Daf Yomi Makkos Daf 14 by R’ Eli Stefansky

[Music] Good morning [Music] boys live from Chicago very very guest almost everybody's a guest here what's your name again in the capital from Benerst and you are originally from Australia. What's your name? Elha Australia. Elioh Australia. That's easier than your real last name. Wow. That's okay. For coming. So, tomorrow Bam. Tomorrow is Tuesday. Tomorrow, same time, 8:30 here. Bam. We'll have a screen up. I hope. And then Wednesday, I still have to see because uh we have a flight to catch later on at night. So, reminder there's 26 people right now on Zoom is going to start climbing Bashem. There's 28 people. No, 28 people on Zoom. 26 people on YouTube. There's 28 now on YouTube. Okay. Um, that's in Hebrew. My friend got me into the DAFF and I love it. says Calman Milstein. So I I received three letters today from about 11 year olds. Three. Put two of them in. Maybe one tomorrow. Shsy Cohen sent this 11-year-old Benny Corine Kornfine. Cornfine from Zurich. You hear this? From Switzerland, an 11 year old. And then we have, "Hi, my name is Israel Jerger. I live in Hollywood, Florida and I'm 11 years old. It's funny. I don't know like they come in bunches. There's another one from 11year-old today. I started learning because my father was doing Sanhedrin. I want to thank you because now I'm learning a lot more. I'm really enjoying your sh. My grandfather's in the hospital. I'm hoping you can wish him. His name is Esther. Thank you as and just completed you baz with you. keeping me completely up to date says Dr. Mayor Wickler you know who he is like he writes in one of those magazines which one I don't remember so and I must be m you and the entire to you and the entire MD team for enabling me to do so cannot even imagine how much mysterious nephesh was required of of all of you to prepare record edit and upload so many sh to make this possible devoted talent in so Dr. May Wickler. So I I don't know if he heard about this, but last night I gave a shir in English right after Yantiff. Not right, probably hour and a half, close to two hours after Yand. And after she there's like some technical difficulty with the computer. So Mark recommended that I restart the computer. I restarted and I couldn't get back into it. Nothing. It's like didn't accept my password. So we started working on it, working there. Then I called up Gary Beitzer. I got Yosef Feineststone. He's very good with computers. Got him out of bed at about 1 something in the morning. He worked on it for an hour. 2:15. He's done. 2:15. So I told Mark, let's go. Okay, let's call it a day. Now I'm still in the hotel. He's like, no, no, it's better if we get it out of the way now. We do it the Hebrew and then tomorrow you can do why I have to do three room tomorrow. Fine. They have to understand it's 3:15 in New York. 3:15 a.m. And uh because of people like Marshazzi, the sheer moves. So basically 3 something 3 I don't know what 20 we're done. I went home. I had to drive home pack go home. You know you get home at 4 something 5:00. Then the phone rings early in the morning where are you? How come you're not calling? Let's let's go. Let's learn. But the people behind the scenes that's the it's unbelievable the the type of people that we have the ms that the shir should get out from all the editors and especially when I'm on the road it's very difficult for everybody it's different hours and different things so to everybody a real shimmy Kobe the editors Yoshi who works crazy crazy hours to get the art out and accommodate the Hebrew and the English and this and Mark Ashnazi of course of Remy Cohen Gary Ben Moshe all Um, this guy writes in Hebrew that he's not happy with the fact that I showed a a very bloody um video yesterday of the Masimra guys, the the Masai. They they they they drink blood and he says doesn't like blood. Imm she couldn't watch the shar anymore. So, you have to put like a little uh disclaimer. Um all right sponsored by churns in honor of family in memory of their uncleanist may our learning bring us closer to one another and to hashem I want to tell you about this bringing us closer to one another monthly sponsors Oh, I just noticed that the editors they listened to me in middle I said maybe we should break up the and the next one because it sounds almost like one long line. One sponsor for the whole month just put two words in. The the third sponsor I'll show it to you is another one. So now it's broken up so it's easier to to understand. Jeff's gourmet Los Angeles and uh I'll just mention one more timelian from Los Angeles. It has a little bit to do with him. This is the sponsorship. So the knows when to come on. Now there's 40 people on YouTube and it it's uh there'll be more probably once the emails are over. Kyle sponsors thank you to Rebell's wife and kids for the great sacrifice they make allowing you to bring to the masses. I said I don't know when it was. I'm already I'm like holding somewhere else. I think it's today that the guys in the s Yeah, it was today. They took a vinam test. It's many many damaras. Most of them take over a thousand gumar. It's gimmar rashi typhus and you have to score over an 80 with typhus. In other words, if you know gar rashi, you're going to fail. You need to know tyus in order to take this test. But five guys I think from the coil took this test and they're about to take the dish test which is about 1,800 daff. So we're very proud of them and uh my kusa he had to come home in middle of the day like it was after six seven hours his brain felt like it was frying