Daf Yomi Nedarim Daf 34 by R’ Eli Stefansky

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garlic tip I added it to everything in the chips and avocado and the meat everything the other thing that the family guy was talking about is that will give you peace and quiet on Chavez second I started talking people backed off and avoided me a time to learn a nap the best Shabbos ever think of yakuzafia Al Anonymous this my voice is a beautiful picture if you take a good look at this picture this guy is doing the daf while he's being pulled over by a cop look at his mirror thingy advice is stay with the dive and go back and make a time when time is available I did just that I found the extra half an hour half hour one morning on my way to work waiting on the other side of the road while being pulled over Mordechai palek and if you look this is not a made-ups this is not a made-up one I'll tell you why how I know if you look at his you look on the bottom that 69 he did you could see that he did the entire thing has a red line through it you uh this is Pinnacle pacanowski from 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on the outside of this so call it come up to these guys this has nothing to do with the daf but it does it's one thing leads to the other rabbi right over here with the society is sitting sickler sicker we have a big tadek his name is morning rosby he comes every single day he's a huge huge value surum he suffers a lot he has a lot of pain and right now as we speak he's going through a major major surgery where they're installing a morphing pump in them and this is very rare in there just roll so we're going to learn his name is he says that the daf mamish takes him out of his plane that's why he comes all the time he comes he hardly walks up the stairs he's a big body serum young guy should have her Force Lima and here's the picture of the bahram wearing their designed cities beautiful and I guess we could should we start the oh this one okay guy Gummer God Gomer at shakeets.com right I have to thank you rebelli it's been years since I was in Yeshiva there's a guy that sends me these kind of emails all the time maybe it's the same guy maybe it's not if it is I'll read it you don't have to send me any more it's been years since I was in Yeshiva in your shears like old times this is Nostalgia Nostalgia it's interesting it's fun I mama just love it I haven't missed the Dobson's Brokers and your videos are the highlights of my day being completely off the Derek for years uh various have lost their smack kite but you're Hocking about men wearing Rings yesterday had me smiling all day thank you for making me feel like a bum again I didn't really got someone hooked on empty wire I inadvertently got someone hooked on mdy recently but if I don't know but I don't know if he wants a shout out I'm thinking about whether I want to go to see my shots I wouldn't blend in anyways so maybe I'll dress like Waldo oh is this there's a guy bensy who does beautiful cartoons on the daf I get them unfortunately kind of late and I thought this was a good one if you speak Hebrew it's 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him on Zoom if you if you have him on Zoom let's see him on the screen well I wish him a full slayma all right so before we get them on Zoom as we're getting him on zoom we're starting from yesterday we did the sugier two four six eight nine just ignore everything that we learned yesterday we're doing the tsuki over again yesterday I was just reading it quickly just to get to the bottom but we got it we have to do it over and we're gonna do it today morning Morty that's Morty okay all right and we have you in our tilas in our learning reforest limo so let's go back to the mission for a second we had this very small mission on the on the bottom of them give it says that if somebody's from his friend and we'll go into exactly what that means but basically a person says to somebody else I I'm not allowing you to benefit from me you won't be able to benefit from me so even though ruvane doesn't allow shiman to benefit from ruvane Roofing can go ahead and pay off his debt Ruben could go pay as Max shekel ruven can go and return an Aveda if that's one way to look at the case okay so those are the three things that he's allowed to do even though he said he'll never allow any benefit from himself but returning a lost object is not benefit paying off his is half a shackle is not a great benefit for shipment so he's allowed to do it and even the big Critters even paying off debt real that a million dollar debt is not it's just a mavria Hari he's just chasing away the LIE now if you remember yesterday this is my little drawing I had shiman I the Max raveda on the right and ruvane losing stuff if you look really close so you can see some papers flying out of his suitcase that's not what that's not good enough for us we have Yoshi and therefore this is what's good what it's going to be looking like this is about Aveda as you can see the Xavi kamianski he lost a cat cat came out of his suitcase toilet brush this is what this is what he has all three of them he's holding that that little Chateau case now you know what's in it you never have you thought it's all this lawyer stuff basically he has a toilet brush and a toothbrush and sometimes he brings his cat with him fine now so that he's called a BAL Aveda he lost objects the next the next thing we have is look at you no I'm gonna check this out you're the master away though he is returning the objects we have a master and a validator that's all we're talking about today the two options today is either the balaveda is Usher to benefit from the maxer or the maxer is also to benefit from the bow elevator that's it that's the whole city today in a nutshell put them all together this is what it looks like the balaveda is moving as objects fall and the the marker Picks Them Up now there's something called a mother and a mother a mother is the person saying it he has the bubble by his mouth he says I do not