minion with tsum tsum and one fellow established my nestor ideally you should wait for him for two reasons first of all you say number two it's carvalho brocco botola that's certain and everybody should listen but can i leave that to your this question what's that i'll give you an example someone told me without me with a minion tsum tsum and there's one fellow happening going on and on so someone else said listen i have to go to work i'm leaving here seven o'clock you want to wait as long as you can i don't care i'm leaving seven o'clock am that is so he's gonna end up not having a minion for asheville let's see it and then the you saying can't say kaddish so what do you do then so in such a case we have what to be saying that as long as if if one person is dabbing we have mahmutenberg to be saying now the khayodam in aleph i surrender said if you have one person that's davening and he's daviding too long he says more than ishmael which is ten minutes that's a buzz appreciation of a diverse vanessa ten minutes you don't have to wait for that person that's happening and others i found that if really you should wait for all 10 for because it's still carnival but if one person is being married you let us start with eight listening shots number nine and the long mayrich number ten mr brewer in court you tested even makel i mean he says that the belt is makel even if someone's talking we'll soon see that stack up a real problem but if someone's dabbing we could say and you it's a track you'll have to stop with eight and count that person as the ninth now la maison you will point out i'm sure you realize that if you're starting without that ninth person you don't have the heta of hiskel bahata if someone walks out in the middle of the la mashinum it's easier that's the pharish of gamora that yatsumitsas but how you like to start hazardous shots if one's davening so the answer you're right we don't have the head of yatsumitsasan but you have the basic heter that also you don't need likuva tisha now la maisa the problem is when someone one of the ten is talking usually at this one talking there's two talking so here the taz indonesia even regarding the kaddish he says hashem to talk to count someone who's talking into a minion someone that is described as god lava minis says i'm going to talk during is god you're going to count them into a minion he said if someone's diving in esther along no you could be makel not to wait for him but if someone's talking don't count him yell at him muhammad says gay ironboy. so the best aidsa if there's someone's talking because of the shots turn around and wait for him to finish that will usually work instantly because people are rushing to get to work but la maisa a talking person is a problem we did mention mr moore says dominic is to count him in not like the taz but a talking person should be unthinkable and sad relying on him now if someone of the no of some of the 10 fell asleep so that you have a minion what's the problem but this is a problem because although we already saw a prominent list of places that you're allowed to count them into a minion we saw the base the mario augur and the basis of quoting israeli that you count the sleeping person and the mahabharata in new haven pascans like this you could count a governor or a sleeper however the taz has a big problem with this and fracture thousands if you cut in dalit i think a sleeping person is worse than anybody and he basically says what we once this devoted whole shirt to a sleeping person his status in allah might be that he's not a barakahuva the fact the murray says this that sleeping is one sixty of the miso that's what dr basia said if we watch nagawasa in the morning because it was a rural there are so we say every morning hamas in the summer he's living i don't want to touch that but that's what we all were during the night so frank ditaz a sleeping person is worse he's not about he once said in in long distance a sleeping person from agavra becomes a hefso he's not a god for anymore amazing can't counter to the minion so the task says even if you count a baby because a baby's a idiot or count the person who's darkening he's a yid but a sleeping person is worse plus says the taz a sleeping person you have an eight so wake him up the bihadesh also holds you can't count the sleeping person into a minion he brings away from a you can't give a get to a sleeping woman she's not a bargain and the mystery brewer and see la medailles seems to go with the shita in fact bialoga is insistent maybe even with the aved you can't count a sleeping person in other words a yoshin is worse than someone who's militia nestor and this is an a problem attack is someone there who's davening with all the people i saw the bay savi inhaling nursing home he doesn't have a minion of awake people so a sleeping person is a very serious problem what i think we will enjoy to be allah although he's not happy to count the sleeping person he says but if all you if the shots consists of kadusa in other words he's referring to a kadusa then you could use a sleeping person now what's the he's smart on that it's beautiful whenever he's not repeating schweinsteiger a second time the shots or the part of the shots is his first maneusra so it could never become a brachal of atala because that's ishmael nester so we do see that concept of a kedusha being exempt from our problem next important question let's say you have two or three people davening and you want to start kaddish to my riv if you hold you need nine li kuva fakaza shots so of course nine you need so you can't start with two or three people diverting i'm talking about if you're whole you could be makel if one is davening so why don't we say who are then two or three after all bubba kakula if three adapting you have seven people that are participating so this is a good question because in svara once you hold you don't insist on peace jesus what like you go with the the man ruttenberg is good so why not