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the way here, my computer fell out of my
hands. The good news is I was able to
grab this plate.
I had it seriously.
I didn't realize what I was holding. Two
things just came out, so I grabbed the
plate, my computer fell down and broke.
So, that's the good news. I got the
plate, baruch Hashem, unharmed.
Um
So, that's why we're a couple minutes
late. So, min Hashamayim, we don't we're
not supposed to finish the daf today.
Today's shiur is being sponsored by
Yossi Klein from Superior Plumbing in
Monsey. Thank you for all you do for
klal Yisrael. He actually
just sent an email the other day. Maybe
I'll read it later.
Uh that he wants to host the siyum in
Monsey, represent Monsey. So,
we're going to be discussing that. We
have to come up with a plan, and we'll
divvy it up.
We have a very appropriate email, just
one email just for today because today
is Shiva Asar B'Tammuz.
I received this email a couple days ago
from Lev. You probably remember him.
He's in the process of giyur in South
Africa. Dear Rabbi, I felt your tears
this morning. The whole pandemic has
been very a very big learning curve for
me in terms of Yiddishkeit. The day I
can go back to shul, I will treat the
shul with more reverence and awe, and be
more appreciative
and grateful. Sorry.
Better?
I must confess of two of my sins. I'm a
very foolish person. I could never
Lev is he's on YouTube every day. I mean
on Zoom. You could see him. He's there.
He's he's a great guy. Listen to what he
says.
He can never relate to Tisha B'Av. I
never understand the mourning of the
Beis Hamikdash and could never relate to
it. Why I say I'm a foolish person?
Because I've never wanted Mashiach to
come because it's not in my interest. I
still want He's saying a very good
ta'anah. I still want to complete my
conversion, learn Torah, find a
shidduch, stand under a chuppah and get
married, and raise children in the ways
of Hashem, and have grandchildren,
great-grandchildren
who follow Hashem, and I myself would
like to become a talmid chacham. I know
if Mashiach comes, this can never
happen.
May Hashem forgive me for this. I can
never mourn the Beis Hamikdash because I
never understood the concept of it and
its rev
relevance. But now Hashem has taught me
this through lockdown. Shuls have been
closed, and there are no minyanim
anymore. Life was a paradise in Olam
Haba before lockdown. Every day we went
to shul before work, and after work we
came back to shul and stayed late for
learning, and at night we would learn
the daf. Now that everything has
stopped, I'm heartbroken.
I can now understand why the rabbis
mourn the Beis Hamikdash and why they
want Mashiach. If going to shul brings
such joy. Listen to this.
Guy from South Africa. Going to shul
brings such joy. I can only imagine what
having a Beis Hamikdash feels like.
Based on this, I no longer care about
serving my own self and
interest, religious and spirit
inspirations, and I want Hashem's
I want Hashem's will, and I pray that
things should go back to normal and go
back to shul and for one day to see
Mashiach and rebuild the Beis Hamikdash.
Lev, you have a valid email.
All right.
We have a lot of work,
but be'ezras Hashem, by tomorrow we'll
be caught up. Very short daf.
So, we learned the Mishnah that if you
have a kli that
broke,
so we have a machlokes
what exactly need to do. Let's see if I
have that picture.
According to the Tanna Kamma, you don't
have to use that kli, the broken piece,
for the original use. Even if it has
some other use, like you could
plug up a a bottle It could be a bottle
cap that's also
good enough for a kli, and according to
Rebbi Yehudah, it has to be
valid. It has to be kli for the same
exact reason it started out. So, if it's
a bowl, you have to be able to put some
cereal in it, something. You can't just
say, "Oh,
it's a bowl, and I'm going to use it
for
a a bottle cap."
Says the Gemara like this. We're holding
by Gemara Omer Rebbi Yehudah Mishmuel
machlokes kuf kaf dalet amud beis by the
Gemara. Today's daf is kuf kaf hei amud
alef.
It'll be a nice if we turn the page.
That's where we That's our goal. Omer
Rebbi Yehudah Mishmuel machlokes she
nishberu me'erev Shabbos.
The whole machlokes is when did this
bowl plate break? Erev Shabbos.
The mar sover Rebbi Yehudah holds me'ein
melachto in me'ein melacha acheres lo.
It has to retain its same purpose.
U'mar sover, otherwise,
if it doesn't retain the same purp the
same melacha, then it's not a kli
anymore.
It's a broken vessel. It loses its shem
kli.
U'mar sover, af ilu me'ein melacha
acheres, it's not true. Chachamim say,
even if it can't do exactly the same
thing as it did before, it's still a
kli. A kli is a kli.
Avel nishberu b'Shabbos. So, this is the
hava amina of the Gemara. If it broke on
This is because it broke before Shabbos.
But if it broke on Shabbos itself, de'ei
hu kamutaran. Why? If it broke on
Shabbos, hu muchan agavim mutar. Since
Shabbos came in,
and it was a kli, it was part of a kli.
So, yes, it broke,
but I don't lose a shem kli over
Shabbos. That's what the Gemara
understood. Most of Reb Zutra, he Reb
Zutra asked, masikin b'keilim. It says
that on Yom Tov, you could use So, you
have here. This is a wooden kli, right?
I got something wood from home.
