Daf Yomi Pesachim Daf 37 by R’ Eli Stefansky

[Music] this year is being sponsored by our favorite doctor dr avram epstein in memory of my father arya bin avram on the occasion of his yard sites i guess he was named after his grandfather once i'm mentioning him i might as well i didn't tell him in person but he did a phenomenal job and after you should have heard him in seoul should be the balcory this competition aron aaron morgan is sponsoring today in memory of my mother nifty may this house of learning be a blessing foreign i've always said this is a little scary this is how uh a certain individual i'll let you guess his name learns the daf first he lines them up like soldiers he always has his kid on his lap and he learns the death here you go the whole if anybody wants one of these you got to call him up he's in los angeles you know this is right rip harry shalom shalom i love this guy from crown heights very we have a special connection ever since you know the guy who's he's in the hospital we said to him for me he's coveted and then we became very close i was very moved by this story he told her sansa the story that his mother dipped in the the matzo in uh gebrex and he said that qibla of aim comes before a minute so shmuel eliot left me a message yesterday that he spoke to someone who's like to be the chauffeur of the tanza rebel and it confirms the story story is the emesis story ah someone here at akasha how do men and women sit by the seder they have a minute that by they say that they sit together men and women and the story has been slightly different that the tanzer got up and dipped his mats and his mother's bold were eating together she says reminding me of a story i heard as a child once at the pace of giant table of the previous lubavitch rebellion yeah i know but maybe they mean like a little who wasn't making brock's and he started dipping his his mutts in the in the borscht the schmucker burst and other casino they were fidgeting feeling comfortable with murmuring what was it what should he do the previous rabbit noticed this and said hasselhoff not to say anything to him s is best of the materials either those points of right it's better that the matter should be read then the person's face should be read also regard to your old handmade charge not being for sale who are you kidding this is mdy for the right price everything is for sale also i'm thinking amazed that we're completed a year he's amazed that we completed a full year where i learned the black gemara almost every day minus a couple of weeks in april yeah coveted maybe to continue on this path and breeze through another year with good health for all the members of khaburo yeshikoya rabiu moiri me ah valley brook produce anybody need produce in new york yeah oh good point okay thank you we have another minute this is from our favorite in-house scientist avi mandelban we miss him dearly he's on some very long trip i love this he says today's gemara brings up not using warm water it says in the gemara kulaama poi ice rim is also you can't use warm water to make matza becomes comets faster chemical kinetics one 100 percent degrees since warmer items have more energy in the molecules the molecules collide more often proper activation energy fell out when the reaction happened fast listen rabbi said this is just because he's not on today on zoom before i'll do it for him this is what you hear energy following the reaction to happen faster a general rule for reactions at room temperature and increase of temperature by just 10 degrees celsius will cut in half the reaction time another email science 100 backs up the idea in the gamer that fruit juice will make it become comets faster can extra that a higher concentration of reactants will increase the speed of reaction the reaction to make comets is the change of sugars the carbon dioxide and alcohol increasing the concentration of sugar will make it become i love it when science and allah agree hashem you'll love it even when science and allah don't agree hi okay so there we are today is daf lamed zain and we are holding on the last last line left lamin the base tara bonon ofen pass over pesach passover as the understanding right now is very thick bread and the thickness is there's a concern there's a concern that upon him now here's here's a here's a good casual boy so what do you say to this on pesach what kind of my phone do they use in the basement you gotta you gotta be careful comments though this is just a modern day depiction of one chito what it looks like it was a nice thick bread i already mentioned myself and levy friedman we went to a bakery in next uh avigdor gold's place fold i mean a victor fold and there's a guy there i forgot where it is katsuri and whatever he does this all year round i'll show you how to do like him upon him it's very cool carne shamron thank you it was very difficult to make and they fell apart he tried really hard and he's done this a thousand times they still fell apart when you try to take it out of the pan they're so thick as the gemara is going to say now that you need a little bit of a moment but they're very thick so since we see by him upon him that it's a tafar and in the base hamikdash there were macbeth so you see that [Music] what's the connection and by the way when you see through this question you see how they used to make mats in those days they didn't go to the satmer matzo bakery under the tracks in williamsburg and have a whole they did it at home