Daf Yomi Menachos Daf 63 by R' Eli Stefansky

GOOD MORNING BOYS. AH. DO THIS MERCY MERCY MERCY MERCY MERCY MERCY mercy mercy mercy. Welcome. Welcome to all the guests we have with us. Our CEO, the very very Yossi Klein. Ah. Came in all the way from the rain. >> [laughter] >> Unbelievable. What a son. What a What was the son of the son of the son of the son of the son of the son of the son of the son of the son of the son of the son of the son of the son. What a son of a son of a son of a son. That was the highlight. Ah. At least for me. Wow. Unbelievable. We have with us all the way in the back. He's a son of a son of a son of a son of a son of a son of a son of a son of a son of a son. On the very very first day of the year. He's a son of a son of a son of a son of a son of a son of a son of a son. I have I saw him walking. I said, "You got to come just for a few minutes." So, once in a while he he stops in to see what's going on. Um this guy says I dressed up like a son of a son of a son of a son of a son. You You enjoying? He says it's a son of a son of a son of a son of a son of a son of a son. To that Yossi. Thank you to Yossi. He changed my who changed my life. A son of a son of a son of a son of a son of a son of a son and also do the son of a Once upon a time at the end of the day in order to calm myself down, I would sit in front of the computer, of course. It was with Net Free. With a special filter, but with a AI. Today before I go to sleep, I go through the emails and the different videos. Thank you for all the for the investment and the Betzalel Sonnenberg. So, February mail him. he only sees the emails from the Dorim D'af Base. I don't Well, I guess the emails and the AI, that's why he knows about Rabbi Cohen. >> [clears throat] >> Okay, I think I said this already yesterday. Mickey Nudell This is Yaakov Eisenbach from a fan from Lakewood. Okay. Dear Rabbi Eli, I've been doing the daf since we have Gimel, of course, and I feel like I can actually learn for the first time. 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Yonatan Eitan came knocking at my door on Friday. He says shalom aleichem. Yeah, he came with a guy. Whole thing says he's he's not holding it, coming to the shiur. And he goes to sleep earlier and this, but he want he wanted a hug from me Erev Shabbos. So I gave him two hugs. Refuah shleimah Mordechai ben Esther. Refuah shleimah Yael Daniel Zev ben Ayelet Esther. Reboise, I here we go. Daf [clears throat] sameach gimel amud aleph. Chaimer. Hareilay bimachvas. Loyaviy bimachashes. Start off with a stick of video. What's the difference between a machvas and a machashes? You know what? Let's Let's see the mishnah. And then we'll see if the video is correct. I know that we did a little bit of a change. At 12:00 in the morning, Yossi told me it's already done. Let's see. If a person says I have a mincha, but bimachvas. Notice that there's a base here. Not a real bimachvas. Hareilay bimachvas. The gemara says later it makes an af gemina. Bimachvas. One means the actual frying pan, one means what you do in the frying pan. Loyaviy bimachashes. Machashes is the deep one, deep fried. And the machvas is like we know today, a flat frying pan. If he says bimachashes, I want to bring him a machashes. Loyaviy bimachvas. Mavi machvas umachashes. So until now, we know the difference between a machvas and a machashes is one has a lot of They have the same amount of oil, but because it's a deep deeper pan, so the oil stays in there and it it's more of a spongy kind of a mencha. And the flat one where the oil burns out, so it becomes harder. That's how we always know. Now we're going to see something new that we haven't seen ever. >> [clears throat] >> Rebbe Yosi Hagelili says the marcheshes has a cover. It's a pot with a cover. Machvas ain't no kisu. It's the same idea, I believe, that when it has a cover, the oil gets trapped inside the the klee, so it's it's a it's a softer bread. Machvas ain't no kisu. When it doesn't have a cover, so it evaporates, becomes tougher. The marcheshes is deeper and the the oil, like still, you know, like the the the the schnitzel, the chasanah, the oil is still in there. It's like shaking around over there. Not your chasanah. Machvas tzafo. The machvas is a shallower dish. Um question. Here goes the video. Rebbe Yosi I think a lot. Do you have a frying vessel? Would you like a machvas or a marcheshes? What does it matter? It's all the same. They're absolutely not the same. According to Rebbe Yosi Hagelili, a marcheshes had a cover, while a machvas had no cover. And according to Rebbe Chanina ben Gamliel, the machvas is shallow, so there's no room for the oil, so the mencha comes out hard. While the marcheshes is deep, it bakes in the oil and comes out soft. Are you a salesman or a Daf Yomi maggid shiur? >> [laughter] >> You're right. It's all because of MDY, maseches menachos has completely taken over my brain. I hear Rebbe Hillel everywhere I go. All right. My time with Rebbe Yosi. So now the Gemara just goes into where did he get this from? He learned in my my my chest says the answer is who she alive. If my chest comes because of the inner thoughts, you you bring them on a double because you feel like you did something wrong to the inside your heart. Nobody knows about it. You had a bad thought. It's my heart. My heart was whispering something. So you see in the positive idea What? Yeah. Yeah. It's quite Okay, you're right. Your heart is covered. Just like your your heart is covered so to the pot is covered. Well, my first the answer is I pay. Whereas the frying pan comes for things that you speak out things you talk about other people in chief. You