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Good evening everybody. Um, what an
unbelievable pleasure and honor it is to
be with you this evening. Um, I know
that it's 8:00 p.m. for you guys out
there on the East Coast. For us in
Israel, it's a little bit later than
that. It's 2:00 in the morning. Um, but
we are all incredibly happy um to be
able to do this. Uh, it's an important
thing that we're doing this evening. Um,
for those of you who are new to me, my
name is Johnny Daniels. Um, I am
involved in Israel advocacy and the work
of my foundation and incredibly happy to
be here this evening supporting Rising
Heroes and the unbelievably important
work that they're doing. Um, tonight's
topic, as you all know, is when the
battle ends. Rising heroes and the
journey to healing. Uh tonight we're
going to discuss how Israel's heroes are
rebuilding strength, purpose, and peace
from within. Rising Heroes is a US501c3
nonfor-profit organization dedicated to
helping IDF soldiers cope with the
trauma they experienced by teaching them
practical tools to prevent PTSD,
fostering their emotional recovery, and
strengthening their mental resilience.
We're going to hear a lot more about the
organization this evening, but as we all
know, PTSD and
all the difficulties associated with
that are the fight that we're all going
to be fighting now in Israel moving
forward. And really, this is such a key
in terms of looking at how we deal with
our future here in Israel, uh, and the
future of all of us around the world.
Tonight we're going to be able to hear
from an unbelievable group of people.
The keynote speaker this evening is
Talam Tal is a remarkable person. He's
an Israeli survivor and a returnee, a
former hostage who was held by Hamas
savages for 505 days until he was
released. His unbelievably powerful
story of endurance and recovery often
offers a moving testament to the
strength of the human spirit. As a
keynote speaker, Tal shares his journey
of resilience, hope, and the will to
heal after unimaginable trauma. We also
have the unbelievable opportunity to
hear from Ben Milman who's an IDF
special forces air force commander, a
practicing clinical psychologist and a
key member of Israel's hostage
negotiation debriefing team. He's also
the founder of Rising Heroes. Omir
Kashi, an IDF combat soldier who will
share his experiences and also a
graduate of the Rising Heroes program.
And Dr. Iran Shadar, an Israeli clinical
psychologist and trauma expert who
specializes in treating combat related
PTSD and resilience training. He's
worked extensively with IDF soldiers and
first responders, helping them recover
from psychological impact of war and
crisis.
Um, again, what a wonderful and
incredible opportunity for all of us to
be here to hear from these amazing
speakers. There is a Q&A box as you can
all see. Um, and throughout the evening,
feel free to drop your questions in
there. We'll answer the questions at the
end. Um, and often your questions will
be answered even before you've had the
opportunity to write them. So, hold on
with that. Uh, but feel free to ask
whatever you like. And first of all, we
have the opportunity to hear from the
man who's brought us here all this
evening from the incredible bin Milman.
Ben, please kick this evening off.
>> So, hi guys. Uh, very nice. uh to be
here in that uh special event. I want to
thank everybody who joined us tonight.
I would share about the story of Rising
Heroes, why is it so important and where
it's all started. So in the past two
years, Israel is dealing with an event
that uh us generation and in general we
never experienced before. In October 7,
the life of so many Israelis,
reserveist, active duty soldiers have
been changed dramatically with one-time
event that was extremely traumatized.
The unique situation is the fact that
this event is only the beginning of our
story in the past two years. And in
terms of mental strength, resilience and
the mental tools that our soldiers
needed to succeed in the mission and we
understood very fast that we need to
change and adapt to the new situation in
order to complete the mission. Rising
Heroes started in October 8, seeing
soldiers right after the different
events in the Gaza envelope, debrief the
different teams, organic teams, people
who fight together so they can really
organize their emotional experience,
understand what they need to do now and
go and complete the mission in the most
uh accurate and successful way and the
first three months we were really
focusing on the mission itself. We
entered into
the majority of the first part of the
war
and really this was an experience of
complete chaos. The amount of reserveist
that been called
created a new term in Israel of a
warlife balance. The average reserveist
had to balance between his time in
reserve and in the battlefield. And then
at every time he would come back home,
he will need very fast to adjust and uh
and and keep track with everything he
left behind. This was extremely hard and
challenging.
I could share an experience that you
would feel that the only thing that you
want when you're in the field is to go
back home to your wife and kids and when
you go back you being quiet silent. The
only thing I wanted is to be back with
my friends
and a feeling that I could and I should
do more. And this is how so many people
find themselves going back home. And the
only thing that they're thinking of is
being back on the field back and forth.
Starting around January 24, the entire
army started these cycles of reserves
of of reserve duty. And
reserveist started to serve one week
at the field, two weeks at home, a month
in the field, two weeks at home. Every
unit changed by itself. And this was the
right time to launch the retreats
outside of Israel. What we do basically
we take organic teams, people who fight
together as we want to heal together as
much as we fight together. There is a
term that a stranger will never
understand what we've been on the field.
And we found the participants
much more open to share open to work in
an emotional different way and share the
experiences among each other with their
organic teams of who they fight for. And
what uh unique in what we are doing is
that we are tailor made costume retreat
for any team that uh goes on our
program. So we take the the team outside
of Israel for about a week together with
two psychologist facilitators and
throughout this week they will work with
their body. They will work with their
mind. They will share their experiences
with themselves so they can really build
a cognitive timeline of their own
personal war story
and receive the strength that they need
for completing the mission and go back
home safe mentally and also
secure with their team. The program have
five major goals. The first one is to
allow every participant to win you his
energy,
his resources to go on and continue
serving in reserve. The second is
processing our experiences.