take a little matzo to the dose real quick throw it in the oven back thinking about everybody made their own matzo imma rub this reason if you're talking about the base hamikdash that they made allah come upon him that was a tavatek yo shannon's reason that's why we're going to give you the right talking about i just want to say this quick mice i don't know if it has any shocks to anything we're on a flow with lubavitch and then and sanzer revised solanter once couldn't make it to the matsubaker he couldn't go he was he's weak whatever it was so tell me him so rebbe what should we what should we look out for what should we be making think what he said what you should be making on at the mata bakery there's all these almanas doing the red la you know you got to be careful with an almana don't don't push her too hard don't don't don't don't don't make him sugar that's what we have to be making up is reason you remember his reason that's a microphone i was just thinking mata bakery in those days no matter what mata bakery the mother was reason huh but in saturn we i used to bake in satmir when i was a kid and there's only ladies only they're very much fit russian and yeah because they're better better than the men i don't know about maybe an irish troll is different imam ruby's reason young you're talking about them they knew how to make this they're professionals you're going to tell every joe shmoe that he can make a matzah that's a so this is very interesting because in menaches we learned what's passa melo rashi brings it down but this could be like the mdy a beat you have to knead this dough 300 shifa 500 beta so you have to go like this basically you have to go one one two one two one two three one if you get to try to do it it's not possible you have to do 800 of these two two one two three one one one two one eight hundred so they could do it they're working it like that so it's not going to become comments but you at home you don't know what you're doing you don't know how to do the beat they had very dry wood months old it lights well it's it's hot your baits and lock and that's the oven was constantly heated they were constantly making monaco's for everybody young town inside and you just turned on your oven you think you know what you're doing in the base hamikdosh they had a metal oven yo mubitano chocaris everybody in those days had earthenware what's the connection much more heat professionals they knew what they were doing so the bottom line is the gimbal doesn't really tell us how thick they said it can't be a tefl so how thick so if you look in this says in our days at least undoing as thin as possible also says should be as thin as possible so that's why we do a thin anybody ever wonder why we do round matzos i just saw because it says he says so why square by the machine because they're very much better not to have any leftover when you make it round so you have all those corners and they were worried that people are going to take the corners and throw it back into the and make another mats out of it so they said square you know you're not going to have any leftovers okay um very interesting why exactly according to the first channel rashi says review i asked rav who was my rebbe in private another shot is i asked him specifically very deliberately um as we learned his name was khadij because he never put his hands below his belt my passover so he's a whole different shot until now passover okay that was the name when you say when you want to say a lot of dough you say pass over now what's the problem my time is so why can't you make a lot of dough if the problem is because i'm even on yantef you shouldn't be working too much so why does it mention pesach take out the words nothing to do with matsu you just happen to be talking about the other peso but this applies to every yantef you can't do tirkey serra you can't make too much dough so you see it doesn't even mention the word you peso over there it says all you have this nothing to do with pesach and they still will say it's mother how much is mother so taisus brings enough to fill up a whole ovensworth because that helps that helps even that one bread the one bread that you're baking if there's a whole oven it's good five you get one oven's worth total banana yayton uh i saw somebody i know tyson doesn't say that exactly but i saw somebody i think another reason somewhere i think that's what it was maybe i might have seen the even i saw it so i know i know that texas doesn't say it's straight out i know i know twice is himself not tells himself not he says a whole a whole oven what the reason is i saw i have to after i don't i don't remember where i saw it i did see such a thing does anybody remember where we learned when they used to bake the matzo when do they bake mats in those days so give you a hint it was in this maserta no another hint it had to do with remember that it was a play on worlds words that what that in those days they they would bake the matzo that night le la say there had to say there they would bake the matzo but the the holder knows that tonight is she's going to have food tonight so in other words they would bake it that night anyway we had this yesterday that if you remove all the bran from the from the flower it's it's like nikia it's beautiful it's it's clean you think for a second that it's not like it's not what poor people eat they can't afford the the sifted flour ube sriken hamitsuyoren be pessa srigamatsuyarm something like