mean you book it. Like a like a like a bark of a dog. It's a lotion of that comes out of the pit of the mouth. So my first is the lotion of my first my number. So There's a there's a famous my soul where There was a guy a landlord. And the landlord had a a tenant in Al Mana. And she wasn't paying rent. So this guy decided what is he going to do? He tried to try to get rent. Try to evict her. So he came up with a brilliant idea. He took the roof off her house and it was in the middle of the winter. And somebody was freezing. And the same says that he he knows the story and he was waiting to see how he's going to punish this guy because it says in the Torah he's going to take take care of the Al Mana. And sure enough one day this guy is walking in the street and a rabbit dog bit him. And this guy started barking like a dog. And he dropped dead. I knew where he was at. This No, I don't want to. It didn't help that I'm on it so cuz what he says I'm going to take I'm going to punish the the person that takes that does that I'm on it. That's the that's the that was the whole point to see there a bunch of laymen. Maybe the maybe the item got together. The the Hafetz Chaim another maaseh where the Dubno Maggid was walking in the street. Hafetz Chaim says the story over. And he sees he sees an almana walking with a yasom. >> [clears throat] >> Not only that, almana is blind. So Dubno Maggid walks over to her and says, "Is there anything I can do to help you out?" So she says, "I don't have heat at home. I don't have food." So he says, "You know what? My house is your house. Come to my house." Dubno Maggid took care of her and the yasom for a few years. He actually hired a private rebbe. And had the rebbe learn with this child. Says the Hafetz Chaim, "Who is this child?" This child became Reb Kluger. Kluger Says the Hafetz Chaim, "How many times have we passed in the street an almana and we say in our heart, 'Oy nebach, what a nebach. She's blind.' And mamash and then you just keep on walking. Keep on walking. And how many Klugers how many Klugers do you do you pass up in the street?" What say you? It's poshut that every one of us here passes by the Klugers the Reb Klugers of our generation. I'll tell you a maaseh shoyn with me. Mamash. I did not pass up >> [clears throat] >> the flame Kluger I went and I convinced a guy that was like an almana. An almana, he was bankrupt from Torah, bankrupt from Yiddishkeit. Convinced him to come to the sheer and he turned out to be Reb Benny Rodnick. >> [applause] >> And every one of us knows that guy in shul that hasn't opened up a safer in 10 years. In 10 years. >> [clears throat] >> And we say to ourselves, "Oh, yeah. Let the Perchaim Rubin take care of him. Let Pliny take care of him." No. It's our heel. It's not just almana. It's the Yosam, the Yosam of Torah. The Yosam, we have the opportunity to stop and say, "Come to the Beis Medrash. I'll change your life." He's raising his hand. So, let me tell you what I don't know what he wants to tell me, Yossi. But I will tell you, he does he drives people to Egypt. This is what he does, Yossi. The our coin, our new coin from Manchester, drives people to Egypt. Yossi K. And he he tells people that if you start doing the daf, I'll take $500 off the trip. Five and he's got a bunch of people and they they text him, "Yeah, I'm starting the daf. I'm doing the daf." Is that what you wanted to tell me? >> One better. One better. Let's hear. One more. The one client that did connect, I was walking with his son on Shabbos. Yeah. I said to Yossi, "I was shocked. My father has never opened a safer in his life. And he must be 60 years old. This Shabbos? This Shabbos? Just now he started to go, "Ah, ah, ah." There you go. Wow. It's worth the $500. And he's It's to pay you millions of dollars, but as a good man, that's just a a funny lesson. So, [laughter] anyway. Once was enough. No, you can tell him to drive slower. >> [laughter] >> He has He has two speeds. He has Yossi has two speeds. 140 miles an hour, 135. >> [laughter] >> All right. Rabbi sorry, it's not a joke. So, look, you you got a guy to start learning Torah. Yossi's He sponsored the DAF. I think he sponsored DAF being somebody to Torah also. Listen, you you're like one track minded. >> [laughter] >> He wants people to sponsor DAF, but somehow he tied it in there. Okay, let's go back there. Look at the Gemara. Says the Gemara in April. You're telling me you found a positive that the word Mahvah sounds like Minabak, like a bark. All that I got. I want to tell you a story. No, not a story, seriously. I want to tell you this is It happened to This is a story that a guy told it to me this week. Three, four days ago. It's a guy that does the shiur already for 6 years, hasn't missed a single day in shiur. Comes from a Satmar background. He went off the derech, and now he's doing very, very well. I might say you can't you can't believe the story. When he was not religious, he was walking in Ben Yehuda 1:00 in the morning, and he sees a little kid on a bench. He tells his [clears throat] friend, "Look at this kid on the bench, 1:00 in the morning." We're going to fix the whole world now. So, keep on going. Two days later, they're walking by and they see the same kid on the same bench. So, the guy says, "I got to I got to do something." So, he walks over to kid he says tells him in Hebrew he says if shall I something so the kid answers him back in English. Oh, you speak English yeah. Yes back and forth. What's your name? He almost faints. It's his own brother. His own brother got shipped off to America and became homeless at the age of nine. And how many thousands of people I'm thinking