so he's going to you're allowed to continue the next day. I think you did like 5600 DAF and then you just continue the next day. Crazy stuff. I don't know if any of us will ever know what it feels like. But daily sponsor in honor of Gans and his the man of the promotion. We are truly blown away. He's the one that came up with that uh calendar idea for Makus the back of the AM magazine MDY kids monthly and people are saying they want the same uh calendar for seek art of the month in honor of all the work they do. We're holding alf four lines down. So to remind the yesterday we had a three-way mus if a person is or if a person is does he get malus as well or on the side is malus even applicable if you get kurus or misa so you had a three-way mus how does a three-way mus work it usually works that you have the two opposite ends of the spectrum and And then something the one in the the the third sheet is right in the middle. That's what we have today. It's a classic. Either you hold that in both cases and misuses you get malus as well and you do not get malus at all. Or you have the middle shita reba who says that you get malus by chorus but not by it is raish says you get kus both by miso and by korus you get malus by mis and carus and says you only get by kus and say no no no there's no malus at all when it comes to so we're talking about yesterday they were only they gave him only for the malus part they never even said that there's going to be a okay says four lines down I'll he says I'll explain to you it says in the if you do any of these disgusting abomination all these care about you cars. So the question is then why in the world does the go ahead and say it's one of the many things that the talks about. So why does the Tyra talk about a sister and only by a sister says when it already says the word and the she isn't the sister included in yes. So then why does the have to repeat the word says there's a generalization for all those who are why does the go ahead and explain that by a sister to tell you that you do not get malus you only get by a sister we'll never get malus by a sister so what oh and if I learned learned that by a sister that I learned it for all the choruses every chorus is the same thing that what you only get cars you don't get mus it's interesting that there was a a very famous and to make not and I believe that it was in um Spain where a lot of the the Jews had to convert and they wanted to they wanted to basically threaten threaten make it very difficult for somebody to assimilate and start eating tra in public and they wanted to give people malus it was a whole could you give malus but you need somebody that's a but how do you get somebody that's you can't do so the wanted to give people so they could give whole story Oh is of the opinion he argues on these two. Yeah is of the opinion there's no malus. Why? Because it says the word by his sister. What about the other two they go together the whole what about them? There is there is malus in certain certainly by both him hold there is malus. So then what does he do with the word? Why is it why does it repeat itself that this car is my sister that you get multiple punishments if a person in one awareness he first with his father's sister then his mother's sister then his own then his sister-in-law then his sister on each and every a punishment on each and everyone already uses up this as we said that when when somebody has curs he doesn't get malus so how does he know this idea of splitting of of getting multiple punishments let's see the posica a second here we I just put it in parenthesis because that's his that he's saying that you don't need the word. The word is extra the what the I got to tell you the said something about women coming to to the sh and there's a woman mish putting her I I'm seeing her she's trying so hard to listen from outside. It's unbelievable um dedication to Tyra. Okay. So it should say what's we know that need is. So why what's the extra word is to to teach us that for each and every woman that is gets another punishment. So then why need to learn it from the word? So they can learn from the word. It's extra. You're right. It's a good question. They do learn it from there. Then we go back to the question. So what do they do with the extra that's mentioned by a sister by this by the sister because there's different sisters to teach you that it's going to get very interesting now for a sister for your father's sister and your mother's sister. What if a person is first he went with his sister then he was with his father's sister then he was with his mother's sister of course he's three times let's first of all it their name they have different names one is the other one is called the other one's called what's the he shouldn't So I want to tell you I want to share with you a story that I heard today from my very very good friend who's who lived in Chicago for many years. He he started the organization uh called um Israelink Israelink. It's a big cure. Plus he did them at Kabim school he started. So he said as follows he was on a train took a train to Taliv. He had a bunch of meetings and the meetings were over. He went back to he was in Chameish. He took the train back. Then he gets a phone call says, "Listen, uh, we got to continue the meetings in us." So, what are you starving? So, he gets off the train, he find the falafel shop. He says, "Usually doesn't really eat." Okay. Grabs some falafel. Everybody knows Yeuda from they have this famous argument that goes back from what's more important to means. I'm the