Davening outside - when is it permitted? Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner on Parshas Chayei Sarah

Inshacious there are three mitzvah as opposed to have many more. The three mitzvah in the mitzvah and paras in mitzvah and paras the mitzvah and girha. However, besides the three mitzvah, many other places throughout learn from the for an example in this week's par of the Goran makes a dr when you make a you need an you have to hold something an item of a mitzvah. In today's shir, we're going to discuss what what the the speak about from this week's para, which is actually to elaborate It's autahand the one who dins in a valley. What's the problem to dav in a valley? So Rashi explains when a person's in a secluded area, a place that's closed, he has the fear of the king. He has a broken heart. In other words, a person can dav when he's in enclosed area as opposed to if a person diamonds in the valley which means in an open area. So the garra says which is actually brought on that a person is not supposed to d out in the open. Obviously we're gonna explain what we or when but a person should not have in the open and the reason is because a person can't be mav properly inside you can be you have melik and you fear from the mel as well as also you more have a broken heart to be better properly by dvening to asks right there on that gora asks from this week's para this week's para So it says went outside explains in the field. So Tyus asks the Pik says clearly that outside went that's when he was went and ded outside. So how could the garra say that if you're ding outside it's autbah outside says two the first ty says you want to know where went outside went outside the place where he went to d was what' he say >> it says basada mean he was a shul if it basically means outside says basada means haramaria he went to davin on haram maria that's the first terret what's the mila that he went to haramaria if haramaria is outside so it's still a problem what's the milo what's the adifas that it was haramaria there are three explanations and the three explanations make anina the first explanation the bach understands in tis that the mile of haria was that there were walls around it. I don't know who put the walls up at that point, but the milo was there were walls and this that the gammorra says it's a outdoor since the haria had walls around it. So it was no longer outdoor outdoors. So, so far we have that outdoors ever anywhere and ded outside was talking about Maria which Maria was technically indoors there were walls that's the first explanation in the first of Tis what Yeitzk did when he went bas in the field the second shot is the lavush the lavush right here in hastilla on The lavush says that since let me just say I'll please take your question. The lush says that Maria was different for because on Maria he was nearly um nif over there. It was nearly nishkat on. So for even though it was out in the open when he went up on haram Maria it brought back that am of and therefore even though you're not supposed to d outside but for yeets it's different. In other words it's not anybody that damaria could d in the open. Yitzk had exclusive on diamonding outside of the haria because Yitzk had Amos Melik on the haria just to bring out to illustrate this idea the says that if somebody p has a place somebody was let's say in a a very an accident he was almost nif and when he passes it he's over here. He was saved. His life was saved. But he could also dive in outside. It's the same idea of what Yitzk was able to dive in in the Haria even though it was out in the open. It's autah because not to d in the open. It's a problem because you can't be but over here you could be >> we'll get to the in a minute but if the is bringing out what's about the if the will be considered open so far you shouldn't be able to d it's considered you're ding in the open. Why the first terret says is that these walls around if the kisel doesn't have walls it happens to be it has the wall it has walls even the outdoor one has walls but even if it doesn't have if it does not have walls the first terret haria was because these walls and the second ter is because so if the would not have walls you wouldn't be able to you should you should not be able to d outside the outside part >> person's oh so this is the third shot in Haria. But before the third shot, I just want you what was your question? >> So the point that you're saying about the no roof, we'll get to it soon. around the heart >> saying Trump builds a wall anywhereious. >> So these two points Yity I understand what he's saying. Yity is saying that this idea that if you have walls around what's a huge property could you also the point about no roof that we'll get to soon. Let's get to that soon. But about the very big property, you're saying that it's it's like you're diving in the open. You're saying if there's going to be a wall around America, could you d anywhere outside? I hear that's because of these walls. You're saying you don't have the idea of being able to be Lee by >> Dishbar. >> I don't know. I don't know. this point the point without the roof will get to sue but the point how big the walls could be I don't know I didn't see anyone giving a shear and you have a point if it's it's a very wall bag a huge property how much lee nishbra could you have it's almost like these no wall it's a good it's a good uh point the third shot in tis's first terret is that what's the mile of haria not particularly for ye because he had araid but rather like you mentioned that's the place was born. That's the place where no brought carbon. That's the place we are made. That's where wasab and the the Yehuda the he's the one who says this terret and he says that the hardap and therefore so a person has the so even though the har is open still a person kavan over there on the haram Maria even though it's open because you don't have the problem of diving in an open area because you have this melis that you the reason why was able to even though it's outdoors is because there's a general come out even the I don't know if you have exactly but also the so even if it would be an open area without walls you should you would still be able to dive in there and the truth is the he brings this terret that the mil is because it's a mock it's a mock where brought carbonas he says the same idea should be by by the as well >> I would think it's a good I didn't see anyone speaking in this case, but I would think based on the other terret that we saw like the says that was able to dive in the open on Maria because it was a place that was and therefore he says so it doesn't have to be any place that could be should come out. Good point. Like Awitz, if a person goes there