to myself how many thousands people walked by this kid in Ben Yehuda didn't say a word. But he took the took the the initiative and walked over to this kid and then saved him. Like took him to the house he had him there for four five or whatever it is brought him up. He brought him at his But put him the the the the coincidence that him and his brother the kids are just the mice of guy taking action cuz a lot of us we see things and just feeling bad in your heart is zero. Mom is a zero. Taking action doing something about it that's when it counts. >> [clears throat] >> So tomorrow Makh vas where I live Makh vas where I live maybe a makh vas is something hidden. Why did you hide? with Royak Makh Khushe Cuz people say have a Khushe Khushe Khushe But his lips are are are whispering. So in other words it come it came out. >> [clears throat] >> So you could go both ways. Each word can mean the same thing a different way. I will go my give me we have a tradition the makh vas is the deep pan and has a Khushe has the the cover and according to the the Makh vas what I say Makh vas is open shallow Makh Khushe is deep with the the cover. Makh Khushe Makh Khushe Makh Khushe is deep. Because it says in the positive by inside of my house. My house sofa, the is narrow receive my house. It's on top of the frying pan. Total amount. If a person says the word, I don't know what he means. I'm going to bring you on my house. So what are the options is what you're going to say in a second. Either he means I'm going to bring the I'm going to donate a frying pan. Now you're all thinking You means the the the mincha. Why a frying pan? But we're all wrong. At the end of the time the word is going to say the halacha when a person says my house is it means a frying pan. The actual frying pan. Yeah, no look the the the needs a frying pan once in a while. You have to update and maybe that's what he meant. It goes by what the words what people mean. Rabbi Yankel Galinsky used to walk around with with a pair of eyeglasses in his pocket. He said what what what's this? He said that when he comes, I want to get a brocha from him. I want to schmooze with him. But they're going to say who are you? There's so many people before you in line. So you're going to say, oh I found a pair of glasses and it says you have to go. So they're going to put me in front of the line and then when I get to the front they're going to say new rabbit could you please give me a brocha? Miss Abigail We have a solid what he meant by the word my house is that he means the actual vessel or that he mean what you make in the vessel. Well, both. He only meant one. He could bring both but what you mean as the you can't be him. How can you be him? That's a good question. If he wants to he can I guess. It was actually a vessel that was called a my but don't make it mean now if you look inside the arch dome There's a very interesting picture. Here it looks like this. This is the picture from the article. Why? Cuz Rashi says that it was it's the shape of a of a of a like pliers. Tongs or whatever. The tongue he says. And it And it had on the bottom it had circles that the the dough would be indented into it. So I asked Yossi if he could do something and maybe a little nicer. >> [music] [music] >> The holes and everything, huh? Yeah. >> [laughter] >> You know what it looks like? It looks like those things that you put in your you go to the dentist they put in your mouth. >> [laughter] >> The clothespin? I hear okay, yeah, that. With the dough make it mean calabasas No, Rashi brings the word here it's a funny word gluen which I know doesn't mean clothespin. It means a gluen. I have no idea. Okay, you about to say moon off the cycle and when there's dough in it dough make it mean the avarosan. I'm making this up now. I'm making it up. What does it mean the avarosan? In my mind, I didn't see anybody that says in my mind you know those apples that look like this? The bottom have like So if you if you put dough into that shape so you pull it out it looks like that. Delicious apple. It's just I'm cuz I don't think it fits in here so well cuz it says it can mean the which means acorns. So Oh, maybe maybe the little the the circles on the bottom the bumps are like acorns. Each one is the shape of an acorn, okay? >> trees. The acorn has Very simple. The acorn has bumps. I don't I don't remember having bumps. On top? It says the brush trees. It's the brush trees. It's a tree called the brush tree. Yeah, so what does that have to do with the dough? With the with this mincha? I know it's some sort of apple, but I'm saying what what shaiyichus does that have to your sugiyah? Vayomer. Al mashumin kaylim. Say Bezalel, we're talking about the the the vessels here. We're not talking about the type of bread. Vamacheshes is the name of a k'li. It's like saying frying pan. First it says I want to bring a frying pan to the Beis Hamikdash. In English. He said I want to bring a frying pan. Does he mean the frying pan or does he mean the omelet you make in a frying pan? So Bezalel means a frying pan. Frying pan is a frying pan. You said it. That's it. It it There's a thing called a macheshes. There's a thing called a machvas. Even even in Hebrew, machvas means a a pan, a frying pan. Doesn't mean the mincha made in it. Al mashumin kaylim Bezalel mashumin saying we pass it like Bezalel. So what we thought what we thought was pashut that he meant this, no. He means a pan. What are you showing me? Nothing. Oh, who's the guest? We have Re- Shel- Shel-der's son. What's your first name? Shel aleichem Tzvi. How's the How's the move from Lakewood? Very good. The first week is always gevaldik. Shel is the