this i'm not and we're talking about maybe something thinner but designs on the on whatever you're you're making so yeah if this is what your matzo looks like you're okay you even have a depiction of an animal you know whatever the thing so they go in look at the semen tough uh i mean sorry shin mem simon shin ma'am discusses it brings the the shiloh over there but in terms of the mata what's the problem we'll see in a second you know how to make smaller uh you're not going to make um serem designs and depictions on your matzo but if you do it your yoyo what about what they do today in the mata bakery they take that riddle and they go like this and they make those small holes that 100 percent is allowed it's not for pictures to i'm i'm just quoting the lady sits there and designs i see with my own eyes every few days sit there with a knife and and and cut these things out it's very difficult even this picture i'm pretty sure this thing has all these designs these are like handmade maybe they have machines that do it but basically make like these cuts and eventually it opens up you have to do it by hand usually i guess they have machines for it and her sitting there trying to design out the bread what's going to happen it's going to take her more than eighteen minutes or whatever the comments is in shamanism uh you could use the existing machine what's the problem it'll be perfect kayvon will be perfect call us freaking out people are not going to realize that baitos has a special machine at home in his factory and is in his bakery whatever it is they'll say that he was over here and i could also do it all my rebels about salted papaya i once went in after my father i guess today into the room leo's place they viewed the fun of srikakura pesach and they gave him this thing so very interesting this would be reverse of perhaps what we would if i would ask anybody they would probably say the opposite of this a bakery a baker is very medic you know he it's his paranoises he has to make sure it's beautiful so he's going to sit there for a long time and do it but a woman at home next igni this is similar to what we would probably think of remember those guys they know what they're doing they do quickly they have machines they and they're so used to it elsa a house person somebody at home he's going to make it comments that's why you have to be careful but if you get it from a bakery then it's a oysten sriken kimin rikiken when nice and streaking came in if you do it you have to do it flat like what we do today flat matters very nice and streaking it's not like some nice puffed up cake or something the sponge bread ladoo shanim like uh some honey something honey bread biscuitin these are wafers bacalas hamas rays so we have to remember these four because we're gonna come back to them sponge bread honey bread wafers bacalas hamas race translation apan loaf vamaduma maduma is basically truma fell in to less than a hundred of hulen so it's not bottled to the hulen here's a question for da illum another one like yesterday what's the share of khala now the why you guys have a chance to redeem themselves [Music] so first of all very good we have an israeli here he said 23 eggs first of all kyle doesn't have a shear it's one of the things that doesn't have it's not in that mission it doesn't have a shape but we take one 24th 24. yeah 124th but verbatim is something else yeah how much how much color do you owe my fresh no how much the melt but i don't think it's 23 eggs i think 43 is that 43 ah that's that's yeah that's that's the shear of halibut how much do you take and remove so it's a macho but we do 124th or 148th depending if you're doing it at home or if you're a baker a baker only has to take 148th and at home we pay 120 what right five pounds of those he's saying he's 43 eggs okay not really our suggyo but we're talking about what's high evan khala and what's not high vachal so you have these things that are not really breads a honey bread a sponge bread not bread it's not a geshmaka rye bread in new york you put it in the machine and then the lady takes that string that comes off the ceiling you know that stuff remember that they don't have it anymore maybe they do okay why because truma is part of nucallah my house race what is this thing oh very short levy bottom it's the scalded bread like we said yesterday like a bagel something you cook it it's not baked omer schlockish so now we have a macaques the sponge the honey the wafers and the mass rays myself the same that's something you fry in a pan a frying pan is not how you bake a bread myself not true if it's in a pan you're hive the reason why so got him the the sponge and the honey and it is potter's because he did it in the sun sun is different but if you're doing a frying pan it says now frying patties we're going to see this on the base discuss this we might get into if we have time we'll get into suv some very interesting stuff today lakshmi kogo that sort of stuff i mean uh you shall make coco i should say so we're not discussing deep fry in a frying pan maybe maybe a little bit of that pam stuff they give it a stick of spray you know like a mashup if it's deep fried everybody agrees that it's considered cooked in order to get it to the to the situation that perhaps it's baked it's not deep fried so again sir shlokis says that it's a frying pan emma melo your potter from khala it's not bread and ribeyran says it's real bread in a frying pan and you're halal morocco [Music] it