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SIMHA Event 11/21/23 - Full Coverage
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good evening everybody and thank you for
coming out in the rain the day before
thanksgiving's travel and all all the
stuff that went with it there's a fire
and all the craziness that's going on in
Brooklyn tonight
um so I want to thank again I want to
thank you all for coming here's our host
and
Hostess uh idb Bank sponsored the
evening so thank you to
them
so tonight the the topic and subject
we're going to be on is is anxiety
stress and what's going on in the world
and you don't need me to tell you that
what's going on is horrific what's going
on is beyond
difficult
um I've never experienced anything like
this in my life and um the the amount of
uncertainty is incredible and I I think
like anxiety and uncertainty really go
well together or get locked together
because we live in a world today where
certainty is like where we want to be
when I grew up how long it took to get
from Manhattan to Brooklyn is how long
it took no one knew it was 57 minutes or
32 minutes or 87 minutes and when is it
going to stop raining in 17 minutes and
and we get conditioned to be certain
about what's going to happen in the next
hour and we realize with the events that
happened how ridiculous that is because
we know that it's really not certain we
know that what happened on October 7th
through everyone for a loop Beyond The
Loop threw everyone into turmoil took
everyone's life and turned it upside
down as we know it and that
uncertainty of what happened to our
people what happened to these hostages
talk about uncertainty their families
themselves the anxiety the stress the
pain and suffering that they're going
through is beyond my
imagination um and at Sim we said you
know we have to do something about it to
bring together our community so they
could understand
that with all the stress and anxiety
that we're going through that there's a
way out or there's a way to manage it no
one could say it's okay honey it's
perfect don't worry you have nothing to
worry about when my daughters came to me
and said I'm nervous I'm worried you
know when they've said it over the years
my answer is always ah don't worry
everything's fine well everything's not
fine and it's a ridiculous position to
say you have nothing to worry about I
don't like the word worry I like to say
there's nothing to be concerned about
and there is something to be concerned
about but we could be active we could be
proactive and I've seen really a Jewish
population that has done something
incredible over the last 6 weeks we've
ban together we've United like we never
have before we've supported Israel
Beyond financially we've I've worked
with so many people that stood up and
really came together and and and and
performed at levels that I've never
experienced in my
life um tonight we we we we brought two
doctors in and and our own very doctor
Dr Mandel Bam mandal Bam and um they're
going to speak to you about anxiety
mindfulness and how to deal with it so
um with no further Ado first I'm going
to introduce Dr mandle bound would you
please come up and uh he's going to
address us and he's from SIM he's on
he's running s he's our Clinical
Director and we're very fortunate to
have him he has a fabulous sense of
humor I've laughed at exactly 10% of his
jokes um but the last one I laughed at
so he's on a roll so I'd like to invite
him up with no further Ado Dr
[Applause]
[Music]
M thank you
Mark I hope to up that uh
percentage not tonight though so no
pressure um first I want to just say um
how proud and fortunate I am to be a
part of this great organization of Sima
um I just want to publicly thank uh Mark
as me along with iy towel Cynthia Casten
um Michael
Paul um we're missing Nathan Hoffman and
Rabbi Sutton um who are you know the the
board members of simab which is really
uh amazing and Aug graia I'm sorry last
but not least of course um and you know
I think it's amazing to have this
organization that really can identify
the needs of the community especially in
such trying times um as Mark said we are
going through something now that we
never have gone through before I I don't
recall having this experience I guess
9/11 is the last thing I remember where
there was so much fear and anxiety um
now I'm a bit older so it's a little
different and seeing at simha where we
work with the community to identify the
mental health needs and to address those
needs by making referrals and connecting
people with people who can work with
people's uh mental health issues um
we're seeing that people who have
previously struggled with anxiety
depression or whatever the mental health
issue they have those issues have been
exacerbated that's just the reality Co
really increased a lot of the issues of
Mental Health issues that were prevalent
and what happened in October 7th
particularly for the Jewish Community um
there's been a dramatic increase as well
and as Mark said there's so many
different efforts have been made um and
we as simow also want to you know share
what we can provide for the community so
what we do as I said we connect
community members with mental health
providers um the way we do that is by
connecting with you so we are the first
place you come we meet with you we get
to know you we get to understand you we
have an appreciation for the community
and through partnering with us we will
hopefully get you to the treatment that
everybody deserves and everybody needs
again during this very difficult time um
if you look to your handy brochure um
that should be on your seat you will see
that there are two QR codes one is to
join a support group and the other is to
join a mon minute WhatsApp chat so in
addition to the mental health referrals
that we provide and that you can um
always call us we're always available to
uh meet with with you to make those
assessments to provide those referrals
in addition to that we also are offering
now a support group that you can sign up
with with your phone through the QR code
as well as a mindfulness minute chat
WhatsApp chat where um you will be able
to get a mindfulness tip um I guess a
daily mindist tip so anyone who's
interested I would encourage you to to
join those things um you know one of the
things that we talk about with anxiety
and and fear and uncertainty is the the
need to connect with people and I think
that is so important and I'm so glad
everyone who's here tonight because when
we're struggling we need connection we
need connection most and so whether it's
with people in the community whether
it's um with with an organization like
simha I would just encourage everybody
to stay connected don't move away move
towards each other the more we are
connected one another I think the Sher
we are um I'm now going to introduce Dr
rosarin um David rasman PhD is the
author of thriving with anxiety nine
tools to make anxiety work for you he is
an associate professor at Harvard
Medical School a program director at
McLean Hospital and founder of cender
anxiety which provides services to over
1,000 patients in multiple States Dr
rurn is an international expert on
spirituality and mental health whose
work has been featured in Scientific
American the Boston Globe The Wall
Street Journal of the New York
Times Dr
Dr
[Applause]
hi everyone thanks for coming I have a
copy of my book here I'm going to give
it out to the person who ask the best
question wow is that going to make you
anxious
okay um s is a wonderful wonderful
organization and it's a big honor to um
be here you want me to tilt it down cuz
it's in my face and you can't see it got
it I need your help
I got you thanks CU this makes me
anxious testing testing one two three
there we go okay um I want to level set
so I'm here to speak about anxiety I
have an office called Center for anxiety
we treat a thousand patients a
year I've been working in Harvard
Medical School doing research on anxiety
and other things for 15 years and I will
tell you that I'm not going to give you
a single strategy to Come Away with less
anxiety tonight if you are looking to
become less anxious then enjoy the sushi
have a drink maybe the other speaker
will be able to help you out but I am
not your address okay for the next
however long I'm speaking you're not
going to get a single strategy no tools
no nothing to be able to decrease your
anxiety so I I see somebody in the back
going like what is this like who what