the the I don't want It's gevaldik. It's gevaldik. They're going to call me the meraglim. Donny Fine calls me the meraglim already. It He never He never said it. He never said it, but that's what he's thinking right now. No. He's at the perfect age. He's gevaldik. What's your names? Sussman? Really? Not related, right? Shel aleichem. From where? South Africa. Oh. Ashkenazi? Do you have an Ashkenaz? For sure. All the South Africans. What's your name? I'm Jabronsky. From? As a South African. Ashkenaz? Welcome. Welcome to the Ashkenaz table. Khasidim sit over there. Ash you know, I'm just kidding. You can't Every khasid that walks in here, they don't even know why. They automatically go to the back left corner. I don't know. Like they have a But I can't have the spot over there already. All right, who else is a guest? It's a It's a rarity these days to have guests. We used to have a lot of guests, but now because of the flights and everything. Who? Oh, that's right. Your daughter's getting married. So, what's the khasid's name? Mo? Boaz Rosenblatt. Mazel tov. Mazel tov to the khasid and kallah. All right. So, I'm going to show you all the pictures and a video. I I might even show you the pictures that we took off the video so you understand cuz when you watch the video, it happens so quickly, you won't appreciate it. I think after you see the pictures and then you see the video, you'll [clears throat] you'll have more appreciation for the video from Yossi Sha- Yossi Yossi Shaka, correct. Haray aleinu lehodot le'adon ha'kol ulehavin ma'aseh bereishit. There's something called a tanur. It's what they used to use in those days. It was very wide on the bottom, narrow on the top. And if a person says, "I want to bring a minkha in a tanur, in some sort of oven," you can't bring it in a smaller kupakh. It's makhloikes. We're going to see in a second that Rebbe Yehuda says, "Kupakh is okay." Same idea, but it's smaller. Veloi ma'afeh ofan, and not bread made on tiles. You know, you light a fire on the tile. Here, so let me just show you what the picture as we're doing it. Here's a kupakh. No good. And this is all the sevaros in my mind. It might be completely off. Tile, something like this. You take a This is a great idea. Not a fire hazard at all. And this is yores ha'arevim. I don't agree with this one. I think it's more like a giant pot on a flame. But it could be he's right. We had something like this that they're saying it's yours and let me just show you. It was a great video. I just like watching this video over and over cuz I like [music] to see how they go into the oven. Their whole body goes like this guy like this guy. I love it. So smart. [music] And and they're playing with fire literally. There's like a fire in the bottom and they I mean the life is just chopped. 26.2 And they have very very like sophisticated [music] ways of spraying the water. They take Coca-Cola bottles and poke holes in the top. This is Regius a pass. Literally it's a what the Torah says it's a take the bread off the corn. Okay, so they say that this is a thing of our VM. Okay. What? And they make thousands in that this place they make thousands a day. >> [clears throat] >> Like that? Yeah, for for lafas. For that round bread? Our boy said they have one of these in we got to go there. The guy goes inside of it? Oh, but maybe it's just a regular oven that comes out of you know ancient on one of those lines, you know, and one of those. I saw them doing lafas like this in Jerusalem. They I don't know what they they Yeah. Well, my viewers are VM. Rabbi would say that this is not true. Rabbi would say this is not true. What's a maybe muffin? He brings a riot. They could also do it. If a person says ton or kubach is included. Okay, so let's see the video. Hm, where is the video? Oh, here we go. I love this. You we all sat on one of these in Yeshiva. You don't even make a zimmer on one of right? Cuz it's like everybody's doing their own thing. Yeah, those are the two. He says the I got to I got to go back because he says it better. Let's stop the positive for a second. That's a tanoor. Okay. Now you see why I showed you the pictures before? You can't tell. It goes way too fast. Okay. Harei, now this we saw a number of times in the Gemara before. The Gemara brought out our Mishnah. Harei alai minchas matzah. Lo yomi mechtza challis u'mechtza rikikin. A person doesn't specify what he wants to bring. He says something that's uh baked, minchas matzah. So you cannot bring half challis and half rikikin. Rikikin doesn't have oil, challis has oil. It's two different things. How can you How can you mix it? Bring one or the other. You can't mix the two. You can't bring 50% challis, 50% rikikin. Or 90% challis, 1% You know, you can't bring nine challis and one rikik. You have to bring all All 10 have to be challis, all 10 rikikin. Reb Shimon matir Reb Neshukha ben Necha, Reb Shimon is going to prove that no, the Torah calls it a korban and then you could You could bring a little bit from this and a little bit from that. Tanna Rabbanan. Reb Yona imer tanoor tanoor shnei pa'amim. Listen to this. >> [clears throat] >> Says in the possuk tanoor tanoor. It's actually two different uh uh problem completely. But, this is what we call a miut acher miut. Why do you say Tanner? Mafah, any mafah. If we get rid of the word Tanner, we got a mafah. Something big. Could be in a kupah, it could be on a on a tile, it could be in a in a Arab uh oven. So, why do you say Tanner, Tanner? So, that's what we call a miut acher miut. The ain miut acher miut ela the rabbos. But, uh a negative after negative is actually a positive. And mamila, it comes to include something