Baruch Hashem, it saved. It didn't break
like my computer.
I'm allowed to take this, toss it into a
fire on Yom Tov.
Ve'ein masikin b'shivre keilim. If this
piece broke off,
so I cannot use this
for fuel, for firewood. Why? Because
this is muktzeh. Everybody agrees that
this little piece is muktzeh. I can't do
anything with it.
Says the Gemara, "D'nishberu eimas?" Let
me ask you a question. When did it
break? You're telling me that in our
Mishnah, it broke before Shabbos. So,
what about here? D'nishberu eimas? Eilu
me'erev Yom Tov.
If it broke
on erev Yom Tov, it's ba'al minyan. What
is the problem?
What's wrong with this? This is firewood
like any other firewood.
Ela la b'Yom Tov. It must be that it
broke on Yom Tov. U'ktani masikin
b'keilim ve'ein masikin b'shivre keilim.
Yet it says you cannot use this.
Now,
in other words, we don't say the concept
that, "Oh, if it broke on Shabbos, it's
muchan agavim."
We said before that in our Mishnah, it
seems like if it broke on Shabbos, this
is considered a kli. Why? Because when
Shabbos came in,
it was one kli, and just because it
broke,
the the name kli remains on it. All of a
sudden now on Yom Tov, the name kli
doesn't remain on it? There's no man
d'amar that holds that according to you.
Says the Gemara, "You're right.
Therefore, I have to switch our Mishnah
to make sense of that Mishnah." Ela
idmar achi idmar. Omer Rebbi Yehudah
Mishmuel machlokes b'she nishberu
b'Shabbos. Where is machlokes Rebbi
Yehudah and Chachamim when the kli broke
on Shabbos? Rebbi Yehudah says this is
not considered a kli, this broken piece,
unless it can function as its original
function and function as a plate or as a
bowl.
The mar sover, the Tanna Kamma holds
muchanu.
At the end of the day, when Shabbos came
in, this little piece was part of a kli.
So, this little piece doesn't lose its
name kli over Shabbos. U'mar sover,
nolad.
Says Rebbi Yehudah, there's a new
halacha called nolad.
Nolad was born today on Shabbos. This
little piece was part of a kli. But this
little piece broke on Shabbos. It became
a new kli. Before, it was part of a
plate.
Now, it's only good, let's say, to
scrape something. So, it's it's a new
kli. It was created today on Shabbos. Uh
anything that's created on Shabbos is
Rebbi Yehudah is nolad, was born, and a
born thing is is muktzeh. We're going to
see Reb Shimon argues on him, but Rebbi
Yehudah holds it's muktzeh. If it's
muktzeh, I cannot use it, and I cannot
on Yom Tov also. I can't throw it into
the fire cuz it's muktzeh.
Avel me'erev Shabbos.
So, the exact reverse of how we started
the sugya.
In the beginning of the sugya, we said
on Shabbos there's no machlokes. Now
we're saying on erev Shabbos there's no
machlokes. De'ei hu kamutaran. Why? Hu
muchan l'melachto u'l'melacha acheres
lo. piece now became a piece of firewood
before Shabbos, and then may like could
touch it on Shabbos.
Tani chada on Yom Tov. Tani chada
masikin b'keilim ve'ein masikin b'shivre
keilim.
So, let's just say this outside real
quickly. Very simple sugya. We have
Rebbi Yehudah we just mentioned. Rebbi
Yehudah holds this little piece is
called nolad. So,
according to Rebbi Yehudah, this large
kli
is not muktzeh on Yom Tov. Why? I could
take this and throw it into the fire. I
could toss my wooden bowl into a fire.
This, on the other hand, according to
Rebbi Yehudah, is 100% muktzeh because
this is called nolad.
Now, we have another man d'amar.
Reb Shimon says this is not muktzeh,
obviously.
And this is not muktzeh. If this is not
muktzeh, certainly the big one is not
muktzeh. Why is this not muktzeh
according to Reb Shimon? Reb Shimon
doesn't hold of muktzeh. He's very
lenient in muktzeh. He holds of muktzeh,
but he doesn't hold of the concept
nolad. Nolad is not muktzeh. So, this is
not muktzeh. So, I could toss this into
the fire on Yom Tov. Now, we have a
third shita that even this big kli, it
you're not allowed to toss it into the
fire Yom Tov. What could be the reason
for that?
This is Reb Nechemia. Reb Nechemia, as
we had yesterday, the day before,
any kli
must be used only for its original
designation. Now, this is designated to
eat from, not to toss into the fire.
Says Reb Nechemia, "I have no permission
to lift this up and toss it into the
fire because that's muktzeh right now.
You could pick it up and bring it to the
table to eat, but you cannot pick it up
and put it into the fire because it's
not its original shimus. Let's see the
Gemara inside. Tani chada." So, we have
a three-way contradiction in the braisa.
One braisa says masikin b'keilim. What
are you showing me?
Mazel tov. Gary got my computer to work
again. Brand new as if nothing happened.
We
have Gary. Unbelievable. What a shame.
I could hear you.
What? You have something intelligent to
say?
That's amazing.
It's amazing you could hear you. It's
it's great. You should know that
somebody told me yesterday
that
when we went back to the base of
marriage
he stopped watching zoom.