allow what look inside the bubble he's not allowing himself to be benefited from from the mother so in this case the mother the guy with the red he's red he's Usher he cannot avikameanski with the suitcase open he cannot benefit from no I'm fixed picking up the cat why because no one fix is the mother he said with his mouth I don't allow Avi to benefit from me that's what he said okay we have to we have to absorb this because this is we're not going to be talking so much about the mother today we're talking about the mother are you allowed the myth so you won't be able to do because of that that's something else that you can't do it so how could you do that you can't you're not allowed to do that you can't just come along I hear good capture but we have a lot of stuff to deal with what his mother the the Hana of himself upon I know it's counterintuitive he's not being mother Avi his mother himself on Avi he's saying Avi cannot benefit from me Avi cannot benefit from me I'm in a I'm in a circle I'm gonna ex I'm saying this I'm just I'm the one being mother I'm invoking this Nether and what is my nether I don't allow Avi to ever benefit from me does that include giving back in Aveda so in a way you could say no it doesn't include an Aveda the mission says it doesn't include an Aveda why because Avi doesn't benefit from now I'm returning the cat it's his cat he bought the cat with cash it's his it just got lost he's just returning it to him there is a little bit of maybe some Hana that he didn't have to look for it but that's part of the Mitzvah and that you can't really benefit from he didn't get any monetary benefit he owns the cat before he owns the cat today he just got it back that's one way of looking at it another way of looking is no he cannot that's at the end of the day he's benefiting from them from the mother since he's a mother mothers now I have any enough from the mother and he's having had a he got his cat back that's that's wrong so that is the Shiloh here get back at all if it wasn't for no one to return it that would have been a monetary loss yeah how's it a monetary laws you're saying yeah right right okay that's that's that's that's the two ways to look at it in fact Iran says exactly your words he says as uh as an afghanina later on in the studio between paying up alone and giving back a cat he says alone I might never have to pay it I might never pay it I might die not paying it so you paying off my loan you all you did is have said for me but giving back a cat giving me back a real thing that I I was missing I like my cat and I want my cat back right now and you gave it to me right now so you gave me something that's basically what the round is saying that's the sorrow yeah you're right you're right says the gamar inside I'm right okay I'm saying this as far as both ways that's that's why this is you understand that way that's great right so we're holding that flaming give him a base by the news is the mother so we're not gonna talk about mother now let's not get confused let's talk about the mother this this case right here that we have on the screen this is what the mission is talking about that the ballaveda the one that lost objects he's the mother he's the one that's ushered to benefit from his friend nevertheless the mission comes and says the guy is allowed to return the ABS why because when Noam gives it back we could call Ruben children whatever you want to call him like in the beginning of romance I was all confused I was calling them by their names now okay to me that looks like no I'm I don't know about Reuben shim I assuming nobody's dying here today about Hashem so we can call by the real names he's giving him back the cat that he lost he's not giving him any benefit he bought a cat for 100 bucks and today he has a cat that's worth 100 bucks he didn't gain anything by the guy returning it but what if Noam is the mother the my dear cannot his the mother said Avi said no I'm you cannot benefit from me so guess what in this case no one cannot return the Aveda hi what are you talking about he's not gaining anything he's giving back a cat Ah that's what we learned yesterday true to the Rev Yosef there is another side benefit called prudenter of Yosef what is that that if a poor person comes to you while you're doing a Mitzvah you're taking care of the cat you're holding it you're petting it so you don't have to give that poor person a fruit though so you just gain the prutho the one way we always say oh it's a big Mitzvah to get stuck on it's going to help your life and you get a lot of gun Aiden over here oh you're gaining you don't have to do a Mitzvah wow you don't have to do a mitza but maybe you can look at it differently I'm doing it Mitzi right now I'm involved in a Mitzvah obviously it's the the ram points out that we're showing Point any time we learn the Suga if the cat is in a cage in your living room you're not positive from giving this DACA it's when you're lifting the cat and you're feeding the cat and you're dealing with the cat then you're a Potter from the doctor that tour when a poor person comes to you and asks you for money and you don't have to give him that has value of a Proto because all you have to give the audience is one prudha so that has a value but since no I'm picking up the cat is awesome to benefit from Avi who lost his objects the mapsir is also to have a not from the Veda he just had an uh or he could have another brewed done therefore he's not allowed to return it that's why there's a big X over there in this case according to this mandamar x he should not return it and the good morning is going to ask Akasha we're going to try to prove things from our mission why my little brother of okay and if any comes and I I said yesterday and I'll say it again everybody agrees to this concept review is only arguing whether that puts Noam in a position of Allah because the prutha that he doesn't have to give the Ani is as if he gets payment for watching the cat and he turns into Sharma that's a different song but