Daf Yomi Menachos Daf 57 by R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning rab boys. >> [screaming] >> Good morning rab boys. Good morning rab boys. Hi. Mark Rickless, Rebelly. I've had the privilege of attending this year live in RBS. The path to the exit is narrow and crowded and the steps going down were very difficult when I was only 75 years old. Now that I'm 76, I would not consider coming to the miss medrish if I knew that I might have to get out in a hurry. You're 100% correct in limiting attendance and advising social security people to stay away. I was still a problem as I was coming up the stairs. I see all the social security guys going down and they they gave me a half a smile as I It was a polite smile like you're a jerk. If it is a kid who has a sham to publicly place protecting lives at a higher priority than in-person attendance. Thank you for having your priority straight and thank you for a wonderful sheer. I started with Bob Basra at age 74. And I'm coming up on two years. And my wife sometimes likes to watch along with me. Mark Rickless, Elizabeth, New Jersey. That's a yid from Elizabeth, New Jersey. What is a yid from Bnei Brak Taina? In by America, he has a kasha. There's always a thing they say from a kasha you don't die. Here's a kasha that you do die from. It says if in America they they're more into safety, how come the life expectancy is much lower in America than in Eretz Yisrael? Well, that's a great kasha. Therefore, you don't have to have safety. Unbelievable. Now, about letting people into the sheer, in the yeshivas, they just learn normally according to the latest rule. I don't know cuz I the latest rule said on on they said by Megillah reading if there's a thing you're supposed to stop in middle of Megillah, leave. I don't know. I I didn't hear anything clear. So, why why is the sheer different? Maybe and also because this is the only learning some of the people do. So, you have to understand Torah magnum matzah. Torah saves. Shh. Tzadik Kayan? Shkoyach al kol. Oh, he's the bouncer. Oh, it's his first time? First time since different, yeah. First time we let him. First timer. First timer. Still the other thing. This is Shmuly Klein? Kleiner. Shalom aleichem first timers. Shalom aleichem. Oh, it's a whole minyan of first timers. Shalom aleichem. Gary, you you allowed to you allowed to go on the thing. You You know how to do it? I don't know. What is my You're stuck in this Oh, okay. No, no, wrong camera. That way. Let's see. Oh, very good. Very good. Say hello. Say hello to the new guys. Okay, you're good. Look, cuz the only men in America wants to know who came. You know what I'm saying? They're not interested in Shmuly Kleiner right now. Now, we're going to go back to Shmuly Kleiner. I'm just showing you how to Shmuly Kleiner. Okay, very good. Now, last night when I showed the video and I read the email from uh David Heffner. So, I asked the question. I said, "If you open up a MDY minyan for Shabbos for these boys." And one of the boys didn't even open up the siddur the entire time. What was the policy about talking? Was there talking or not? So, he writes, "Of course, there was no talking at the MDY minyan. You're getting big physical featuring us. We hope to take up your offer to come for Shabbos. You have my number." I offered him to come for Shabbos. I don't remember. Oh, he invited me. Oh, we hope you take up our offer to come for Shabbos. You have my number. Yeah, so we stopped the video cuz I wanted to ask him the question in the middle of sheer. And we went back to the video with number. We did play it three times until we got the number and then everybody started calling in the middle of sheer and give out the With gratitude to Hashem Boruchu for our wonderful family. Thank you, Hashem. Sometimes you have to stop and pause and say, "Wow, I have a wonderful family. I have a family. I have children." In the last week, at least three people told me that they don't have children for a while. 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So, what is it called now? Borough Park Seder Matzah Bakery? It's not called No. Look, Mordechai's passing on his Simcha for boys side. From Elkan's Pills and all the Statfields. Big mazel tov. Mazel tov. I got to got an email from her. I should have Okay, I forgot to Mordechai Taub, my grand Leo my grandmother Raisel Bas Yisroel Adar and mazel tov to our children Reuben and Buna Levin on the Levin. This first time Levin. So, Reuben and Buna Levin on the bris of your son Yisroel from your proud parents Yaakov and Tzipporah Shulman, Peretz Chaim and Zahava Levin. Mazel tov. And the way I heard Refuah Shleimah to Nathan Ben Moshe Brocha. May the Shamash see him in the base medrash soon. Refuah Shleimah Mordechai Ben Esther. Refuah Shleimah Daniel Zev Ben Ayelet Esther. Boys, I am holding nothing from the bottom of base four lines from the bottom. Omar Rebbi Akiva You have a new safer from Pesach. It's a goddess of Pesach made of base in the haggadah series. It's two of these meters in the other series. And like four or five five as far as this large of meter how the whole Torah and the whole is based on the other meter. All my ready army. There's a Sugyo of starting an act do you when you start something does does the whole Mesa um what's the word I'm looking for? Do we consider the Mesa? Do we give you credit for the Mesa? What's the word? No. You put the starter, the leavening agent into on top of the dough. And then it became and he didn't mix he didn't do anything. That's considered these are the that we said you have to be careful with the not to make comments. We might as well we see something very similar when it comes to Shabbos. You put a steak