Why? Because we don't have Avi, he tells
me. That's what he like, what?
You like those comments in the middle?
He goes, yeah, I like I like the you
were talking to zoom when you're home,
you're talking to zoom. When we had Avi,
we had no one.
You go to be smart, you ignore us
completely on zoom. I'm not I said watch
it later on YouTube. That's what he
tells me. Okay.
So Avi, people love you. Don't take all
that criticism. You have to have thick
skin when you're popular like Avi,
people are going to go after you.
So we have one brother says it says you
could use this as firewood but not the
broken pieces. That we said goes
according to
that the broken pieces not allowed.
brother says you could say you could say
you could say you could say you could
say You could touch broken pieces.
That's
doesn't hold up my lord. There's no
time you the third one. You must be
seeking like
you must be seeking like You just gave
me a look like how could that be? How
could this be on your the answer is
You
are the one that
holds that if I move any clay it must be
moved only for its original designation
for its original usage and since you
want to throw a perfectly good clay into
the garbage into the fire
like a big default it looks like in the
background there's a big fire that's a
big fire. So that is also to do.
I need I need to tell you
You have these stones, bricks. You're on
a construction site. Building is
finished. Left over material. You're
allowed to move them on shabbos. Why?
The misgaliu.
Because they are
to sit on. I can make a chair. You going
back in the day, you know what I'm
saying? They didn't have these
comfortable chairs.
A nice stone is perfect. Even though
it's like this size, so it's a good
chair.
Once you pile them up nicely, then
then he's showing hey, he's taking it to
the next building site. This is not a
chair anymore. This is a a proper stone
also to move.
Small piece of earthenware.
What can I do with this?
Well, in the I have many usages for it.
I have a lot of bottles
that need caps here like in this
picture. So any piece of earthenware I
can use right over here to to cover a
bottle. Great.
So he
says in the name of this is a law.
What
are you going to
do in a very large street like our
streets? Then it's not
no bottles laying around, no purpose for
this. Mukta. In other words, he changes
between place and place.
Sorry.
No water today.
I
will be
so
argues on
and he says, hey, I can use this if I'm
sitting around in the with my buddies on
a bench and there's some nice spit on
the ground. I'll take this piece and
cover the spit so it's nice for us.
Rather comes along and says
that logically, forget about the usage.
Logically, if this is a good clay in my
backyard, so clay is a clay is a clay. I
don't care if I take this clay If you
take a pen, a pen is a is a proper clay
in the office. So you take it
it's not a clay anymore. This is rather
doesn't make sense.
There's some problem. As soon as you get
up, there's issues.
You can move slower, it's not a problem.
We'll wait.
Yeah.
Beautiful
story. The
brother was walking says the name of the
street says it's a marketplace like
he's walking on the street
in the in his city.
His
shoes got full of mud. That was the
thing, you know, they didn't have paved
roads.
Listen, this is
one of the jumps, grabs a piece of like
this, a sharp thing, grabs shoe, starts
scraping off
the mud.
Nothing's
changed everybody says. It's the same
thing today. I'm saying the ON THE
BACKGROUND SHABBOS SHABBOS.
THIS IS RATHER the other He's not saying
anything to this brother.
They said they come and scream shabbos.
They're screaming.
He said beautifully let me style it
it's not bad enough that you never
learned in your life. You
also teaching other people your that you
don't know. Unbelievable.
So he explains to them. If
we were in a backyard in a courtyard in
the front yard, me have a
no no this little piece is good to cover
something. How can I have you do this?
So this is a clay. If there's a clay I
don't care I'm in a just a rabbin.
Go ahead, use it. It's a clay for me.
Remember
this line. Somehow we have to
What's the line? It's
not enough that you don't know anything.
You
teach other people your your your
scream shabbos like this.
Read
this. Just read these words with a
translation. See that's not so partial.
means
a barrel lid means
that it broken to shreds.
That's not the
the is
the lid is 100% intact. The
harvest is all.
So let's read it again. A
lid of a barrel
that the barrel broke into pieces.
That's not the regular meaning. He's
forced to say this. So
the lid
you're allowed to carry it, you're
allowed to move it on shabbos. I would
think since it has no usage, it's a
bottle cap that the bottle disappeared.
The bottle is broken. So what am I going
to do with a bottle cap? Imagine you
open up a bottle of wine one of these
not the fancy bottles. The one that have
a
a removable
what do you call it? cap. Screw a screw
screw top. Thanks. You remove it and
then all of a sudden the bottle falls on
the floor and breaks. Now what are you
going to do with this screw top?
Nothing. It's garbage. Has zero purpose
right now.
So I think the same thing. This
this lid has no purpose now. You're
allowed to move it on shabbos. I'm
walking. Again
the barrel broke. He
moved the shabbos. You're allowed to
move the
carry all the broken pieces of the
barrel.
Why?
Says
says the brother and don't take that
piece of broken barrel and and smooth it
out.
You want to make it a nice smooth cover
for something.
That's called make it a
also.
Now
I'm going to put this on the as a shim
for my bed. if I took this this
barrel cover and threw it into the
garbage can?
By me throwing in the garbage can, I
just made it into
mukta.
