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cool on i feel loved if you're wearing 10 garments like we we like a typical guy today undershirt then you have a scissors then you have a shirt and a sweater and a coat you can understand it could get to five six you have to do creole [Music] i feel love you only tear the upper garment on a father and a mother you have to rip korea on all the clothing that piccolo aina mckevis some sort of scarf some sort of thing some say it's a actually an undershirt and a maccabus it's not really part of the goddamn so you don't need to hear it and this one understanding is applies to a woman as well by a woman we have an issue of sneers so what she could do is let's say by a parent where she has to rip all all the goddam so as you can see in this picture it's not so much a woman but they sneeze you can see a little beard going on here what she would do is tear creo and then flip the shirt around like you see in this picture because this person is facing that way so i guess you take your hands out of your sleeves you flip it around now the rip the tear is in the back the front is completely covered now she could do so let's see it first goes so this idea of flipping around would go on the the undergarment the not underground the lower garment the one that's closer to her body flip it around now that her body is covered with reserves with her asses and then she could do kriya on the upper one alcohol amazing so we have here maybe zoom in a little bit over here i need to see this a little better okay so we have this today by the neck you have a little bit of a tear and this is normal you buy things like that our collars are open right over here a v-neck so if somebody was to tear over here you wouldn't notice that it's a theory you think it's a continuation of this v it's just a longer v this is the safa according to rashi this is richard say it's the exact reverse but according to rashi the safa is the edge kame suffer means before the edge so what you could do is you can do korea in the center of the shirt like this before the safa before then you just tear it right over here by all relatives rotsam abdulkami safa shallow road so any mavdil if it's not the best korea in the world it's something like this it also works at the end of the day he tore so somebody might come and not notice great by the way i got to tell you the story again it's a sad story for me maybe there's a lesson to be learned i have no idea but after my mother's funeral we were rushing to the airport to get there just roll the entire family brought her tired to this role so we're getting we got to uh you know it's kennedy we got there and uh the people from alau were very nasty to us what do you think this is coming so late and we were very hurt like can you see we just came from a levaya we're all crying and our clothes are ripped and everything anyway we're on the plane and a guy comes over to me middle of the flight and he says i noticed that what they did to you terrible i want to tell you that they have no idea that you came from a funeral he's like mulam i said well what do you say he says they have no idea what priya is they don't know that you you have ripped things they think that you're shner i said it's impossible they're jewish and they know so i started i said you know what let me ask some of these stewardess so i started asking i said do you know what this is no no clue you don't know why people tear no i said but you see this every day what is it explain to her oh i got a guy one of the what do they call them not a steward uh flight attendant a male flight attendant i said do you know what this is he goes of course i know what that is it's korea it's like the guy was wrong and then he says of course you know what it is they taught me in in whatever village i ca i come from in israel i'm i'm an arab and they taught me that this is korea i couldn't believe it the the one guy from all the flight attendants that knew wasn't even jewish but the flight attendants anilao had no idea what korea was to me that was sad but okay so so but another mason on the on the um ownership now yeah no i'm not there's this was literally 20 years ago it is it's under a fermenter so hopefully you know i call that mason cool you you think that it they should have a certain sensitivity or whatever russell coming officially on a parent you have to do the this type of creole which is mavdill according to rashi i mean we don't do it like that and so it almost goes like the other is shining today but fine you do it like this so there's a real heck there you see the creo it's nothing it's garbage if you don't if you don't cut it in the middle honorable my time is we're talking about elisha he sees his rebbe elio go up he thought it was all over so he tore his got him into two masters he tore it and he in i don't know already it's too ello in other words the gemara is telling us that there's two things there was two koreas going on there by elisha one was this and one was this one was appear it was that's what it means there's actually two i call it [Music] um what does this mean good thing we have pictures it's like stitching i wanted to bring my son here yo you want to come down and show what dr factor did to your face there's a guy that stitches like this and then you have dr factor he's like this so i mean i've seen pictures unfortunately people in massive accidents like trauma like they stitch them up real quick like just just to get that body together it's like this so says the gemara aquaman after seven days you can do one of these jobs and after 30 days i mean what are you going to throw your suit out you