on a grill and you walk away. You're high. So two over here you put the leavening agent on the in the in the flour and you walk away you're high. Let's see let's let's let's see if this is true. >> [clears throat] >> Are you actually high when it comes to Shabbos when you just put it on the grill and walk away? If you put a steak on top of a grill if you flip it over you're high. And if you didn't flip it over you see see that you have to take more action it's not enough just to put it under once and walk away. So, two things here. First of all, there's a safer I didn't even notice. There's a safer by the Rishonim called Buss Araga big column. That's the name of the safer and some say that Rabbeinu Tam wrote it. That's aleph. Bet, Rav Chaim Kanievsky writes over it he has a whole list of halachas that are nagid to Hilchos Shabbos but not in Maseches Shabbos and this is one of them, right over here. Okay? A cold bottom, in our sugya, when you put the leavening agent, l'chatchila it's not enough. Amar Rava, "Machai v'nomi d'kamar k'meisa tzalisa Shabbos." When it comes to Shabbos, you have to flip it over. But when it comes to because that's In other words, it's enough just to put it on for that half. You don't have to sit there and and and stoke the coals, I don't know what. You put it on, you have it for that half. Yes, you have to flip it over cuz that's how you make a steak. Otherwise, the other side is going to be raw. But when it comes to the leavening, all you need to do is put it in once and walk away and you're chayav. It's the same idea. By a steak, you put it on once and you walk away you're chayav for that half and then you you flip it for the other half and and you have to have both halves in order for it to happen. But that's that's just the way a steak works. It's one to one. The only way a steak, as we're going to see soon, if you do one half of a steak, it's not it's not it's not edible. It's not something that people eat. You don't eat. Have you ever eaten from the top of a steak that's well done on this side but not on the other side? It doesn't work like that. That's the way you do it. Yes, it's not you want to call it bishul not It's not how you eat a steak. Steak is on both sides. But but when it comes to leavening, it's enough just to put it in and walk away and it'll it'll make it chametz. You're not liable. Over there you don't have to, right? If I bring it tomorrow, bring that case. No. Same the broil the tomorrow. The opposite the opposite. We're trying to show How you saying that to bring them. that you be hyped for there. Yeah. But I bring a case that you're not that you're not hyped until you flip it. Why is it different from there? You're right, that's a good case. But why how come by steak you need to flip? You need more more involvement, so by also you should need more involvement. You're saying it's more similar at the end of the day it's more similar to release a pass, okay? That's We have to go through that. We have to get to there. We just said we're repeating If you put a steak on the on the coals, he will be hyped if you flip it you're hyped. My partner if you didn't you're partner. If you don't know me but what's the case? If if you can't eat it's not edible, of course you're not hyped. Not me have a partial, but if maybe the shot is even without flipping it it's also edible just it's not as good. I'm not even hyped, so why do you have to flip it? Why aren't you hyped without flipping it? There's a concept called Michael Ben D'Russo. Michael Ben D'Russo is a robber, his name was D'Russo. And he he would eat it raw very very rare, very rare. Rare to the point it was a third third cut. I don't even know if that's what rare is today. 1/3 of the typical cooking cook time. 1 1/3. What is it called? Blue? Not even red, blue. You don't don't argue with the meat guys. It's like uh I once went on a boat here in Israel. Guys said you want to go tuna fishing. I I I never fished in my life, really. So, it sounds cool. We're going to go catch some tuna. Take a like a yacht, go off the coast of of Israel, you go for like a hour and a half off. Then you throw the thing in. Right, Ollie? You've done it. Every week he does them stuff. And sure enough, we caught a tuna. This big. No, it wasn't a real Not the Not the blue tuna Not the bluefin that are worth $10,000. So, this size. I don't know what it was. Like this size. I have a picture, actually. And a hole? The aquamarine? Aquamarine. Yeah. Okay. This size. And the guy the uh the captain of the ship comes and the the thing is still flipping around. He takes a knife and he he goes He He makes like a triangle in it. He goes, he says, "You want a piece?" So, I Yeah, so he puts so He says, "Very good." So, he puts soy sauce on it and ate it. It's schmuck. Kimacha ben D'rsai. Tuna Tuna you eat raw. He would say, "Yeah, you It's normal." So, So, what if it was flipping around a little bit? No, it wasn't flipping. It's like It was dead. It was dead. It just died 30 seconds before. It was like No, I don't think so. No. There's no ever in my life. As a side note, I bring the tuna home. I bring the tuna home. I tell my wife to cook it. I didn't realize that regular people don't know what to do. They don't know what to do. It's kishkes. It's hearts. It's You don't know where to begin. Like So, you bring it to the store, "Could you do this?" No. You go to another guy until we found a guy that knew a little bit. He knows how to do it. Fillet it. It's like a whole thing. Like you don't know what to do with it. It's like What do you do with the kishkes now? Now what? Open it up. It's like But when it was my It was delicious. My mouth was fresh. You follow me? Ah. Yeah. Okay, anyway, so