what was this person brought here for
why is he here and why am am I here and
that's a really great question and the
answer is that I have a better a better
strategy than getting rid of your
anxiety I have something that's better
than any anti-anxiety medication any
better than any anti-anxiety
approach better than any potion any
bomb anything that you can see which
will get rid of your anxiety in fact I
am so confident in this I actually named
my Clinic Center for anxiety and people
said my colleagues were like Center for
Anxiety Relief Center for anxiety
reduction Center for you know
anti-anxiety and no it is centerfor
anxiety.org because we got that
URL if I'm being honest but um but
that's actually the message and at the
core of what we do is actually to help
people to use their anxiety to
Thrive this is a tool it is an aspect of
every human being let me show of hands
who here in the last month has had no
anxiety not a single you we raising your
hand we have to talk we have to
talk has who hasn't there's there's only
two types of people who don't have any
anxiety okay dead
people if you're dead you don't have
anxiety and people who are so
narcissistic that you probably don't
want to have a conversation with them if
you're a psychopath you have no anxiety
like you don't care at all about
anything coldhearted murderer okay those
are the two you're either dead or
killing people everybody else is in the
same
group I think by the way is this moving
it's like totally making me nervous no
it's actually straight okay good but I'm
in the C I have anxiety too as I'm
showing you right now
um now there are levels of anxiety
granted yes there are levels of anxiety
in fact I think all people with mental
health concerns fall into four groups
four groups and we go in and out of
these different groups over the course
of a lifetime but essentially the same
tools the same strategies can be used
irrespective of which group you
currently fall into you want to know
what the four groups are great group
number one are people who are
flourishing flourishing they're doing
great business is great relationships
are great they're looking good they're
feeling awesome and that is the group I
am the most concerned
about Bar
None Bar None those are the hardest
cases the hardest situations to deal
with usually their families are
struggling their kids are a mess I the
the kids of people who are flourishing
oh my God watch out for them right the
worst cases I've ever seen have are the
best looking best educated um from the
wealthiest families whose parents have
no problems like God help you if you're
from that kind of
situation and never so nevertheless
people who are flourishing still have a
little bit of anxiety but typically what
they do is they skirt around it they
don't face it they don't pay attention
to it they focus on their business they
focus on their car they focus on
whatever is going well in their life as
opposed to the actual feelings that are
sometimes creeping up at night
time maybe during the daytime maybe when
they're having a difficult conversation
and they just skirt around it and
everything's great those people
definitely need to learn how to use
their anxiety
better I'll get to the current crisis I
told you I would and I will this current
crisis is how is I think the worst for
people who are flourishing because all
of a sudden all of a sudden they're
consumed with lots of anxiety that they
have had no experience actually dealing
with because they're used to just moving
around it not having conversations about
the
matter I saw this in my clinic at the
beginning of Co it was an amazing thing
and we're actually publishing a paper on
it it's under second round of review I
hope to see it in press soon but I will
tell you a preview of Coming Attractions
what's going to be and hopefully we're
going to do a media blitz on it cuz the
findings are unbelievable you're not
this is going to knock your stocks
off patients who had anxiety in January
February and the beginning of March of
2020 and they came into my office and
they started to get
treatment when Co hit the shores of the
United States and started to ravage our
communities and we started lockdown and
we didn't know and all the craziness
that we went through those people who
were in treatment
beforehand did
fine they were fine we did not see an
uptick in their anxiety at the end of
March now the people who were totally
fine beforehand never had any anxiety
never dealt or I should say never were
in touch with their anxiety because we
all had some of it never dealt with it
in any way never had conversations about
it they were the ones who emotions fell
off a cliff at the end of March 2020 and
continued to decline throughout they
they yes with treatment all groups got
better we did find that which is
optimistic but nevertheless it's that
flourishing Group which is I think the
hardest one group number two people who
are languishing
languishing Adam Grant is a famous
psychologist at University of
Pennsylvania he put it this way people
are feeling me they're like eh ambling
along they're not like super distressed
but they're not flourishing
either this to me is actually a sweet
spot and if you are languishing today
consider yourself blessed this is about
the best you could be as you know
especially in the Jewish community in
this period of History right now in you
know November December 2023 after what
we've been through I would say
languishing is probably the best place
to be right now because you're aware
that something's a little bit off you're
off kilter maybe speaking to some people
about it maybe trying to find some ways
to thrive but it's not out of control
it's not something that's you know you
know really
uh really getting to people so
languishing to me in some ways is not a
bad place to be ironically then we have
groups three and four who are distressed
and severely
distressed I'll talk about them together
basically these groups are people who
have significant distress or impairment
they are clinically diagnosable if you
will but there's no real difference you
know there's no lab test for anxiety you
cannot say this person has an anxiety
disorder and this one doesn't
interestingly um but there's a there's a
clinical line there's a cut off where we
say you know what this person could
really use professional help this is
where s comes in and really helps
individuals to get to the right
therapist to get to um some initial
support some brand some some bridging to
be able to decrease stigma so people can
get help and severely distressed are
people who need a lot of support you
cannot if you cannot function day-to-day
you can't do go to work you have to go
to a you know residential facility a
hospital these kinds of things that
would be severely distressed those are
the groups now people often ask me when
I talk about thriving with anxiety and
using anxiety to help you I'm really
speaking about just groups one and two
right and I'm not I'm not and I have
seen people with my own eyes and worked
with people who have distress or severe
distress and by actually using anxiety
they become more resilient they become
stronger they develop better
relationships they even grow
spiritually and they move into a place
where they are stronger having gone
through anxiety than had had never been
affected in the first place they become
inoculated against it because they know
how to use it in a constructive
manner so I'm not going to lie to you
I'm not going to say that you can get
rid of your anxiety
sorry I'm going to do something better
and show you how to use it and I want to
give a little bit of historical context
first we need to level
set in the United States of America in
2023 we live a really really really
great life it's a great
life throughout the world it's a great
life yeah we complain about climate
change and the economy
and governments and but at the end of
the day like here who does who in this
room does not have one of
these does anyone not have a smartphone
in the entire room okay this can pretty
much put you in Mars it's incredible
what you can do with this thing you can
contact people around the the globe in
10 seconds completely for
free WhatsApp or whatever you can get
information wherever you need it
whenever you need it all those
predictions even though they're always
wrong which is a good point from before
you were
saying is there anybody in this room who
does not have access to Medical Care who
here in the last 12 months has not seen