take you go to dr factor he'll stitch it up nice like like a plastic surgeon nice and fine great i love him i'm not kidding he stitched up my son just two weeks ago i asked i asked everybody in the neighborhood who do you go to everybody said you got dr factor yeah you know why it's what does it go pro come here and say this for me part of it quit broke he gives out to mars in his office i have to uh if anybody needs plastic surgery on their face dr factor my friend just remember it okay i asked him where the gemara started he says no not in this office not in this israel but he has in his other whatever fight you ever follow the the barber you have dr factor the surgeon the the whatever zog de gea mario kami's in cooldown oh you're saying the same thing we're following you're in competition you're a barber like okay fine i got it i call him amazing cooler trailer now he's gonna go into his ball joke he's not a barber okay fine so after 30 days you can just stick it up really nicely wear the clothing i love alimony sherlock installation venus if you want to stitch it up terribly great but you never could bring back that suit into top shape it's gone forever i know a lot of people when they see that their parent is they they start wearing the clothes that they don't really need anymore because it's gone voices are allowed to allow to make void though but a woman we have to be macbeth on her covet and how she looks and she immediately after the funeral go home sew it back up a little bit he also ravenous rotten periodically declises rashi very interesting i mean we're talking about a different generation you're talking about where clothing something like this probably cost i don't know a hundred thousand dollars how are you gonna sell it you can't even sell it like that they every baghead was done by hand very very expensive so if somebody's gonna do kriya take a razor blade cut it nice and sharp and then after the shiv you could sew it up now you'll know the difference looks to say but if you do it by hand it's a terrible that's it it's done you just rip it it's a terrible tear so for all relatives rip by hand on a father mother you're ripping with the today because it's impossible you're coming to show me your stitches come come let's go yo let's go let me see i've never even looked at it where is it show me i can't believe it look at this zoom in over here the doctor factor stitches they're invisible literally invisible unbelievable what are you doing oh this chair he told you a couple hands there help him out don't hit the guy in the head there's a new guest there fine so today what we do is they start it with a cli they take a razor and they do a little bit and then from there you go on because it's almost impossible to try if you try to rip your jacket or whatever it's impossible so that's ok so some learn biflim is like in private you do it under your shirt or you do it in a room but a parent you do it in public you have to show that velos the same thing applies to the nasi maestva usually we said that you can't bring the garment back to life ever that was the only thing that we compared to a father and mother my love affiliate we're talking about a nasty like the bar minosi nasi also needs the kriya has to be done on the outside outside of the room or outside of the beggar says the gemara's story died or afghanistan this is beautiful for my argument that i had yesterday do you show off and say ah it's not show off you say oh i donated money to mdy i said i did it for a reason i had a sorry for it by the way nobody called me up yesterday to donate more money what is going on it's going to print in two days somebody has some money wants to give this duck if this is the great here you know what for all those guys all those guys that skipped the emails they didn't see what i did yesterday here it is the greatest return on investment in zidaka 35 you bring somebody to torah not only him his family he becomes a better businessman avi's putting his head down go zoom in on navi for a second give someone the gift of torah change a person's life what does it say in green change a person's family that's just one of the many things it literally is a life change for 35 30 i challenge you right now anybody know what here let's go bring the credit card jonathan get over here lily nicholas your mother what are we doing how much 10 thousand did i hear ten thousand oh today is that oh if we finish today's staff today oh okay somebody donate some money we'll get there okay so anyways but raphael kanewski says there's a big mitzvah to make you see him in public oh about big bug what is he showing off did he made a scene no it's inspire the people you see over here this idea sometimes you jump on a stone you show people what to do you have to show people sometimes they don't know how to get to dhaka 500 shekel five shekel five gamoras judo david you gave 350 last guimar you're valid five gamers beautiful okay we're not raising money now let's go that knack and sales will do a different time on sunday i'd even get a free tomorrow for that you don't get freaking marshall donating money you got three months for bringing people in it doesn't you could spend ten thousand dollars i'm not going to give you a gemara yeah i will i will for that i will you didn't ask for it there's no torah in the basement you go with the show we know that allah comes in he changes his seat hyoid suffers from darwin you sit in the north you go to the south how you actually soften notice there's no if you sit in the middle i could take you to the maya river this is an interesting here but the kinesis is what we learned in megillah that's sorry about