that's Kimacha ben D'rsai. The Kimacha ben D'rsai brought to my house now This is a soy. If The only way to do it is you got a third on one side. And and if you flip it over, you get a third on the other side of a cold marshmallow. Yes, there's a concept called a soy. But that's only if you Do both sides. One side is is garnished. You can't literally searing it for a second. That's garnished. There's a famous from the the Satmar Rav. He told his once to tell him a my sir. Famous my sir I said a few times in a lot of my sir. I saw last night that half the people didn't know the story. He says there was a new what's it? He says there was a band of of robbers. And they went out every day they they go rob and then they had a couple guys stay back. In the camp and make sure that everything's good, protect the camp, protect the loot. And also cook schmucky meals. So one day they go out and they rob like a bank and they had tremendous my you. Millions of dollars. And on the way back and this you see this it happens there's no honor by thieves. The thing themselves why should we divide these millions with these that are sitting in all they did is cook some meals for us. Doesn't make any sense. We we risked our lives. So the plan is we're going to come back and we're going to kill everybody. And then we're going to take everything for ourselves. Good plan. At the same time The chefs in the thing is the thing themselves Why shouldn't we take everything? Like who are these guys? We we sit here they they have all the fun. It's exciting. Guns. We're going to put some poison in the food. When they come back to Israel. Sure enough they come back with all the loot and they kill all the chefs and all the And then they sit down to get schmaltz and soda. And they eat and they eat and they all die. So the Hasidim say it's a maiseh, it's a maiseh. Why is this a Hasidic maiseh? It's a Hasidic maiseh because who told you the story is true? Who's there? Who Who witnessed the story? Who knows what happened? Little Yidden who came in the forest and found all the meat. Yeah, but we don't know that they said this and they said that. All All this It's all from Baruch Hashem. I saw. I saw. I I witnessed it. Zog die Gemara. By the way, it's time to decide what I typically don't say over these things, but this is Chaim Vital and I saw it in a few places. I'll say it over. He says that Drusai This Drusai is a Gilgul of Chofni ben Eli. He's the son of Eli HaKohen. And Eli HaKohen, they used to chop the the korbanos from Klal Yisrael and they would eat it raw and then mamila, that's uh it was a mida k'neged mida. Okay. I have a I have a thing here. I'm going to I'm going to put it on here. It's more of a I wasn't excited. This is from our new guy. I was mesubik if to show it to you or not. Maybe I'll just show half. You see that? I'm Ben Drusai. I'm an outlaw and this is a robbery. But But the meat isn't ready at all. Maybe you should wait a little. I ain't got time. I'm getting out of here before the sheriff shows up. >> The kids are okay. That's all I'm showing you today. >> [snorts] >> He likes it. We're not here. We're here to learn Torah, not to watch movies. We're getting there. We're getting there. If you are able to roast one fig's worth, dried fig Where's my figs here? Oh, no? Okay. It's not in the fridge. >> [clears throat] >> But there's no lady here last night. He said there's nobody. Okay. Fine. Okay, it's very possible. We don't need figs. You know what? I have one dried out What do I have here? I had a dried out garnished. Okay. I will say there's one fig. This is a fig. It's a figment of your imagination. It's a fig. Yes, this is a fig. I will say there's one fig. If you have one figs worth of nicely done more more than a my blue, this is already red. Yeah, rear rear it's already the next next level up, but it's the size of a fig. Even on one side in one area. You're good. That's it. You got it. >> [laughter] >> No, we're not doing this. We're not doing this. One guy decided to start this up. It's not it's not a thing. It's not a thing anymore. Stop we're stopping this. We're not stopping it. Now what are you thinking you have to say? We're stopping this. All my maker I don't understand. Take this fig. And break it up into two or three areas and show me so what's the why can't you have three? Three spots. Here one two three like this. Three spots. So the Gamora oh. What's none? And I'll prove it to you. I'll prove it to you there's a concept called zero. If I can take three different areas and put them all pretend they're all one place. What's none? How could they culture Kyle? If you take a drill. Take a small little drill bit. And you drill a little tiny hole. You're Kyle you Kyle on Shabbos for buying it you building. So the Gamora you don't have to understand what what the case is. Here you go either walk in my house. You drill the tiny hole somewhere. Close to my house. What you didn't accomplish anything with a small hole. And a love but solution of the cause of the serum. We're talking about sometimes I don't know if you ever built anything, but it happened to me many times. You don't have the right drill bit. And you try to make like a larger hole. So, let say you tried to poke something in a in a piece of concrete. I don't know what. So, you make one hole, two You make a few holes, and then you you pop it out. No, pilot hole is something else. Pilot hole is when you make a small hole than a larger hole. That's something else. You're You're making like a here, we have a little bit of video. >> [music] [music] [snorts] [music] >> I'm all wet. I need help. I'm already coming. >> [music] [music] >> This is based on a true story, by the way. So, I have