that we didn't include before. And what's the most similar to the Tanner would be lahashir mafah kupah or come to include a kupah. Interesting. Reb Shimon omer, Tanner, Tanner shnei pa'amim. That works, what you're saying works if you have the extra word Tanner, you don't know what to do with it. So, you have one miut after another miut. But, since I have what to do with each one of those words, echod shnei afios in the Tanner. One, they have to bake it in an oven. Ve'echod sheyei kodesh in the Tanner. And the second one, that the the Tanner makes it kodesh. What? Oh, that's me. That's my bad. Yeah. Shal al ha kasuv. Yeah. All right. Good kasheh. I don't know. Umislah, I hear Umislah Reb Shimon svara. So, now I'm going to the last thing we just said is that the the oven makes it kodesh. Does Reb Shimon really say that the oven makes it kodesh? That it gives it Because the way it works is you bring the the flour, it only has gushas damim. And then, once you insert it in the oven, says Reb Shimon, it gets an additional gushah of gushas ago. But, now Reb Shimon omer, lo lo havei raglah. my It's like It's interesting line here. Like you should always say like No. I mean you should always say stay with them share is by share is by party. The the [clears throat] the left hand upon him are kosher even if you do it in base party which is outside of the Azara. So Rashi says the interesting thing. If you bake the bread outside of the Azara and the oven makes it cut I should comes out that it's Yaitze. It made a cut dish outside of the Azara and this sort of Yaitze. No. I'm a Aima she had Shom Tanur. I forgot to put it in again. There's a Rashi here. Two Rashis from the bottom. Two lines from the bottom. Look at Look at Rashi. She K'sheya na soil she Yomar. Says Rashi you have to say with your mouth. Rashi she tells it throughout cotton and he doesn't say Yomar also by pigel he says you have to say with your mouth. Yomar al menas foisa b'tanur anim d'isha. I am b'magdish this flour so that I could So So what Rashi is saying is not that the tanur is what gives the d'isha. Your mouth gives the d'isha when you say I am going to make this flour in the oven. >> [snorts] >> All right. I might have a lot of nectar. Now I'm like this. Can you mix up the house in the kitchen? The rabbonim he sacrif K'sheya k'sheya k'sheya last day of Rosh Hashanah. So he's talking about the Dawa. I want to bring it. Carbon mincha. Omar you don't know I really have to have a lot of house in the kitchen. Rebbe Yehuda is of the opinion that you cannot mix them. I don't know carbon mincha. Carbon marti l'ishtam carbonis. But you're taking mixing re kitchen and challahs and putting them in one basket. That's two separate carbonis. I didn't allow that. said one mincha, one carbon. All my little Rebbe Shimon answered Shimon says It doesn't say the word carbon twice. When it talks about challahs it says once the word carbon. Vinemer boy challahs and rikikin. May I so therefore I'm learning what to challahs maybe This is so powerful that the Gemara is going to say what is Rebbe Yehudah doing with this? This is a tiny. The Gemara calls challahs and rikikin one carbon. So you can do whatever you want. Any breakup you want. I had a shaila yesterday for no reason. No not a good reason but just because the loshon throughout the here I'll read it. Love you challahs maybe, rikikin maybe. Mechtza challahs umachtza rikikin maybe. It almost seems like the Gemara says it has to be 50/50. Which doesn't make sense logically but like I wanted to know why but then they said they said in the Hebrew scroll he brings it could be nine and one also obviously. It's I know but I wanted to know for sure like the Rebbe talked about it or something. It cuz the loshon always is mechtza umachtza mechtza. There was a svara to say it's mechtza mechtza because later on here this the next word coming up could force you into saying 50/50 but not mamish. Okay. L'zeiher rikikin maybe. U'v'yad l'hon d'kheimis mishneh. After it's baked. You hear this Rebbe Yisrael after it's baked. Keyword after it's baked. It's hard like a rock. We learned this. It's one of the hardest things we learned to do kmitza on something that's already baked because you have to have very very strong fingers cuz it has to be exactly with your these three fingers. So your pinky has to chop down the bread and and not take off too much that it indent into your finger not to take not to leave too much. So it's one of the hardest things of kmitza. But now Rashi says something else. Look at Rashi. Rashi says u'v'yad l'hon d'la acher afiyason Rebbe says Rebbe Zaid. Poises on umar acher machziro nisalta you're bringing it back, you're reducing it back to the to the flower consistency. So this is the sheet that says there's a sheet that says larger, you know, I don't know what they call them, pieces. And actually over here it says it goes according to Omar that you bring it back down to like a flower kind of consistency. Well, boil them, yeah, matzo meal. Back to the mice of of you know, the person who Well, that's not my matzo meal. That was kosher for Pesach flour and he did a he mixed it with water and he made the cigarettes. He said it's kosher for Pesach, yeah. He gets the flour that goes with the kosher Pesach the flour, not matzo meal. Regular flour kosher for Pesach until you add water. Once you add water, it's it's a big no-no. It's not kosher. It's very very chometz. And if you got in your hand one you did a kmicha from chales and not a rekikin like say, then you're yoitza. No, I'm just saying because of boil them because it seems like it had to be a perfect blila 50/50 and you take kmicha you get 