With trauma, we are in a big race
against time. The faster we reach out to
the individuals, the higher the success
we receive in a prevention of PTSD. This
is the number one goal that we are sick
for. It's to prevent the trauma. We
understood that it's by far more
efficient,
cheaper, and easier to prevent what we
are dealing with than to treat it after
individuals suffer from PTSD. And they
receive a unique opportunity to process
the army experiences very close to where
the experiences happened. Each one of
them received this opportunity to open
up and share with his teammates, the
people who fight alongside with him what
they've been through in a new and and
different way than what we use to speak
and and share when we wear uniforms and
we are when we are on the field. So the
second very important goal of those
retreat is to allow this fast ability to
process the experiences and we do that
in a many different ways. Some of them
are more direct and some of them are um
very emotional. The third is psycho
education. We allow every participant,
every reser that goes on the retreats to
receive practical tools of how to get
back home, what should I speak, what
should I share with my family and what
am I allowed to share, what do I want to
share and we legitimize the different
feelings that each one of us feels and
not all of us speak of
about them.
One of the examples of a practical tools
is just to make um preparation before
coming back to
my
family and to do like a simulation of
how
I would meet my family and who should I
meet with what should I say whereas my
mind could be all the the way in the
field. The fourth is to strength the
cohesiveness of the team. We found that
the team Natalie, I see that we see the
WhatsApp on the on the screen
and I'm about to touch the achievements
of this year.
The strength of the team, the
cohesiveness of the team is the number
one key to maintain the resilience of
the group of the individual. It's a
source of energy, power, motivation that
really helps legitimize and
share each one's challenges that he
feels throughout this uh very
challenging two years. Some of us
experience challenges at home in our
relationship. Some of us feel the
challenges in our career and a lot of us
carrying experiences from the
battlefield that it's not always easy to
open up and share. And the group really
helps for that. The fifth goal is to
locate people and participants who needs
this further treatment
and reach out to them very early on
time. I would like to deliver this
message in my short time that the time
is a key factor of when and and how we
reach out to the individuals. We work
with the army. We work with the units
theself to reach out and to locate the
guys that needs further treatment and we
are there. Rising heroes is an address
for every individual. Every retreat
starts in Israel and ends in Israel a
month after. We follow up with every
individual. What's unique in what we are
doing is that we are tailor made
program. We learn each participants
story. The individuals themselves and
the team, the facilitators reach out to
their commanders, to individuals. Each
one of them goes through a personal
interview and the relationship between
the participants and the facilitators
continuing after. In terms of budget, we
are in a strong relationship with the
army. Some of the units even launch and
pay with reserve duty days for the
participants to participate in the
retreat which is a great achievement
that we are very proud of. We launch
over 40 teams and more than a thousand
soldiers in 2025, which this was the
goal of the first month of 2026,
and we already passed those numbers. Um,
each soldier cost us $1,800 to
participate in in the retreat. It's a
full week, including the food, the
transportation,
uh, the facilitators and everything. The
army participants, the
ministry of defense has the budget that
it gives to every participant
and we need to the help to
to expand dramatically. In a personal
note, we are in a big big challenge. Uh
this is a time in uh the history of
Israel that this is the most difficult
war we experienced since we established
and we have no other way but to keep
Israel strong. Our reserve is the people
who fight. Those are the people that
carrying Islam that carrying this
country on their shoulders and we cannot
allow them to collapse under the
burden of the emotional experiences
they've been through and the most
intensive two years of our life. This
was my part. I would invite each one of
you to reach out to contact to ask any
question and I'll be very happy to
answer and to give more information. I
would like to handle it back to Johnny
and hear from our hero guest speaker
Tal. The last word that would say, sorry
Johnny. sure
>> is that rising heroes is all about
post-traumatic growth and the ability to
locate and find what other experiences
in facts also happening alongside the
catastrophe or the challenging that our
participant going through. Tal's story
for me is more than inspiring
and uh is a great example of how we can
all rise under pressure although that
the challenges are very big sometimes.
Thank you.
>> Thank you very much Ben. Um now again
it's an un unbelievable honor to be able
to be here and to share the time with
Tuan Tal. I'm going to ask you a few
questions if that's okay.
>> Um,
firstly, thank you. I I it's late for
all of us and and I can imagine it's uh
not the easiest to do it this late at
night. So, thank you very very much for
being here. Tal, you spent 505 days in
captivity.
The most unimaginable length of time to
be held and also cut off from the world.
Can you share a little bit of your story
with us?
>> Yes. So, I was abducted on October 7th
from Kibutsbury
uh together with all of my family, my
wife and my two children. We were
immediately separated
and and took into Gaza separately.
Um I spent most of the time
in captivity with Gilbadal and Davidid
of which 8 and 1/2 months we we've been
together underground 60 ft or 90 ft
underground.
I
experienced um
the how can I describe it? like um the
the most awful and and evil side of
humanity
coming toward us. And and with that also
the the ability to
um to find strength from within and and
to handle and struggle with whatever is
happening in in a
in a comprehensive comprehensive and and
and building way toward the future. So
yeah.
Wow. You know, for you you touched on it
before that for most of the time in
captivity, you were held together with
Gerbo Dalal and David.
That bond that you created between the
three of you. How how important was that
for for you to be able to manage and
survive in a situation that no one could
ever prepare for, be ready for?
So in the beginning it seems to me that
I will be able to to handle my captivity
alone. I was in solitary condition.