can't get any clearer than ruby if you make it in a frying pan a second ago that if you do it in the sun your potter that's not considered baking no it should be a checkmate not such a murder cacho here we'll see oolo soon very interesting she can answer to you when the pan is preheated and then you put it in the pan then it will bake like a bread you could ask avi mendelman i'll tell you it has a certain amount of degrees in this fine avalanche you put the dough into the pan then you put it on the flame you ever tried to make an egg like that hashem rakhim you gotta heat it up first geshmaq then you pour the egg in so that's the only thing i know how to make it then you're right then it's then it's not baking that i don't know what it's called it's very very weak and it's not a bur it's not bread and therefore your partner from hollow ask the gemara a classic question at the tony said bahama so you're giving me two examples to the extreme one is in a frying pan in the sun your potter from khala wouldn't it be a lot better if i set two examples in a frying pan one is a hundred percent one is a hundred percent potable challah one is you pre-heated one is you didn't pre-heat it your pattern it's beautiful it's it's within the same you don't have to jump to another case oh in a frying pan but uh if you bake it you cooked it in water or not it's not it's not it's not the best mikoto locato says i'm already right that is exactly the case the hama is actually the case of the frying pan so add the tonic of touring live listening there's one case of heating it up and then putting the br the dough in i will hit bigger soy if you heat it up you put the dough in then it's regular bread but if you do in the frying pan you first put the dough in and then you heat it up then it's like you're putting in the sun it's not we're not jumping to another case that same case of a frying pan could be similar to somebody baking in the sun and that is if you put the dough in first and then you put it on the flame oh i just want to say something i'm not going to say shall i come to ezra again from melbourne australia ah rocky the tour guide how are you avi gordon and oh and rabbit kessler's father is on i see joseph kessler okay gevaldo we'll go back the guy's going to be smart don't know what i'm doing okay there's a screen here there's other people watching it's not only just they can hear everything they hear they see the whole thing a year ago we didn't know about this a year ago we didn't everybody could be on one screen it's like there's certain companies and like apple computer might have had it like a screen and they did the things like that yoitsen matzo hino turner look at this it says specifically that you keep in a matzo that's done in a frying pan yo it's a matsuhino he knows a lotion of no like you have to eat the carbon pesach no very uncooked like like uh rawish so if you have a mata that's kind of raw you think that it is comments no you're yayto with it i think kumar is going to explain what that means but the point that we're trying to get to is the second part if you have a master that was baked in a frying pan you're yaita who does that go according to rabbi hanon conderive sluggish is a problem agreed to this that if you heat it up preheat it and then put the dough in and then it's a great mat you know um when you break it apart you don't have strings attached to it if you don't if you don't have the what cheese like oh like like a pizza like right like when you you you separate like a piece of pizza and those strings you don't have that if you don't have that that means that it stopped becoming muhammad there's no more comments in there that's the sciences radishes that the comments has got yes by me oh oh yeah yeah you mean this you guys don't deserve this stuff nah i'm not going to show you it oh my rob uh what what cloud like what do you want to see oh you want to see this i thought you have to share why this not a whole lot going on how about how about once once every year i miss my alarm it's possible now you are macabre i'm not going to give you the credit that you're um the same oh the same applies to to the to the breads that you bring with the carbon taida carbon taida had as a person something great happened to him he got out of jail overcame a disease brings allah carbon thai dog with 40 breads and the 40 breads don't have they could be not they could be raw the the gemara rashi says in menaches we had carmu panel you have to have a little bit of a crust on top that says rashi carbon panel coincides with this stringy nothing they're both the same thing it says in both places the word what's the difference by mata says and we consider it bread even though it's raw mao the same ah me so we have four categories of breads thirty of them are matzah ten of them are comments but this four categories from each category from each tan you give one to the cayenne and the torii says echoed means don't take something broken commander priest damio i would think that since it's so raw it's like it's caught up come ash malone that even by tight that's not considered caught up it's considered a shaolin and kami so we're gonna see what this is miso basically you take flour and you put it into boiling water or you take boiling water we're gonna see another case boiling water two cases that are basically identical either you take the flour and you pour it into the boiling water or you take the boiling water pour in the flour and then you