Daf Yomi Makkos Daf 8 by R’ Eli Stefansky

[Music] We have a few guests today everybody for coming today. Well, I'm not going to say the spirit, but yesterday was two two days. This he ran into the CEO at he says it is. And over here we have learning. We'll put the sound in later, but they're at some sort of kids thing. Looks like unless it's a hotel with a theme. It looks like I hear noise in the background. Kids are playing over there. So mea I'm thinking Oh yeah. Yeah, look at the floor. Kids are having a great time and they're learning the D on the side. Beautiful. Here you guys could see. What else do we have? And this was today I gave Shir from my house in Chicago live. It was 9:00 in Israel. 900 p.m. in We didn't really patch them in. Okay. do we have today? We're going to go straight to the sponsors in honor of my family in memory of their uncleanist. May our learning bring us closer to one another and to monthly sponsors. sponsors. Thank you to Rebell's wife, kids for the great sacrifice they make allowing him to spread to the masses. Weekly sponsors in honor of my first completed doing art of the month of Ben in honor of Klein and Marinazi for all the work they do. Here we are. Should you give your kids a gazuna zets a smack in the face when they need it? Maybe not in the face. Maybe some other places. I don't know. You're going to be surprised. Today the um I guess the min is not to and if you do you go to jail. Let's see what the has to say about this holding four lines down from the top. If you take a piece of dirt, a clump of dirt and you throw it at a palm tree and it breaks the dates right over the tree and it kills somebody. We have a little bit of a there's a drawing. There's a guy takes a clump of dirt, throws it, boom, and it falls down and kills somebody. So, if you recall yesterday, we had a very, very similar thing in the Mishna. We had a guy was chopping wood and a piece of the wood went flying and killed somebody. So this seems to be the same case. So this is according to this is something that you go to gull according to you don't go to gullus says isn't that exactly what we learned in the Mishna again you're chopping wood a piece of wood comes flying out of the axe goes hits a tree the tree has a bunch of heavy fruit in it comes down and kills somebody I saw I think maybe rashi it's a kid but at the end of the day he killed somebody the same uh no here's a This is one power removed because your power remember we had a whole he threw I went to the park and I was doing you know those with the with the um gravity. Okay. Shot that thing with the potato thing potato launcher. So here we have your clump of dirt is your it hits the tree and then something else takes over the the fruit takes over and kills somebody that's the force of a force you don't go to G for that you do so that's not what is says it's this case right over Yeah, check it out. He hit a piece of branch and the branch hit the dates and the dates hit the guy. So again, that's that's hit the branch. The branch is what hit the dates. So that's one power removed. According he threw the dirt. hit a piece of wood and then that branch hit the dates and the dates it's cut off the dates and the dates went and killed the person that's according to says person takes a stone and blindly throws it into soar says it's impossible that is the case. Hara, why is that not a possible case? Because that would be amazed. If you take a stone, you throw it into a crowded area and kill someone. Oops, it was a mistake. It's not a mistake. That's amazing. So, we have to see what the case is. A guy threw a stone. After he threw the stone, somebody stuck his head out the window and the stone hit that person in the head. So I got to tell you a joke. I told this to Yoshi. He was on the floor. I mean, I heard he was laughing like crazy and he was so inspired by the by the joke that he said he wants to do some art. I said, "You can't do art. We have other stuff that that are more important." Like he says, "Yeah, but you have to go." I said, "You're 100% right. Whatever wherever your heart is, that's where you have to go." I see it's very choppy, the stream. Hope it's not a problem. So, the joke goes like this. I said it once before, but I want to add to to the joke today. Today, I'm I'm being four people show up in and uh the peasant over there sitting. They said, "Listen, we we're too we have too many people here. We can only accept people that have an extraordinary story, something you know different. So one guy says, "Yeah, yeah, I got I got a story to tell you." Guy came to my house. He was robbing us in the middle of the night. So I got up. I heard him like run away. And then I seen him like running down the blocks. I said, "You know what? It's a great opportunity for me to take them my my refrigerator, throw it out the window. I'll crush him." That's what I did. problem is I had a heart attack. That's why I'm here