But after a while I I started to notice
that the fact that I'm alone and
separated from everything else and
everyone else
starting to to get under my skin. Um
and and I actually started to pray that
they will bring in to me or will take me
to other hostages which they did
eventually on on the 34th day. And since
then um we
formed a brotherhood and not by by blood
but by share faith and the chemistry
between us was really really good.
We were smart enough to to find
practices and ways to deal with
the starvation
with the the fact that we we don't have
anything um at all in in in our in our
little world.
uh we found the ways to to combat the um
the frustration and anger in in a in in
a way that was
that could give us a lot of strength.
Some of the time I I used as a father to
them cuz because there is a a really big
age gap between us and and I have a lot
of experience much more than them in in
in life.
But but I I I feel really really
fortunate
to to to have them in my life and to be
together. As Ben described,
there are things that a
a stranger won't understand ever
regarding regarding captivity and and
and the struggle in it. And I'm really
really happy that they came back now and
and we can reunite as a whole together
also with the Ome.
Wow.
You know, you you spoke about the the
how difficult it is for for an outsider
to understand for for someone who hasn't
experienced it to understand. And just a
few days ago in in Montreal, I met with
a Holocaust survivor and the Holocaust
survivor was talking to me about the
feeling of hunger. And he said, "You
can't understand hunger until you've
really experienced hunger like we have."
What what for you from from all of these
experiences is something that
we could maybe attempt to think about
understanding? What what is the
overwhelming feeling from this time that
that you think is important for us as
people who love and care and want to
help should know?
>> So
um first I would say that I agree with
with this person. I I really hope that
no one will
suffer or feel a real starvation
cuz it's it's really overwhelming
feeling the spread all around the body
and it's like 24/7
it's it's real like a deep deep pain.
Um
I I think that that
in the end
our experience it's it's in in in part
it's a private experience but in other
parts it's it's a
a wholesome experience of of Israelis as
a as a nation and Jews all around the
world
and also other communities that are
really really supportive to Israel and
Jews as a whole. And
I I think that it it will be really hard
to describe or to to share the feeling
of of being in in in in
those places.
But um but to feel the the the big hug
and cover and and willingness from
everyone
around us is something that
gives so much strength and and and and
support
to this struggle and recovery from it.
I'm I'm not sure that this is what you
ask but but this is what comes. So
>> you know what it's the answer was better
than the question. So so that was
absolutely perfect. I can tell you on a
on a personal level that you know we we
we all watched on and and were
unbelievably happy to see you coming
home and coming home to your family. Um
and on a personal level I've was in
touch with your family I think on the
second day. um on October 9th was the
first time I spoke to your family
personally, but that's a whole another
story. Um so we're very very happy. Now,
when we're dealing with the issue of
mental health,
how from your perspective, how important
is it that Israel continues to invest in
the emotional recovery and resilience
not only for soldiers and for survivors
of captivity, but for the nation as a
whole?
>> How important
We we have a we have here a joke that
it's actually true that we are a PTSD
nation
as a whole and I think that that there
is an essence a true truly essence in it
which we which is like forcing us to to
develop and and and find ways to deal
with with the situation with children
and civilians
in in the south uh that are suffering
for 20 years now from
from terror attacks and and
outcomes of it. And
you know right now uh we reunited here
and
our medical team or the psychologist
that they are escorting us and and
working with us need to to to
develop ways to deal with
hostage children which there is no
literature uh to work with. They they
need to to reinvent it.
And I think that like in other
areas like with water supply and water
purification that Israel started to
export technologies. I think that the
same thing will happen with the with the
PTSD and other effects of of being under
war and under a life threat.
as a basic
basic way of life or even I can call it
commodity of life because because this
is what we we're dealing with every day
and and I think that soon we will the
world will will discover that Israel
have a lot to offer to other places
in in this field as long as other fields
as well. Yeah,
>> absolutely. And as we know, that's
something that that you know, they call
us a startup nation. Unfortunately, this
is a new startup that we're having to
develop. Um, and we're lucky, very, very
lucky that we have groups like Rising
Heroes who are doing such a good job at
at bringing this to the front and
helping those who really need it the
most. Now, is there one thing um what
would be one thing perhaps that you do
each day that helps you grow and move
forward? uh and enjoy life. Is there
anything in particular that you do every
day?
>> So, you know, in in in the deepest of
the tunnels where you you don't have
anything, you don't have a cell phone, a
TV, a newspaper,
nothing at all from from the normal
world. I I discover
then that there are really short list of
of things that are actually important.
Um, the family, of course, my family, to
spend time with them, to spend time with
with good friends and close friends, but
also um to find ways to be in service
and and to make the world a better place
and and
um so it's it's not as much to enjoy
life, although I am enjoying life, but
to to find ways to fulfill it cuz life
is short and I want to do
good in in in my life and around me. And
this is partly what what attracted me to
to Rising Heroes
because I think that together we can do
really really good things.
As Ben described, the the reserve
unit of soldiers are are are us in
particular. I mean, this is this is our
people. I mean, it's not only the the
young one, it's everyone.
and and for me these kind of activities
and uh to to try to help others it's the
most crucial and and important part of
of my journey and it was really really I
I found the emphasized it was emphasized
in in in those days
and time when when I had nothing
actually. So I try to remember it every
day and and to live by it every day
because in the end
when when my life will finish or end I
want I I want to make sure that the
world is a better place after world.