london remember every city has to have 10 people that are dedicated to torah and tv those are the ten but okay interesting allah you have to do create satire so we get together you're gathering chives and decrease attire you lane seven people and that's it [Music] it doesn't mean that the schools are down the base measures down you shouldn't be learning you shouldn't you shouldn't yeah you shouldn't be learning but doesn't mean that you should take vacation and go on trips with your kids sit and be bavos vain and you don't talk in torah in the base table i still i when i learned this the first time i said to myself i'm going to look into it and i forgot to look into it so if somebody could just give me i'm sure it's a very simple shot why is it in the base of evil they learn it's i know but it says you shouldn't learn it says you shouldn't say anything i thought maybe the first thing i was thinking because you learned caleb over there it's such a tire for the oval i don't know i don't know the shot you say this chad he says because to say kavish and he says novel doesn't listen so that's a big kurdish to me if the other doesn't listen great then i hear i never knew that i thought that available are part of it um means the first week all seven days a night seven percent doesn't mean the first shabbos it means the first week hey guys so you shouldn't leave why people are coming to be nakamavo you don't leave rabbi said listen to this and tell me what you see here it says the second week he shouldn't go to seat he goes to show he shouldn't sit in the seat says he goes back to see then he doesn't speak review fourth week i didn't find the source i don't know again i might be wrong somebody find me a source we don't sit in our seat by velos we someone who's over doesn't sit for the whole where year doesn't say anywhere i couldn't find anywhere what's the source of where it says two weeks i'm finished the famous story with the only going we don't have time but why not the story here of chavez there's a guy that came to vilna and he says this woman who her husband is when did i just say it [Music] you weren't here too bad for you judah i just said the story but it was a few months ago you know the gemara also has a few months a few weeks ago i want to hear it but the ten thousand people okay fine real quickly the guy came and he says i was married to that woman who's a aguna she says i i don't recognize you so well it's 15 years i changed a lot so bring this right he was good everything she asked him he answered it's a funny story like how is it possible so they went to the vanguard what should we do it doesn't look right like he knows everything so then it says bring him to shula and chavez and tell him to go to a seat and that's what they did they came to show and the guy was confused he had no daddy didn't know he found out all the information about the husband but he forgot to find out that one little detail what's it [Music] take it out of bounds says tomorrow [Music] brings it down and where did he get it from but where does he get it from where does rama get it from okay says the gemara review there's a shift he takes everything and moves it over one week he says the first week doesn't you don't have to give me the allah everybody understands by themselves you don't leave to the house people are coming there to visit you so let's just flip just whatever you said in the first week happens in the second week but every second on the second weekend in the third week reviews third week he goes out to shoal but he doesn't sit in the seat the fourth week he goes back and he sits in a seat and he doesn't understand we haven't seen why the rama says you do this for 12 months he just shifted it over one more week [Music] a person should not get married for 30 days after his wife dies why so we have to see tyson's hair the first time i saw tyson's i saw three reasons and then i read it again this morning and i saw entices something different i think thais is giving us a lesson in binary really it says places there are massachusetts says that it it's three young he says i'm sorry says there's no source just over time no source okay three yamana what's the significance of three young him do not forget that the seas don't it's not nice to just jump in and get married as if she didn't exist you have to show that you love their village there's a problem having relations with a woman thinking about another woman person says well you know my other wife she the coco she made wow unbelievable you know chocolate chip cookie don't do that not a good thing seriously the gemara is teaching us how to be considered to other people says the gomorrah oval shops are trying to eat some infested asari not there congratulations he cannot get married until he has three of them taught him like asukas pesach and schwartz now how do we passing like an availability lakula so to be too young okay but we're passing that you have to wait three on taiwan why but in a velocity we go likula the answer is and i uh oh very good vermis i didn't understand it yesterday and mama's a few minutes before sheer i saw somebody says that it's it's not a halal sir over here it's how to treat another person it's not us it's about treating the ex-wife that not the ex-wife the wife that was the terrorist that has nothing to do and for that um oh we're not there yet he has kids you say these have kids here we're getting in a second says if he doesn't have children mutually so out there he's allowed to get married immediately the shogunate says that he could get engaged immediately even during the shiva but he can't marry her until after shiva and some say someone's