it. >> [laughter] >> When I first moved there to Israel, I didn't know. It was like, okay, so a few a few people came to my house and poured them So, you gave them a little bit. I didn't know that they have cell phones. Mini buses were pulling up to the house. We got the loser, that American dude. The rich uncle from America is here. Okay, anyway, so So you see that you can take one drill one little hole in other words times three equals one giant hole that together it's considered a hole. [laughter] Yeah, it by itself one small hole is nothing. Over here also one little piece of a fig is not enough, but three pieces of fig in three different areas of the steak that are well done or more than it should be in style to one fig. There's only one small hole. And also like when you do construction a lot of times you use a small little bit. Those little bits they do things. It's good for something. It's good for a cleaver like um I I thought it means this. Like at the end of a key there's like a little piece that sticks out so you need a drill a little bit more. You need a little hole. Anyway, fine. The point is you need a you need sometimes you need a small bit and that's why you're over, but you can't bring a right a fig's worth of of of well done meat. Rava holds that if you have a total of one fig's worth well done even though it's spread out in three places but the the total amount is a fig's worth, that's also that's also considered cooked. Omar layer of vanilla of Rashi, this is a free bee momish five lines of free bee word for word. If a nona meet a nino we also learned that could they have culture higher if you drill a very small hole you have higher on Shabbos if you don't know what's the case. You don't know what the matter is if you did it one time only culture of my cousin what could it accomplish? I was telling you that my cousin is the cousin of you must be one or two places this is the it's a okay, I'm going to say it's down why not? There was a guy that came for dinner and you know those those Keter chairs, the plastic Israeli chairs? How many people had a situation here where you you had a guest come over and gave him a chair and he ended up on the floor? Happened? Yes, of course. It happened to one of our guys Aaron what's his last name? Geltman. Geltman Aaron Geltman is one of the the Hashgacha of our sheer he's a rebbe in Keter. He said it happened to him this year. He he he sat down in front of his class and he plopped down and fell on the floor. And the kids were laughing and that's the principal came in he says boys I you all have to fast you all witnessed a safe Torah fall on the floor. >> [laughter] >> I like that. No he was joking he was joking he just wanted to make light of the situation. Most of the famous master where the guy came he was the the the dinner on the rear of the place and they gave him one of these Keter chairs, the ones that have like little holes in it and he sat down and he fell on the floor. So the MC got up and he said look at what happened was all the holes were fighting which hole he he should sit on. That's a story. That's a real story. That's a real story. It happened to Rabbi Chaim Sonnenfeld. Rabbi Chaim Sonnenfeld gave Herbert Samuel he gave Sir Herbert Samuel >> Today today's his yahrzeit. Herbert Samuel came to visit Rabbi Samson he gave in his in his house he gave him the chair he fell down said to the commissioner that's the story. It makes a lot more sense. Why would there be a catcher chair at a at a dinner? Okay, now it makes sense. But but oh you mean they have those little those like yeah. Like little chair with little holes in it. Yeah, and I haven't told us we had a we had a relative that was a little upset at the my parents and they weren't in speaking terms for a while and then he came to make shalom we when we lived in he came and my my my mother made a whole suit and he sat down and he [laughter] fell down on the floor and it's like oh vey like he finally came over and finally we put him on the floor. Huh? I don't believe it. You mean so it's designed with that cut the brakes so they could sell more. Oh my Oh wow. It's the expiration date or the date of yitzur. This is crazy. This is crazy. >> [laughter] >> But listen, not in these chair.com doesn't have expiration. Who says the same date? Dave, it's the same date. The date that it's manufactured and it's expiration date. Same date. Very nice. Very nice. Okay, now we're going to get sued. Oh. He only drilled one hole it's we're not talking about the holes above it that clean the this is for the door of the of the the key givaldic. So So, you must see this possuk. It's very very important. It says kol amincha any mincha. So, the Gemara says, what if you would remove those two words kol amincha? Just start takriv lashem. Lo ya'aseh chametz. So, the Gemara says I learned two things. I have two words I'm going to learn two two limudim from these two words. So, you also chametz. There's a possuk that says don't make chametz. Elo chametz lavad. We already saw in the Mishna and in the Gemara also. The Gemara When we're learning the Mishna, the Mishna brings a possuk. How do you know you're not allowed to make chametz? I explained over there that the Mishna explained. It's talking about before by the kemitzah. And then the Gemara talks about after the kemitzah. On the shirayim. Now the Gemara is saying I would think mincha minayin? How do I know if I combine the two things before the kemitzah? I have the kemitzah in there. I have the shirayim in there. How do I know that it it doesn't that there's an issur to make it chametz? Tam ulama mincha. So, that one word we got mincha. The entire thing. Sharmena This possuk is talking about a minchas