now. So that's a crazy story. New What's your story? I says my story. Oh, I was jogging like I jog every day. I'm jogging by a building and all of a sudden crush refrigerator comes pancake. Like oh that's crazy. What's your story? He says, "Oh, my story. I was in the middle of robbing somebody and uh all of a sudden the guy I'm robbing wakes up and I don't know what to do. I panic." So, I jump inside his refrigerator and now I want to add to the story. This old lady comes, she says, "I have a story. I heard a big commotion. What's going on? So I open up my window. I stick my window out the door. Out stick my head out the window and all of a sudden a refrigerator. That smile is what the Mishna says over here. So let's see what Yoshi did for his um you guys like the joke. It's good. Sorry. Here's Yoshi's art for this story. Especially for this story. Here's the guy with the defibrillator all the way on the left. He's the owner that had a heart attack. The Ghana of is the guy in icicle. He's uh got stuck there in the refrigerator. The other guy is flat like a like a pancake. The guy in the blue is the jogger. And then you have the old lady. They're all telling over the stories. Somebody throws a refrigerator out the window. Somebody else after it's in midair sticks their head out and gets killed. So the guy threw the the the refrigerator out the window [Music] is a person throws a stone into his own backyard. Do you have the right to throw a stone into your own backyard? Do you have the right to practice your your machine gun aiming in your backyard? Maybe if the guy that got murdered had permission to go in there. You have to go to if he has no business being in your backyard. You have all the right to do whatever you want in your backyard. Because the Torah says this whole story when you're chopping the wood heaven in a forest just like a forest everybody has right to be in there. So too that's be situation where everybody has permission to go in the but that comes to exclude the I should really try to scoot down a little bit. Maybe this thing. How do you get this thing down? I should know. I have one of these at home. Forget it. So when the guy doesn't have to go in there, then you don't have to go to go. So let's remember this says when you chop wood, why are you chopping wood? Cuz you feel like it. You want to. You you need wood for your house. It's of but that comes to exclude things that you're to do, things that you have a mitzah to do. You hear this a father who hits his sons. He's a mitzvah. He's doing a mitzvah and a who hits his. He's doing a mitzvah today. It's not acceptable. Today I don't know that I don't think so. But in society, we live in a society where it's not acceptable. I think Raim took it to another extreme in a lot of cases. Even parents took it to another extreme. But the Torah talks about it. The says if you don't hit your kid, you hate him. So hitting was always part of society. It was a part of and a part of a father being son's kid. What if is performing malcus on somebody, the guy dies. So these are three cases where if a father hits his son to the point where the son dies a rebi hits a where the tal dies he doesn't go to g why says because he's in the middle of doing a mitzvah so of course you know the brisk when he used to hit his kid he said I love you I love you I'm doing this out of love okay so today people don't want to hear about it all bad things happen because of I'm in Chicago so I'll repeat it again even though I probably just said it. There's a very famous psychologist or Flema. He's he's not doing so well, but uh back in the day, this was a while ago, I had this argument with him. And he said, "Listen, the reason why certain kids go off the D and the reason why all these bad things happen is because the parents hit the kids." I said, "Even like one time? Two times?" Yeah, even one time. So I said, "Who told you?" He says revulba said even revulba says he's not allowed. So this the whole thing I said so I went I bought the the book it's from and he writes the he says that when are you allowed to hit your kid when it's an extreme case and what's an extreme case when a mother comes home and the kids are jumping all over the bed and then this and she can't calm down. So you give a few smacks. So I said this is the extreme case that he's talking about. Anyway, in anybody wants the I can show it to you and in Ali writes that there's there's two there's two types of hitting. He brings the Zion and basically there's two types of sticks. One is a stick of of that you cause damage and one stick is a stick of love. Okay, he goes into it over there. But it's not important to us because in our society it's just not acceptable. It's just not something that you do and uh it's very frowned upon and I guess the say in our generation the way the kids are brought up and the way societies it just doesn't work anymore whatever it is each in their own I'm just