a licensed a licensed physician at
all what about a dentist okay so that
might be a little bit tricky but like
having access to a dentist who here does
not live within a 2 mile radius of death
stre it's amazing who here you know we
we travel on can't levered surfaces a a
road that has an angle to it which is
precise in order for water to be able to
run off you know we complain that there
is a big fire and and yes it's you know
there was an accident it's a terrible
thing at the same time like emergency
responders are there taking care of it
yes blocking the way and not a lot you
know we might have affected the number
of people who came tonight but but like
at the end of the day these are
incredible things like if you used to
have a fire in the middle of a city 100
years ago that was 15,000 lives and six
billion the equivalent of today of6
billion dollars of damage if you look at
the 20th century World War I World War
II in the United States Korea Vietnam
the Cold
War you know I wasn't around for most of
that but like the Cuban Missile Crisis
literally the whole world is almost
blown to to smithin I mean these are
massive colossal crisis and if you look
at if you look at Israel interestingly
they have been
through 14 Wars 14 Wars since its
Inception 1948 1956 1967 1973 and then
other issues like what happened in
Munich at the Munich
Olympics The antifas Unbelievable I mean
un you know terrorist activity has has
always been the case now is just the
next chapter let me ask you a
question who do you think is better
mental health in Israel where it's been
concentrated or us over here in the
United States where we haven't had any
of these issues whatsoever pretty much
to deal with except for 9 except for 911
when was the last time was a major
catastrophe 911 and then Co which
affected the whole
world I mean yes there are issues there
I'm not I'm not downplaying you know
disparities you know I get it yes I'm
not saying there's nothing to complain
about you want to complain great just
not now um
but really who is had her
harder there's no question our our our
brothers and sisters in Israel have had
her harder whose mental health is
worse by Leaps and Bounds what's the
percentage of Israelis who have anxiety
disorder relative to Americans any
guesses I might have a book for the
person who gets it right it's not
zero it's not zero 10% it's 10% it's not
you think it's 10% so if it's 100 people
there it's 10 there you know it's a
little
higher 20 30 is a good guess 20 is a
good guess the answer is 25 but let's
get it straight 25% the number of of
Americans who have anxiety disorders
which by the way is like 50 to 60
million us adults on every single year
okay my offices are pretty
busy in Israel the per capita percentage
is going to be 25% despite what they've
been through what is going on and the
answer is they know how to use their
anxiety isra know how to use their
anxiety what we're seeing in such a
massive way is people coming together
people rallying people praying they're
using the anxiety for Spiritual for
Spiritual purposes but most of all it's
also to build
resilience who here has heard of
exposure
therapy oh it's the simha event and I
have five people have heard of exposure
therapy I have to have the conversation
with Rabbi Sutton all right so I'm Glad
You Came if just only for this you think
you've heard of
it sunlight
sunlight no no no no no no not not not
sunlight almost I think what you're
talking about is like light exposure for
people with Seasonal effective disorder
close no cigar it's when you keep
getting um exposed to something over and
over again and you get sensitized
correct it's exposure therapy is a way
of dealing with anxiety and let me tell
you what it looks like okay let's say
you have have that's a good example
social anxiety and you get really clammy
around people and like a bit of that
cotton mouth and you're like you know
you don't feel you feel a little awkward
you don't like to speaking to people in
Authority you don't like speaking to
making small talk with people it's
awkward you feel
uncomfortable so what do we have you do
as a
therapist we have you come up and give a
talk anybody
[Music]
if you're socially anxious giving a talk
in front of 50 people is like I'd prefer
to die right it's like
explosive and same thing let's say
people are afraid of
spiders so I literally have a guy on
speed dial on my phone who comes in with
tarantulas to my office and no I am not
kidding un let's you're afraid of
snakes it's the same guy he has snakes
and
spiders now we start off watching videos
we start off with watch looking at
pictures even watching videos looking at
the behind cages but eventually like
there is a tarantula going on your arm
and it is you're like why would I do
that it the reason the anxiety that
comes out when people do this is so
visceral it is so uncomfortable you can
see them in the therapy room they're
they're literally wretched they're like
oh my God this is invelop in me I can't
handle this it's like too much it's and
then they come out of it sometimes to 2
hours later and they're like this is
fine I did it and they're like playing
with the spider I'm I kid you not they
are playing with the
spider it's not always as easy you know
if people are afraid of driving through
tunnels over Bridges we get in the car
with them if people are afraid of flying
I've done short Hall flights I've done
Long Haul flights with my patients and
we're not talking about using Xanax
along the way right like like they
actually face the fear what ends up
happening when you take this approach is
something called
resilience I'm going to tell you a story
about a patient I
saw who became more resilient from going
through exposure
therapy she had obsessive compulsive
disorder which is arguably an anxiety
disorder in her case it was definitely
anxiety she had some hypochondriasis she
was very concerned about her health
specifically she was concerned that she
had some sort of issue with with her
brain and we knew there was nothing
wrong with her brain she had been to
neurologist she had MRI she was fine
this person was fine if I knew one thing
about her brain it was that she had did
not have anything wrong she she was
concerned about having an
aneurysm so what what she ended up doing
was developing agoraphobia where she
actually wouldn't go places and the
reason why is because if she would leave
her
house then she would start to feel
anxious and then she would be nervous
that her blood pressure would increase
and the aneurysm which is imagined would
pop and then she would drop dead and
that wouldn't be good so she wanted to
avoid that so she ended up staying at
home and her life became smaller and
smaller and smaller At first she
wouldn't go to friends houses then she
wouldn't At first she wouldn't go there
overnight cuz maybe she'd die in her
sleep and then she just wouldn't go
during the day and then she wouldn't go
to the supermarket and then she wouldn't
go buses planes anything like her her
life became she stopped dating this is a
single girl she was her life became
extreme extremely small because of her
anxiety and I said to her what I'm
saying to you now we're not going to get
rid of your anxiety we're going to face
it we're going to you know give you an
aneurism and kill you no I'm kidding um
but there are ways ways for her to think
about it like watching videos of people
who had an anism and reading stories
about people who had anisms and going to
Medical wordss of people who were going
through brain surgery not quite like
live but like you know going through
neurology warrants and also she was
terrified that if she slept overnight in
a place and nobody knew that she might
die and end up in a city morg so for her
graduation exposure her last thing of
facing her fears she went to a different
city paid cash for the ticket stayed in
a hotel nobody knew she was there
without her cell phone she said
throughout the entire night she could
not stop panicking it was one of the
most excruciating anxiety experiences
that she ever
had
okay she ended up saying
I can do anything now I'm not scared
because I know that if my anxiety gets
super high I'm not going to squish it
I'm not going to squelch it I'm not
going to get rid of it I'm going to let
it be and I'm not going to let it ruin
my life because you know what this is
just part of who I
am the PS on the story she did get
married she did get pregnant and she
called me up with a very serious