two or three bubba kakula like we find according to many cheetahs you could start with only six miss balaam she's misspelled and indeed that's the sheet of the me ben the magnum and see if congress quotes him that if you go with that one person davening allowed to start kadesh who are then three or four now he's a little more aggressive than i was i said two or three the marie benjaviv said three or four and the truth is of course he's right because if you have four people dabbling right so you have five people answering plus the shots the shots count you have six versus four so if you hold rubika cooler works so you could even start kaddish or will soon see maybe if even four people are still darkening as long as you have ruber kakula however the magnavrom takes strong exception he says this is not a hefcovelt why is it mutha to start if one person is happening rambuttenberg has a source prague is named base from the case of cotton barissa no if the swasti makel is by one child so how do you extend it through bakakula in other words since the whole thing is so only one governor is counted not three or four i should mention that a mcbrachon ahmad jadal has a a little more of a knight and explains that maybe one is good because the gemara says that 9 looks like 10. i see that's why it could be it's good but three or four doesn't look like 10 missing doesn't look like not like 10. so here we have a very sadistic even if you're maker like ron ruttenberg and counting one davening you can count three or four ampersands and this is israel how are you alive as we saw earlier ravozna and then missing karelitz and all those that are makel are makel if one is davening schweinsteiger then you could start because i said shots but it seems that to be cyber on starting when you only have five or six or seven that's not a good idea because there are some shots the painful question is if you don't even have roive listeners now you don't even have five or six so this rapslam is almond in alice steve dalid says then all agree it's not just a karval of brahmatal in other words you don't even have to be saying the sheet that are one's good this is three or four they're not listening so this is a real real problem i hope this is just an academic question but to be makel if one is davening or one is talking we have about to be saying but if you have three or four that are talking or even three or four that are davening it's very hard to sacrifice because the point is you really need tisha sheiman will rely on one is that one missing is like he's there i saw the river safari live the end of sim and tough aleph he writes what he calls a sipu nifla it's talking an unbelievable story he says someone wrote him that he was dabbing in a minion and because he came late he diabetes together with the shots worth the word and he says the shots were saying and of course he realized that he just skipped the whole brahma or emerged there were over a hundred people in the tsibor not one person picked up what the shots did and the whole hazardous shots was levata because he missed the bracha you wonder how does this happen so i asked i stopped asking that question a long time ago but this is a problem people don't listen and today the problem is even worse because there's a good minute people give out divrei torah and and people paper and then and people are focused on that if they're not saying tell them we're saying uh um catching up to zimmer putting our banana times filling they're learning they're catching up anything i've been is to listen to their shots and that's a very serious problem we're talking about a situation that if you don't have tisha shaymin it's but if you don't have at least five people minimum five people listening then it's a broccoli and i hope i'm wrong but let's say you have a situation that mama everybody's doing something else you don't have even five you don't have ruba kakula listening so then absalom is almost maisha but let's say you have a scenario that it's kind it's a broke so you know it's worse than that because if it's a bachelor of atala so the five sadiq who are answering faithfully the entire khazar sashats they are now guilty of a maniasoma because since it becomes barakallahu so sarah it's really amazing so you're talking about a series problem i hope i'm wrong i didn't find this i just saw this recently in the safe and neutrally i mean ahmed mam gimmel who has this idea and i hope i'm wrong but i don't think i'm wrong because here we have we have to make sure to have a minimum a minimum certainly should have nine if you have eight you could be cyber but anything less is a very serious problem so again the eights that we say is make sure you have a minion listening and make believe that you are number nine and again this highlights avoiding a minion but some some because inevitably something like people don't listen and certainly when you have just 20 people i've seen this so many times people say let's make two miniatures it's not good you're leaving too many of them both when you're uninvulnerable with a minion with someone and you start compromising and look i once saw it i wouldn't believe they hadn't had seen it there were 19 people and they wanted to make two million so they had a brilliant idea quote unquote nine in one room nine in another room and one fellow was in the middle of the two rooms and he counted for both which is a good joke but nothing more so the point is try to avoid minion with some tamim and certainly don't split minion to make two million mitsums a question a rav it happens quickly and when he finishes rain estra does not even teach the simon should the shliyat say but just go because waiting for the rav is a very crushed dominican vegas a famous letter that this is one of them and hugging kadasham of chrysler you know yield to that of that mini so maybe you have to wait that's covered cover up don't wait just start but you don't have t-shirts so i would think that that's not correct because