50/50. Nine and one would be a problem, but it's the same exact thing because in every kmicha you do you're going to have nine 90% from this amount and and 10% anyway. Not to confuse anybody. Uh we're going to the sponsors turning to daf a day global happy clients all year, not just this month. The shidduch.com. Please read a shidduch today because every shidduch that happened was first read. We had a Rabbi Willig here yesterday. His son got engaged and he said that the first time that they started looking into the was Ari Simon came over and spoke with him about the other family was the first day they came to the daf. As a you come to the daf it's good for shidduchim. Rebbi Yoisi Rebbi Yehuda Omer What does Rebbi Yehuda say Rebbi Yoisi? Let's just go back Hazara. What does Rebbe Yehuda say? Rebbe Shimon says you could take Rebbe Kikan and Challahs, mix them up, and then you could bring five and five. Rebbe Yehuda says no, it's 10 Challahs or 10 Rebbe Kikan, you cannot mix them. Comes Rebbe Yossi, Rebbe Yehuda, Rebbe Yossi the son of Rebbe Yehuda. He says exactly like his father. So what is he saying different? He has a different meaning. He says "Ma when we're talking about these two Menachos, these are two completely different types of of Menachos. One has oil, one does not have oil. If you mix the one with the oil, if you take oil and you put it on a Menacha that does not supposed to have oil, what happens? It's a big no-no because it says in the possuk Mamesh it's the Reisa You're not You cannot take oil and put it on this Menacha. And if you put it on, you ruined it. I'm pointing it out here because that's the the answer of the Gemara, the difference between him and his father. means that this it's bad. Throw it in the garbage. You're not allowed to have oil on this one. Mamela That's by these two Menachos. So when it talks about Rebbe Kikan and Challahs, the other two types of Menachos, You cannot mix a Challah with a Rocket. So the Gemara is going to take a pause here. But if we stop right over here just so that we have it later on in in a minute or two, Rebbe Yehuda is saying that if you do it even Rebbe Yehuda, it's possul. Why? Because you took You took a Rocket that doesn't have any oil and you mix it with with a with a Menacha that has oil, a Challah, you ruined it. It's you made it also. It's finished, gone. Whereas his father is going to say that after the fact it's okay. So, let's just go into something else for a second. Review the Shafir of Shimon. What's the review they're going to do? Shimon is saying the title. It says the word carbon once on regarding a >> [snorts] >> challah and a rakik. It says carbon, meaning I can mix the two. It's the title. Or even the by Shimon by Shimon. Since here's the possuk. And the same possuk with regarding challahs and rakikin it says by Shimon by Shimon and said it should If challahs and rakikin are one of the same, you can make not one of the same, but you can mix them up. So, just say by Shimon at the end. Why do I have to say by Shimon twice? Vayikra perek beis possuk dal, this week's parsha. Yeah. You're going to have a lot of Vayikra. I mean, the whole Vayikra Vayikra. We're getting there. Not only that, we're going to be talking about Pesach now, mamesh, a few days before Pesach. Or given by Shimon by Shimon given the same carbon carbon It's literally as if we split it up. Here, the challahs matzah is by Shimon, that's one. Rakikin matzah is by Shimon, that's two. Challahs and rakikin are two different menachos. Do not mix them up. Reb Shimon knows the title is by Shimon Shimon. It seems like it's it's separate. You allowed the possuk by Shimon by Shimon. If it wouldn't say this possuk, have I mean it has to be challahs and rakikin. Maybe you have to mix them up. Why does the Torah mix them together? Because the Torah is telling you do 50% challahs, 50% over here would be 50/50 no? I don't know. He's masking yes. You say no. Okay, it doesn't matter. I don't think you have to mix them up, challahs and rakikin. I have a challah is the rakikin I would say the exact opposite of what we know. Say since the Torah put the rakikin and the challahs in the same possuk and said Shimon all the way at the end. You must mix them up. Not you could mix them up, you must. And if you did just 10 challis or 10 rekeekim, you're not yotze. So, mash malon that you could do either all rekeekim or all challis according to this mandamar according to shamin or 50/50. Reb Yisrael Yitzchak asked the Gemara Haynu Hava, what difference la halacha does it make between Reb Yisrael and then his father? They're both saying that you cannot mix up challis and rekeekim. Ekev Na'ava. Reb Yosi says that it's a he brings from the possuk lo yosam alav shamen. That it's like literally bringing one mincha with oil together with a mincha that doesn't have oil. Rekeekim and challis, one has oil, one doesn't have an oil. So, you'd have the issur of lo yosam alav shamen. So, even after the fact >> [clears throat] >> you're it's no good. Just throw it out. Okay. Hadran alach Kol Hamanochos. Hadran alach. We finished the whole masechta. Hadran alach Kol Hamanochos. Hadran alach Kol Hamanochos. I love this mishna Reb Yishmael Omer Omer. Reb Yishmael Omer Omer. Reb Yishmael Omer Omer Omer Rebbi Shimon Yishmael So'in. What does he say? I want to take you back to a classic. Mine is a classic. We don't appreciate these videos. Sometimes we just watch them and then we go weiter. As Reb Mendy says always, this should be in the the chadarim. Every cheder should have this video. This is the history channel of MDY. His voice. His [music] voice is perfect. In the days of the Beis Hamikdash, before anyone