everybody agrees that he has enough for not giving a fruit of the honey forget you still have that if the maxer is a mudar the guy returning is also to benefit from the guy that lost then he can't return because he gains that one little brutal argues and this probably Lauren could understand even more vedaslay you could return in such a situation what are the chances that while I'm petting the guy's cat and calming him down and feeding him cat food a poor person's gonna knock on the door it's not it's not considered that I know since it's not Israel and the story I will tell you one of my favorite jokes that I had as a child so it's probably not very funny but for me it was funny at the time the a kid came to his father and said you know ta I saved you three dollars because instead of taking the bus to school I ran after the bus so the father said you could have saved me twenty dollars had you ran after a taxi subscribe Jonathan Okay so for such people make a big deal out of saving apruta and it is it changes if you save a fruit though okay by the way this idea of always you're doing a Mitzvah I'm doing but let's say I sell to philan you're doing a Mitzvah so if you do it for free then you're always but if you're doing it because that's your brand also or let's say you're a big asking and you help the Tebow or whatever all those things you get a salary once you get a salary you don't have the the Allah it's not now we're holding an hour off I just want to warn you that yesterday I did the studio according to the round the round has a different gear sun he changes a few very important points then I saw that the art scroll doesn't doesn't go with the round even though they're very consistent and we're we try to be consistent go with around the entire Studio but because the article is not doing it like that and the lotion and the gemara is not like the run so we'll we'll just we'll go we'll go with what it says in the gamara the idea the idea is pretty much the same I mean the outcome is the same let's see so now we learned in our mission so the mission talks about what about if the minute of the place is to pay somebody that returns an object now just as a side note we decided I said yesterday the the throttle says on the spot that it's uh in a place that people weren't Macarena kind of thing different cheetahs is a motor for somebody to put up a sign and say if you find my cat I'll pay you a hundred dollars it says in Atari you have to do so maybe you shouldn't be offering money for it so does Farm say that you're allowed to you're just not allowed to demand a hundred dollars for returning it but you're allowed to offer 100 bucks if somebody returns it and another so far is that minotaura you just have to announce you could say hey I found somebody's cat but usually what happens is the guy goes to the house and he delivers the cat so for that for that he could demand money or whatever okay fine I'll go buy what does it say in the mission in a city that they pay for returning objects people are not like this then nobody should take the money the money should go to the base of English says the more beautiful mom is a beautiful thing here that's called that the marzir is like in this picture right over here Nami mahada if the case is that you're permitted here so this is not the case because it has an X let's go to the next one oh you see it has a check if you hold that this case is a case where he's permitted to give it back the maxer the guy that found the Aveda is also to benefit but he's allowed to give it back why because we're not concerned that the proof of yourself so now it makes a lot of sense so the rant sticks in here let's just go to the next case Iran says let's say it's talking about this okay this is the third possibility it's combining the both of both of the both of the cases they're both us around each other now the mother I know the the master to return it why because he has zero benefit doesn't exist the guy that lost the object could receive the object why because this is abject he gained nothing so now what is the mission of saying that if it's a place that you get money for this give it to the base of English so if uh the master guy he doesn't want to take money for this so you give it away to keep it he can't keep it let's say the ma right the master doesn't want it or you can't take it because he's benefiting so now the valveda cannot keep the the fifty dollars he's going to give to the market so he can't keep it in his pocket because now he's benefiting from the master and he's also a mother they're both mother in these cases in this case both of them are also to have an on each other so the guy returning it can't take money from the guy that lost it because he's going to benefit from him the guy that that lost the object can't can't keep them he can't retain the money can't keep the money because he's also gaining a monetary benefit so what do you do with the money put it in the postcode give it to give it to the base of English what if we go to this case yeah that in a case where the motherhana listen to this beautiful beautiful riot if we if we have to eliminate this case from the mishnah why are we eliminating this case there's a big x on it if the maxer is a mother Hana he's ushered to benefit from the mother from the ballavedo and demanded armor holds this case he should not return it why shouldn't he return your voice in this case because he holds there's a prude of Joseph he holds his apruta here and and he's a mother he's not allowed to benefit from the prutha so what do you do in such a case if he finds the guy's cat don't return it so what's the next step the mishna says that if he does return it he shouldn't take money for it you should put the money in the pushka but what's the case it's not this case so what is the case the cases that the Bella Vedas the mother okay very very simple I see you're rolling your eyes let's go back we have all day here there's a one-man Doma that says that this case is not in the mishnah you're not allowed to