do something with the flour you bake it whatever you do we shamay poetry which i said there's no challah when we still make them there is hollow halito which we're going to see the difference be shaman basil patron it's over boy pour the the flour over the boiling water you take the boiling water pour it on the flour kumar says there's no difference at the end there's no difference between the two but right now we're understanding there's a difference he says both poor this way poor that way they're both potter they're both so basically we have already four cheetahs either khalit akornabi is mother and an or khalido according to be silo's mother and according to the ic both are mother or both are also and then we have a fifth cheeto so they make a distinction between a frying pan which is potter it's not considered bread at all but if it's in the oven everybody agrees everything is whether you pour the water on top of the flour the flour on top of the water oh you wanted me to bring flour says the tanaka what's that what i'm sorry according to tanaka what's in afkamino if you pour the water on the flower the flower in the water you're right absolutely no difference so now we're going to narrow down the mclaughs does not we don't have five sheets now it's only three things going on with tavro misha shauna zoo lois on the zoo so the prices are basically they're just saying that according to besha my potter and according to me or khalid according to potter and bishop we're not dividing the khalid they're both the same regard whatever it is it's the same allah is going to say both are also or besham is going to say both are mother they're not going to divide and the brice is not going to divide the khalid from the mesa they're the same exact thing it doesn't make a difference unluckily if you pour the water on the flower pour the flour in the water the same thing happens either bishop may hold his potter from khalo or khaiv khala and ribby icy basically is just going in the sheet of basil we had rubbish he said two things either he said that both potter were both hive so he was going basil either he grabbed this bride so that he still said whatever he still said that's what he went with depending on the bright side so rebels he doesn't have two sheet doesn't basil it's the brice is imported what they sold said aribiac was just reflecting what the bryson said in basil it was potter the bottom line is from all this so we have three cheetahs either you pour it on you don't pour down what does khakam say then depends if it's made in a frying pan or not whether you pour the boiling water you pour the flour until the boiling water shows on bill pass potter this is my food that if it's in a frying pan it's potter there'll be a bomb so it's a cache on it's a very good cache ami you're right but at the end of the day this is my guest and i go with one of the tanay i go with the tanakama so you have a casper vermeer i go with somewhere else you think it's along and says bread not in the frying pan only in uh in the oven bread not or not boiling water not this it has to be baked in oven that a frying pan bread is says frying pan bread is possible so you ask me from another brand that says that a frying pan is potter i go like this bryce tanaka according to everybody if it's made in a frying pan and over here we have a machoices weather you could later on after whatever you did you poured boiling water you poured it on boiling water there you put in the tan or does the final bacon create a bread or not that's a macholicus the dynagame is solvable it is considered bread because you put it back in the oven it's not considered bread unless from the start you started off in the oven it's not considered bread if you go back five lines it says the kool-aid alma maiso ilfa gumara saying according to everybody frying pan bread is not bread so that's why there's a discussion in thai space from here you see that talk is like it says everybody agrees that raslakis is right the bread made in a frying pan is not bread has a problem there's only three times in the entire shots imagine all those hundreds of machines in the review only three times was reluctant right we passing like sluggish and this is not one of the three okay um i just made a whole bunch of notes here after the i have to just pick some stuff out here oh so as i mentioned before that deep fry something that's deep fried you don't make hamaiti it's considered mushroom so there have been a time though has a shita that sufganiyata we today why because he says that that if it had it's a thick dough and you deep fry it or oil water is the same thing that would be almighty so and the says no you don't have to worry about it that's why we don't make hamitzi you don't make a mighty if you take the blilo alva and then you fry it even if it looks like bread and you convey a pseudo it's very interesting if you even the the reverend time saying even if you're making donuts i guess if you decided to make bread and then you switch your you change your mind so you took halo you had and then you decided to make donuts and so rubbing time here and in broca's the same duff so you remember daflam and diamond bay says the same thing so at the end of the day the rama says that we should we're making like the mahabharata we don't make a mighty i don't think anybody ever made a mighty and a donut but you should be careful not or he says you should try interesting try to take a piece of bread and make hamati on it