could eat from the new grain of the year, the Omer must be brought first. Arba Asar, agents of the Beis Din prepare three bundles for the harvest. That night, the people gather with torches. Three messengers stand ready. They call out, "Has the sun set?" "Yes." "With this sickle?" "Yes." Is it the 16th of Nissan? Yes. The men harvest three se'ahs of barley. Barley stalks are then brought to the base of mikdash with their be'in to separate the grain from the stalks. That is this is the rice of the one Travis, yes? They're then roasted in an oven over the fire. Spread on the azarah to separate the chaff from the grain. This is the rice of the azara. Ground into flour. Also in the lafon Travis. You know, paikon. They are then sifted using 13 sieves in order to obtain a fine consistency. The kayan then mixes the flour with oil to form the mitzvah of leilo. The wine is added and the kayan does kemitzah. He then does tenufah, raising the kelisharis in the air. >> [music] >> Then he does aktorah, releasing kemitzah, and a winner into the fire on the mizbe'ah. Then an omer, all of the grain which was harvested is now permitted for consumption. What did they do? That's the whole point. Yeah, that's it. Grabbing the pizza at the pizza store or here in Israel, they go for those rolls, the fresh hot roll out of the oven. Beautiful. So, what do we see? That the omer comes from barley and it comes on the second day of Pesach and it allows us to eat the new crop. Before you bring the omer, you cannot eat from the new full. That's why today in America, in chutz la'aretz, it's a major problem to eat from the new crop. A lot of the They're so quick in America. They They They reap the the grain and they make flour and they They make cereal within a month or two, it's already in the stores. And every every product has a date and some of them are literally hadash. And it's uh a problem. According to most poskim, it's the rice of is mana zeh to eat hadash. Anyway, the omer comes and allows you. And when you don't have the omer, the second day of Pesach is is what allows you to eat the new crop. That's why you'll see in many stores will say yashan, makina yashan, etc. etc. It's not a humra, it could be is the rice of. But anyway, Reb Shmuel omer, omer hoyo ba b'Shabbos, misholeishin. What if the second day of Pesach falls out on Shabbos? Do we have to do things differently because of Shabbos? Now, as we saw in the video, there are so many melachas that are so many melachas that are involved in the omer, melachas is the is the rice of of reaping the barley. That's is the number one. Is the number two, you have to do zoreh, you have to you have to throw it in the wind and separate the shaft. You have to grind, dosh is one of them, you have to uh you know, thresh thresh it. Um what else? Sifting. Sifting is another thing, tichen. You have to grind it, you have to put it in the What is the How do you say sifting tichen in English? >> [clears throat] >> Yeah, but there's a word. Okay, no, sift No, sifting is not correct. Sifting is to sift it in the 13 things. Okay. The point is there's many melachas. So, do I have to slow down and do things differently? So, Reb Shmuel says on Shabbos, yes, you have to do it differently. The amount that you're going to use on Shabbos, the amount of of of grain that you're going to harvest is only three saw. It happens to be that we get one issaron out of the three saw, which is 10%. It's not important to us. But we have, let's say, you have 10 times the amount of wheat, and you finally narrow it down to to what you need for the omer. I don't know. I I was waiting to ask Ari and also Shamshi if three saw and issaron is 10% of three saw, how much is an issaron out of five saw? I don't know. That That I can't That's beyond my pay grade. Beyond Ponovezh math. Echod Echod Shabbos Mishulash Shavuos. Say No, no, no. There's no difference. Weekday is three. Shabbos is three. That's why in the video they he said three. Uvemagel echod. One only one person does it, not the three people. One of these were boys' side. Somebody gave it I forgot who gave this to me. I don't even know if I knew who gave it to me. So it's a older one. It's an antique. It's a piece. One of these the the little bit larger than this. >> Yoel gave it to you. Yoel? >> Gold. >> [laughter] >> One of these Uvekupa achas and there's only one box that you put it in. Uvechayal Beshloshah, you need three people. Beshlosh kupos, beshlosh magalos. This is a side note. The by Tosafos they they like the Tzedukim, they said U'sfardim Mochrin Beshabbos, that this all takes place on a Sunday. Every year it's only on a Sunday. Mimochras Shabbos. So Chachamim come out and say, "No, there's three people that do it on a Tuesday, and it's not You're wrong. You don't know how to learn pshet in the thing." So to be to let the the rumor go out, to let the the coil that we're doing it not Mimochras Shabbos, so you need three people. But that's on a weekday, not on a Shabbos. We have to be in Malacha. You have to do less Malachas on Shabbos. So, you need Yochid and Malacha and three. Three. No, what do you mean what's the difference? You can't you can't drive more just go around the block because you feel like it. No. Oh, so we're going to go into it. We're going to go into it. Do you need five or do you need three? If you get away with three, why do five? So, we have to know why they do five. Is there a reason in doing five? Obviously, if they do five, they take they take the the flower from five Sa. Obviously, there's a reason. So, the is going to discuss. It's always three people. Three boxes and three of these sickles. It's called a sickle? So, that