I I reduced it from a clay to a non clay
by putting in the garbage. Putting in
the garbage I just said I just stated to
the world I don't want this anymore. If
I
throw
it out to the garbage I throw it
If I take my shirt and throw it into the
garbage how can I do this?
I just take my shirt because I I
announced the world that I don't want it
anymore so it became garbage. My garbage
is somebody else's shirt. Oh, why is
that why is that a how did I remove the
name of a clay from it by putting in the
garbage?
Now read this together with me and tell
me how you learn shabbos.
Hello my papa. If
I threw it out to the garbage I threw
what out?
The the the shirt that we're talking
about?
The cover that we're talking about. Why?
Because you're looking in the school.
Why? So so let me okay great. So you
looked you looked in the school. I
appreciate that. So if you throw the
cover out into the garbage before
shabbos, it's not a clay anymore. And
what if I threw a shirt out into the
garbage on shabbos? What's the law?
So because you have to be
because the says that if I throw the
cover into the garbage, the cover is not
a clay anymore. Much from the school
that if I throw a shirt into the garbage
shabbos, it remains a shirt. Only a
cover doesn't remain. In fact, that's
what says the God from this.
So it doesn't work if I throw a shirt
into the garbage even on Thursday, it's
still a clay. I can't take a perfectly
good hammer and throw it into the
garbage can and say, oh, it's not a clay
anymore because I threw it in the
garbage. It's a hammer. I don't care
where you put it. It's a hammer. So if I
take a shirt and throw it in the
garbage, it's still a shirt. Now, a big
enough gamira for us lahalacha
let's say a Coke bottle. I'm done with
the Coke bottle.
So, if I throw it out on Friday,
so I'm saying it's not a clay anymore.
But on Shabbos, I cannot reduce it into
a non-clay, so it remains a clay. But
here's what's very, very interesting. I
found this fascinating. What about a
plastic cup?
A plastic cup on Shabbos. I drank from
it.
I'm done with it. It's on the table. My
wife is about to take that disposable
tablecloth and throw it into the
garbage. What halacha does this plastic
cup have? Is it a clay
or is it done? I'm done with it. It's
garbage.
Machlokes Reb Zalman Auerbach and
Reb Elyashiv.
Reb Elyashiv says, "Since bishas hachak,
if I run out of dishes, I don't have
anything, I could take that plastic cup
and give it a nice rinse, and I know
people that do it." They say safe. In
fact,
I'll tell you this maiseh. I I actually
came prepared with this cuz when I was
reading it as
I remembered a great maiseh. It's a very
long maiseh. I'm not going to say it cuz
we're very, very short on time, but it's
a great maiseh. There was a guy that
actually was able to get to me, a
Yerushalmi guy. My father told him to
come to me and he My father asked me if
I could open up the door for him
at I forgot what time, maybe 8:30 at
night or something. And at 2:00 in the
morning, the guy was still in my house,
refused to leave. So, what happened was
that his wife was dying from cancer, and
his daughter was getting married in a
month or something, whatever, something
like that. I remember he had no money,
and he's a rebbe, a very popular rebbe
in Beit Shemesh.
So, he said I So, then he left. I said,
"Okay,
I'll help you out." So, he left, and
then I realized, "Wait a minute. It's
like 2:00 in the morning." I said, "How
are you getting home?" He goes, "I'll
walk." But he lives, you know, miles
from my house. So, I drove him home.
That was a big mistake cuz when I got to
his house, he said, "You have to come
into my house." So, I came into his
house,
and I couldn't believe it. He took me
into his bed into the kids' bedroom, and
this wasn't prepared.
And this is what I have a picture of. I
took a picture.
This is a picture that I made $50,000
with cuz I went the next week to
America. I decided, "Okay, I'm going to
help this guy out." I flew to America
with Mayor Koenig,
and we collected money. In 3 days, he
collected $50,000 for this guy
with this picture. Here's the picture.
It's eight children. Well, in the
picture, you only see six. Here's a
child in a stroller. That's how they
sleep. Here's three boys in one bed. 1 2
3. This is how a Yerushalmi family
lives.
So, I took this picture, and people
couldn't believe it, and they gave the
money, and it turns out that the wife
was nifter right before the wedding, 7
days before the wedding. During shiva, I
think, that was the wedding. What?
So, why am I saying this story? Because
it's a very long story. But
they asked me to do sheva brachas for
him after I raised the money and
everything. So, I did sheva brachas in
my house.
And I'm done with the sheva brachas. We
took all the We bought very nice dishes,
you know, chat pami, disposable dishes.
Threw it all out.
He says, "Uh-uh-uh, we don't do that."
He went to the garbage and took all the
garbage out, all the dishes, all the
plastic and everything and everything,
and he brought it home dirty, and he
washed rinsed it out, and he tells me
that he has a gemach
for these dishes. These are so
beautiful, these dishes, even though
they're they're chat pami,
they use it in his neighborhood. So,
says Reb Elyashiv, going back to this,
says Reb Elyashiv that if it's a chat
pami, it's a it's disposable dish,
that I could wash it bishas hachak like
that guy bishas hachak. So, therefore,
it's considered a clay. For some reason,
that went off.
Every bell is
and water tank is
So,
is Does that mean they don't hear me
anymore?
They do? Okay.