before you eat a donut now no i'm saying even if you took even if you took halo you'd be potter from hamas according to haber and you have that other though that you haven't ramos says you know what in order to be eight to all shitas eat a little bread buy soda don't just go into the bacon grab a doughnut if it's sweet bread like it has a sweet flavor this dough then it's passable because then and even the mildesudo you don't have to make hamilton now what about ushami kogo yoshaomi kugo doesn't have uh it doesn't look like bread so this is this is actually a little bit of a complicated sugar we discussed it in bronx a little bit here you show me you want to see where is it these are past the whole thing we missed the whole sugar with this opacity but okay you're showing me here it's going to make you hungry now i haven't been in shoal for kiddush in such a long time here in artistrol they invite you to bar mitzvah and this is what they serve that's it this little pickle so you can't wait on this this is since this is cooked even if you convey a sudo you don't make it almighty fine but let's say uh it will be different than a bread than than cake um a bagel that you do cook and then afterwards you bake is amazing why it looks like bread verbally asheville says that since you put this in oil and only afterwards you bake it it's considered you do bake it they guess they throw it in the oven it's considered bread says ribley ashif but it has a lot of sugar it goes through the whole thing so that's why he says at the end of the day don't eat a lot of this don't need a lot of this so this is there's a guy in our table he pounds this watching call you can't believe that people come to our show just to watch this guy pound the election coco and but rebellion careless says if he eats could they severe if he's mamish full from the lakshan kogo even though it's khalooto basoi fafa it was it was done first in oil and then baked he has to make a bigger samosa according to him some corals fine so that's luxe and kogo that's a little bit of reason [Music] i don't know i'm hungry now and i want some luck in google i don't know what you're talking about if it sounds probably what country yoshi says that turkey's collection all right vitor where are we holding omarovo where are we like 15 lines from the bottom um i think it's fascinating the gemara brings a writer from the tohaka that 10 women are not going to have they're not going to have they're going to be so poor they won't have enough fuel to make the bread they're all going to have to share the same oven but we learn from there over here since you have to use two devices you have to first put it in a frying pan and then put it in the oven that's not tad that's not considered bread like you would go all the way to and think that a curse to clay israel is okay it's a curse but you see that there's there's lee mudin there as well we say it under our breath we barely know what's going on there's a limoud yasaf zero the yosever of zereka medulla only so i don't like to depict but this is just for demonstration purposes only seriously just like in case you get confused this is ullah and here is rib zero and his rabbit raviosif it went in a very specific order in those days who could sit next to the tana who who's going to be closer the bigger thomas the elder or went in a certain order so they robin reviews have had questions they wouldn't go directly to ullah they asked zera who's sitting in front of ullah again so you also have rabbit zero they were sitting behind rip zero the i didn't put beards yama cause nothing just as a stick i would just wanted a not at the picture oh my gravity rip zero boy mine do me a favor so rabbah says rip zero ask ula there's a whole like we just blew by the whole slug over this past but hid big is a lotion of in those days they would take the the bread and and and and slap it over to the side of the of the of the oven but over here we're talking about what happens if he if he glues it to the frying pan and then he puts the flame underneath it malay tells him ribs there what i'm going to ask rebbe so they didn't have the chutzpah sort of to yell over observer and ask a question was that's not how you do it you go in order you ask him to ask him if i even ask this question hey knew my syllabus that's exactly the whole question that's a frying pan do you put the flame underneath oh my god so the second one ruby is says you know what rip zero do me a favor so ask me something else what if you put it in the frying pan and the flame is not underneath it but it's above it meaning let's say the flame is next to it and then the flame comes i don't know exactly how it's above it huh maybe even like this like this this is i would say this is also above it i mean the flame is directly to the bread versus behind a piece of metal frying pan why should i ask him such a thing the aminale amelie revani nice and cane what do you mean poor people who don't have fuel imagine the the the poverty in those days they had just enough fuel to give it a little bit of a burn and eat it they didn't have enough fuel to keep it there for that extra minute from underneath so they would always cinch it from the top no that's my that's that that's what they did no shia labeouf so that's exactly what a frying pan is frying pans are from the sometimes from the top some from the bottom but that's the exact mathematics that we're discussing have a wonderful day [Music] foreign [Applause] foreign is