should be even in the open also based on the same terrors of Haramaria, they should be able to diamond there. >> These are Yes. Can you reconcile this with going out in nature meaning in the presence of Hashem and experiencing the great >> Usha is asking very well these for sure an Indian of going out into the the Floy and a person those that go for his went shabas he went in the outside he went outside I think this is all along the lines of what you're asking so it's the pan bring the beta says that this of ding outside that you're not allow outside that's only there's a certain that when you supposed to have but when you go out and you look it's a different type of call it a when you go in and you see you see our amazing bria it's different than being form so this den that we're discussing now today is particularly formas is where you're supposed to da inside which means even shakas if you let's say you want to d I'm not saying but I'm saying an idea if you want to duk zimra here in 18 for on the bench by the trees you could think you could be so that's not where said when it comes to that's where is indoors >> you think the guys like all these people like the Grand >> Let's Let's see. There's a lot of There's a few denim that we have to get to and even Tyus has another terret. So, let's see over here. We We saw Thip shot in Typhus's first terret. Tyus says Haram Maria. Either Haram Maria had walls. Haria had walls. Maybe the Grand Canyon also is considered has walls like we spoke before. How big are the walls? We'll see after everything if it covers that. One is that Haria has walls. The second terret is in second explanation on har is that in particular had a mile because he had the aim over there of the kafas and who mentioned mentioned you mentioned about if a person goes to the place let's say awitz a person's in this over there different that's the second ter and the third terret is for anybody that the haramaria in particular is a place where Melik even if it would be open these another terret on the of which is really a new terret but I'm just bringing it over here in between the first and second terret of because it's like the first terret when it says that went to it's talking about the zy says this it's which means in the beginning of the par that's where he went to davin I don't know if he went inside the and therefore it's inside but he went that's the heaven would be maybe along the lines of it's a mock where these persons but that's the terret that he went to >> right I hear I hear you're saying if it wasn't that's for itself. That's the first invas. The second ter says what's the problem of bixa of a valley. The problem is not domining outdoor. The problem is domining outdoor in a busy place. If you do in the market or somewhere where people and people are passing by. So you can't concentrate by you can't you can't focus on ding but that's where the garra says one should not daven outdoors one could davin outdoors but not outdoors in a place where people are passing by and it disturbs ding. So what's what happened withinitz in a place like the even No one ever stepped there. But the idea was is that ded in a place that there was no one no one there or at least it wasn't a busy place of people passing by. So maybe was able to d even though it was outside. That's the second terret. That's a good if you're right is pointing out what's if it's inside and it's busy. I wanted to bring it up soon but I'll bring it up already right now. Let's say over here we have minan between 18 and 18 tent which is outside. It's outside maybe outside. We're going to see soon. We'll get there's a few more that might make it much simpler to dander. We're going to see it could be it's not considered outside if you don't need four walls. Some say one wall is enough. So you have a wall. So I had the same question once it's considered with one wall inside. But there's still a problem. It's people pass through and is pointing out a good idea a good point also by a wedding. If you're ding and it's busy person wants a ding on an airplane, it's indoors. But in most cases it's the biggest for some reason wherever you make that minion people have to pass through to get to the kitchen to go to the bathroom. I'm not saying if you should you shouldn't I'm just bringing up what was saying that disturbs would be a comes out of a problem but at least outdoor indoors it's a good because the gamarra says a valley maybe the gumar just said a valley because that's a place where people pass by but even indoors also anywhere to make a a minion in the hallway you have a meeting inside you you want to make a minion you step out you make a minion in the hallway people pass with even it's a good shed off this you said didn't because inside I could hear >> you asking that sometimes a person could be even outdoors. That's the bottom line you're asking. indoors outdoors he's asking you know you know this guy talks to them >> you're asking like this you're asking that I'll show you that there are place times that somebody could be outdoor and it could be unbelievable makavan whether if it's the first terret and ty even open is a problem or even for shave person sometimes could dav when he's dinging it doesn't make a difference people could walk by it's a good sha And for that it's a good child of Yuda. that I want to share with you asks on the second terret of tus asks why is it avah for somebody to d it's autah for somebody doesn't understand tus the second maybe you shouldn't do it because you're not going to be able to have proper kavana what's the so the answers this question and the says you know why it's autbah it's more like a ga you show that you could even though people are passing by. So I think that's the answer to your question. You're asking sometimes you'll have a person you said he's by a game or he's somewhere and he and he could be the is that he's not what's the is I could handle it. I could d even though there's a lot going on. That's what the mo of says that's the second of >> tusk with him even though he can concentrate they probably can't >> if if what say >> nine other people with them they can't >> Mort's bringing up of nine other people we'll get to that in a minute I want to first say to him we'll speak about a minion also let's one thing at a time and we'll get back to it >> point is I'm so bothered that I can't tr >> I hear I hear what you're saying. The third terret we saw two. The third terret the says the says Rashi says what's means why doesn't it say he went out to d why does it say so the says branches when went out to dav he went out doesn't say in the woods but he went out he was surrounded by trees and therefore the whole problem what garra says not to dav in the outside is