saying over from the gar I don't want you to have tinus in the gar how does it say that you there's once the famous story in the gumar the garra brings it a few times at least at least once I should say where the gumar we had it not so long ago where a rebby was hitting a kid and he killed him. So they fired him and then they looked around. They couldn't find another rebi to replace him. He was a great rebi so they brought him back in. So that was the thing back in the day says the how could you throw a stone into public thoroughare throw a stone and say oh I was a me you're a real me. So he said his cuss what happened was he lived on the you know you had a house that faces and you had a fence and you wanted to knock down your fence and he knocked down the fence and one of the stones went into not that you threw a stone in say but that's still not a good excuse you should have made sure that nobody's walking by he did it at night how does that help you should have taken a flashlight and and checked to see nobody's there's He's breaking his wall into the garbage heap. What are we talking about? There's a lot of people that dre around in the garbage. Then you're real. You don't go to Gul. And if nobody ever comes there and you decide to throw your dump truck full of stones in there and it happens to be there's a guy there sleeping there, some homeless guy. So you're a real you're not a We're talking about a garbage heap that people relieve themselves at night. But nobody relieves themselves during the day. Not no one. 99% of the time, no one. And once in a blue moon, somebody uses it out of, you know, an emergency. He's not considered a he's not negligent. Why? because it's not something that people use during the day, but you're not a complete the sometimes people that come there and use it. So therefore, you're not, but you're not a and that's why you're go to goats. I said this a few times. I'll say it again because the talks about here the wrote it down. He he says talks there about what does it mean to be humble. So the Ram says you should be a real and he brings a story. He says there's aid that was on a boat and he was sitting in a position. He was very very it was a very humbling position he was in and one of the non-Jews on the boat walked over to him and had to relieve himself. So he exposed himself to him and relieved himself on this and the says I never had such a happy day in my life. I was so happy that it didn't bother me that I felt mush I was uh I was in nothing that this guy actually relieved himself on me. says the that's that's true and okay something to learn from it. So that's what we learned in the Mishna that if you when you throw the stone and then the person makes himself available to get hit. If from the time that the the stone left after it left his hand the stone then the guy's head came out of the window. So we're saying that the stone was first then came the the person over here means it came first meaning but how does it fit with the other puzzle? It says over here matzah means that it came afterwards not before afterwards. What we're talking about is the so person gets from his father all the way from Yeshua and he sells it. So he has the ability to redeem it. So the Torah says all of a sudden he came he came into money and he has money then he can redeem it. What if he had money set away when he sold it then he cannot redeem it. So it says and not only that none of you don't what if you have a piece of real estate that's not a very good piece of real estate but you had it at the time when you sold these don't try to sell your far away real estate. In other words, your less valuable real estate in order to redeem this. And don't try to sell the bad stuff in order to redeem the good stuff. In other words, means you came into money later on. So means later, not before. It's the opposite of what we're saying here. In other words, the word of could go both ways depending on the word goes together that all of a sudden you you were able to to get some money means now you got money. The word means now on the is similar to a forest. The forest was there before. What time is it? Rabbi 8:13. 8:13. So, we have 17 minutes. We want to try to make some I see you checked out the base to see this. So says that just like chopping wood is when you don't have to chop the wood, you just want to, you know, you need some firewood. But if it's a mitzvah, like hitting your son, not he said, who told you? Maybe the Torah is talking about a guy chopping wood for a mitzvah. What do you have chopping wood? That's a mitzvah. Think about it for a second. If I chop wood to build a suk, is that a mitzvah? What are you saying? Yeah. You say, "Yeah." What if I What if the I have to I have to chop what I have to chop what to build the circle. What if I found the wood? But that's for the shaking of the But this is like a mit. Where do you stop? What if I bought a car so I could slap my