machashes. How do I know all the melachos? Tam ulama kol amincha. The word kol. All melachos. Asher takrivena shema uvalel sulah. This is also very interesting halacha. This issur of making a mincha chametz is only when the mincha is kosher. Let's say you took it out of the mizbeach. Let's say the mincha is tamei. No. No issur chametz. Mikan amru chametz is a cheira chayev is a psulah patur. I saw interesting chab from the Brisker Rav that he says, what do you mean tamei? Tamei any any korban that's tamei is really not tamei if you put it on the tzitz is meratza. We learned that tzitz gets rid of the tumah. He says yeah, it gets rid of the tumah when you put it on the mizbeach. But over here it's before you put it on the mizbeach. Over here you're over issur chametz when it's tamei before you put it on the mizbeach. So, it's like it's it's like a a chametz. Yeah? There's a kind of just to explain the kinds of chametz matters when you put on the matzah. I go bottom of the chametz is a chair of chametz is a possible puzzle. If you cannot do chametz to something that has a puzzle on it. If if it went out of the Beit Hamikdash and it's puzzle, then you're not over on chametz. What about a puzzle? What about chametz of a yotzei's v'chozer chametz of mouth? You you created chametz. Now, we know we learned yesterday. What does it mean? Just the stam pashut p'shat. What does it mean chametz and then you made a chametz? Could you make something chametz twice in a row? The answer is not really. If you make a different type of chametz, you do one of the four things. You you chametz by the lisha, by the aricha, by the ktifa, by the fiya. You do another So, you did chametz. Though we did learn yesterday. That's exactly what we learned yesterday. And that that was yesterday's sugya. That that works by more after more. It doesn't work here or there. Okay? But, there is no chametz. You yourself cannot make chametz twice in a row on the with the same action we learned. Chametz of a yotzei's v'chozer chametz of mouth. What if you did chametz and it went outside of the Beit Hamikdash? So, now the chametz has some sort of puzzle here. And now it comes back in the Beit Hamikdash, you told me that once it's puzzle, you can't make more chametz. So, then what's the question of the cloud? Mouth. Kivan d'yotzei pasul b'yadei It already became puzzle. If you have a chametz low, then you're chayav low. The simple understanding is once it went out, it's yotzei. So so once it's you're over and it went out, it became puzzle. You can't add another That's it. It's locked out from making a chametz. You just told me. Asher d'kri v'lo sham. It has to be something that's kosher and not puzzle. Once it went outside, it's puzzle. You can't add another chametz. But, listen to this. I dilma kivan d' Lo michayev lo mishum michayev michayev. You're not chayav for a double That's it. You're locked out. You can't make more comments. I dilma kivan d'chimtza Listen to this, says Rashi. Once it's chametz, then it doesn't have the kedusha lost a little bit of the kedusha to it. You cannot You can't You can't make something possible yotzei if it's not 100% kosher. The yotzei is not chall on it. And if the yotzei is not chall on it, then you could do chametz after chametz. What locks out a second chametz? Something that makes it possible. But it's not possible. Why? Because it's It's already possible from the chametz. Again. I see you're all looking at me as if wow. Nachumel. Somebody took a mincha and made it chametz. What happened now? It's possible a little bit. Once it's possible, you can't make it possible by taking it outside of Beit Hamikdash. It's already possible. I take it out of Beit Hamikdash, what did I do? I took something that's possible, I made it more possible. So if I can't make it more possible, now I can add another chametz to it. If I take Time out. Time out. If I take something that's totally kosher and I take it out of Beit Hamikdash, I made it possible yotzei. Possible yotzei, I cannot make chametz to it. It's already possible yotzei. But if yotzei doesn't apply to it, why doesn't it apply to it? Because it's a little bit chametz already. And if it's chametz already, I can't add another psul yotzei. So now I can add another chametz to it. Nachumel. Time out. Time out. Time out. Ah, time out. Time out. Time out. Time out. Time out. Let's Let's go back. Let's go backwards. Let's go backwards. We learned yesterday in Tinnah Mishnah, you could add four chametz's to one mincha. By me kneading it, I was over on chametz. Then a minute later, I braid it. I'm over another chametz. Then I add water to it. I'm over another chametz. I could add chametz on top of a chametz. We just learned Halacha that if I take a mincha outside of Beit Hamikdash, it becomes possible cuz I took it out. Now I can't do chametz to it. It's done. It's possible. It's garnished. It's It's treif. Treif chazer, whatever you want to call it, it's garbage. Throw it in the garbage. What do you want to give me chametz? I'm not allowed to have chametz. Now, what happened was I made one chametz. Great. By making chametz, I made a little bit possible. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit possible. A little bit. A little bit possible to the point where if I take it outside of the Mikdash, it's not I can't put yois on it. I can't do pigul to it. I don't know what I can't do anything to it because I made it a little possible by making chametz. A mincha can't be chametz. So, since the yois doesn't apply to it, I ignore. So, now it's like a regular mincha that I could add another chametz to it. I could add another chametz. I could add four times chametz to it. Is there any issue with that? Is he over on on the law of yois? No. Why? No. Why? No, because it's a little possible. >> So, Possible. Not over on anything. That's that's sad. It's a second sad in the Gemara. It's two to one. Look at the Gemara right there. >> [clears throat] >> And therefore, even if he You want to see we should really see Rashi inside. Where's Rashi inside? Where was it? It was on top. Oh, here. I do even if he learns the law of kedusha gemura he, says Rashi. It loses some of the issue. Then the only thing The The only thing that you could put on in this one so-called chametz, and then you could add another chametz to it. But, the the law of yois doesn't apply to it. So, therefore, No, but that that we said that you could add chametz to chametz to chametz. But, the Torah says that the Mishna says that. That that we are not arguing with. Oh, that's a acid. That was the Sugya of Muhammad Muhammad. They could do time out time out. Hello, that was yesterday's Sugya. The yes You want to You want to listen You don't want to listen. You want to talk or you want to listen? Yesterday's Sugya was that there's Muhammad's after Muhammad's. That was the Sugya that I could take a a guy that has a sourness, he's a sourness, and I can add sourness to him. I'm Muhammad's, I add another That was yesterday's Sugya. What what we're saying today is not nothing to do with that. Once it's possible the soul Yotzei What once it's a little possible then I can add a soul Yotzei. That's a different finish. I think Lumbus. Okay. Okay, then what? Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm listening. The Yotzei takes away from the Gushah. All right. So, willing to explain. There's only a Yotzei when something has full Gushah. When it loses some of Gushah, you don't have the soul Yotzei. But Muhammad's and what's the sound of Muhammad's? Muhammad's is in the actual carbon in the actual Mincha. Yeah, but it We're still We're still discussing it had it lost part of its Gushah. You still Nevertheless, you could add Muhammad's to it. Right. Uh right, but there's a lot You still have to understand since there's four intervals. In other words, there is a little bit of Gushah left. The Rashi even says Muhammad's it's not Gomer. In other words, we have to say that the Issur Yotzei is only when it's 100% Kodesh. 50% Kodesh you're not even Issur Yotzei. Okay, I hear. Very good. No, that's something else. That's a Machshavah. It has to be 100% Machshavah. Okay, fine. I'm a mailer at the end of the day take all by Reb Mordy. Khimsa Bereshis Mizbeach Mao. If you took the this this Mincha up the Mizbeach up the ramp but you didn't put it on onto the fire. You took it up. What did I say? The Mincha? Yeah, the kemitsa of the Mincha. Mao. Are you locked out of making chametz? You made a chametz on top, but maybe it's already too late. You already kind of what you had to be kind of you brought it up. I showed that cream was even a lotion of to to bring closer and you did. All right, I'll give it a go. And you did so. I do remember I got to give him my son on me, but at the end of the day I have to put it on the flame. You didn't put it on the fire. And since you didn't put on the fire, you still have the ability to make a chametz and be over the issue. Take all. So you want to have a call a Mincha. That what? Because we learned before that it's be even before before became before you did kemitsa you're you're over on chametz. I should have killed a share which is a step later. Being marked with Mizbeach what do you need that for? Do you remember I said really? Whatever my colleague is here. There are two new items that are possible to to make chametz. One of them is a Mincha which is a Mincha that we bring together with the oil and shlamim. You bring flour, you bring wine together with the the oil. And is there a a key of to make sure it doesn't become chametz? And Rebbi Akiva says that's what Rebbi Akiva said Rebbi Akiva says no. It's referring to the lechem uponaim that there's an issue to make lechem uponaim the 12 breads that we bring on every Shabbos on the shulchan there's an issue to make them chametz the same as we were learning up until now. This is on lechem uponaim. Which the Gemara is going to flip. The Gemara is going to say Reb Akiva doesn't say Lechem Panim. Reb Akiva is the one that says Minchas Socheim. Reish Lakish is the one that says Lechem Panim. That's a whole yeah. We're not getting there yet. Minchas Socheim as the Gamara Minchas Socheim What is Minchas Socheim? There's no water. Minchas Socheim may be pareve. It's a bunch of oil. There's a lot of oil. There's three lug of oil and there's no need for water. Sometimes when you put a little oil, so if you ever take a lot of flour put a little oil, it's impossible to knead it. But if there's a lot of oil, then you can knead it and if you knead it knead with a K, then you don't need water. You don't need to introduce water and and may pareve be chametz. Fruit juice doesn't create chametz. Now, don't take this literally. Tosfos points out in the beginning of the perek, he says over here Pirasha and he says over there that it just means it's not full chametz, but it's chametz nuksha. It's a it's a inferior type of chametz. Okay. But I think that the Sefardim actually hold that may be pareve is what? Matzah shira etc. Okay, fine. But the question is What's the question? The question is how could I if Lechem Panim doesn't even have water, how could I even make it chametz? There's no way to make it chametz. What I'm using oil and oil doesn't make it chametz. Or Reish Lakish Omer Rabbi Yitzchak Leili Minchas Socheim may be made with mayim shira. You're permitted to add water if you want to. And in that case they add water, not only does it become