But Reb Zalman Auerbach says,
"Once you're done using it, it's
garbage, garbage, even on Shabbos."
Shalom.
Okay.
Says the Gemara top of kuf kuf hey.
Im zarkam abei dyay lashpa asuro. If he
threw it
into the garbage, this thing into the
garbage abei dyay, which reminds me of
another story, but we don't have time.
I'll say it anyways
just to get Noam upset.
Elchanan Fine Stone borrowed all my ski
clothes. I hope he's watching. He's the
guy that almost died from corona. We
sang tehillim for him.
He asked me if he could borrow my ski
clothes. I said, "Yes."
All my ski clothes, my goggles,
everything everything everything.
And then he comes back from ski trips. I
call him up like 2 days later. I said,
"Elchanan, can I have my clothes back? I
have to go." He goes, "I gave it back to
you." I said, "No, you didn't." He says,
"Yeah, I put it in front of your door."
It turns out he put it in a garbage bag
in front of my door. So, my cleaning
lady took the garbage bag and tossed it
into the garbage. And there went all my
ski clothes.
Im zarkam abei dyay. So, I was moichel
him Fine, I was moichel him when he was
about to die from corona. I said, "Okay,
fine. I'll be moichel you this time."
Omer Reb Shmuel,
your Now, your compu- Look, his computer
just died. The funniest thing. He made
my computer work,
but it's working through my computer.
Great.
It is working, but just no screen. No
screen.
These computers, they're both the same
computers, by the way. They they felt
Omer Bar Hamduri Omer Reb Shmuel,
says Bar Hamduri.
Krumiyos shel machtzeles mutal tatum
Shabbos. You have a reed mat, and parts
of it fall out, little pieces. We're
talking about
broken pieces of keilim. You're allowed
to move them on Shabbos mai ta'ama? Omer
Rebba Bar Hamduri Azberli. Hamduri
explained to me machtzeles gufan mai
chazi. What do you do with a reed mat?
Look, you see bei afra. Cover or
something with it. Cover, let's say,
there's waste on the floor, so you put
dirt on it. You don't want the dirt to
fly away. You cover it. Hadei nami chazi
bei afra ulitnei fes. So, this these
small pieces also
are there to
cover
waste or whatever.
Says the Gemara Omer Reb Zeira Omer Rav,
shiyurei prizmei oyis asur tatum
Shabbos.
Rav says
that if you have a tallis shel mitzvah,
says Rashi, big enough gamira. It's not
just a garment. It's a mitzvah clothing.
In other words, I go to shul with it.
So, the leftovers not allowed to move it
on Shabbos. Meaning, it's a very Says
the Gemara Omer Abayei ben Matlonya
asheim ben Gimel Gimel, lo lechazin
lelanim velelashim. We're talking about
very small uh pieces of the tallis that
are less than three fingers by three
fingers. Even a poor person throws it
out. However, what Rashi's trying to say
here is that since it's a tallis shel
mitzvah, you don't do things with it.
But let's say it's another type of
clothing, you would be able to use it
less than three by three to to to wipe
something down or whatever.
Tanu Rabbanan, shivrei tanur yashan
haram kechol hakeilim mutal tatum
Shabbos. So, now we're going into a
sugia of tanur.
So, in those days, just to explain
what's going on here, in those days,
they took a cylinder of earthenware. It
was open on the top, open on the bottom,
and they
put it on the ground, and they would put
clay all around the bottom, so it was
one with the ground. Now, you throw some
coals into the bottom of the cylinder.
The coals are laying on the ground. Lo
meshaneh.
All the heat is stuck in the cylinder
because you already put clay on the
bottom of it. And then you put food on
the top or bread on the sides, like like
this picture. Put bread on the side.
It's not important what you do.
The issue is
whether or not the heat is contained in
the cylinder. So,
if it's on the ground and you put clay,
it's contained.
There's another way to do it, and that
is you
You have a hole in the ground, and you
put this cylinder in the hole in the
ground. Now, many times, the hole in the
ground is slightly larger than the
cylinder. So, you have to
put it in a shim made out of a stone.
You put in a shim. This red guy is a
shim.
But what does that mean? It means that
all around the the top surface, there's
room for the heat to to escape.
So, it's not really giving you It's not
delivering the full amount of heat
because it's not a pure It's not a good
seal on top.
So, says the Gemara, shivrei tanur
yashan. Tanur yashan just means that if
you took this piece of earthenware,
it's not a real oven until you heat it
up for the first time. We know that,
right? What happens when you heat it up
for the first time? It hardens, it
becomes a clay.
So, yashan in this It doesn't mean it's
25 years old. Yashan means it's past
that stage of hardening. It's In other
words, it already had hesek rishon. It
was already heated up one time.
Shivrei tanur yashan haram kechol
hakeilim mutal tatum Shabbos.
So, if you have broken pieces, so
says Reb Meir De Reb Meir, Reb Meir says
these pieces, you could do whatever you
want. You could cover bottles with them.
It's part of a clay, and the clay
remains a clay even though it broke. So,
I could use it for bottle caps. Reb
Yehuda Omer, einam talin. No. So, the
Gemara is going to explain what the
machlokes is. Reb Yehuda says you cannot
move them. They are muktzeh. Heid Reb
Yehuda ben Shmuel Reb Yehuda ben Yaakov.