answers your question. We know the best of the best as Rashi says, the first flower that comes out of the of the barley of the sifter, the first time. It's interesting because there's 13 sifters. You think the third he says the first the first one that comes out is the best flower. It doesn't matter weekday or Shabbos, three Sa is the number. If he holds you need five to get the the the finest of the flower, I feel then you should be able to push off Shabbos and do five Sa. Even if you can get that amount even from three, why are they working so hard in the weekday and using five and not three? If I want to get the top top without any without hard work, I I do five. And that's why the weekday I use five. The and if I work hard I could take the I could get pretty much almost almost not exactly you know let's call it 95% of what I get from the five I get it from three. So in the weekday I'm going to use five to get the easy easy top flower. The and it sticks in here and it's hard to understand a little bit. It's the better flower actually. From five you get a little bit better than from three. But on the weekday I want him to use that sieve instead of using for an hour I want him to use it for two hours straight. Let him shake it and shake it and shake it until he gets the best of the best because he's only doing one of sifting. If instead of instead of using three bundles of grain he's doing five let's say. And now he has to cut more grain. There's more zero. There's more there's more there's more there's more everything is on a higher there's more there's more of this. I'd rather him just do the three but he's going to get slightly inferior slightly inferior product which we have to address. It comes out this is a classic that we want to take two that have seemingly nothing to do with each other and say they're very similar. And then the always And this is I tell people this is one of the things that you learn also you can take this for business also this idea of knowing how to differentiate between two concepts. It's it's it's a skill and it's a skill that you can use in in the regular world in business. To say look you're telling me it's it's not. This is different than over here. You're how how can you compare these two buildings in real estate? This one has this you know like stuff like that understand? Everything has this nuances. So here the is going to take two things and say they're the same. And then the says no I'll give you three reasons why they're not the same. Here we go. In order to get to this a beautiful picture. Our guys. They have these hooks and they would hang the animal on the hook. And they would fillet the the the the skin right off. Now, typically speaking they take the entire thing off. But why are we taking it off right now on Shabbos? Everybody falls out on Shabbos. When do you eat the carbon? A month of Shabbos. It's already weekday. So, what could you do what can't you do? Now, I have to get the more room of this animal onto the quickly on Shabbos. So, in order to get the more room I have to take off the the skin. Well, I don't want any hairy, you know, I don't want the wool to to to to to attach itself to my more room. I need a pure more room. So, I got to get the the skin I got to fillet the skin like this as so. This is the Shabbos unbelievable. So, he pulls it down all the way. Oh, wow. This is crazy. See the inner those are the more room. Okay. So, there's a whether you can take off the skin completely or not. It seems like similar to our over here. Once you doing it go ahead keep on going. Whatever you want to call it. So, he says you know, you can only go until the breast you can't take it completely off. They want to take the whole thing the whole the entire hide off. Well, you don't have to you don't see by by the hide why why pull more and pull it over his head. You don't need it. For for what you need right now on Shabbos to take out the more room I don't have to go all the way. So, to buy the by you the question is three three two three saw five saw can you actually I can get it out of three saw why do five saw same so why would it be different? He doesn't have to do anything. He just cut open the animal and take it out right there. >> No, no, cuz then that's very hairy. You know, that's not it's not the way to do it. But my says the tomorrow I can make two not coming this year. Do not call my issue the like the design cotton. By the three saw nothing is embarrassed. Nothing I didn't do anything to the bone to be something that by doing three versus five, but over here you have a carbon paste of sitting there with with its hide hanging over its head. It's not nice. I want a nice piece. I will also make it design cotton. Am I am I have a smart to say keep on going. It's not all what do you what do you have to do? No, I need to look nice when when the coin walks to the to the the inside of the leg the cut part we put this way that way it has to look good. There's a bottom side that's the beauty of that. Mr. Bruce says You mean like uh Okay, you know I can call my small issue of the break up. Awesome. What point do you have to keep on going and take the skin off its head? You you achieved what you need to achieve. You cut open the animal you can get the animal without taking it off. I would love to say to say to say to say over here you didn't get exactly what you want. You're slightly inferior. There's another 5% that you of better flower you can do. And we can maybe hold let's do five saw instead of three saw. Rabbi side have a wonderful day. Merit the sauce of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a sheer today. mdy.sponsor.com or [email protected].