the rub also has to follow aloha and that's not covered at cover of to be saying become big coolest so obviously if they wait for the t-shirt shaman so that's the greatest cover hashem so you know the truth is by my riff if the rub finishes quickly so then you could be sorry but we'll soon see more easily because by my riff there's no broccoli and almost admired those that hold even if three or four are darkening as long as you have rife so then i was covered around you could follow on that cheetah because if the mayor of schweinster with only five finishings my nest but the revs should know if he wants them to wait you know you should tell them to wait until you have nine they say they rug each other you had a brilliant mind you should have them very quickly and imam has finished one of the first so the rabbi told them gently maybe they were off-shore plot kimura before steph finishes my nestram so the wrong chapter said i already finished five latkimar before i stepped back so that type of rav has a problem that he has to solve question i had this question let's you have exactly minion with something and one person davening is happening slowly but he doesn't want the tiber to wait so he steps back right after the kind it's right after healer rod sign so this way that they think he finished and they'll start opening my nester there's the shots so that's not so positive i'll tell you why because when he steps back he didn't say okay sorry he has to so he won't be listening to the first bracha of the shots so even if he finished a kind of tsar and he's able to say amen i'm gonna have rum but he's not tisha shimon he didn't hear the first bracha if the rav does that because he wants to not make tearfulness where he steps back but they have teachers shiny without the rav so that's a great idea and many rabbanam do that they step back before all the kindness are to avoid tiracibura but if you want to know you have to be teacher shaymin and you step back and you're really kind of sir you can't be teacher shaman so it doesn't seem to be a good idea ah you're answering amane will soon see answering romaine is not enough you have to have tisha shame looks around hoping to have tisha sheiman and he has nine people waiting but then someone motions don't count me why not he didn't yet stage my nestra he is planning on diving together with the street sible so what do you have eight people that are listening shimon di sterzip is number nine and number ten is someone dabbing mila miller with the shots does he count he's not answering he's happening so we would say if he's not answering how's he good but the answer is and this is based and i found many others say this he is counted because the hidden says you have to have t-shirts shaymin but if someone is dabbling with this he's listening and davening he's even better than a shaman so that is clear if you have a minion with something eight finished one is the happening millimeter with the shots and the shots that does add up to a minion of matsums i'll just tell you an interesting shayla and base oval had five of eminium at some time five available and five other people you don't have only five people answering kaddish because five are saying kaddish so i saw the ralph pauling in beijing dalit says even if ten people say kardash is fine focades you need a minion the ones that are saying are better than the oinim so gratitude and allah says he closes rappel he said try to get two answers so you could so the imran may make sense but beside we see from that tremendous kiddish that you need answers for kaddish but saying is better so we will say the same is true eight people listening one person davening he's a shaymaya and a madaba he definitely counts question if you're afraid you don't have tisha shimon because some of the people dabbling are still davening does it help get someone who's grounded in shul he's learning say do me a favor just listen for the shout and answer i want you to be on a teacher shaman in other words do you have to have teacher shaman that darwin with your minion or you have to have nine benefit listening and answering so it's interesting i looked into this i thought i'll find the fairish i didn't find the fairies but then i realized maybe i did find the ferris because the rush says that you have to have teacher simon and that's why they designated assara batland to be in the shul at all times to supplement the tisha shaymin the battle and people darvened already so it's almost clear from the rush that shame and you could count someone who already davened and i guess as far as posture because reality all the shaman are ready to happen the terence is in repeating my necessary so who cares without with this minion or a different minion question someone said he heard you have to have 10 people listening is that true the answer is no it's not true you look at all the sources in the machine and the rush ruthenberg they speak about a minion with tsum tsum and as far as possible of course you have to have a minion but the shots because he's saying is one of the ten so you do have to have a minion nine listeners and the shots is number ten this i saw the shuriken i said the [Music] question a very important question someone who's busy for some reason people get very busy during khazarsa chats you know what but he says our main faithfully in other words he learns or catches up on us till him but he answers the main when it's supposed to be is he counted into the t-shirt shame now happy very very careful because if someone says our main beautifully but he's learning and you ask ravi he said i mean yeah what broker do you say i mean to he has no idea because he was learning but he knows that man was said because he has saying amen so that is an armenian simon because you have to know what broccoli you said you can't see our main without meaning so to do this trick do something else and say amen is fraught with problems khalil armenia simon we're talking about he does it right