Who's Reb Yehuda ben Yaakov? Kavanaki.
Mishnas Kavanaki all over shas. Whatever
he says is perfect, that's the halacha.
So, if you have a testimony from him,
it's good stuff. Heid Reb Yehuda ben
Shmuel Reb Yehuda ben Yaakov al shivrei
tanur yashan she einam talin beShabbos.
Like Reb Meir, that you could move them
on Shabbos. Val kisuyo ven al halid she
eini tzorich beisiad. You're able to to
move the the path, the the the oven
cover. We'll have a picture of it
tomorrow. Without a handle. You don't
need a picture for this, but you don't
need a handle. I'm able to move it from
the side. I don't need a a handle. I
could pull pick it up without it.
Bemai kamai palgi? What's going on here?
What's the machlokes? Omer Abayei be
einam lach ve einam oisim melacha keman
keman melacha keman palgi. Perhaps this
is a machlokes whether, like Reb Yehuda
says, leshitasei, it has to be able to
perform the same halacha that it
performed before. Now, this this this
tanur is broken. The Reb Yehuda letamei.
A R. Yehudah is the shittah that once it
breaks, now it becomes something new.
Something new is called noilad. Noilad
is a muktzah. R. Meir the tanur And he
says, "No, R. Meir
All of a sudden, we call him R. Meir. If
you notice, in the beginning of the
sugiyah, he had no name.
But R. Meir When it Who argues with R.
Yehudah all the time in shas? It's R.
Yehudah and R. Meir. So, when you have a
stam mishnah, it's R. Meir arguing with
R. Yehudah. So, over here, here's his
name. R. Meir the tanur R. Meir is the
chachamim or he is chachamim who say
that this piece of earthenware
it since it could do something else, it
remains a kli.
Maskif lo Ravo.
E hachi, we have to remember this
question cuz the Gemara is going to go
back to this question and answer it.
Why is their machlokes about an oven?
It's a complicated sugiyah. Oven in the
ground, not in the ground, we'll see
soon.
But it's an oven. Just say any kli in
the world, forget oven. Why are you
limiting this machlokes to an oven?
There's many other kelim called bowls
and plates and everything else that's
made out of earthenware.
Elo amar Rava bishvilei dehai tanur
kamifligei. There's a machlokes in
something completely different in this
sugiyah.
We start explaining it. This not
Mishnah al pi avo, al pi dos. If you
take this cylinder and you put it on top
of a pit, in other words, it's an
extension to my cylinder.
Here's my cylinder in gray and it
extends lower down
for whatever reason.
Venasan sham even and I wedged a stone
between my cylinder and the wall and the
dirt. Here's the red stone
for
demonstration purposes. R. Yehudah omer,
im masik milamata v'nisik milama'alah,
tamei.
If I put a flame on the bottom and
whatever I put on top
becomes is cooked. What if I go away for
four days and my bread is still raw? So,
the flame didn't do anything. V'im lav,
tahor. This oven doesn't have a name of
a kli and it's tahor.
R. Yehudah says, "Any makom tamei." It
doesn't matter. Any way you use it, if
it's becomes tamei, you'll be kamifligei
b'kora. So, the machlokes
starts from this pasuk. That what?
It says in the pasuk
uh tanur d'chireim yutatz.
You have to break. I like the the
There's a very nice word in the
ArtScroll and they translate demolish.
And that's a beautiful word. Why? Cuz
the demolish is not breaking. I
translated myself yutatz to break it,
demolish.
To completely obliterate it. God.
So, if you have an oven and it became
tamei, a sheretz has touched it, it it's
earthenware. What do you do with
earthenware? Nothing. There's no mikvah,
there's nothing. Yutatz, demolish it.
T'meim heim u't'meim yulachem. They are
now
This concept, says the Gemara, of
demolishing something is when it's
attached to the ground, I could demolish
something that's attached to it. What do
you do? You demolish a house.
I don't know that you demolish a cup, a
glass cup. The word "demolish" doesn't
work so well. That's why I like the
word. You demolish, yutatz, fits in very
well. Says R. Yehudah, when it's
attached to the ground, it's part with
the ground.
Heim u't'meim lachem. R. Yehudah says,
"I'm machshir nitza tamei."
So, if it's
part of the ground,
then
it's tamei, it's mekabel tumah. She'eino
machshir nitza tahor.
If it's not it's not part of the ground,
then it's not a kli.
In other words, it has to be mechubar to
the ground. R. Bonan says, "Any makom
yulachem, mikol makom." Either way, it
doesn't have to be mechubar, it's
mekabel tumah. Asks the Gemara, "R.
Bonan, if you say yutatz, what do they
do with this very powerful word,
demolish?" Mashma that it's on the
ground. Amar R. Elazar b. Yakov
R. Bonan said the exact opposite.
They're saying any kli, any tanur is
considered a kli
even if it's attached to the ground. Not
only attached to the ground, even even
if it's attached to the ground, demolish
it.
Says the Gemara,
"The sole k'dei l'chaminah. Why why
would they say this? Why do you need a
word for it?" The keilim chareim b'aretz
guvei d'adamah. Maybe it's not an oven
at all. It's connected to the ground.