big guy. He's the big he's the type of guy he he doesn't drive more than 100 feet and he's always taking people and giving people rides. his whole life discuss it. So he gets a falafel and now he doesn't know what to do. Like he's embarrassed to eat it on the train in front of everybody. It's not so proper. So he looks for a quiet uh train. What do you call them? Car. And he sits down and there's two guys that are not religious s sit across from him and he pulls out his uh falafel and he sees that they're like giving him like kind of dirty looks like what are you doing, you know? wait, wait until you get home or something. So anyways, he, you know, eat and one of them tells him. So he says back, he says, you know, I wish I wish I knew this that such a nice guy like you would wish me uh the tavon. How do you say tav in English? Joy. Howard appetite. He says, I would have bought you one. I would have bought you a falafel. You know what? He says, "I don't know. At least take my uh pickles." He had a bunch of, you know, they give you in the little box, a little plastic thing. Bunch of pickles. This see my pickles. So smoozing here with the back forth. After like a little while, they they get they start getting close to your slime. So there was two guys. You found out one guy was the father, like a 70-year-old or whatever. Another guy's a 35-year-old son. The 35year-old son gets up. He shakes his hand. He says, "Well, what's your name?" He says, "Yeah." He says, "Listen, my dad and I, we're on the way to protest against the but I have to tell you, I've never spoken in my life to never in my life." So, right now, we decided we're taking the train back to Tel Aviv. Going back to Tel Aviv, we're not we're not going to line for the for the thing. is just to say a nice word to to encourage another person to be to remember that we're not I said oh you that's a beautiful story with we're not we're one we're one we're we're all brothers it's hard to realize you know the other day I read a letter from from a conservative rabbi and I got two I'm going to call them hate mails like how dare you read a letter from what are you we're all yidden And we're hoping that everybody becomes matur. That's that's all to to to look at. There's a lot of people that that that say these are not these are we're not. So this Yeah. Yeah. This is a this is different bodies, different human beings with different names to the is of course three. A boy say listen to this. It's a riddle. This is the riddle. How is it pos? Think to yourself. Think if you can come up with the answer. It's not easy. How is it possible to have relations with one individual who happens to be your own sister and your father's sister and your mother's sister? How's it possible? says hello. No, no, no. We're not talking about three different individuals. We're talking about the same individual. And the on one individual, three. Why? Because she happens to be three different people. She's his sister. She happens to be his father's sister. She happens also to be the mother sister and how is it possible caseia byia arasha the son of a Russia so for that goes like this I don't know if you could see are you able to see we have a small screen here in Chicago this the guy with the code it didn't show up today so here father and mother They have a son. The son is a Russia. He had relations with his own mother. But that's not the end of the story. This is the beginning of the story. From this relationship, they had two children, daughter one and daughter two. The Russia is not done yet. He goes and has relations with his own daughter. His own daughter, daughter number one. And from that they had a son who's the Russia the son of a Russia. Now the son this this son what do you expect from him? He mish he carries on the tradition. So he goes this is all it never happened I don't think but what if goes and he has relations with his mother's sister. Yeah. So, what just happened there? So, his mother's sister is also his father's. We have to back it up a little bit. Hold on a second. Oops. What just happened? Not this. Okay. When this guy right over here, Mr. Ish we call him, he had two daughters from his own mother. Those two daughters are what? They're his sisters. You hear these two daughters Bas one and Bas 2 are his sisters. Why? Because their mother is his mother. They share this. He had relations with his own mother. So anything that comes out of that relationship is his sister or brother. So now that now that we know that and then he went ahead and had another relationship with his own sister who happens to be his daughter and they had a son. Now it's very understood that son went ahead and had a relationship with bass number two. Who's bas number two? His father's sister. So that's a she's also his sister. Why? Because they share the same father. Here, let me show you. So it goes like this. Why is that? Because Mr. Ish is his f is is is is his father the bad guy the guy all the way in the bottom of the chart who's his father Ish. And who's the woman he has a relationships who's her father? Ish. So they're their brother and sister. So that's why they're but don't forget that bas number two is also the father's sister. Why? Because he had who's the mother? ish's mother. So here Yoshi did a phenomenal job here. It wasn't like this when I when I got up in the morning. It was very different. It was like this the right side. So I told him, listen, we got to show it better with circles and and stuff. So I think I think now it's hard for you guys to see. There's phenomenal job here. It