Thank you, Tela. And I I can tell you
that the the light that you're sharing
definitely makes the world a better
place and the courage that it takes to
retell your story and relive it and
share what you do with us makes the
world of difference. Thank you on behalf
of all of us. Um truly we greatly
appreciate you and I know that rising
heroes and all of us personally are with
you as well and whatever any of us can
ever do we are always always here for
you. Tal keep being amazing. Thank you
very very much.
>> Thank you.
>> We we also um have an honor to hear from
somebody else really really very amazing
this evening. Omar Kashi is an IDF
combat soldier um who's going to share
his experiences with us. Uh, Omare is
also a graduate of the Rising Hero
program. I think he's going to speak a
little bit about that as well. So, Omar,
I'm going to pass this over to you.
Thank you also for being here this
evening.
>> Thank you very much. Uh, first of all,
I'd like to pay my big respects for Tal
which is a true hero indeed
and it's an honor to speak here
alongside him. So, uh, that's it for the
beginning. Uh I would like to start also
by saying uh thank you for your time and
for your ears. I really appreciate it.
And I would like to say in advance that
I'm sorry h if my English may be lacking
as I'm trying to deliver our story, my
team story in a bit.
Uh so first of foremost I'd like to
introduce myself. My name is Omar and
I'm 22 years old and I'm part of the 846
recon battalion of the Givi Brigade,
part of the IDF ground forces. Uh for
the non-military associate guys, which
is the most of us here. It basically
means that we're the tip of the spear.
Uh the special men the special missions
that the brigade gets, it's us. Uh we do
the most extreme things that the brigade
needs to do inside the combat zones
because we're the recon battalion.
Uh we've been uh fighting since October
7th. We've been deployed in each and
every corner that the IDF stood against
terror. Uh we've known Gaza like our own
homes in the past two years.
And that's it for the beginning. I think
u
I'd like to talk to you today and not as
but uh I want to speak as a small part
of a much bigger system that really
contains the most noble, brave and
modest fighters and humans uh that I
know in the short time of my living.
Erh, and I want to talk about the
opportunity as a whole. The whole
opportunity that we got through the
rising heroes program
uh which I've been through with my team
like two two and a half months ago uh in
the summer. So uh
first I need to talk about how an
organic team like Ben mentioned how an
organic team in a
special unit actually works. So
basically we learn for long period of
time how to speak without words. So it
means when we're operating behind enemy
lines and we going on our missions the
we coming back we do whatever we need to
do. don't really speak about things
because we know how to operate without
words. So, we basically don't really
talk about what's going on inside,
what's going on through the mission. And
after the mission, there's no really a
good reason to to talk about things
because most of the times the only guys
that will understand you and what's
really going on inside is the guy next
to you, which is your team. So we don't
really get the opportunity to speak
loudly about things that we've been
through and things we did. So we pretty
much used to it because that's the job.
That's how we learned. That's how it
works and that's how we continue doing
it. So uh that's it basically on how
we're operating in terms of speaking
about things. We don't really speak
about things. So uh
after a long long period of time uh when
all we knew was fighting because that's
what we did in the last two years until
now uh we came across the opportunity to
get into the program as the team and
start making a really really really
great journey together. So uh first of
all the program gives us the rare chance
to speak on what's going on inside our
mind. As I said earlier we don't really
do that.
So that was like a very rare occasion to
anyone of the team fighters
and I think like
not even talk about what's going on in
our minds and just talking about our
feelings as well which is something that
we don't really talk about as well which
is something that we didn't even knew
that we can speak of cuz we don't learn
how to do it.
Uh so that's I think the first thing I
need to mention because it it was truly
remarkable that we don't know how to
speak about ourselves.
I think that I need to mention that we
met with wonderful therapists that the
program provided us with and the two of
them beside of course doing an excellent
job and kind of reaching to any one of
us in a point that we didn't even know
existed. they really became a part of
the family like the team is a is a very
closed family that you know brothers
bond and anything beyond that only we
can understand what we've been through
as Ben mentioned earlier
uh it was so unique that someone from
outside got to enter into this kind of
beautiful connection of the team and not
interfering in but just making it
better, making it stronger.
They they really got into the family. So
that was truly remarkable and like we're
in great connection. We speak like uh on
a very close basis. It's truly
remarkable. I had to tell you that. And
another amazing thing, we got to feel
the opportunity. We got opportunity to
feel the the amazing energy and the man
and the caring from from the other side
of the world. I need to tell you that
for the most of us it was the first time
in the US, the first time meeting people
from the other side of the world and the
amount of love, amount of kindness and
compassion we got from you, from all of
the amazing people that we've met in
this journey.
We didn't even
consider in our mind that there can be
such things like we were used to to do
our thing as a job. Of course, I need to
tell you that we look at it as a
privilege. We look at it as a privilege.
We are in the right time and place to do
the most important things that our
people needs right now, which is taking
care of great people like Tal that were
taking from them homes and it's our
responsibility to get them back. It's
our responsibility to fight terrorists
that want to harm our country and our
people. And we feel privileged that we
got the honor of a true fighter to come
and face that as a team.
We look at it as a privilege, but to see
other people outside of Israel in the
other half of the world
that share the same feelings that people
here have towards you. It's something
that is truly unique and we couldn't
even consider that we will get such
love, such compassion like there's a
very strong will that we felt from
everyone
over in New Jersey that to to come and
give their support and give their part
which is again words can't even describe
the feelings that we have spelled there
that and I need we need to we can't take
any of this for granted because
wow just in one word wow
even and if I like need to think about
the minor things even the chance to
experience different kind of atmosphere
to let's say for example open our
mornings with something more chilled
than guns and bullets like yoga session
or surfing session just doing like
something like regular people doing
something that regular people does in
their mornings it's a unique it's a
unique thing for us
and another important thing that I need
to tell you is that after the after the
session in New Jersey after the week we
had in New Jersey with all of the
experience I mentioned right now we came
back to fighting
We came back to fighting. We just came
out of Gaza
two weeks ago. We've been there for like
almost two months right now straight.