question in her third
trimester
they found something on the ultrasound
in the baby's brain oh my of all people
though this to happen to
right and she's like I don't know like
I'm having a bit of a hard time with
this I'm like bit of a hard time with
this are you kidding I'd be freaking
out she's like I don't know like maybe I
need more therapy I'm like you should be
giving therapy lady like you are so calm
how are you handling
this she delivered they had life-saving
surgery the baby
survived and she Walts through it she
Walts through
it and she credited having gone through
exposure
therapy so I'm going to give you a
couple of strategies to harness the
anxiety today number one lean into it
don't get rid of it don't distract
yourself and that doesn't mean watching
crazy things on the news all day okay 30
minutes a day is enough and 30 minutes
before bedtime shot off your phone shot
off your phone because you don't need to
do it too much but if you're feeling
uncomfortable let yourself experience it
there were three or four times today
where I got an email I got a message
just before you know I was talking to my
my friends over here I got a call from
someone in my office who's like flipping
out about something and I'm like you
know it it just happens like it just
happens accept the anxiety Let It Be
don't try to get rid of it but for me it
happens right here I felt like a
pressure in my chest for the last 6
weeks because of what's going on and I'm
not trying to get rid of it the more I
try to fight it the worse it
is let it be let that build your
resilience the second strategy talk to
people about it have a
conversation when you do it actually
increases your emotional intimacy with
the person think about it who are the
people you're closest to in this world
the ones who you're having shallow
conversations with or the ones who you
can actually open up to when things are
going
bad if you have the shoulder to cry on
do it it'll increase your connection
with that person emotional intimacy is a
function of and I know I realize there's
a lot of men in the audience and this is
kind of foreign I get it but like go
there talk about what's going on with
each other ideally with your with your
romantic Partners if you're lucky enough
to have
one that's a second strategy to harness
our anxiety in this day and
age I I think the third strategy though
and again these are not intended to get
rid of your anxiety allow yourself to
experience it don't fight it use it to
connect to other people talk to them
about it the third one though which is
really what I wanted to sort of Riff on
here for a couple minutes and then and
then wrap
up is our spiritual
connection part of living in the United
States of America is that and you really
took the words like you said it so
beautifully that we pride ourselves on
having more control on having on
minimizing uncertainty that everything
we should know everything mapped out you
know kids especially today young adults
and teens their anxiety is through the
roof through the
roof because yes they don't allow
themselves to experience the anxiety and
yes they don't speak to each other
except through electronic means which is
not a great way to share your your
actual feelings cuz you can just shut
off the conversation if it goes badly
but most of all most of all kids today
think that everything should go well and
the minute you
hit a situation that you can't control
and that you can't understand it's like
I'm a failure something's wrong with me
that's the
perception instead I think we have to
turn I think we have to turn to
spirituality I think we have to turn to
God and I've been saying this publicly
to secular
audiences in with the release of my book
over the last several several weeks
since it was released in in mid
October
that human beings are not designed to
know everything we're not designed to be
in control of everything that's not the
way we are that's not our role in the
universe that we were never supposed to
be these omnicient omnipotent creatures
that could just snap our fingers and get
things done yes it's easier to run
things today but that doesn't mean it's
going to be simple and that doesn't mean
there's a
guarantee the fact that there's
adversity the fact that things are out
of our control is what makes us human
I'll ask you a very simple question
please raise your hands if you chose
whether to be
born okay if you chose when to be born
or where to be
born and which are the factors that
impact your life more than anything
else things that we have absolutely no
control
over you have a beautiful night you have
awesome Sushi you have a gorgeous room
and it rains and there's a fire and and
and it's almost you
know we do the best we can and the rest
you just got to give it up and part of
dealing with anxiety and this is what
they do in Israel so much better than we
do because of the spiritual zeist was of
the spiritual culture of living in that
environment of living in Israel living
in even the Middle East
certain that whole region of the world
but certainly living in Israel it's
there's such something special about
being there and and having a sense if
you've been there I'm sure many of you
have you walk off the plane and you have
the sense that like I don't have to be
in control cuz like it's going to be
okay we are struggling because we we
don't do that we don't do that we don't
live in that
world but we can we can remind ourselves
we can remind ourselves and we can use
our anxiety to Parlay into prayer to
Parlay into an acceptance of our limited
place in this world and actually to not
fight against it like we're doing which
just makes the anxiety worse but to let
go just to let go a little bit I know
people are very concerned about
anti-Semitism and people are thinking
about taking off their yamakas and their
their kot I should say there Z even from
the
doors and you know I'm not a safety
expert so perhaps I'm not the right
person to think to to to to comment on
this matter but I will tell you that we
should be
asking at what point do we just need to
let
go at what point do we just need to let
go and I'm not saying I would do things
that are actually
dangerous you know if there's a clear
and present danger in front of you
obviously don't do something
but maybe the
message I would actually
say it's stronger I think that the
message of the current situation and the
message that we have of Co and same of
9/11 and same of all the issues that
have we've experienced here in the
United States and certainly throughout
Jewish
history has been that there is a power
in letting go that's actually where we
become strong that is our strength not
just for the Jewish people but for hum
for Humanity it's for Humanity that's
what makes us strength when when we let
go and we don't allow anxiety to be
viewed as a disease when we see it as
part of who we are and when we learn to
thrive with
it thank you very
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much thank you Dr Osman for those
insights I forgot to mention um that we
will be having we're going to have a
David Cen um could speak to us a little
bit about mindfulness and anxiety um and
afterwards we will have about 10 to 15
minutes of questions um if anyone has
any questions I will direct you again
back to that uh brochure the number we
have on there you can text any questions
to that number and we will get it and
then we will then ask um David Co and Dr
Osburn to answer those questions um so
you can be anonymous or not but you have
that option just to text it um um I have
a little bit of a sort of drive or
desire to lean into what they what Dr
oser said and you know maybe sort of
expose myself here and make some jokes
but I'm not going
to and that was a joke okay so I did it
um I'm happy to introduce um Mr David Co
David Co is a highly accomplished
clinical social worker dedicated to
facilitating healing and empowerment for
individuals he operates thriving Private
Practice where he delivers compassionate
and evidence-based care beyond his
private practice David assumes the
pivotal role of Chief clinical officer
and hope which is an organization
working with victims survivors of sexual
abuse David's therapeutic approach
extends Beyond conventional methods as
he seamlessly integrates mindfulness
meditation into his practice residing in
New City New York next to me alongside
his wife and five
Sons um David
hi everybody good evening it's a
pleasure to be here uh so first of all I
just want to begin by acknowledging