shows you who the here mother, father, daughter here. And now they're also that's the simplest one because Bas one and B two are obviously sisters. So she's the mother's sister. Okay. So we're done with that. Done with this. Well, not done with the completely but done with the this chart. How does we can leave the chart for a second. How does know one two three on the left side all three of these. So he doesn't have the extra word to teach it. So he has to learn. There's also listen to what happened there. There's a lot to learn from this. Leo went to the marketplace to buy an animal. Here, here's a marketplace. If you want to see what a marketplace in our days looks like, like in the olden days, but today there's the trucks, whatever. You sit around with your cow, you try to sell it, you bull. So, here he is going in the marketplace and he's trying to buy an animal for his son's wedding. I don't know if it's bing. I don't know what which son, but he went to buy an animal for his son's wedding. Why does the gumar have to tell us what he was doing? What's the difference? He's going for a doctor's appointment. So, they all explain that it's coming to teach us that no matter what you do, no matter where you are, you always grab with you, you always learn, you talk, you think in terra. Yeah, you're doing a mundane thing. Another very important thing that the says, you see from here that preparing for your a wedding. It's the mitzvah for the wedding is also a very big mitzvah and you should try to do it on your own because known to be a very wealthy person. So why can't they just send his his shiking his shamish and go go buy an animal for me? Great. I heard a cute story about today who was American, right? and uh he said that he was he was driving once and he had some sort of he's thinking and learning and he realized he's not a good driver like he's he's too he's preoccupied with with Tyra so even when you drive but the reason why I I thought about the story is because on PES I was talking to Ber and when Bakar said he learned his yeshiva learned three daff that holds man and uh you know that got me going three da man it's like where did it come from and all I started quoting him the briskur of 40 d a month and then he went down to 20 and and the stipler and this one and that said even even that you're learning finished the whole you could see from the maybe was more like and whatever but three dafer then I found this uh in in the ammy they had a an article about so it says there that he said that he used to Third daffal daf. What does dafal daf mean? One daff in the morning seder. One daffin from a different something in the second seder. Two daff a day. And at night he said that they used to go into deep sugius. They would go and think about certain sugis for a very long time. Okay. Anyways just you know just to anything that to push the other guys button. You know it's my specialty. A guy that learns three da a whole year. If he starts hearing these things he goes sugar. No, but today's generation, we're not that smart and we're this and we have to that and my was better than you. Okay, the whole thing fine. Not going to go into it. But I just thought it was great. I And then of course I had to show him the article, you know, brought it to lunch. Here, look. Again, I'm not proposing the should. It's not what I say. And I always say just the the the s such a small amount is is I don't understand what how it happened. It's it's evolving. It wasn't like that when I was when I was in yeshiva. Well, it was sort of but it was six. Now it became three in 10 years from now it's one and a half. It's just a mish. Okay. Zakar. So anyways, we're in the middle of a story. They went to this place and they're in this butcher shop. They went to buy an animal and they asked them this question that we just said. If somebody has relations with one woman who's three different sister, father, sister, mother, sister one perhaps three. We don't know if a person had five relationships with five different women who happened to be oh so he wants to say the same thing in our case. So what's the kasha that everybody's going to ask? What's the kasha the what? Oh the what you don't learn from the no but he said it. What did you say? He said there's a difference between five different women that have the same is the same name is but it's five separate women versus like a guy's five. He should have only once but over here it's one woman who's has five names to her. She's also a sister maybe it's different who thought the same thing. So, oh he says listen it's only one name of but over here that's three different names certainly for each and everyone oh there's a story about the villag that one of his came to him and said I'm stuck I cannot go invite the rebi I can't have such a bomb in the I can't go. So he says look at so he comes back he says I looked in I don't know what you're talking about he says at the end it says says had a bombasha and he says I don't know the answer and guess what a minute later he went there's another right afterwards so you can also go says it's not a good you know the story need it's five different women says I mean what is the how can you compare five separate women that have the same is to one woman has three different a completely different case to make says is going to learn from this we have to know this puk it's a famous puk they're going to talk about it a little bit says if a person has relations with his own sister who happens to be the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother in other