the outside. But if you're surrounded by trees, that's as if inside that's the third terrace. So now we're going to go through a few denim that come out in this den of noting outside. First of all, we mentioned already before that this of noting outside is only for as we mentioned before people go out into the woods went out these different You can find other cases where you ding outside that's not such a good example because that's you have to be outside but many different times where you ding outside but that as well the den not the ding outside is particularly another dish of says the is the bach says that dvening outside is only if there's no walls if you have one wall it's enough you don't [snorts] have to have four walls one wall is enough which therefore I would think davening over here between 18 house and the tent in the summer when there's overflow of mñan and people ding outside if you're diving on the side the technically these gates and these walls also but here should be better in a way because there's a wall even one wall is enough we mentioned before could be there's a different problem these are different completely that you're not allow to pass somebody that's but in that of not doing in the outside you would have this mile of on wall. >> It doesn't say I'm almost sure it doesn't say that you have to dive in towards the wall. As long as he's one wall, it already makes it a little bit closed in. He's saying what's if it's the back wall, you don't even feel it. >> See if I have it. >> I'm looking it up actually. Right, Morty? He says, "If you have a wall in front of you, If there's no three walls around you, it's enough. So it has to particularly be the front wall. So you're right. What happens if you're not mamish by the wall and somebody passes by? That's the shash from disturbing does that take away the mile of this one wall. But you're right, it has to be the wall after the front wall. So you have to have you have to d indoors. The Mishna Brer brings the shuva that even though you have to be indoors as long as these say it's enough even without a roof and it brings aim the factories the factories they used to d in the outdoors let's say in the summer for six months it almost doesn't rain they used to d outdoors how did they d outdoors he says since it was mukas even though there was no roof it's enough and therefore by the kisel even to Davin there is no milo of davining inside the kisel the inside part that has a roof because the outside part also has four walls has four walls the front is the kisel the side is the snash the other side is where you go inside and the back there's a proper wall the whole of the kisel so it's so far back I mean that's a it's a big room so even that's a good things. He's definitely somewhat of mashim. So that's as we spoke I guess it depends where you stand or what time you're there but it's he's so that's something that if anybody even has a mock on that if he's indoors which you pointed out by would come out you have the problem. However, even though we see that open open ceiling is still considered indoors, the mission brings the zoyer. The zoyer says that you should d in a bias in a houseka. This is the mission of infy brings about without a roof. I'm not sure if you da with a roof or he means bias as opposed to outside. The za says you should d in a house. What's if you're in a house without a roof is that also but that's what we have so far the one wall is enough and even if there's no roofs it's still considered indoor the brings from the from the that this whole den is only if you dingus if you ding bin you could dav outside this is very important Sometimes you make a minion, you're on a road trip or something, you make a minion. If you make a minion, you could have an outside. Again, we're not clear what's even. But when there's a minion, you could dive an outside. This asks from there's no minion over there. And therefore, it's a question we dive outside. But if there's a minion, you could dive it outside. Oh, see is not a very good case. It was open without a roof, but it was surrounded by walls, but it was a huge area. So, what's the status over there? >> Could be you have the mil that this which we saw one of the tis is that if you're at a place where okay, that's a a good shumm just to before being masakum. One final pointer this whole den that the garra brings which we said is brought in the raam the riff and the raam don't bring and the mad yumpt which is the mad yumpt on the rash asks why don't they bring this it's not brought in the the riff and the raom don't bring this and the rash asks this question and the rash says because really it is a different gamorra how the rash says is contradicting it's a steer to this gamarra which means doesn't hold of this gamarra the gumar in the beginning of the gamarra says there was an amra there that was on the way and he went into >> and he was very good very good you holding there already >> yeah it's >> what does the gmorrah say the garra says very good the garra says that elo said you msakin you may put yourself in danger by going intova you shouldn't have done it. The says you learn three things you don't go to not to go into. So what what comes out of one of the on the go on the on the way says that is not like our gam and since therefore the raom and the rift don't bring the outside again the brings so just to be makum the terutim first we makum just to either it's haram and we have we have many shot them what the mile of haramaria is. there's no these um the mil of if there's no der that's [snorts] why was able to d outside or because there was trees the terrets we saw the terret the z says he and then howash says another terret but I'm sorry I left that says so what is yep shot in the garra I'm sorry not that he says it's a ste we don't pass like this gamarra theash says bixa doesn't mean a valley bixa means a small house. You're not allowed to dive in in a small house. If it's very small, maybe a tiny hawk, you're not allowed to dive in over there. That's what says. So that's another terretz was able to dive in outside because it was bixa means a small house you ding outside. So just to be the you're not allowed to dive in outside. One should not dive in when it's over. If it's if people are not passing by, you could dive in there. A place of even outside you could dav a p a place where it's even if it's outside you dering is only anything that's not you could have an outside you could have an outside and then we see now another terret which is not really that you could always dive an outside as long as it's uh as long as It's not inside in a small house which the rash explains like that the riff and the but the dinner is not the d outside. Have a good >> chabas.