simha and Mark and my good friend iy and
everybody else in the board Audrey um
and Dr mandam for having me and um the
evening is already bit a bit
late um um take a
moment take a
moment what changed what just
happened so everybody was sitting
everybody was listening everybody was
present in varying
degrees some people might have been
holding their phone some people might
have been having a little bit of
conversation holding a cup eating
something thinking about what was just
said or thinking about about 50 million
other things or maybe shifting from one
thing to the other to the other to the
other this is perfectly ordinary this is
what we all do all the time right so if
we stop and we think about it all of us
at every single waking moment of our
lives are in one of three potential
postures or
orientations we could be leaning forward
and I don't mean physically but I mean
we could be thinking about something
that's in the future this is where
anxiety lives this is where worry lives
what's going to happen how things going
to be what's going to be with me what's
going to be tomorrow what's going to
happen with
Israel we could be leaning uh in forward
in another way we could be thinking
about something we want something we're
looking forward to I can't wait to be
there I look forward to to dinner in my
favorite restaurant we're leaning
forward or we could be oriented
backwards we could be thinking about the
past we could be ruminating we could be
sort of uh beating ourselves up I
shouldn't have said it that way I should
have handled the situation that
way playing over in our minds some
conversation or some situation that
we've been in I wish I would have done
it like that next time now we're going
from backwards and we're going into the
forwards next time I'm going to do it
that
way and the third possibility is to just
be present this word mindfulness has
become so popularized in recent times
and it means a lot of things to a lot of
people I'd like to avoid using that word
too much this evening for the few
minutes that I have with you but I want
to talk about what it actually
means and we could use words and words
represent something I could say I'm
depressed you could say you're depressed
and we could mean two completely
different things right I could be
suffering from depression and I'm
talking about a real debilitating
condition and you could be talking about
a passing emotion that you have that you
refer to as how many of us have kids I'm
starving I'm not starving but this is
how they'll speak right okay so I want
to get behind the word mindfulness for
for a few minutes talk about what this
is for
us when I have I'm a therapist when
these days when I begin sessions I'll
say to clients as I always do how are
you and people will say I'm not okay
and I'll say I'm also not okay no one's
really that okay these
days the first thing to understand about
this mindfulness thing is to appreciate
and to have
um an understanding for ourselves of
what we're going through and what we're
feeling and what we're dealing
with fear is a very important necessary
capacity that we have as human beings
it's okay to feel fear it makes sense in
this day and age that we're going to be
experiencing fear sometimes or maybe
more than
sometimes and to be conscious of that
and to say it makes sense that I'm
having these thoughts and these
feelings is a very important uh it's a
very important component of what we call
mindfulness in other words we need to be
able to relate with our
experiences or if we we don't what we do
is we inevitably judge ourselves for it
so now what we're doing is we're taking
an experience that we're having which is
unpleasant or difficult or painful or
challenging and then we get we beat up
on ourselves for it like what why am I
why am I so busy in my head with this my
friend seems okay why am I not okay like
like he or she
is um I had a better day yesterday why
am I not having a day like I had
yesterday why am I struggling today so
what we're doing is we're taking a a a
normal
understandable challenge that we're
having as human beings and then we're
adding to our own distress by saying
this is not okay we're not supposed to
be having these thoughts or these
feelings so the first component that I'm
highlighting for us is to be able to
appreciate that what we're thinking what
we're feeling is okay it's not that it
feels okay but like we're human this is
what
happens especially given circumstances
and and and and world
events
so we normalize we humanize ourselves
and appreciate like this I'm just a
human being I'm struggling so when I say
to my client I'm also not okay like
who's okay these days uh the word
languishing Dr rman used you know we're
all to some degree
struggling sometimes more sometimes less
sometimes more consciously sometimes
it's more in the background simmering
for
us and it's okay it's okay that we're
experiencing this this way it makes
sense given the realities of of our
times I'd like to invite you to consider
a time that you were laying in bed
trying to fall asleep and it wasn't
working or maybe a bit more unpleasant
consider a time that you were struggling
with some dental pain you were going to
go to the dentist the appointment was
scheduled but it wasn't you weren't
there yet problem wasn't fixed yet or
you're in the dentist chair and the
dentist is working on you and there's
some pain there's some dental pain so or
or pick a different example pick
something else um a situation that I
share with clients that comes to mind is
I accidentally slammed my file cabinet
on my thumb once in my office there was
no lasting injury but there was a
few you know 10 to half 10 seconds to
half a minute of some real acute pain in
my
thumb what's happening in those moments
what are our options for how we're
experiencing those moments I want to lay
it out for you this is these are our
options
one option is oh this is not okay you
got to fall I have to fall asleep I got
to get up early tomorrow I I have to
fall asleep so we're like willing
ourselves into sleep as if that's going
to
work it's like saying uh don't think
about a pink elephant right now you
know um or you're experiencing dental
pain I I don't I don't want this feeling
I don't want that we're tightening up
against it we're resisting that
feeling so that's one posture and it's
sort of reflexive if something is
painful or something is difficult we
don't want it so we're just going to be
pushing away from it mentally physically
distancing ourselves from it okay then
there's another another way to be with
this we think we're a bit wiser you know
I have to let the pain pass so we we're
going to sit with the pain we're going
to sit with the discomfort we're going
to we're going to sit with the stress
and really what we're doing in the back
of our head we're monitoring when it
actually goes okay I understand that I'm
having trouble falling asleep now so
okay this is what's happening but
actually I'm like I'm looking so so one
of my phone it's been 5 minutes it's
another 10 minutes now when am I going
to fall asleep so we can fool ourselves
into thinking that we're sort of
accepting or allowing or making some
space for our experiences but really the
attitude that we're having in that
moment is this has got to go and I'm
just trying to sort of push it out of
the way in this indirect way the third
posture the third position the third
option is to actually make space for
whatever is present and this isn't
always so easy especially when the
experience that we're having whether
it's psychological and emotional
situational physically there's pain so
we're not looking to have this we don't
want
it but if we push against it right if we
don't have any sort of sense of
acceptance that this is what's here now
not because I want it not because I'm
wishing it for myself not because I'm
inviting it but simply because this is
what's here now we're in this posture
we're in this position this attitude
within ourselves of resisting our
experience it only makes it worse
whether it's trying to fall asleep
whether it's experiencing physical pain
stress worry anxiety whatever it
is so the other option is to really
acknowledge that this is here and then
as I said before if the situation makes
sense to humanize that for the moment
like okay this makes sense to me that
this is what I'm having I have this
dialogue in my head consciously I train
myself I habituate myself to have this
when I'm in some sort of stress or