So, the ground can't become tamei? So,
it's part and parcel of the ground, part
and parcel of the ground. No tumah.
Kamashma says the pasuk, it's still an
oven, still mekabel tumah.
V'il chanam yochif t'meim yulachem.
Like it's mashma anyway. Acha k'dei R.
Yehudah u'Shmuel d'amar R. Yehudah
u'Shmuel, machlokes b'hezek rishon. The
whole machlokes is
by when you light it up for the first
time, you harden it for the first time.
b'hezek sheini. But once it's hardened
and it's a kli, afilu talui b'tzavar
gamal, it's it's just a it's a mashal.
In other words, it's suspended in
midair. How? On the on the neck of a of
a camel. Whatever the You can suspend it
on anything.
So, since it's
even if it's suspended in the air, since
it was already it had a hesek rishon, it
was already hardened, it's already a
kli,
then
it's mekabel tumah. Amar R. Yehudah,
b'hesek rishon d'R. Bonan
afilu talui
b'tzavar gamal.
So, according to R. Bonan,
no, it's mekabel tumah even
by the first hesek. You don't need a
hesek rishon to be mechubar l'karka.
Maskif lo Rashi. E hachi, ad d'mifligei
bishvilei tanur lifligei b'tanur gufa.
So, why are we talking about broken a
broken oven?
We have a machlokes in oven itself. How
do you make an oven? Has hesek rishon?
Do you need a hesek rishon? Not
So, the whole machlokes is the oven
itself, not nothing to do with broken
pieces of the oven.
Says the Gemara, "Hashata d'guf d'R.
Yehudah l'havan man shvarim b'vaya." He
says that a full oven, full-fledged oven
that's not attached to the ground, you
didn't have a good first
uh hardening, then then it's not a it's
not a it's not an oven. So, certainly
broken pieces.
Elo amar Rav Ashi, "Lo l'gabei amar
mikar." So, we're going back to the
first p'shat. We are talking about an
oven, broken pieces of an oven. Now, you
ask me then,
so why are we talking about broken
broken pieces of an oven? Talk about any
broken piece of any kli, any any
earthenware. Why do you pick oven?
I'll tell you why we picked oven.
There's a special chiddush here.
U'v'eisa ma'aseh tapka.
We're talking about he took a broken
piece of oven.
Here's a broken piece of oven
uh illustrated in brown.
And now he's baking bread
on a flat surface.
Yeah?
Here are the coals underneath flat. So,
what's the chiddush? R. Meir d'var av
d'R. Yehudah.
D'R. Yehudah kamar. Oh, I'm sorry. R.
Meir d'var av d'R. Yehudah kamar. And R.
Meir is talking to R. Yehudah.
He's not machlokes. He's saying,
"L'didi, afilu b'eisa meim lacha. I am
the shittah
that a a broken piece of earthenware
doesn't have to function
as its original use. It could function
as any use. Forget about it. Of course,
this is considered a kli."
Elo d'doh, but according to you, that
you say that it has to function. If a
bowl breaks, you have to put a little
You have to be able to put a little
cereal in it. Okay, so what about this
broken oven? Aren't you going to admit
to me me o d'chachi gavnei m'lachto yu?
Okay, it's a it's a shtikel sideways, a
little crooked, but but it's performing
its original melacha. I'm going to have
nice lafa when I'm done. So, what's
wrong with that?
Says the Gemara,
"R. Yehudah d'dami. No, it's not
performing the same way." Hasam hesek
mibifnim.
Hacha hesek mibifnim mibachutz. Over
there, the flame was inside. Here,
flame inside the oven and over here, the
flame is outside. Another problem is,
I'm sorry, the the bread.
The bread Look at the bread, it's inside
the oven.
Whereas over here, the bread is on top
of the oven, right over here. Another
problem is, hasam umad, hacha lav umad.
Over here, the bread is standing up
vertically.
And over here, it's laying down.
Not the same melacha.
Amar R. Yehudah,
d'mosif umacha'asev.
Who holds who's Who's the one that says
you're allowed to carry the
the the tops of kelim, the covers of
kelim, the lids of a kli?
Deilo meisa chiza don't have a handle.
That's the halacha always like R. Elazar
b. Yakov that shivrei that
a lid doesn't need a handle. Says the
Mishnah, beautiful sugiyah.
Ho even sheb'kiruya.
So,
the way it used to work is you have a
pail, you're going to you're going to a
well. Now, the pail
if you think about it, if you put a pail
into a well, it's not going to go into
the water. It's going to float on the
top. So, what they did was they put a
little stone. Now, I'm not excited about
this picture because over here, the
stone looks like it's on the bottom of
the pail. If you read Rashi and it makes
a lot of sense, it seems like the stone
is on the lid, on the top. And what that
does is, it flips the pail over
and then water goes in and then
eventually straightens out. The way he
depicts it here, not important. It just
seems like very difficult for the pail
to go in. You'd have to put a huge stone
for it to pull the pail all the way down
below the surface of the water. You know
what I'm taking about? If you put the
stone right over here, it would be a lot
smarter and that's what Rashi says. The
You put on the lid and then it it
already tips it over, fine. That's not
important for now.