And we've been through we've been
through events over there like
like things we remember from the
beginning of the war. We lost people,
people got injured,
like the same experience that that we
were used to. But the tools we got from
the program to handle the situation that
we had right now, things were totally
different. Like it didn't affect how we
operate. like we operated as good as
every other day before the program, but
the tools we got to just talk with each
other and make sure that everybody is
okay after the event
is something that we truly feel and
embrace to this day. So, I'm talking as
a guy that has been in fighting before
the program and after the program, so we
really know the big influence it had on
us. So uh to sum up as I said earlier
I'm a part of a much bigger and greater
group of people that are fighting for a
greater cause. Tal spoke before me. I
don't think I need to explain about this
greater cause because I think it's well
known to all of the people here.
Uh
today, as I said, I'm speaking on behalf
of all of the combat soldiers that I
fought alongside and
all on behalf of all of the people that
are put in such great effort behind the
scenes, which their voice is silent
because they don't know that they can
speak, that they can share, that they
can go through a process, that they can
become better. Sometimes between combat
soldiers
to speak on your difficulties,
sometimes people think about it like
it's a weakness.
And we learned that it isn't. And we saw
on the battlefield that it isn't. It
actually made us better. It didn't
affect our operations in a bit. It just
made the outcome better because we learn
how to process things more properly and
to learn from it to other events that
may occur in the future. So, um I'm
speaking to you because I want to
encourage you because of the things we
got in the process, the mental tools,
because of how beneficial this whole
experience was and is to this day for
us. Um, I want to encourage you to to do
the right thing. You have so much so
much compassion and so much love towards
us and it's the same. So, I want to
encourage you to to go and give your
part, to go and do whatever you can in
order to to make people like me
become better, make their life better,
make better decisions,
to actually
actually feel better with themselves
after they come out of the battlefield.
Because in Israel
there's there's an opportunity. They're
going to return to the battlefield, but
they're going to return from their
different persons for the good because
they will have the tools to to be with
their friends and to share their
experiences and become better fighters
and humans because the mission is
is never stopping and we will need to be
in the front lines. So I want to thank
you for your for your ears tonight and
uh again I was honored to speak to you.
Thank you
Omar. Thank you very very much. Your
English is fantastic by the way. There's
nothing to be ashamed about. So see
brilliant. Um and Omar also made a very
good point about doing the right thing
and about helping out and supporting. in
the chat that you can all see below you,
there's a link and that link takes you
to the page where you can donate and
donating to this unbelievable
organization. Once again, a 501c3 in
America, so it's taxdeductible, is a
very, very worthwhile and important
thing to do. And whilst you're all
donating, uh, I'm going to introduce the
incredible next speaker, uh, Dr. Iran
Shadak is an Israeli clinical
psychologist and trauma expert. um a
brilliant man who will give us a much
better insight into the super important
work that they're doing. Um and doctor,
you look like a doctor, all those books
behind you, by the way. It's brilliant.
All of us are sitting here at our homes
and you got that doctor's office going
on. Uh doctor, we're very very happy to
to hear from you this evening. Thank you
so much for being with us.
>> Good evening everybody. I am honored to
be here. I was both moved and impressed
by the stories of a talent.
I never heard them before.
Um what I would like to share with you
in the next 10 to 15 minutes. Uh is a I
would talk about trauma and post trauma
in Israel at large and the reserve
forces
specifically. But before that I would
like to introduce myself. My name is
Iran Shadash. I am a lieutenant colon
reserve. I'm still doing my reserve duty
in these days. I serve with the same
unit with Ben. Um
I am a senior lecturer in the psychology
department in academic college of the
Vivafo and I'm also a research fellow in
the institute for counterterrorism
and an adjustant lecturer in RMA
University.
Um my specialist my my research is on
psychopathology and groups
and
personally in a more personal note on
1982 in the first Lebanon war I was a
young cadet officer in Lebanon we fought
uh with the commandos and division
armored division brigade
We were on my own tank commander was
wounded during the fight and fell into
my my hands during the fight. He was
evacuated. He was okay. He was evacuated
to hospital and he was recovered. But I
took those memories. I was 21 and it
stayed with me. I never spoke about it.
I I didn't do anything with it.
Two years ago, 9:30 a.m. in the morning
in
uh I was 63.
Uh
uh I was sitting uh at my home and I was
called uh
part of an emergency response team and I
find myself after a few hours
in in in Tal's Kibuts in Kibutz B. Uh my
job, my team's work was to negotiate and
to try to release 16 hostages that were
captured by Hamas terrorist in the house
that was had the name of the house of
Pesi. Uh we failed. The story full was
published in newspapers, articles and
television documents, documentaries.
Um
and it was very very tough experience.
Um
so few months later
when uh Ben approached me and asked if I
would like to join him in the rising
heroes I said yes of course I know
trauma. I said to myself I know trauma I
want to try to help. And uh since then
I'm I'm here with Ben.
Now let's go back to the to our to our
work. Natalie, can you take it to the
first slide, please?
Thank you. So give me a place to stand
and I will move the earth. Archimedes
said it of course. H why did I put why
did I put it here? Because
trauma
and post trauma involves immense
unbearable
agony, mental pain and distress for the
person who struggle with it. No one in
the world that I know at least of and I
know of many could raise himself by his
own force and get himself out of this
agony.