internal struggle with something that's
going on in my life to consciously say
my selft talk should be do do you
understand why you're having this does
this make sense to you is it
understandable to put yourself into that
posture of okay this makes
sense in the context of what I'm going
through in this circumstance in this
situation whether it's my personal life
whether it's a broader like a world
event this makes sense to
me and then within that position can I
notice what I'm experiencing can I
notice what I'm feeling can I
acknowledge it to
myself without that sense of pushing and
pushing and
pushing so what I'd like to invite you
all to do is take a
moment think about something that you
can acknowledge in your mind you're
grateful for it could be big it could be
small it could
be about the broader World it could be
just about something that happened today
in your day it could be something like
you're grateful that the room is less
chilly than it was before it could be
anything big or small just take a moment
to acknowledge something that
you're just acknowledge some gratitude
some some sense of gratefulness
for
okay now take a moment and and allow
yourself to check in with yourself what
are you noticing right now is it the
feet in contact with the
floor is a temperature in the
room is it the sound of my voice or the
silence the space in between my
words just notice something that you can
experience through your five senses
whether it's the feeling of temperature
it's it's the the sense experience of
your clothes against your
body maybe one hand is on your leg or
one leg is crossed over the other just
notice
it now take a moment and notice your
thoughts what's going on in your mind is
there an overall sense of I'm just
present I'm listening or there's a
feeling of I'm preoccupied I've got a
lot going on right now now in my mind
it's hard to sit it's hard to just be
still there's almost like an energy
level that we can tune into when we
notice our thoughts the mind could be
calm sort of still it could be racing it
could be
roiling could be
restless it's like the mind can have its
own
mood and now take another moment to ask
yourself can you acknowledge something
something else that you have gratitude
for you can experience acknowledge but
even if you're not feeling it but you
can at least acknowledge something that
you are grateful for maybe something
else choose something else from what you
chose
before so I call this little exercise a
mindfulness sandwich start off with
something you're grateful for tune in to
yourself for a minute end with something
that you're grateful for this could
literally take I know 30s seconds or you
could sit for 60 to 120 seconds right
but it doesn't take longer than
that and practice this in the middle of
your day maybe set reminders in your
phone to randomly go off a couple of
times in the day and just stop what
you're doing for just a
moment tune into something you feel
where you can acknowledge gratitude
for tune into what you're noticing in
the body and with your
senses end with something else that you
could uh acknowledge gratitude for and
then go on with your
day so I teach mindfulness meditation
and I sit in meditation for long periods
of time once or twice a year I'll go on
a 5 to 10 day Meditation Retreat where
that's pretty much all you do all day is
sit in
meditation and I teach this to people
who want to do this too just sit for
long periods of time in in mindfulness I
used to think
that the more you practice this and the
longer you sit in it the more you're
going to have the benefits of that in
your life I don't think it's so simple
anymore these days I think that when we
do simple practices like I just did with
you and you pepper them in your day just
a couple of times throughout your day
literally a few seconds each one and you
do this every single day you're going to
get more from that practice than from
just sitting once a day for 30 to 60
Minutes you're going to get more out of
this little simple integrating into your
life practice
I want to offer you another
one so this is a a sort of a variation
on the one that we just did so we have
the word stop st o
p so let's use it as a nemonic s is stop
just take a moment whever whatever
you're doing take a pause T stands for
take a breath take an intentional breath
in breath
out o stands for
observe notice what's going on going on
inside you just check out what it's
feeling like in the body check out what
you're thinking just notice your
thoughts maybe notice your emotional
state what's going on how you how how
you
feeling and then once you've
acknowledged that P is proceed just go
on with your day keep on doing whatever
you were doing these little moments of
stopping and tuning in and just
acknowledging what's present and then
proceeding with your day interrupts this
flow that we tend to have of our habits
of always being lean leaning into the
forward or leaning into the backward or
what most of us are doing is constantly
rocking back and forth internally
between the Forward Thinking and the
backward thinking we're ruminating about
something that happened we're planning
or worrying about something that didn't
yet happen and how often are we actually
consciously intentionally orienting
ourselves to just really being present
now here's here's the little thing about
this
mindfulness that I want to acknowledge
sometimes people don't acknowledge this
enough I think it's important if you
start becoming more consciously more
intentionally present you're also going
to be more present for what isn't so
pleasant the moments that are feeling
stressed or sad or scary or
stressful sometimes people think that if
you practice this you're just going to
feel better all the
time
I don't think that's that's true you're
not going to feel better all the time
but you can feel more spacious you can
feel more
grounded you can feel more anchored
within yourself like I can have the
capacity to take in whatever I'm
experiencing it doesn't have to rock me
in the way that it used to there's
actually um a gar and I also read it as
a Buddhist proverb uh at one point and I
was like oh that's interesting different
different Traditions say the same thing
they give the parable of a very tall
tree strong tree strongest biggest tree
in the world next to the tree is growing
some
grass when a wind comes what happens to
the tree nothing the trees is unmoving
so when the wind comes what happens to
the grass well the grass bows and blows
in whatever Direction the wind takes
it and now imagine that the strongest
wind the strongest storm the most
powerful hurricane comes along what
happens to the tree it uproots the tree
the tree gets knocked down and it ain't
getting back up it's down for the count
and what happens to the grass the same
thing that happened with the breeze it
blows in the direction that the wind
took it and when the wind passes the
grass is up so what's actually stronger
the tree or the
grass we don't tend to typically see
strength in that way but Dr rosar used
the word resilience the ability to bend
and to feel the bend and to acknowledge
the bend the blowing of the Winds okay
now is a stressful time in my life in my
community's life in the Jewish nation's
life there's going to be a lot of
blowing and bending with the winds that
are blowing if I attempt to say I'm okay
I'm stronger than this I won't be
affected by this it's not going to
work and it it could be something just
personal going on in our lives it's not
going to work so the winds blow and we
Bend and we get affected and we
acknowledge the impact of how it's
affecting us and we humanize that
experience for ourselves we see it with
understanding that this is okay this is
normal this is understandable we don't
beat ourselves up or judge ourselves for
the fact that we're being affected or
being
impacted this sense of space that we're
making for our experiences this is what
we mean when we say
mindfulness could read all sorts of
books and articles and you know people
talking about mindfulness this is it
it's it's not a tech technique it's a
spirit it's an attitude of how to be
with ourselves in our own
experience yeah so I want to leave you
with just one more
practice so if you're holding anything
just put it down on the chair next to
you if you don't
mind keep your eyes open a lot of times
people will practice mindfulness and
they'll ask for eyes closed let's
practice with our eyes
open
okay notice how you're sitting if if you