wood for the suka? So buying the car is also mitzvah. So let's see if doesn't sound so good. I have bad news for you. Huh? Everything's forem. But it's not the mitzvah. Yeah. You eat to learn. You sleep to learn. I get it. But there's a mitzvah in it. But is it part of the mitzvah? Maybe chopping wood. How could it be a bigger than that? And the Tyra tells us that you should go to Golos in a mitzvah. So therefore, if you kill your son, then you should also go to Golos. That's the question. Who told you to differentiate between a mitzvah and a nonitzvah? I just want to point out here because a lot of time until we get to suk again, but when we learning suka and once in a while we have to mention time when he got married a second time. So he built a suka where he always built a suka and his new wife said, "Wait a minute. I don't like the suka over here. It should be over there. She didn't say anything. He took down the suka and rebuilt it. Then she came and she saw the suka and she goes, "No, no, no. You're right. You're right. It shouldn't be over there. It should be over here." So he went and he rebuilt it. He took it down and rebuilt it. So in the Hebrew she somebody today said, "Ah shi for shi this is how you act." Yeah, you're right. Because what happens is you get you when when let's say somebody has a kid when they're 60 years old, of course they're going to treat their kid differently when they're 25, 30, you become smarter. You become I'm going to do things differently. So yeah, if you get married again, so you say all the mistakes I made with my first wife, I'm not going to do the second wife. But you get into a rut. You you do the same thing. No, I told you I'm going to do it. You get into the same silly fights over and over. So it doesn't work in the first marriage. Second marriage, maybe you could look at it from another perspective. So says what if you find wood? What if somebody gives you wood? Is a very interesting thing. Yeah, you're right. Right now you don't have wood and you have to chop wood for your but that's not part of the mitzvah because it was part of the mitzvah then if you found wood it would also be part of the mitzvah. But it's not a mitzvah if you find wood. So how does it apply to does apply? Why says the if you're doing a mitzvah by hitting your son, you don't go to if he dies. Wait a minute. Maybe the whole you hear this. Maybe is not a mitzvah. According to what you're telling me is not a mitzvah. Because if chopping wood is not a mitzvah, why? Because if you found wood, then you don't have to chop it. It's not a mitzvah. So what if you have a kid that's perfect? None of us have those kids. But the neighbor has one of those kids. The perfect kid. No necessary is born. I'm serious. There are kids like that. The born zero. I don't think it's a big is to work yourself and get better, etc. Okay. You have the perfect kid. So if that if that perfect kid, you shouldn't be cuz he's already perfect. It's like finding readymade wood for your suka. So if you have a kid that you do have to be maybe it's like you chopping wood to get to a certain point it's not a to say no no no mitzvah even if you have the perfect child you still have a mit once in a while to give him a smack in the face that's says he's perfect poof why I do nothing this for doing nothing says because he is a perfect kid but he's a little lazy So you got to you have to get him in line. I learned in in the famous uh school in Merit back in the day they used to smack over there a lot in Ben and I'll never forget I watched the whole video today. They revamped the school. They don't hit anymore. It's they spoke about it. Um the who's in the Hebrew sh today he also went to Tajar and he remembers all the rebies that hit him. I was walking down the hallway minding my own my own business and all a sudden I got a whack in the back of my neck and I saw stars like I never got hit right in the back of the neck I remember just seeing like like what he's like you're not walking fast enough to ma that's what they're smacking for this is what says you know a father could could give a son a little bit of a to to get him going he's too lazy he's on his you know, um, the Nintendo and the not the Nintendos, you know, the the Game Boys. What are they called? The Xbox. Exactly. The Xbox. Oh, why was I saying that? I have a much better reason. He says, look at the says when a when a person comes his friend into the forest, nobody's forcing me to go into the forest. You could. It's it's it's uh it's if you want to and if you say it's an option not to go in is is there such a thing that you don't have to go in right here. No. Okay. So you're telling me that the word means that you have an option. So take the same word throw in another part of the and over there it says a man a person that has an option. You're saying means a person who became and he didn't uh he didn't become and he went to what happens if you god