chametz, some some say it even makes it worse chametz. Like it's a stronger chametz cuz it's together with oil and and water is kosher. So that's the case. We're talking about he added a little bit more water. Says the sponsors turning the daf a day. Global happy clients all year, not just this month. shaduch.com. Please rate a shaduch today. As the Gamara kasha Lechem Panim may be the same as shira. >> How do you uh Oh, hold on. This is my cup. This is for liquid. This is for liquid. This uh plastic one is for flour. So, it says the Gemara, I don't understand something. Lechem upon him is the ovishee. You're trying to measure any solid with this. Which mana later the omer ovishee in the skacha. This Rebbi Ovadiah says zero kedusha. This is not a klee shares. This guy is the difference between liquid and solid. The solid according to Rebbi Akiva doesn't have kedusha at all. It's plastic. It's garbage. So, So, what's the question? As you're making the lechem upon him, at what point are you making your chametz? By putting into this klee, it doesn't give it kedusha. So, it's a stam you're making chametz at home. That's not a problem. There's no issur d'oraisa. When does it become kodesh? On the table. When you put it on the table, it becomes kodesh. Kodesh. Here. At this point, when he puts it in, boom, it's already too late. You can't make chametz. You can't make a God bread. You can't make chametz. You know what I'm saying? It's kacha. Show Rebbi Ruvein Ish Meider Rebbi Yochanan Kakiya at social mishnah of a pool. And Rebbi Nachman says, so we have to do this, one of these famous things. So, it's a little confusing because we're talking about the bottom. So, let's start with the bottom. It's not confusing at all. I'm just saying that usually I go with the top. But the my menchi guys only work on the bottom. Rebbi Akiva says that this pasuk comes to comes to say that lechem upon him you can't make chametz. And basically it says minchas it's coming to minchas the problem is Rebbi Akiva holds and we're We're to stick with this. Rebbi Akiva holds that this clay doesn't become kadosh. If this clay doesn't become kadosh, how in the world could he say that lechem apanim you shouldn't make it chametz? There's no way to make lechem apanim chametz. It's only when you put it in. So, in my life I have to switch it around. That's why I'm switching it around. It's Rebbe Akiva that says that smicha and s'micha you shouldn't make chametz. And it works out beautifully because Rebbe Yossi HaGlili, we're going to show in a second, he holds yavesh has kedusha. This has kedusha. This has kedusha. Oh. If this has kedusha, then I have to be careful with the lechem apanim not to make not to make it chametz. >> [clears throat] >> Bayvoch asher hikrivu lechem apanim lechim derech Yossi HaGlili. Rebbe Akiva omer leRabbi Yossi smicha and s'micha lechim. Okay, it's Rebbe Rebbe Akiva holds it's smicha and s'micha. Now, v'aharei Rebbe Yehuda omer domer Rebbe Yossi. Rebbe Yossi HaGlili. Now, how do I know that Rebbe Yossi HaGlili says that that dry goods, the the dry measuring cup for dry goods, is kadosh? How do I know? Because Rebbe Yossi HaGlili holds like one of the talmidim, mi talmidei Rebbe Shmuel omer davar acher. Rebbe Yossi HaGlili and one of the talmidei Rebbe Shmuel holds one and ummano Rebbe Yossi. Rebbe Yossi, Rebbe Yossi HaGlili are in the same they're in quotes. They say the same thing. The what? The sanya. V'im shochech mikadosh oysam. You should be mikadesh the keilim. Moshe Rabbeinu takes the special shemen hamishcha, he smears it, and he makes the with this shemen hamishcha makes the keilim kadosh. They become klei shareis. Rebbe Yossi omer mi zeh halacha nimshach beimi bifnim beimi bivchutz. Need to get some of these guys up. Sorry, this is what I found uh Okay. What do we have here? This goes over here. This is the sheet that we're looking at. There's another sheet that we'll What's the plastic Reb Hoy say? Yavish. This see-through thing is liquid. Okay, so we have three sheetas here. It's very simple. Three sheetas. Here's Here's the question. The way Reb Hoy did it is not 100% accurate, but for it's hard to to describe in a in a picture. The question is always when a kli has kedusha, let's say this kli has kedusha. This This for sure has kedusha, right? The The lach always According to everybody has kedusha. The question is where? Where is the kedusha? Only in the inside or in the outside as well? The Mayan Askinan What if I pour water on the outside like this? Did the water now become kodesh? It touched only the outside of my kli. How? Cuz I filled it up very high and then it fell over the the the the the side. And it touched the side. Kodesh or not kodesh? That's a machlokes here. So, we have one shita so far that says that this yavish is zero. We have a shita that the the the that the lach, the liquid, is going to be kodesh on the inside and the outside. And then we have in-between sheetas or shita. Let's see. Midas alach nimshach be me befnim be me bachutz. According this is Rebbi Yoshia and this is Rebbi Yishmael Galili. Rebbi Yishmael says that this guy right over here is kodesh inside and out. So, I don't know how to do that. I'm going to put a sticker inside and outside. I don't know if this is going to work. Okay, like this. Both. That's Rebbi Yishmael Galili. That's Rebbi Yoshia. Be me be bachutz. Midas yavish nimshach be me befnim ve nimshach be me bachutz. He holds there's only one kedusha over here. On this guy one, but outside is nothing. Only one. And now you have a second sheet that holds that this is a this is a liquid only one. And this guy is all by himself. I should really remove this. Nothing can be idle. Okay. So we have this. This. And