Davening at Meoras Hamachpeila - Halachic Considerations and Concerns Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

this week's para in the beginning of the par we seeu put in big effort in buying the mar I would like to focus today's Shear on a minig in Claus that we find already in the time of kazal and it became very popular B Manu and to go through a little bit the m understanding if they may even be a sh of doing so is going to going to and in particular finding going to be by we'll begin with the gor the gor says it's speaking about theum when the mum went bam in the South they came up into they came from the midb they came the south of and then it says right in the so the says they went up they came into in the South and then it says and he came to so be they came to so the gor says that was from the rest of of and he went he went to he went to go be by he went to to go why you go to he was MP he he spoke to the office he was mpal he asked him ask that I should be saved not to not to be caught into as we're going now to be the we going other makus that you find going to not as much in what thear says that K spoke to the and asked the to be mpal says [Music] clearly help me out over here to ask R the medish the medish in in um the when the came went to got invol and he went he went to the office there it doesn't say that told asked office to be you went to office you went to we actually we actually say it in in went said that he asked them to be went to we also find it in before the went to the office Med get involved over we need your help so you find going to in general going to that also has a ready Theus we've learned over here in the past in the morning K the gar says if it comes to a point that there's no rain so you make a Tinus and the gar says when there's a Tinus you go toar one reason to go is that it should be so you go to doesn't say going toing about parents over there or just it says it just says it doesn't say to go go to the reason why R was buried on oh very goodal that's another another it's aash brings it that said you're going to wonder why was on the 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the MS is is and this is going to be the focus now for come out the remainder of this year and it's important we have over here a few blocks away theit very common people go yes make a trip to mon they stop also use but they go they go to the you go this is this is where we're getting to to ask the mace to help you brings it everybody brings this it's not like real is asking Ace to answer you questions with this is you're asking the base to help you out it's sadic issue I don't know if it's Mar or it goes into theak maybe theak of the LA I don't know if the I mean if you go you mean because people see what say asking so we'll get to that in a minute also so first first so these multiple of and it's important to understand for the next time somebody goes to a Cav had a d by the Cav let's see we're going to go through a different Ro it's not complicated again the m to go is M and that's clear how you must follow over there what about the famous stories of ding that they made deals with one another that whoever's first will come back and I don't know they alive yeah that makes it waiting for the person to die and once you die you're going come answer me so what they did when they were alive the whole thing is depending on one being you're asking a different sh of a person asking another person after his n could afterwards it's a good maybe today she is not is not a today is about we're focusing about being does that go into so the first terit given by many is that that when you go toik it has nothing to do with being to the sad it has to do that because that sad is buried there it's aades and you're going to a kades brings this himself you could go to he says of course he say what the says that went you could go says the says in par last week's after says went back and he went to the place earlier when he was not to turn over s why do you go back over there what it's finished s was done what's he going back so say he went there to be why did he go over there the ter is cu he already daved over there earlier and he spoke to so it's AES it has more when you go toades you find this concept in if a person still you should go D in the you're in a place is's only a 7:00 minion you missed a 7:00 minion it's 8:00 now rather go be and than doming in your house why this this is you go to is cover it's AES says you should should in the same place that you you made that place now you're saying that's awesome because good point have that it's you have the over there also the as well says when he speaks about going toik he says that's the Mila the shil however is is that if the gor that we started with the gar says went and he was spoke to the Mason what exactly I mean the says didn't just go because it's AES and he spoke to the so for this brings it they say that is if when you ask the mace to help you out however if you die that you're allowed to do let's just understand you go to the so it's not just you're going there because it's a being please help me in that you could do not just you're going when you're you're including please help me how that oh very good it's still it's still says that he asked he asked so the is and he goes through this and he learns in the he says to ask the to help you that that's here what you you're doing is is you're asking thead to help you out to go be you're asking thead that he should go and be like the that asked the office to go that you could do so so let's just so far we have very clear step number one is if you go toik the m is that it's AES clearly that already you see in the another concept you to help then you see a third step which P you see that's