trying to actually say until after slicing why because of the tremendous myths of approval now what what about no i'm saying yeah but i'm saying after shiva but others show him satisfaction so i thought this is a big killer if a person has a grandchild is he is children died his own children died but he has grandchildren's approval yes and no if he has a boy and a girl grandchildren he's yata kiddush rabbi only if the boy is from one kid and the girls from another kid if the boy and the girl are for one child it's as if he only had one child because it's whatever the spar over there is but i thought it was a very interesting sparrow let's just go fight bonim by the way if a hussein gets married and there's a tragedy in the family the cow loses a parent right there and then his heel of pro revue overcomes velos if he has young children and as there is shiny explain young children need a mother they need the warmth of the mother a father can't possibly do the job of a wife of a mother mutually so out there he's allowed to get married right away parana sasan for their care you hear this it's not the same thing growing up just with the father is not the same thing as the warmth of the mother my sister is his wife this is a crazy story he sees his sister-in-law in the basic forest as they're burying his wife and what is he thinking of the welfare of his children and he tells her in the basic pharisees go take care of your nephews and nieces in other words let's get married he didn't have relations with her for a long time he waited for 30 days but it was important for him that his children shouldn't be left without a mother even for one minute for us foreign yeah my two brother-in-laws no first of all it's possible even for going to be in the basic forest if you're out of dollaramas of the of the mason one of the biggest problems in a second marriage is the stepmother you know that famous stepmother and the children what's the issue part i think part of the issue is that the stepmother the new wife is a little jealous of these children that the husband her new husband gives a lot of attention to the children and when the new wife is a aunt and she's close to the children so she loves the children and in fact the shogunate brings it he says it's a there's a it's better to marry the sister-in-law and if you do there's a special hunter getting married during shiva because she's a better mother than anybody else the your ladder for the your to also to press your clothing during the slicing in chicago i have friends in chicago two friends that have basketball courts in their basements but i have a friend this you never heard of probably have a friend who has a dry cleaners in his basement kid you're not he's very into clothing and shalom if there's a closure or it's impossible to get it there he could go in this basement and he has all the machinery needed for dry cleaning i know that he uses my dry cleaner chicago but yeah just this is some people have basketball courts some people just fish it out there's such a thing effective if they're brand new shirts clothing ventilation older ones that come out of the press fresh awesome review the only answer is wearing a fresh garment right out of the package says there's two conditions it needs to be white and brand new let's say the clothing is colored a blue shirt that's not a problem or let's say it's white but it's old not a problem new and white that's the problem says the gemara he went with says rash used old white clothing and was ironed pressed like rabbi that only brand new is asur but yoshino's so he went with a brand new one but it's red ribbon shimmy oh he's not here mandy martin is rocky the famous shiva he told the buckhorn boys i'm coming with a olive colored frac to give my sheer clawley out of color frack the phone calls went out the whole all the time the old ones come running in there everyone wants to see what mark martin is rocking with the olive color frack base manager jam packed he walks right in with a black frock what's going on what you never saw a olive that's black okay but rava went with a red bright red okay so we learned in the mishnah that chavez we know shabbos counts as one of the seven days you don't have to count another day if you have a showers every week has a shabbos and shiv is only seven days venom have seconds but it doesn't break up the shiva like yantav vyantav jantiv comes three days into shiva you don't sit shiva after yantev shabbos obviously continues shiva continues sunday monday says between the judeans from you then the gallow turning to the gimbal on the base sponsored by marshall horne and woody wyman as it scores for morty moss with sponsored inaudible [Music] bathing with hot water privately things in private so one say there is available in shabbos you continue yes you're not gonna everybody agrees that in public you don't do any availables what about in private this look at this real quickly because we're getting laid here mandome and chavez beshabas militante this is for han and president the copenhagen the last line in texas did my mascot the second places the wide lines only in the bottom biroshavia flourish time of the shabbos day inaudible when it comes to shabbos it's a bracha this is a bracha because there shouldn't be any more sadness together with the bracha ibrahim since shabbos is a bracha there's there shouldn't be any sadness the duma maggot says a martial somebody asked the river for a bracha so he says i'll give you a bracket that the first thing you touch you're going to be very much slayed with first thing you do up give out he goes home he runs over to his wife he says give me all the money