you get cars means he has the option so what about you don't have the option you have to become if you find a m right nobody's dealing with this dead person you go ahead and you you deal with you have to. So you're telling me that when the Tory says that you get courage of is only when you had the option to become what if you don't have the option you must become in that case maybe that's impossible that so that's a question on the word according to means you have the option that what the word means I'm being in any situation even when you have no option and you're going to make some mdash you're still cars wait three more lines no but I need the words for something else not to tell me that if you're Tommy amazing you have no option that you still have I need for something else I need the word for something else that what here we have the concept called here. Uh oh, sorry. Let me go back is a person who's goes to the mikvah and now he's tar but he's quasi tar. He's not 100% tar. He has to wait until it becomes dark. So here take a look. He's purple. He's a and all of a sudden becomes dark and then it becomes green. He becomes tar just for from it becoming dark at night. is very similar means he was at he he uh he went to the mikvah was night but he has to bring a carb in the following morning what about these two people who go into the mdash they're basically 90% they went to the mikvah they're just waiting for the night time they god are not yes it says if so I already used the You're right. I'm not learning from Tommy. I'm learning from what if a guy is m he he saw me and he becomes m he's still going to now turning of the turning of the D. Let's see the turning of the D turning of the D by Adar Global one-stop shop for all your financial needs. by Kovations LC in honor of our sons KMO 12 Israel 9 you're not going to believe it I met them today in Chicago 12 and Israel 9 for learning Sanhedrin and Makus with again a big is one of them was wearing the sweatshirt y in honor of their global innovations innovations true role models of how to support the DA and learning. Some say this entire spar is back and forth on this part. How much time do we have? Okay, let's see what we could do. It says in the that you should stop, you shouldn't plow and you shouldn't reap. Now the P actually is talking about chabas chabas you shouldn't you shouldn't do it says no in fact I believe the is talking about so then why is the repeated craps that started out or the started out on the 16 and goes into the 70 are crap that grew a third inm and went into the eighth year. Then that uh even those are counted as says no no no let's use the regular simple the talking about shabas let's continue with the shabas theme and just like you're not supposed to do for no reason cuz you feel like it so When you're reaping, you're not allowed to reap things for no reason. However, you hear the kiss from Hashem. You're talking about over here. However, you're permitted to permitted to reap the which is here. You take this one just a nice picture of the night before. It's the second day of Pes. You reap some of the barley and you bring it as a carbon and that allows us to eat the new crop. Oh, so I'll mention it. I I wasn't planning on but why not? In America, there's a people are slightly relaxed when it comes to yash. The very very mak on but not so mak on yash. Not everybody some places which is a big sh Why is not what does mean even most that is it means that you're not allowed to eat from the new crap until you bring the carbon or the second day of pes I say this all the time when I was a kid I went to a pizza shop and asked him is this yan and some person in line said yosh kids are all people made fun of the the whole concept and they're slightly relaxed about it and it's a big pill in Europe and the reason I believe is and this is what I I saw brought down in Europe was very very hard to get yash so they had to come up with a ka for kadesh and there is a bach that's make and that's pretty much it only the bach so they it's almost similar to the what what we have by the sedar where a lot of people eat um horseradish for mar and they won't eat romaine lettuce even though romaine lettuce is on top of the list it's the number one m in the mishna is not making it up it's in the mishna number one mar is somewhere in the like third or something I forgot already we're learning and then also we we found out that in Europe you couldn't get romaine lettuce in the middle p so they had to eat the but it became so ingrained that this is what we eat we do horseer that roma became er there's people that refused to eat romaine because in the we ate horseradish but it's not true the they ate horseradish because you didn't have anything else but romaine is better you can't argue with the mishna so that's what happens with you know people forget history forget hey this is a serious is at least don't make fun of the people that