return When the finder is a is us at the benefit why because the finder is going to get a benefit of one puta according to review I said that's also the benefit so this case do not return so this case is not in the mission what case is in the mishnah the opposite with the mother is the balavada this case this is the mishna okay okay the ballaveda lost something he is not allowed to benefit from non-fix but not fixes let her turn the cat why because he didn't he didn't give him anything he started with the cat two days ago and he's ending with the cat so on this the mission says that the money should go to the basement why the guy finding the cat is allowed to take money he's not Mo he's not he's not a mother he's a mother a mother is a ladder receive money why can't no one fix get money payment for finding and giving back the object in this case anybody there's no reason in the world he's not a mother Avi is a mother the guy that found the object in this case has no answer to benefit from Avi so let him take a salary let him take his 50 bucks he earned it why is the mission to say give it the best the right is that this is wrong this is the case where you have to give to the basement in other words it should be this one right over here this one in a case of mother he's a permitted to return yet he can't take a salary for it because then he's going to benefit because he's a mother he's not a benefit so you see that what's right here is the check not the X the x is a problem do that because if this case is not in the mishnah then the only case remaining in the mission is this case and he should be able to get a salary the mother the the finder should get a salary you understand the daraya great yeah [Music] what's the answer of course in this case he's a ladder the the guy that lost his object could pay a salary you know what the case is he doesn't want a salary he's one of those guys a typical guy right almost everybody in this room that returns an object to somebody and the guy offers him 20 bucks mostly you're gonna say no no that's okay it's okay take your wallet in that case what do you do it's this case just he doesn't want to take the salary he doesn't want to take his money so so so what happens Avi is going to keep the money but he can't keep the money it's awesome for him to keep the money why because he's a mother a mother from a mother and the guy the guy that that's returning the object said you're not going to benefit from me I'm not going to take your money and you're not going to benefit from me so what do you do it's only talking about one of the two options we have we have that Avi is going to give a salary to Noam or he's not going to give the salaries and I was going to keep it in his pocket on that the mission says if he wants to keep in his pocket he can't he has to give it back to the base of English but wait a minute but what if I Norm doesn't want to take the salary he could take it why not he's not Buddha or not [Music] he can keep it in his pocket because he's holding somebody else's money you know you get nothing for giving stalker it's uh Mrs lavnes now okay so we just did one way of learning it you can imagine yeah by the way this goes very very fast seriously some say it questions it doesn't matter because this is the sugar that we have to focus on um we can do tomorrow in three and a half minutes you just have to get to the bottom of the summer here some say it differently foreign [Music] that when the maxer is the mother right over here no I'm is the mother then you can give it back then you give it back why can't you give it back because there's no proof of the revised if you hold that one proof is not don't worry about it just give it back foreign the one that lost he's the mother then don't give it back why not a second ago he said here's Lauren's foreign right we know somebody from my family I'm not gonna mention who who didn't want to come there to show because he has a cat right remember the whole story and at the end he's my father about Hashem he's in herself over the year without his cats it's a big time and I just spoke to them a few days ago they keep on talking about the babysitter is not a good one doesn't take good care of the cats there's talking about ten thousand dollars worth of two cats and left them there they're babies mom is gone to the house pictures all over the world yeah I'm not joking some people are very very attached I remember a guy that listened to the show every day is still listening right now he wrote me a name that says don't worry about the cats I have a way tell them to send the thirds Israel and when it gets here I'll take care of them don't worry about it you remember okay fine so let's show another video but if the Bella Vader he's the mother and he cannot benefit he shouldn't give it back why mishom become a honey lay because at the end of the day you're giving back a cat and that's that's what he wants and that's what he needs and you're giving him enough it's very interesting I'll just point out real quickly if you understand the grade if not not don't worry about it the mission has three cases three nice guys one nice guy pays you half a shekel one nice guy pays your loan and one nice guy returns you're Aveda so what we're saying is who's the nice guy this guy um basically the rat is saying that the the nice guy in the Michela is split up sometimes the nice guy he's the mother he's Usher to have enough from you and sometimes that's the whole bottom line in the Run in this nakuda that the mission is not consistent who's the mother sometimes it's the guy paying paying to have a shekel and sometimes it's the guy returning the the in other words the guy returning the Aveda is different than the guy paying the khive and the guy because the guy in the mission of the guy paying the hive and the guy paying the master shackle he's he's the nice guy and the other guy is not a lot of benefit from him the other guy is the mother oh there's the opposite by the returning of the Heifetz the guy returning is the