have both feet on the floor or you have
one foot crossed just
notice get yourself
comfortable take a moment
now to acknowledge where you
are ask yourself now what did you just
think when you acknowledge where you are
did you think about this this space this
physical location did you think about
this
event ask yourself again where where am
I right
now maybe what comes up is a thought
about where you want to be and it's not
here that's okay just notice that maybe
maybe I'm tired I want I want to be in
bed
I have something going on at home I'm
it's on my mind right just just notice
that what's it feeling like physically
in the body right now just
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notice anything particularly that uh
comes up any particular sensation or
area in the body that's
noticeable notice if you can feel the
feeling of breathing right now and where
you feel it how do you how do you know
that that you're breathing right
now how do you know physically you're
feeling it over here maybe over here
maybe you're breathing through your
mouth and you're noticing it or through
your
nose just tuning
in so we're so accustomed to doing
something and fixing something and
resolving something Dr rosar was talking
about allowing the anxiety to just be as
it is and
appreciating what that can offer for us
this is really the spirit of
mindfulness just noticing what is
becoming accustomed to noticing what is
like if we don't do this if we don't
stop and check in with ourselves we're
not going to our habits of thought the
way that we deal with life for better
and For Worse we just keep on going just
that way but take a moment and notice
just take a moment and notice simplest
thing in the world they say practicing
mindfulness is simple but not easy there
is an important distinction there it is
the simplest thing in the world to just
be present and notice what is it may not
be what is may not be pleasant may not
be so
comfortable appreciate the
noticing I on the way here I came in
from New City so there was quite quite a
drive I was listening to a podcast um
this Jewish podcast called 1840 and they
new episode he interviews a guy from
Israel Rabbi donon Perez I think his
name is originally South African he
lives in Israel with his family I think
he was in the news in the early days
after the
massacre he has he has two sons in the
Army one got injured and the other one
went missing he's Mia along with two or
three other of of his of his
troops still MIA they don't know where
where he is what what happened there's
no no no video no eyewitnesses
and then in within a week or two weeks
after that he married off a son a son of
his got married and he interviews him
about this this crazy paradoxical
extreme experience that he's having of
on one hand he has a child who's Mia has
no idea where he is what's up and on the
other hand he's marrying go another son
how does he live with those two
experiences what's that
like on some much more ordinary mundane
degree we experience those kind of
extremes as well now obviously that's a
pretty extraordinary situation and
Circumstance it's worth listening to
very powerful how he talks about talks
about this he talks about how under
theah his plan was he was asked how am I
going to cope with this
wedding he he said my plan was to not
think about my son who Amaya during the
wedding I'm just going to be here for my
son who's getting married I'll be with
the S I'll be with the joy I'll think
about him when the wedding is over then
the rabbi got got up to officiate at the
and he started off by saying we have to
acknowledge I think Daniel I don't
remember his name who's missing who's
Mia and everybody was crying and they
prayed and then they switched gears and
everybody was dancing and singing right
sounds crazy but like that's really what
was needed in that moment to acknowledge
the realities of everything that was
present on some level we have these
types of extremes in our on a very
ordinary level in our lives we
experience the ups and the
Downs we're in the joys of life and
we're in the stressors and the pains and
the challenges of our life and all mixed
up not just in one day but in one hour
not just in one hour but within one
minute we could make space for it all by
acknowledging it by becoming more
present with it or we could be like I'm
just holding on trying to not fall off
the roller coaster here of
life so really it's as simple as that
taking a
moment intentionally checking in with
yourself seeing what's going on not by
trying to fix it or judge it but just by
taking it in and then going on with your
life a couple hours later do the same
thing I have a friend and who's a
therapist he says to his clients if you
do everything I say and it doesn't work
I promise to refund your misery in
full so I want to invite you to take
this and make it into a practice a daily
practice in your life and let me know in
a couple weeks if you don't notice a
difference a qualitative difference life
doesn't change reality around us doesn't
change this isn't some magical way of
changing our life but our internal
conditions the weather how the wind is
blowing inside us are we attempting to
just hold it or deny it push it away or
are we bending a little bit more with it
and what's that like like I invite us
all to discover that thank you all for
your
time
stay here if you would I don't know if
they were able to text the questions but
if you had do come up
also um and uh we're going to do an open
form let the people ask questions I'll
ask either one of you uh how do I handle
a loved one clearly going through
anxiety but not realizing it
themselves as they're not attuned to it
they don't get it I'll share a thought
and um Dr OS will piggy back on to this
the first thought that came to my mind
and I guess this is sort of In theme
with my topic of mindfulness is what's
it like for the person who's asking the
question what's it like for me to be
thinking about a loved one and concerned
about them how anxious does that make me
right what's going on for me I have five
kids God bless each each one is healthy
and beautiful in their own way but they
all have struggles in different ways in
their life right I could think about um
one of my kids right now and some of the
challenges that he's dealing with and I
can completely forget about what's
happening for me as I'm thinking about
it I'm just in Daddy Mode right I'm just
in parent mode and I'm thinking about my
loved one what's happening for me am I
aware about
that do I have any sense that as do I
have a sense of groundedness in
myself and if I don't and I'm going to
attempt to be helpful to the other
person how helpful will that be in what
way will that
color uh how I might try to talk to them
or approach this with them what will
change if I'm able to be aware first and
foremost within myself that I'm being
impacted by this experience so I just
first wanted to give a shout out for
like just that awareness of even from
the perspective of the person asking
who's concerned what's happening inside
me uh great thank you I am going to
piggy back on that so if you're love
somebody who's
once you're clear on how that makes you
feel it's important to express that to
the person so there are different ways
that people who are
anxious manifest their symptoms if
they're not Avail if they're not aware
of their anxiety and don't want to deal
with it primarily they either AO avoid
or they they'll fight they'll either be
aggressive or they will avoid being in
situations it's the fight or flight
response that's literally what anxiety
does it'll make you more agitated more
externalizing more boisterous would be
to put it mildly and sort of aggressive
or tough would be you know probably more
accurate or it can lead to more meekness
more avoiding situations I've seen P
patients families where um a husband was
extremely uh distressed by the fact that
his wife had obesso compulsive disorder
and really struggled with you know
day-to-day tasks because she's concerned
about germs she's concerned about
hypocras she's concerned about all sorts
of things i' I've seen situations where
you know you have a man who's really uh
struggling with anxiety um doesn't
really want to deal with it can't work
as much can't be you know isn't I should
say is is struggling to work as much and
to be optimally functional and and his
wife is getting angry about it and what
what has to happen in those situations
is for the supportive partner to just