i mean he does wrong right actually he's doing something else but when he says i mean he knows which brah he said he has he's following along in other words it's a legitimate amine but there's no shamaya he's not listening to the shots so this brings us to a very fundamental question we insist you have to have shaman teacher simon okay maybe you could be settle for eight but nine is ideal is that shaman oinin or both maybe you need both maybe it's enough item so if you look at the original lotion of the rash three times he says the rav says it more than three times and he repeatedly stresses since you have to do it like it was done then you need tisha sheiman that mahavin it seems that more important than oinim is listeners because the rush and the rav do not mention even aniya now grada the suh because that's ideal if you hear a bronchial cma but the ms says the ik is the shamaya and i can prove it let's say i'm listening to your kiddish it seems clear that it's not enough to answer you have to listen and this is my first in the rav because the same rav begins the kfc those that learn during hazard yes league of him because they're not listening now the question what do you mean but they're answering i mean so it's very clear that even if you don't even if you answer a main you have to listen to hazard sunshine but tyrion i'll do much better than this imagine the following question which commandments will bring us to the clarity in this you have someone nebuch that's in the dab of anesthesia he's deaf he doesn't hear but he could talk could he be counted into the minion oh that's beautiful because he's answering because he knows when the barakas are being said and he knows which brock is being said so it's a legitimate amine but he's not listening so raise that pella on the mecha because that says you have to have nine sh listeners the tas if cotton bay says but neera she aim it out from the mini in other words a person that can't hear does not count it into the minion he says because he he's a pikayak right but oh this is beautiful mosaic but we see from the from the tas that if you don't have tisha shaymin ania doesn't help now the problem is i'm saying what's i should say in fact if you've got them see if cotton base says faker he could hear but he can't say i mean he is counted for us as muslim with because the ikky is the shemeya however there is a problem i must mention because quoting the marijuana symmetry if he does either one is good but if he doesn't do either the two he's a sheiter and is not counted into a minion this as the ali rabbit points out in kfc of dallas is the like it has because that is he doesn't count so i want to say i don't see the kash as being earth-shattering because the the the lastion of the shahana which that doesn't here is still the picaya the tile was only talking about maybe that's why it's worse so the mice we have to leave that for a different time the status of us now but one thing i would like to mention again it's so important to listen to khazers the going to the because that's the more important part of your trailer so we have to really follow the sack of treated as if that's my nest i saw an interesting question someone has a hearing aid one of the 10 has a hearing aid only his with the hearing aid is he counted into the minion so this we once discussed going to most sheet is a hearing aid is not considered a smear so maybe you're missing one of the teacher shaman good but then again let's be honest he's following along he's answering and worse comes to worst you could be saying the sheeter that even one dabbing is good but he's not dabbing he's listening so you could be matsar of all this plus you could be mitsaar if the sheet of the haziness and ravisha that hearing aid is a valid hearing so i think we could say if you could get a minion without a person with a hearing aid minion without a hearing aid person fine but it was about to be seymer to count him in question someone asked you have to have teacher shame in the entire descent of the shots right we don't listen to the shots i told them i'll use what we said earlier if you're saying saying is better than listening so by muay then we all become shots and if we have tisha we have asari it's like a sarah kaddish that's enough that also would relax those that are worried by hazard by her shots of yamuna people sing whatever they sing with the shots you don't hear the shots the answer is if you're saying it's as good as listening the big problem is a shot that is concerned that he might not have at the end of the day you might not have tisha or even the minimum so i want to first mention the turnout with says that if there is no listeners and it's on the ibrahimov it's the people that are not listening so that's a wake-up call people should be listening but let's say the shots is not sure if he's going to have tisha shaymin or in other words it's going to be a massive of potentially ikuva what does he do he doesn't want to do brahmatal okay it's not his fault but he doesn't want to do that so here we see a fascinating thing if you could solve the problem well south in other words if someone is talking so stop if someone is sleeping wake him up maybe blow schaefer that will certainly wake him up urish but let's say you can't do that and for some reason nothing's helping so mr brunson cotton schleimer absolutely goes back 200 years ago we said such a case to stay and make a mental tonight if i'll have tisha shah if i'll have teacher i'll be you it's our shots good keep it as it is if it will come out that um it's broken i don't want that let my hazardous sort of make it tonight to redirect your hazard shots into a phyllis nadov now what's the mile of that once in the dhava you can't go wrong but the but it sounds better than it really is first of all second of all imply that we avoid doing 200 we should have been regular correctly the first time but we try to avoid trios also the shakhinath is an adava is a regulator so it