mother so the rant says we just have to say all cases to cover all all all situations fine says the gemara um even in this case where the mother is the ballaveda mother you let her return it why they're like so here you have the two spars he returned this cat that he owned before he didn't give him any monetary benefit whatsoever and therefore it's mother foreign and before the first lotion is is the maxer a mother or not okay that's enough kimino by the way I just heard a beautiful thing that revironment Bells he wants he's walking the street and he found a stamp and he got extremely excited that he could do ashovic because he's never done in his life he's a rabbit he walks with you know hold on when does he find something before he can ever find the wallet some other is going to jump and it's like his first time okay but it's a mids in the Torah oh yeah I mean oh that's no that's in something else not in order known certain things to go and get us sheep but to give back a stamp I don't think no no the the Amit Senator is not erased from a static there's no such thing if it's not like though but a stamp is the video anyways he made a whole a whole uh he brought a whole tickling to show the whole thing he made a big SIM card of it huh you made a big announcement you made a big announcement and one of the hasidum saw how excited it was and nobody's coming forward he came forward just to give him a little I don't know my rebby remember when when the whole thing with the internet came out they did a whole thing against internet so somebody went and said what if what if somebody finds in the street open internet open internet source he says you for sure shouldn't return it you're not going to return it okay Mario tonight are you serious like he thought like the internet kind of thing like uh well if it's if it's Pirates it's part it's all going to come now so the mission the gamar brings Aria again the same right that we have before nah says in a city that you get paid for returning your object foreign [Music] according to my Lord says when the maxer the the I'm sorry the ballaveda is the mother here in this case manage what you see on the screen the Bala Veda is a mother he's also to benefit from the magazer but nevertheless you allowed to return it so again the Run says we're talking about even in a case where they both mother on each other and why are you allowed to return it you allowed to return it because the ballaveda is not benefiting anything because it's his cat the the other guy the master is a lot of returning because he's not gaining anything from the pro today of Joseph there's no gain here the ballaveda it's his cat the magazer he doesn't gain a Pluto great uh so in this situation I understand why in this case the maxer shouldn't take a salary why because he's a mother or not okay and if if he says I refuse to take the money there's another problem the Bible shouldn't keep that money why because he's also a mother he can't he can't benefit what if the case is this that when Avi is a mother then Noam cannot return it why because he's getting his cat back and it's also for him to benefit even that foreign so let's look at this again this case is not in the mishnah why the mission says you allowed to return the Messiah this case you can't return the material why because the guy's getting his cat bag and so much benefit from him nah so what's the mission of talking about uh we have to be talking about this case the only case is that the mother who's awesome the Mercer that's what the mission is talking about if that's the case the same question as we had before why can't you get a salary oh oh no that didn't make sense if his mother hold on a second hi there it's welcome hello my name is mother right here oh why shouldn't yet why shouldn't the guy giving back the money why shouldn't be able to take a salary and on that thing tomorrow says economy so we remain with Akasha because we remain a cashier Durant says something very interesting that we always go Allah according to the second lotion it's the biggest site in Allah you learn this from the round here we have two little shyness and because the gamara has a question on this piece so therefore whether the maxer or the ballaveda our mother you give back to Aveda okay you give back because on that side you don't give back you might have a big question on that so you give back to Aveda in both cases should we go should we see the next thing let's see let's just at least Turn the Page sponsored by Uncle colon official mdy MSP this was being able to support the military and to finish shots of the Rebellion [Music] a guy didn't pick up a loaf of bread but it was Hefner and he's within dollars of that loaf of bread and he says Walmart this loaf of bread should be foreign okay two things happen so he decided this over bread should be hegdish he's not allowed to use it anymore then he went Mal uh not of Allah he went and he ate it he has the the Mila is as if he ate the whole loaf of bread he has to pay 20 percent why okay if he if he lifted it fine whatever he lifted it up he did a maisa so he has to pay he has to bring a carbon and Britain 20 however this is a very interesting Allah which I still don't understand 100 but Richard levanov if he only had intent to give it to his children but not to acquire it out of hagdish he gets a special he has to pay only whatever benefit he got by telling his children that he's going to be Mario stem all over bread what I don't understand I could share with you if somebody has a good shot if you use Mayo he should be a model completely and if he wasn't my old he wasn't male at all what does it mean he's male is like in Yeshiva they said I know it's a very strong language but nobody's semi-pregnant either you're 100 pregnant or not pregnant at all either you're a moyo and you have to pay the 20 in a carbon or you weren't my only pay zero what does it mean your mile a little bit only by the Hana okay so whatever he was he said he's going to take that or not fine have a wonderful day