say like this is what's I see going on
and this is how it affects me this is to
have a real conversation like this is
hard and this is why it's hard as
opposed to you idiot take care of this
like what's wrong with you that never
works with people who are anxious but
speaking from the heart once you're
aware of it
that can make a difference even then it
doesn't always cuz sometimes people just
don't have the wherewithal right now to
deal with their anxiety and we have to
accept that that's where they are but at
least speaking from the heart maximizes
the chances of getting the response that
you want because I wanted to give my
answer that's okay um the first part is
Kima that's why we're here true um the
second part is you know I think you know
there's a a metaphor I think people use
a lot is you know there's this fight
between the wind and the Sun and said
who's stronger the son says I'm stronger
says no I'm stronger so they say okay
let's see let's have a let's have a
competition let's have a test you see
someone who has a a jacket on and so the
sun says you go first tells the wind the
wind says okay and the wind starts
blowing and the person who has the
jacket on starts you know maybe
buttoning the jacket starts blowing even
you know stronger person starts grabbing
at the jacket well is even strobing the
person's tying down a rope putting that
jacket on as tight as possible and the
son says Let me give it a shot Sun
starts shining shining and shining and
the person takes off the Jack and so you
know I think the metaphor metaphor what
it symbolizes is that you really to to
fight someone to push someone to go
against what they want is often
ineffective and what is more effective
is how do you meet them with warmth how
do you sort of show compassion how how
do you meet them where they're at so
they can't acknowledge they have anxiety
okay well can they acknowledge that
they're not sleeping well can you tap
into the parts that they can align with
how do you partner with them like Sim
house tries to do with people and try to
partner so that is my answer to that
question but I I will say it is really
really difficult when you're watching
family members who are struggling um I
will say that's one of the most
difficult things that I see at Simas how
stuck and how challenging that can be
for for
everyone the next question which is
actually the last question I'm
sorry is how to process emotions that
feel so close to us yet so far for
example Israel
related the first thing that comes to
mind is a saying I don't know who
originally said this but I use it often
in with my family and with
clients any abnormal reaction to an
abnormal situation is normal any
abnormal reaction to an abnormal
situation is normal and it really allows
us to put perspective on what it's like
when we're having reactions to
experiences we tend to sort of get very
self-conscious and think that there's a
right way to have a reaction there's a
right way to have an experience and then
there's a wrong way and then we find for
some reason we have this built-in bias I
mean there are reasons but not not
necessary to get into now but you know
we we we presume we're on the wrong side
of that we don't tend to think oh my
feeling is you know the way I'm dealing
with this is okay it's the other one we
we tend to get sort of critical with
ourselves and self-conscious around that
so I think that this question sort of
has that built into it like there's
somebody out there who's experiencing
what what we're going through in some
way that's more ideal than how I'm
feeling about it or thinking about it
people cope with with the realities of
their lives in all sorts of different
ways and I I like to give the for that
different coping mechanisms that we have
you know fight and flight was mentioned
before but there's a few others they're
like different flavors of the same ice
cream and so they look different they
manifest a little differently but
they're but they're all still ice cream
they're just different flavors some
people just will go with their coping
mechanism One Way some people will go
another way some people go to the
dentist and in their distress they say
to the dentist give me a mirror I want
to see everything that's happening I
want you to describe step by step what's
happening and other people say knock me
out wake me up on when it's over I'll
pay the bill and I'm getting the hell
out is there a right way and a wrong way
it's just two different ways people
attend people distract people shut down
people get really
reactive there's there isn't a right and
a wrong way obviously when we're
experiencing uh events that are
extraordinary it makes sense that we're
going to have feelings that range the
the entire gamut and what I also hear in
this question is sort of like a certain
type guilt almost like a cousin to
survivor's guilt of like well so many of
my brothers and sisters are struggling
with with this in such big ways like
well I'm so removed from it and I'm it's
not impacting me in such a direct way so
like you know it's wrong for me to think
that like I'm stressing about this or
that my anxiety is real or legit it's
just another way of getting down on
ourselves and creating more struggle in
something that's already a struggle so I
would just acknowledge that like bring
an awareness if if any of of that is
happening in our thinking be aware of
that needs I think we're so close to
what's going on over there because of
all the technology that we have I mean
it really doesn't take a lot to you know
even to fly over there if out of JFK
there's like three flights LL has
several flights a day so I'm not sure
what it means I think the world is
smaller than ever and if anything you
know the question is how to get some
distance from it I think you know we we
and I mentioned this in passing in my um
remarks before you know I do think we
have to set some reasonable limits on
how much we digest what's going on
especially being here in the United
States and sort of like taper it down to
us and to me 30 minut if unless you work
in the media 30 minutes a day of
exposure to the news is plenty and I
also have a general rule that I say to
really everyone these days which is a
half an hour before bedtime and yes you
should have a bedtime we can talk about
that too um to to stop using devices and
certainly to stop looking at at you know
at the news and what's going on in
Israel you'll catch up tomorrow I mean
you know the news cycle here everything
starting in the morning anyway I don't
know if you've notice that 678 a.m. is
usually when stuff starts to starts to
filter in so you're not going to get a
whole lot of extra news at 21 to 11 you
know 10 11 12 um at
night is there a difference between
stress distress anxiety and
fear and um see approach to each one the
same chapter one of my new
book so uh anxiety is the same response
as fear but there's one key difference
fear is a natural healthy good response
that people have to keep you um safe
when there's an actual threat so if
you're stepping off the curve and
there's a van or truck which is coming
towards you and that startle response
which helps you to either fight or Fleet
hopefully to flee in that case um to get
back onto the curb and to to keep you
safe anxiety is the same thing but
there's no real car it's like a misfire
of the system and that's fine you can
have a misfire that's perfectly fine
it's like a smoke alarm that goes off
with a little bit of smoke as opposed to
an actual you know fire it means your
smoke alarm Works stress is a little
different stress is when there's an
imbalance between your demands and your
resources and the problem with
stress is that the approach that I was
saying before face the fear get out
there let yourself experience it when it
comes to stress you actually need to
take a little bit of a different
approach which is to recalibrate and
rebalance because what happens often
when people have too many demands not
enough resources it's fine to be a
little bit out of balance and have a
little stress but if it's chronic stress
and it's very tough people tend to take
on more and more and more and more as
opposed to accepting their limits so
there is a difference in the way that we
approach each of these three things and
for more you're welcome to take a
look I think he was the book
huh probably
question can
probably okay so um at this point aava
has left she's gone but I want to thank
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Cal