words she's a half a sister and it says what's twice it says so we're going to dish in both of them both of these uh is since It's extra. She's going to teach us that what on each sister individual is. Why needs it? What is what do they need it for? Oh, this is the famous Gmorra that everybody goes there. It's hard to understand this, right? We know the famous idea that you cannot give somebody punishment based on This is the classic example right here. Check it out. This is the PU again. Same PU. It says in the P that if a person has a relationship with a half a sister, she's a sister through just a father. They don't share the same mother, only the same father. Or they share the same mother, not the same father. You got cars. What if they share a mother and a father? So every woman who you share a mother and a father, you certainly share just the father. So of course you should be no that might be too much. Maybe maybe you don't get cursed. Maybe you get a new I don't know what something even more powerful. In other words, I'm just throwing in what some explained that means it's such a you're right. It's a great maybe it's too powerful of a you can't learn the same whatever. Fine. We learn from that this idea that since the Tyra has to say the word twice to teach us that even if she's a complete sister like a regular sister not a half sister she's a sister from a father and a mother you also what do you see from here you can't make anybody learn this idea when it comes to the to the warning, right? Every every time you punish somebody, you the Torah has to say it twice. Once the Torah has to talk about the punishment and another time completely another talks about the warning, don't do it. Throughout the whole we had a discussion does that apply also to or not? But all you want to give a guy malus has to be in the don't don't do this and don't do it. And the second time it says it is the warning not to be confused with for somebody asking the question about actually was in the other whatever but means that we human beings we warned somebody don't do it means hashem warned us in the in the bottom when it comes to the warning of having relations with the sister it says and over there. The Torah doesn't say a sister from a father. It's all the same thing. Even a sister from a father and a mother, that's the warning. Oh, and if that's the warning, so the punishment also there's no difference between a sister from a father and a mother. So we have the right we have the two in this passage. We have the in the beginning of the Pum and at the end of the Pum. So we learn it from the the first one. Rashi explains that the first one is also extra because it could have just said is a is a sister. I don't have to explain to you she's a sister. The daughter of your father is your sister. The daughter of your mother is your sister. So the first is extra fine. uh sponsored. We have to pause for our local how what did they say? We have to pause for our local sponsor something like that. Turn of the D. Uh thank you global onestop shop for all your financial needs in honor of our sons 12 for learning Sanhedrin and Maki. Unbelievable. 9-year-old and a 12-year-old learning in honor of our global incubations through role models of how to support and learning. Oh, how do they explain the first word of the It's About 60 people live right now. 40 on YouTube, 20 on Zoom. What time is it in New York? 10:15 already. It's not It's not early. So, let's see the P to understand this. The P has two parts to it. The first part if you try to mimic the oil that you anoint the and the you get if you use it as shampoo there's two the red part in the and the top loop and it says afterwards it says once on both so that I need the special that's all if I have a word or that have nothing to do with it it's already it's it's obvious and we we already have for it. So if I can't use it here, I'll use it somewhere else. So I'll use it for this. I'll use it for that. You get for both over here like in this possible there's two separate lab don't create it and don't use it when the says you should know that if you do it by mistake you made the oil and then you use it as shampoo you have to bring two doesn't hold a ribbon. I'm sorry. Yeah, doesn't hold. And how does he learn this? He learns from the from says and what's he do? What does he do here? This is a big kush. I think this is a big kush. What's mama when it comes to anid dido? What's mama exactly? So let's say I take a syringe and surgically remove the dam from a woman. Is it mama or not matama? Yes or no? The answer is no. It's not mama at all. Why? It has to come out the normal way and not through a surgery or something else. So we learned in the Mishna of somebody who is Tommy himself. He went to a funeral. I don't know if anybody noticed I don't know maybe just in my circles my wife's two best friends their fathers were nif today was the lev two they were in muz I just heard just a bunch of different maybe cuz they're saying a lot of times I heard that after yontiff a lot of people are nifer because people that are very sick they try to like hold out for yont at least you know to be with I don't know maybe just a coincidence. So anyway, person goes to Leva, comes back and he eats a carbon ag when a person there's two things not to be confused. Somebody who eats kesh and somebody goes into the base when he's tummy. Somebody whose tummy who eats a carbon and somebody who walks into the base. So says here this is a great example for us to see what means and in the same thing when you walk into when