now we are we're waiting for a third sheet. According to Rebbi Yonasan, the only good dish is inside the liquid clay, zero in the dry clay. This sheet that says there's inside the dry clay and he's the most machmir. It has and and the the liquid clay has both inside and outside. So may Rebbi Yonasan if you go back to this Rebbi say clearly Rebbi Yonasan like Rebbi Yishmael that what? That the yavis has some good dish look it has good dish inside the clay according to to show this way. Okay. The same as the same by the two by the two breads. We're going to come back to this also. You have to bake the breads. When does it become good dish? Become l'Hashem. After te'ofena. Once you bake it then become l'Hashem. Putting it in a vessel in a measuring cup doesn't give it any good dish. The Michael so what's the Michael is? By some the word Rebbi Yishmael by some what he means is yavis b'chutz. It's much more only in the inside but that the dry one doesn't have any good dish on the outside. That's why there's only one sticker here. There is goodusha on the inside. Rebbi This is Look at this. This is a piece of plastic has zero goodusha, not in the inside and not in the outside. And you don't need to talk about it at all. It's a It's a It's a It's a klee. It's a garbage. The only possible need some that the liquid klee only has goodusha on the inside but not on the outside. Oh. So, if we look over here, this is a very rudimentary thing, but on the top it says the same the what? Yavesh has goodusha on the inside. And that's what we said. That's why lechem hapanim that you measure with this dry klee does have goodusha and you have to be careful not to make it chametz. And when it comes to liquid, it has goodusha on the inside and the outside. So, what does it say? It says we saw before. That's why it can't say that it's you have to be careful with because this has zero goodusha. Oh. But it says something else. This has zero goodusha, but the lach has goodusha inside and outside, too. So, we have a third cheeta. This is different than this cheeta because over here the yavesh has little goodusha. And over here the yavesh according to zero goodusha. That's goodusha inside [clears throat] and outside, two stickers and zero goodusha on this. So, we spoke about this cheeta right over here. But look, they're very similar because the yavesh they they both hold zero goodusha on the yavesh. So, maybe they're saying the same thing. So, what's the answer? It's obvious the answer. Over here, they're very different. In the liquid, they're different. According to Rebbi Akiva, in the liquid klee, there's Kedusha on the inside and the outside. And according to Rebbi Yonasan, there's only Kedusha on the inside. Says the Gemara Says the Gemara, the answer is they're not saying the same thing because they're very different when it comes to the liquid clay. One says there's only Kedusha on the inside and Rebbi Akiva says there's Kedusha on the inside and the outside. What's the starting point of the Gemara? The possible item. It's not a solid, it's how do you learn the word item? Starting point. It's the starting point. Do you say this is nothing, should be nothing, there's no there's not even have a minute has Kedusha and we may have the word item to add to to take off something else or no, this does have Kedusha and have to remove here. He holds this has Kedusha just the word item comes to tell me there's no Kedusha on the outside, but therefore lack for sure has inside and outside. What? >> Akiva doesn't have no item use. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Yeah. Says the Gemara, we forgot something. How do you mix this? How do you mix the lechem uponim? Look at this. You mix it in a in a mixing bowl. That mixing bowl is is a clay shard us. The lechem uponim the lechem uponim you have to mix it somewhere. And if you mix it in a in a beis sa'ah in a in a in a in a bowl, that bowl has tremendous Kedusha and therefore you have to be careful not to make it chometz. Even according to Rebbi Akiva. Okay, Rebbi Akiva says he sees this, no Kedusha when you measure it. Yeah, but what do you do after you measure it? You have to put it in the mixing bowl and that mixing bowl has Kedusha. Says the Gemara, the lach who and it's and it's considered a a liquid clay. Like a beis sa'ah the lach who and it's liquid and that has Kedusha that's a clay shard us. Amaleik No, look at the right side. He did the leisha you're right. If he did it on the left side and in a bowl, it would have Kedusha you have to be careful not to make it chometz. Talking about that he put it on a piece of leather or something. A second ago we learned the realness and says I'll prove it to you from the two breads of of Shavuos. There was no kodesh. There was no kedusha. You know why over there was no kedusha? Because he used a weekday clear, something that doesn't have kedusha. But maybe there is kedusha. Okay, actually says the Gemara. Over here by lechem hapanim we could we could we could be daik and say oh, he did the leish on a piece of leather, not in a klisharis. Why? The Torah never said I want you to knead it in a klisharis. You decided to do that. There's no issur to do it on a piece of leather. Al yisaron, but but it comes to the stay alechem when the Torah says meforesh visaron sayles, what that means use a measuring cup. You know what I'm saying? Measure it inside the sisaron. You saw the challah, you can't answer oh, maybe he used a vakadika thing like like a piece of leather. The Torah says meforesh to use the the kodesh and raboisai, have a wonderful day. Merit the schus of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shiur today. mdy.sponsor.com or sponsored.mdydafyomi.com.