However, if there is someone that stands
beside the circle of agony
and he has the right tools, he can stand
in other place.
This leverage may help to
alleviate and even to cure
sometime the pain of the trauma.
Natalie, please let's go to the next
slide.
So, what is PTSD?
PTSD is a normal reaction to an abnormal
situation. If you would like to take a
look at the lower picture, you see
there, it's a bit small, but I hope you
will be able to see it. This is the
shelter of my apartment house during one
of the Iranians missile attack. Missiles
attack. If you will look carefully, you
will see at the far end a young woman
with a white sweatshirt bending forward.
This is my older daughter and she's
bending forward because he trying to
relax our dog who was under immense
duress. Next to her is my wife and next
to my wife
very nice neighbors. uh we have in the
apartment house. We spend many many
hours in the shelter wondering if the
next missile will fall on our shelter
and actually the clinic of my wife she's
also a clinical psychologist. The clinic
her former clinic was hit directly by a
missile and was devastated. Luckily no
one was hurt because everybody were in
the shelters and in the in the protected
spaces.
So we heard the the booms and we heard
the walls shivering, the windows
shattered in in our house in next
houses. It was really really terrifying.
And up there you can see the Iranian
missiles and on the right up hand side
you can see our soldiers maybe friends I
don't know they're fighting in Gaza.
My point is that um
unlike any other war in the history of
Israel,
not even the independence war, not even
the Yonipur war, this war amounted to
what we in our line of research and
work, clinical psychologists,
researchers, we call collective trauma.
What is a collective trauma? It is a
trauma that engulfves the whole
community, the whole civil society, not
only the soldiers. I remember when I
came back from Lebanon, the first
Lebanon war, I came back to Tel Aviv
from Lebanon and I was stunned by the
by the uh calmness and and and and
regular manners of the people in the
central bus station. Everybody minding
their own business. I was stunned. My my
friends are bombed and and exploded
up in Lebanon. Every day is like a
Russian roulette and here people are
going their own minding their own
business. I was stand I couldn't
understand it but this is how it should
be. This war the October 7 is
characterized by four distinct
characteristics.
The first one is the immense sheer
pervasive brutality
and cruelness of the Hamas terrorist
attack. The
immense damage inflicted Israeli civil
settlements and Israeli civilians.
The second element is the shock that was
caused to us by the impingement and by
the invasion to our sovereign borders.
It only happened before in the um
independence war in the 40 1948 war.
Never after that in Yonipu war they
never went down the Golan Heights. here
they went into Israel and this was
shocking and it shattered the confidence
of Israeli society in Israel's
government leadership and army.
The third element was the kidnapping
of so many people including children and
Tal mentioned it and Omar mentioned it.
These are three elements. But the fourth
element,
the last ingredient we need in order to
get so to speak a collective drama is
when the ghosts of the past infiltrating
into the present. And I worked and I
also participated in the chapter we
wrote about the trauma of October 7. It
will be published in Hebrew and English.
I hope soon in a book.
People saw again the ghosts of the
Holocaust, the concentration camps, the
Gestapo entering houses, murdering,
kidnapping, maybe also the programs of
Kelnitzki in Ukraine.
These were the ghosts that we heard from
people.
And when all four elements combine
together and the fourth element is that
the ghost of the past are experienced as
real, they are not a reality but they
sure are real. Then we get a collective
trauma and when there is a collective
trauma the whole society suffers not
only the soldiers. This is a unique and
Ben mentioned it earlier. This is a
unique unprecedented
uh situation. Let's move please to the
next slide Natalie.
So let's h get a short overview of what
is what is PTSD. So PTSD post-traumatic
stress disorder in order to have it with
the person would present
between two to four usually all four of
the following symptom clusters.
intrusion. He will feel he will have
flashbacks, flashbacks, nightmares,
dissociations when he re relive the
trauma.
Avoidance. He will do his best to avoid
memories, talks and places that has to
do with the trauma, negative changes in
cognition and mood. He will suffer
immense guilt and shame feelings
and
probably depression
and lastly
elevated arosal hypervigilance
irritability anger burst and this
irritability this arosal I saw it as a
clinical psychologist in my clinic it's
devastating families all families when
when the men or the woman usually
There are men. It's a it's a gender
gender issue. The men come back with
trauma post trauma. The family will get
ruined. They will vi become violent and
we saw many many families destroyed. So
it is very important for our next topic
here. Let's move please for the next
slide.
Okay. So I can say that it's a
collective trauma because I as a theor
theoretician and psychologist I believe
it's a collective trauma. I gave you the
reasons but data does not lie. So let's
look at the ta at the data. Look at the
upper row. PTSD the average prevalence
in the whole world is 3.5%.
It's a lot. It means that 3.5% of the
world population at any given moment are
suffering for PTSD. It's a lot.
Schizophrenia is only 1%. This is 3.5%.
But look what happens in Israel. Israel
before October 7. 16%. I don't remember
who said it. Maybe Ben, maybe Tal, maybe
Omar, maybe all three. But one of of you
for sure said that Israel is a special
country. I think tal all the time we're
under under juress. So look, Israel is
16% average. It's five times more than
the world average.
But now look what happened since October
7. The 16% were doubled. It's now almost
32%.
So this for me is the proof that we are
confronting a collective trauma. with
depression and anxiety. The same
picture. We won't go over it. We don't
have time. But you can take a look and
you will see it's the same picture.