immediately immediately she says no what do you mean he says give it to me immediately it's going to be no way what do you just tell me what you're talking about i'm not telling you what i'm talking about just give me the money i got it the kids are before you know it they had a massive fight says the double mag he was very mature the first thing he did is very very successful so and he says about chavez shabbos is the first thing you do when you are happy on shabbos when you have sympathy the entire week you're good if you take that fight you the first thing you do is that fight so the rest of the week is going to be a fight the villain going says when you have a when a khajubar who gives you a bracha there's no activist when you see that there's something wrong then it's not hashem's thing it's not it's not the brother hashem is giving you yes [Music] it says that it's one of the days of the seven days oil means it counts for something so you see that there is available you shouldn't do it it doesn't break up the availas now listen to this here's a little bit of a hop i have a chart and it could help out a lot here it is check this out here are your seven days of availas one through seven is smack in the middle let's say your shamas these are the these are you can't do this you can't wear shoes you can't bathe you can't take a haircut and it continues over here if shabbos is also red if shabbos is red does the mission have to tell me it doesn't break it up of course it doesn't break it up it's seven consecutive reds why would shabbos break up the shiva it's a regular day of avalus from the fact that the mishnah tells me that it doesn't break it up is a raya that you don't do availas and if you don't do availability look it's green so green smack in the middle should break it up and you know you shouldn't continue our velos that's why the mission says it doesn't break it up you hear it's a little bit of a cop right here again let's repeat this because it's a little bit tricky if shabbos was just like the other days that you couldn't do availa you are an oval and you continue not doing varnish with cinnamon your oval then there's no reason in the world why i would have have amina that shabbos is a half sick and you shouldn't continue available you're doing available it's just a regular day from the fact that the mission says don't think it broke it up tells me that there is no availus it's actually green and there's a half a meter that should break it up and the mission is telling me it's not breaking it up inside is it's a regular day it's red why would i make absolutely but i have a question what the other man said it says that it's it's massive that you are mesabo it says that it's oila as one of the days so the kumara added to bioluminescence by the yamato it says that says you have to perform available you can't do anything privately ain't a map why would i even think that it's mapstick if you don't do anything i've seen it on erasure am i saying okay it's just a it's a lotion that we're mimicking from the sepha it says perhaps this is you have a person a person is a ainan because his parents somebody a car have died and it's right there in front of him there's a concept of legola rush right when you go to basic foreign why because you don't want to poke at fun at the mace and say hey look i i'm kind of a mitzvah that's making fun to the maze in his face like i said don't send me pictures of skiing it's not nice so somebody can ski so misha makes them with a little fun you don't want to eat taking care of your bodies and and then feeding it what if you don't have another house go to your friend's house right you don't have a friend everybody hates you so you put up a ten wall hey you're so poor you don't even have something uh sheet maps so you eat in front the dead person is laying over there turn around don't don't don't poke fun at him but don't do this this is a saving time in the gemara they used to lean like we do on pesach lean and eat don't do this what else can you do vayner mesa voice vein oil could an oval drink wine and eat meat rabbi sai yes this guy cannot do it you might come different purushim not so much available it's more that you might forget about your mason not deal with them vehement he shouldn't say abraham he's ain't in he doesn't make rockets name is amen he doesn't do this and nobody makes it for him and he doesn't we're feeling like this guy will be coming to samurai he doesn't do any mitzvah in the torah they take out the word with filling because you don't wear it on chavez will be called mitsusamus battoro and everything all the menses uh who said okay i hear comments but over here it's no i don't know if you're right we have to look into it because obvious matters it's definitely because it's bifano remember this but you usually are right so i don't know says leo you're kind of in all the mitzvahs but we just said in all the misfits so what is he adding according to and according to he's not that seems very familiar are you permitted to do dwarim shiva seizure or not that's exactly the the first line of the ahmad it seems like the same alchemist whether or not you could you have to act or not says the reason why it's awesome to have relations because the dead person is right there over in our case we're we're middle of the shiva they may sing with a lover maybe it's mother that kind of like come around became a little host says that's mother to have to do i know because the body wasn't buried yet so that veils didn't even start maybe agrees that since the avelos started then it's us attachment have a wonderful day and a great chavez muncie chavez in russia at 8 30. you