what K did when he went to the mar he asked meaning to says you can ask theim to be for you theik has a Tru as well also and it's interesting he brings both he says he must and also you ask the not that the should help you but the should go you can't he's no no one else you ask the to go more we mentioned at the beginning that the Z says the m m and the himself already asked how could you go to that's already before the and he gives two one he says is that when you go to then he says another ter what you find that people go toik what's his parents I'm sure his father's a nice guy but father consider to that Lev it's a good question you're asking what's if somebody's not a somebody wants to go to his parents cave he has a T he goes to his father's Cav it's an interesting question and the EM is the only has two he says so is that another TS another T says that these are fundamental difference between when a when a go to to Graves when they go to C this is if person goes to any cave his father's cave or whatever cave a person goes to when a go goes he's going whether he's going for he's going to connect with the CL goes the is they go chus person's going to that's not that's not included this that it says you're connecting to like says to get answers from the so even if a person goes and not it's connecting to the regardless of a c person goes person goes even person go say parents C person go and this is this is the we're speaking about we spoke about in today's she is about the the sources of going to going to to the the how you supposed to D when we said you're not ding you're clearly not ding that the sadic should help you you being either number one is when you go it's a number two and number three you're asking thead or even any nift you're asking that to please be that should help that's even go yeah the that maying brings that mus also going to actually is that they're bringing in the next there's one other sh that's the same thing also going good so that's about going to it's not shever is is that a person clearly a person's not you only allow to it's one of the [Applause] not supposed to D to anybody else so what happened over we just said that you go and to the you're only supposed to the it's a I don't remember if we ever spoke about it over here but we say we're asking the to take our that's a big sh to take the it's a very big remember now I think didn't say it I'm not saying not to say I'm saying it's a very big the you gave you just you're asking to help you that but the last we said is the ask sadic to help for not putting any no no no that's that's called speaking that's that's where the whole came about they started ding to the Stars cuz the Stars to speak to hasem even if you put no of helping in them you thinking it's a problem you're clearly asking ask to take our so you're asking that to go that's you're kind of I thought the problem doesn't he I need you m something get me VIP access here you're saying besides from me ding you also d so asking you're asking the that's that's this talk has the the teror given is is that theat is just like you find Rashi says that M know what's going on and they have this also the says is that being what's going on sure exactly really is technically yes asking so you're saying that's not called you have to understand means you're asking you're not ding directly to you're asking somebody else on brings what you were mentioning about even going to also what do mean you go to to help the ter is that's he says you you go to your problem he has the if he has the he's that's the not the is you're asking you're asking thead to help you're not supposed to ask anybody besides the to help out lastly one more so we spoke about not ding through lastly there a long about this also lastly asked when you go to you talk you know you're not supposed to go with tal and a can't do any Morez how could you go so the emis is is that this this is in the chuva as well also to go to the first first ter the simple ter is that it's not M on the Cav it's already the building on top of the Cav any any of the that you go that would n before M it's not ly Rush Lo Rush is only if they got the mitz before M the before it's not so but you GNA say let's say so could there also the is if the minion is on top the also on the bottom you find them all you go by so for that he says that if you do it then it's not you're going to the C and you make a minion and these daving and these T you're doing it that's not if a person goes to a c and sit as a hanging out it's the the person's not alive can't beah anymore but if you go you go to the C you take your you're putting on doing it that's very delicate balance because you have to do it but you have to also be careful about going you're doing you have to also not correct correct correct he's saying very good it's but it's you're not ding to the mace you're ding to by the C you're coming it's because you're coming here just to conclude just to conclude I want to share sh he brings a rambam the rambam says speaks so he says the is he speak I'm just taking out one piece you could see it inside he says you shouldn't be like the people that that's their is going from to C we see clearly to go to but it shouldn't be the every day all day from this cave to that cave it's you go you travel you go to but it should be this is the only thing he says a person shouldn't be busy this is what his is this is his business but one thing is yeah of going to but a person should know also the you know makes a doggish on this is that you could connect more to the sadic and accomplish by learning the t is this is also a person learns learns now thees even if he doesn't make the trip doesn't go to different learn the you have that accomplishment as well have a wonderful day