Seven of October was a changing point.
Next slide please. Natalie
and I will add that according to
estimations
for half a million of Israeli society,
civil society will suffer from PTSD in
the next years. Half a million at least.
Okay.
So,
Omar Omar explained how crucial it is to
engage the post-traumatic
trajectory trajectory and to prevent it
or at least to try to uh uh
weaken it a little bit. So, let's see.
We have to understand how it is this
developing. So every person, every one
of us, men and women that is confronting
a traumatic event like someone, someone
almost ran over me with the car, some
some dog barked at me, someone honked or
someone went up to me and threatened me.
This is a stressful traumatic event. We
call this ASR, acute stress response.
Everyone will feel it. This is not a
problem. This is not a psychiatric
diagnosis. This is a survival normal
adaptive reaction. However, if it stays
persists for three days at least up to
one month, the second row, this becomes
a diagnosis, a psychiatric diagnosis,
ASD, acute stress disorder. And what is
very interesting here is if you look if
the traumatic event was caused by nature
or by accident like for example a flood
or earthquake or by car accident.
So about 20% of the people who
confronted a traumatic experience will
develop ASD. But if the atrocity was
performed by humans, by people with
malicious intention like we have with
the kamas terrorists and with Iran, then
up to 50% of people that will confront
this stressor or this trauma will
develop ASD.
So this is what we are dealing here.
Post-traumatic stress disorder is if if
the ASD
is
keeping to to be present more than one
month.
Now
sometimes we will not see anything on
the person on the warrior on the person
but after six months you will
h develop the the post-traumatic stress
syndrome. If it takes at least six
months and up to many years. I had a
patient that after 30 years it was for
yonipur war 73 war and after 30 years
the first time he experienced PTSD
full-blown PTSD. So this is called
delayed onset PTSD. This is one of our
major challenges in rising heroes to
prevent the delayed onset to work on
time and chronic PTSD is whenever it
whenever it present more than 12 months
regardless of the timing it considers
chronic PTSD very very difficult almost
impossible to heal. Let's move to the
next slide please. So I stress this this
trajectory because it's crucial for us
for you to understand how crucial it is
to intervene on time what what Omar
mentioned so so so
precisely so the unique story of war
life balance Ben mentioned the war life
balance so usually as I mentioned um the
soldiers fight at the front and they
come home to a calming supporting stable
uh uh routine family community. Natalie,
the next one please.
However, we are dealing with collective
trauma. So when those warriors of reser
comes back home after the deployment
turn,
they will not meet a calm wife and a
relaxed children. and they will meet a
family and a community under duress that
suffers itself from a severe trauma.
Next, please Nataline.
Thank you. Therefore, it's a unique
situation. When I came back from Lebanon
war, I came back to my kibbuts to my
family and I could lean on them. They
supported me. I could trusted them
because they were okay. But now when
Omar and his friends and let alone Tal
and his friends of course
coming back they are coming to a
shattered destabilized society. So as
absurdic as it might sound they find
themselves at the ones who needs to
support they cannot lean on and be
supported. They need to support.
Okay it's very important to understand
this distinction. Next slide please.
Now regarding veterans Omar and his
friends,
we know by research that increased
deployments increase the risk of severe
PTSD. And Omar and his friends are doing
again and again deployment turns. Maybe
two, maybe three, maybe four, maybe
five, maybe even six, maybe more on in
these two years. So they are at high
risk to develop ASD and then PTSD and
then chronic PTSD.
Intervention. We know we researchers, we
clinical psychologists, we know that
intervention should be uh produced both
before the deployment. This is specific
research on veterans on on soldiers
before the deployment, during the
deployment and after the deployment.
when there are multiple deployments like
Ome and his friends and Israel reseries.
So whenever you put your foot in like
rising heroes are doing you are both
after before and sometimes even during a
deployment. So needless to say how
crucial this intervention is also
according to uh established research.
So tragically I would say sadly
veterans on their own accord tend to
approach for help
to initiate helpseeking only 12 years
after last deployment. when they do it
already 75% of veterans are diagnosed
with fullblown PTSD usually chronic PTSD
almost beyond recovery.
You can try to help them of course
but the resources invested are huge and
the benefits are relatively modest and
it is tragic situation. Let's move to
the So I would say our mission the he
mission of rising heroes is to intervene
rapidly on time
on on stage and not to wait until the
post-traumatic uh syndrome getting
consolidated in the brain because it is
important to say this is not a
psychological disorder alone. This is a
neuro uh uh heo uh pharmacological
disorder. We know that there are changes
in the neurochemistry and in the
structure of the brain. So it is very
difficult to reverse this process once
it is established. However, if you
prevent it, if you intervene, if you
engage before it was consolidated,
the chances are very very good to
prevent it or at least to significantly
amilarate or reduce its devastating
impact. Last slide, please.
Oh, not yes. So I go back to my first
slide to conclude and I would like to
ask the question who we who this
Archimedes can be. Who can take the role
of Archimedes to stand outside the
trauma and help the reser
to lift the agony to lift to raise to
release of of of the mental pain. So for
their families it's them they coming
back home and they have to support the
families
for them for the reserveists Natalie
next please
is us rising heroes and other volunteers
but who will be our medis who will be
the archimedis for us the next one
please
who who do it for us for us. Next one
is you.
And at this point, I want to join Omar's
concluding comment or words.
uh you are our
for us to help the reservist for them to
help their families and communities and
to keep Israeli society healthy and not
post-traumatized.
This is the link and you are
crucial and valuable
um part of this h of this league. maybe
the most valuable part of this link.