Sorry, if I'm over in the palace, if the
stone is stuck in the in the in the in
the cleat. So now a stone we said is my
mother's go fight. It itself is
inherently so so how do I make the stone
not so?
If it doesn't fall out of the so it
becomes part of the pail.
Then I can use it. If
it falls out, you cannot use it. What
about
what about a twig? Here's a twig that
grabs a pail.
We just turned to that
someone base sponsored by
catering. So
now the twig became part of the pail.
You could use it on this.
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Here,
beautiful picture.
I have some sort of truce. What is this
called in English?
A shutter, very good. Shutter. So now
you see how he drew it. If it's hanging
by some sort of chain and it's ready to
go in, it's all part of the house,
great. But if it's sitting on the on the
bottom like this, then
it's no good.
If it's suspended parking by
that's not considered by now. Why? It's
there like any shutter. You
roll down the shades, whatever. I'm
a parking lot. It's of the opinion that
if it's sitting on the ground, not
hanging, that's considered by now. I'm
building my house. I'm closing up a
wall. The
boy who cares if it's hanging not
hanging. Everybody knows why it's
sitting there. It's there to close up
the window. Not awesome.
Evan
So I have a similar to a choir.
We have a barrel and on top of the
barrel person put a stone. What's the
law?
I can take the barrel.
Move it to the side. It's tilted on its
side. The stone falls off. Better yet
says Rashi, what if I'm scared that if
the stone falls off it'll hit another
barrel explode. So I lift the entire
barrel up with the stone, move it to the
side, then I tilt it and the stone falls
off.
We
must remember this name says I'm in the
name of
rubber and rubber in the name of
we had this many times before that this
is only similar not exact, but that's if
the stone was left there by accident.
But if you put the stone there on
purpose before
not supposed to
also now the barrel became a base to a
stone and you know how to move the stone
you know how to move the barrel. You
can't tilt the barrel.
And
says in the name of so we have a
rubber and rubber
or rubber or rubber said what rubber
said.
Yes, this whole is only said when he
forgot that matches the first rubber
rubber rubber.
I will be
not kiss the office. He says the exact
opposite. This stone becomes a cover to
the barrel. I wanted it there. I put it
there on purpose. I don't have a it's so
good. It's it's a real
it's a real cover to a to a barrel and
therefore I can move it on this. Just
lift it up. I don't have to tilt it. I
can just take it off. It's a cover.
Says
rubber.
Rubber is the one that says the first
rubber or rubber or rubber or rubber or
rubber
that if you forget it if you put it
there on purpose, it becomes a it's so
good. Says rubber, I can ask you a
question from our mission.
I myself with
what about a stone that's inside a pail
in the oven in the palace.
Now just said it's not part of it's it's
why is it
I have a stone on top of a
it should be like a stone on top of a
pail.
If it's in a pail, I said it's not
I can draw water. So why can I take the
stone and then and then toss it or
whatever.
It's a
not a good question.
Look at this picture. As he only drew it
so beautifully.
There's a nice
it's tied down nicely. This this ropes
everywhere. So that's become part of the
pail. But over here just a stone laying
on top of a
it's not part of the it's
What about myself? I had a different
rubber.
I said that holds that it's the opposite
of a it's becomes the cover of the
barrel and therefore it's not at all. I
can ask
a question of myself from our mission.
It says in love if it's not if it's a
stone that's going to fall off out of
the pail, I cannot draw water.
It became part of we just said that it
that the stone is not at all. How come
the stone in the pail is so?
It's not a good question.
In the pail you didn't it's not it's not
in there. So it's not right at all.
What's going to happen as soon as you
put it into the well, it's going to fall
out of your pail into the bottom of the
well. But totally back loss so you don't
care about it. So it's still so.
However, now case I'm using it right now
to cover the the
the barrel and therefore it's not so.
I have to do something physical with the
stone. I can't just put a stone on a
barrel and say it's part of the but I
look if I put it in a in a pail and I
tie it down, that's a great so.
That's about it.
We had a similar so.
Once came somewhere almost
found a whole pile of stones.
On Friday
I want you to go out there and have in
mind that we're going to use these
stones as chairs.
We don't and he didn't require them to
do to take action physical action.
So
this is whether he
made them take action.
What was going on over there?
So I'm going to go.
He said go straighten it out. In other
words,
straighten it out so that tomorrow I
shouldn't have to touch these stones so
we could sit down without touching them.
They shouldn't be so.
Why? Because
I can't I can't make them into chairs
right now just by thinking about it. I
need to take action.
Take action.
Wipe them down. Wiping down. Yes, it's
very weak in terms of a a true action,
but nevertheless it's an action and that
action is enough to make these a chair.
We're
talking about a bunch of beams.
No,
this was in a a nice pole. We had this
before. There's a like a beam that you
that the guys on the on the boat the the
front of the boat they stand and they
want to see how deep the water is. Okay,
that's like an expensive device.
This which has value to it if said I
could use this on with just a slight
certainly a piece of wood from the
lumber yard. Well, I don't know
a few I will go
that's an expensive boat device that you
don't typically use and that would be
on Have
a wonderful day.
Tell
him please.
Huh?
What's his last name? Harry who?
Hell?
No, play play maybe.
Hell, I don't know.
Yeah.
Harry
shalom aleikum.
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