are mkb on it that's that's all I'm saying and if If you have a local pizza shop, try to push him to to be. Okay, we got to go to talk about this all day. Omar, this is the same source that we said before. So, it's very familiar to us. Who told you that we're talking about to plow your field because you feel like I'm sorry? Maybe we're talking about specifically plowing your field for the So now if I asked you now you guys are going to be smarter. Is it a mitzah to plow your field to to to to plant barley so that later on for I could reap the barley? The answer is if you remember the before you'll say no that you're not allowed to do it on if you found a plowed field. You're not allowed to plow on chabas for this. So then the is not a mitzvah. We had a situation where a father hit his son and and he died and what if he found a kid that that's already you don't have to hit him. So it's not a mitzvah to to hit him. So then the whole the whole mitzvah that's only a to get him to a point to be. Even if a kid is completely obedient to whatever the word is even smacking him up once in a while is also said it means if he gets lazy give him a little uh and then I said the story with I got a whack on the back of my neck no I don't have to come on to that reaping is similar to plowing if If you found a field that's plowed, you don't have to plow. You say it's a mitzvah. If you found something reaped already, you don't have to reap. The mitzvah is to reap it and bring it as a what time is it? If a father kills a son, he must go to gull. And if a son kills a father, he must go to everybody goes to gulos because of uh killing a Jew. And if a Jew kills them like a slave will see the Garra then the Jew also goes to go is somebody who accepts upon himself not to do what does Rashi say over here who say that the so if a Jew if a Jew kills a doesn't go to G but if he but if a GitH kills a Jew, even he dies. We have to kill him. And another only goes to if he kills another. If we're talking about a father who hits his son, why does he have to go to GS? We said he doesn't have to go to GS. Sorry, because we're talking about a kid that's completely behaved and then the father hit him. So for that he has to go to go. We said even if he's completely behaved, if he hits him, he still has to go to go. He's teaching him how to make to earn a living. So he's teaching him how to be a carpenter. And he wasn't behaving in the carpentry. So he took the stick and he whacked him in the head. He went boom. Why didn't you listen to me? And he killed him. So he doesn't go to Gul. Why? Because he's doing a mitzvah. He's trying to teach him how to make a sorry but then the question he's why should he go to golos? The answer is no. He's being while he's teaching him how to do a so what that's a mitzvah. Use it. It's a mitzvah to teach a kid a and if you kill him while you you're teaching him that mitzvah, you're doing a mitzvah by teaching him, you shouldn't have to go to go. What about teaching a kid to be a rebi? Learning how to learn. So says teaching a kid how to learn to be a rebi to be a somewhere is also a type of says oh what happened was the this kid already learned how to do something he was already a lawyer the father wanted to teach him a second profession and then he killed him during that oh for that you go to gal let's just do one more over here and then we'll try to run out real quickly If a father if a son kills a father he shouldn't go to go. Why? Because it says it tells you excludes a son and a father. Just remind real [Music] quickly. Okay. So it goes like this. On the right side you have says is more severe than when a son kills a father he's two not hurting a father a that for that you get and killing a human being you get so a person's two things what do you typically give him the worse the what that's right how do you know because he learned Sanhedrin unbelievable so you at the stronger one you get. Problem is there's no gulos on doesn't say anywhere in the you go gull for you go to gull for but if we go to the right side to tanakama says that is more than so in this case the son gets two and which one should we give him there is because the says that any murder goes to to say let's see So since he gets for that he could get a go to goap but not but according to that the sword is more severe than choking. So if you kill a [Music] father is by by mistake you would get he supposed to get so for you don't get a for you do. So it depends if you're No, we're talking about he he didn't kill his father. He gave him a wound. If he did it on purpose, he dies. So he should go to gullis. Even though his father is alive and well, but because he has a hole in his arm, if he did it on purpose, he would go he would get killed. So since he didn't die, he should go to gullis. No, you only go to gullis if you kill somebody. Raoai, have a good moy, a good uh have a good day. Thank you for coming everybody. [Music]