you're came from a funeral this the penalty part it says you get where's the warning to that it's another you shall not go into the But a eating person the penalty we see it says but where's the warning in the we have it says by a woman who gives birth she shall not touch the the the caution. I just want to show you in the beginning of the suga so it might be easier as we go through the suga. It's very simple these four words actually learns three different things from it. So first of all he learns that even before the of the blood is the warning here it is in the warning not to eat and this is a warning not to touch. Okay so these are the three things that we're going to see now in the referring to someone who gives birth a woman who gives birth. So learn from the name of a person we have same word the word in two different places so I can learn one from the other it says by somebody who's who eats who eats so that we know this car is somebody who walks into it says to the same word to mal the person who goes in we're we're trying to find where is the warning so says the warning comes from sha it's you're right it's not in the but there's the does say a warning by one thing and I'm going to learn it to another thing so too by somebody who eats Great. So we have who learns it from we have learns it from I find this fascinating because you know throughout you see that was contemporary a little bit of but he was a he didn't learn he never learned what holds didn't he teach them no so you know maybe there's a that says thereish he He was a before he became a bad guy and then he went off then he back on he has his own that taught him the shavas I once saw I forgot where that they used the used to have a number of shavas you can't just make up he already used it up so says okay doesn't have sha he can't just use however The question is why does use let him use it's not even referring to your here this says it's not even referring about not talking about but it's talking about somebody eats truma now we have to also point out when asked should learn like your and what's going to do with this? It came from what are you going to do with it? What are you going to do? Put it away? You have to you. So obviously he had something else to use it for. You can't just take and say, "Okay, I'm not going to use it." Fine. Great. So if this is talking about if somebody from the descendants of Aaron is a here brand new for today I love this one. Let me show you the other one. Hold on. This is the old one. Right. He had saras on his hand. He has he's wearing one of my ties. I don't know which one but it looks like one of my ties and he's a reporter. He's sing English. Here's the new one. This guy is texting. As he's texting, he becomes a Okay, that was back in the day when it was very obvious. So I'm asking you if you had a choice to pick one of the two. It could either be somebody that eats or somebody that eats truma. When the PK says is what's that mean? It means descendants. What would you rather pick? Only male descendants or all descendants including women. So says it makes more sense to say all descendants. So what could that be? can't be carbonas. Women can't eat certain carbonas especially after they get married. But women could eat truma and women could eat truma even after they get married. If they get divorced and they don't have children, they could still eat truma. So that's applicable to all descendants of Oh. Uh, let's see. I lost my place here. Truma. Where am I holding anybody? Nobody knows. That's great. So that's true. We need a pos who touch Truma. Then it makes it possible. asking a question. You tell me that this is what the comes to teach us. We need a we need a warning for somebody that touches according to at least because the one that holds us a problem. Look, he uses the already. It's used up. No, that like we said a second ago is talking about using the for something else. How could he use it for our so first of all the says so the is using of touching. So I'm learning I'm going to learn something else because us I'm going to learn for that if somebody eats have a dish a between somebody eats and somebody who goes into the mdash if you haven't seen this it's Somebody not this this I just like the movement these days dam I hope the guy that sent me that email I read before she is not uh opposed to this kind of dumb there's a guy in our the Hebrew shear a young guy from Texas anytime he sees blood in the shear on a video he just faints on the spot so I hope he's not watching I got to give that uh warning I I go upon him. What about before this? Before this occurs, right? First you do the you do the you you go to the and then you do this. What if what about that ate the the meat of the carbon before this occurred? Before this another whether or not you get before says you do get It doesn't matter before after see here you see this that's why I put this over here that is coming to say beforeh teaches us is the for touching now that's why this encapsulates the whole in one chart why say you don't get malus for eating before malus because we said a minute ago that he holds. What's and the word is after not before. Oh, and says, "No, that I know from the How do you know that it's a warning to somebody that needs?" Maybe it's a warning to somebody that touches because that's what it says. something that you get cur but if it's talking about just touching there's no there's no cur on touching the only time you get curs is something that you eat really knows it's talking about eating have a wonderful Hey, hey, hey.