Last slide. Thank you very much,
doctor. Thank you very very much. Um,
greatly appreciate um your incredible
words. As you saw, the Q&A was in the
box below and I saw that Omar and others
took the initiative to answer in the
Q&A. So, anybody who also has a question
whilst we are doing the final part of
this, please feel free to drop your
question in the Q&A and people will
answer directly. Um, again, friends, the
opportunity to stand up and help is
here. Uh, and I strongly strongly
recommend all of you jump on that and do
that. Um, we have and we're going to ask
everybody um for a few closing words uh
on this wonderful evening's event. Um,
Tal, let's start with you.
>> Yeah. So, I I would just want to share
my my appreciation for everyone here
in the the
share or
share attempt to to to
to help and assist. um to to hear Omar.
It's the first time I'm I'm hearing him
and I have so much appreciation and
gratitude uh to those soldiers that
protecting us daily and and were there
to to to try to to help us and rescue us
and and to protect our future.
And uh with them I I I see and and I
feel in in my community also the the
necessity
uh to also help them back and to see
that
they will have the the power and
strength and and ability to keep doing
it because we have no other option than
to secure our future and to fight back.
So, so we will have a a a proper life
and a future for our children and and
nation.
>> Thank you very very much Omar.
>> So to sum up uh I would like to say of
course thank you to to Tal on the
inspiring words.
Again I'm humbled to speak alongside
you. I want to thank Ben and uh to all
of the great people at Rising Heroes and
all of the great people behind the
scenes that uh allowed me to come and uh
speak on what's on my mind
and to come and share this experience
with you guys this evening. And I want
to thank you because uh you're going to
be the face of the future of this
program. You're going to you're going to
decide if it's going to continue and
being a better place to combat fighters
like me to come and and become better
for their families, for our nation, for
our people in all of the all of the
things yet to come.
And thank you. I was honored to speak
here.
Thank you very very much. Omar doctor
final words.
>> Yeah. So I I hope and my hope will got
stronger after this evening that with
people like Tal and Om we will be able
to cope with the collective trauma and
to keep Israeli society
I would say better and out of the pit
and I'm more optimistic tonight. Thank
you very much for all of you.
Thank you Dr. Ben.
>> Thank you. And I would like to start
with uh this great appreciation to all
of you. Thank you Johnny for hosting
this style Omar. This is a great
privilege
to you guys. This is the shield of an
Israel. This is our mission. Israel have
a great and important mission to rise
from everything that started two years
ago and everything that we've been
through. This is clearly our mission to
help every individual to rise under the
pressure or to rise alongside the trauma
and the pressure that we all experience.
And this is the future of Israel. I
encourage you to take an action to share
to support to ask any information that
uh still left here and you would like to
ask we'll be very happy to answer and
please uh we shared all the details
really feel free to reach out. Thank you
all for staying with us.
Thank you all very very much. And you
know I'm going to I'm going to close
this by jumping on to something that
everybody here has said. And
we we spoke this evening a lot about
everybody in Israel and what everybody
Israel is facing and the importance of
helping and supporting Israel and all to
all of our wonderful friends who are
watching this around the world. I don't
think there are many Israelis awake at
this time. So I presume that most of you
watching this are going to be around the
world.
I know all of you know this already, but
it's important to stress that Israel
isn't just important as a far away
thing. Israel is the safety net for Jews
all around the world. Israel is what
provides all of you with your safety and
security wherever you may be. And the
difficulty that every Israeli has faced
as the doctor said so clearly is immense
and it is difficult and it is tricky and
all of us are navigating with it and
negotiating with it and trying to figure
out how we move on. Tal spoke about the
importance of not just understanding how
we help hostages but their families as
well. Omar spoke about the individual
soldiers and all of us in Israel
understand the need for this support and
love and I can tell you as a father of
two young beautiful girls who are asleep
just in the room over there who I'm
probably waking up by speaking to loudly
they also have experienced PTSD and also
experienced this trauma. They also
experience this difficulty as we all
have of being here at this time. And
it's organizations like these who are
really helping and supporting and are
making sure that everybody gets taken
care of and help as much as they
possibly can. And to help organizations
like this, we all need to step up and do
our part because
without our support, they won't be able
to reach as many people as they possibly
could. And they do need to reach many,
many, many more people. So many people
need their help. And this responsibility
falls on all of us, friends. As you saw,
it's in the chat, it's in the Q&A, it's
everywhere. The link to the website,
rising-heroes.org,
and how you can donate and how you can
take part in helping support this
phenomenal, phenomenal organization. As
I said before, it's a 501c3, meaning
your donation is entirely taxdeductible.
You can also check out their website,
email them, look them up. They're very
responsive and they're happy to answer
all of the questions that you have.
Friends, thank you all very very much
for being here this evening. Thank you
for taking part in what was a
fascinating and important webinar. And
as always, uh we hope to be able to come
back with even more good news. And I
know that on behalf of all of us, we
send all of our prayers to our soldiers
who are still standing there on the
front lines who are taking care and
protecting our country. And our minds
and hearts are with all the hostages who
have returned and are thinking of those
12 hostages that still remain in Gaza.
As we know, hopefully one was released
this evening, a slain hostage. We're
still waiting for that information.
whether it's 12 or 13, our prayers are
with their families that they are
returned speedily and their families are
able to get the closure that they need.
That is our prayer. That is our hope.
And it's through helping organizations
like Rising Heroes that were able to
play our part in making the world just a
little bit better. From me, from all of
us, good night.