has to be how do you say it out loud also you're making a dominarity throughout when you can't duchen the cannon can do him and maybe someone in the thibaut by listening to the shot maybe he's he has a suffolk if he dive in already whatever the case is but you know you can't turn the shots into a simple nadava what i found beautiful in that in islamabad he says in his young years he used to do this ata but then he decided no since chrysol doesn't do the aiza i'm i don't know better than claudius throne whatever kaiser does is good for me and they point out the the the losses of islamic clogging the troops who was a godly going who says you asked me my minig i'm not different than any of the simplest people listen to a lotion of the s even the simplest person i'll have i should be from the simplest people if they're going to go in and writes that he was going to be different than claudia's robe that was absolutely okay so if you don't want to make the tana you could follow zachariah you saw that it's good with alta tonight the river sufframan bayes member says if possible of course it's very hard to you know to work this out but if possible someone let's say who did not yet damage my nasra either he was very late or he came back and there's a concern there's going to be a lack of tisha shaymin let him go straight and davon the shots at his nest the problem is the logistics he's going to change in the middle and people will be very embarrassed today he's taking over because he didn't he doesn't trust them and also ideally he's supposed to have a la hash not a hazard only what's interesting is that many playskim i'm talking about the peliods and era main the magni birmingham cotton aleph the venezuelan truman and others suggest a case where you're afraid you want to have teacher shaming make don't dab and regular shots rather make a hedusha now this obviously is a good answer because if you're only doing it can't be a broccoli but again this sounds better than it is first of all by this does not work and also the basic insemination on medal it says you must have hazardous and they were gazuru nidori to some of the dhabans with al khazar which is why many are very strongly opposed to the shaminic so how do you do it in this case or as the kenyan terrorist the end of simon zion says because people are not following aloha so you make another preacher i will say like someone told me he wants darwin all of a sudden i don't know him so people ask what are you doing so if you're good for lakewood it's good for me that's not true because that was the meaning of who saw in his yeshiva and that was the goddess of barbarians he didn't change his medic so his messiah was but if your messiah is the davin regular for there's a shots so so that's why this eights is not posh it but we did see guterlia poisoned the pillar and others that say if you're concerned let's say let's say with the minion and the chance of having a piece of shame is slim maybe maybe you could make a kadusa but again what we have to realize is the importance of hazardous and never compromise on its kayak the rights that is the most important part of albert's feeling and last but not least i hope which is simple this was all hazard when should the when could the hazan start kaddish after esther of so this we realize there is a much bigger cooler here like the rav and many many poison you don't have to wait for tisha simon there's no bra it's just a din of minion so if someone wants to do things correctly it would be kadai to wait for at least eight why eight finishes and the ninth one counts because t-shirt we saw you could be making shots if it's a real shasta i want to say you could even start with five people davening finishing and listening and the shots is six because then we'll follow on two coolest you don't need teisha showing him you just have to have a minion and rubakakula we saw that cheetah of the marie ben khabib now of course that's not ideal because the bhagavaram strongly contested that but at least we understand that kaddish for after after maya if you could start with eight people finished and one davening i'll leave that to you even if roy five people finish with the shots is six but again to point out the minion with tsum tsum should not should be avoided but by myriv there's more of a leniency and someone wants to divide too many adam to my river so it's not as bad as tumiyan fascists ideally should have a comfortable minion but this is basically the assailants so the hazard we learned today hashem all agree we can overestimate this because those shots is so important it's the main part of our lachash as the kavakayam says ideally should have nine simon and oynin and each person should imagine he is number nine also it's true in the morning when people are running to work tirket is a valid factor and we have to juggle the two so let's say the following you should have tisha shaymin anything less is carvalho but if it is at hack and one is still dabbing you could start with eight plus the shots and it's hard they make beyond one person davening for my rib there's more of a satin makeup up to five people that finished davening with the shots then you could start kaddish but you need nine or minimally eight if one is asleep it's a more serious shyla try to wake him up if someone's talking definitely stop him from talking the painful question if if there's not even a rave people that are listening that is the brachal of atone that that has to be remedied the rub that finishes early the the shots should wait for a t-shirt shaymin my marriage is more of a tattoo makeover if you're dabbing mila miller with the shots that counts you don't need 10 people you need nine plus two shots it's not enough onion you need shamim a hearing aid person does count if there's no t-shirt shinem we have eights none of them are really good tana or saying shmaynes for the first time the best thing is to appreciate and share and it'll be done properly i couldn't talk to you all