Daf Yomi Kiddushin Daf 60 by R’ Eli Stefansky

good morning in middle of a war there are a lot of injured a lot of a lot of the mood is somber somewhat away in an undisclosed location with all of my family so we're start off with we'll go straight into the learning we'll skip the [Music] emails [Music] for today she is sponsored Lo and love families L New Jersey because are the best Michel Michael chessel from Florida I believe in memory of [Music] Neil's father the third Paras safe return OFA unknown whereabouts after the massacre over Shabbat of the month for all that come from supporting still not too late to join you join on your own you there's a old off program app that helps out is giving out many many a special mdy edition here we go today's we're holding all the way on the bottom because I am traveling so preparation is hard the charts are very difficult so please forgive and B there will be better days up ahead so we're learning the idea of a person says I am [Music] being it's almost like a contradiction from now and after 30 days so according to Rav that says we don't know what exactly this person meant to say is he making a condition is he saying I want to start it now but if things don't work out then I have a chance to back out if things work out then after 30 days we'll be married or he's completely retracting what he says and then stop wait a wait a minute I made a mistake no let me retract you know when we're going to get married in 30 days from now is that somebody comes along and is mish her in between If he if it's a complete retraction then she's engaged to the second person not to the first person but ra says that we don't know it could be a retraction or could be a condition we don't know so if so says the first person said 30 from now till 30 from now 20 so now the second guy he beats the first guy by 10 days from now in 10 days so now the third guy beats the second guy and the first guy [Music] says so now since ra says it could be two things it could be either a condition or a retraction so let's think about it for a second if it's a retraction then the first and second people if they are completely retracting then they both retracted and the third guy jumps in and he says okay I want to get mad married now after 10 days so he'll win you need to get from him but if it's a condition then the first guy beats out the other two people so then you need to get from the first guy so you need to get from the first guy and the third guy so you need to get you need it from the first and the third you don't need a get from the middle gu if it's a condition means a condition the first guy is the one that was the second and third are nothing and if it's a retraction the so then if it's a retraction then the last guy wins and the two first guys nothing so we don't know which one it is R says it's a suff therefore you need to get from the first and the third that's what did what did a add some people use it as some people use it as think about it maybe the first and the third guy they retracted but we don't know what each person maybe some people use it as a retraction some people use it as a condition so if that's the case maybe it's not the that each person has a suff some people use like this some people use it like that so what if the first and the third Ed it as a complete retraction and the second guy the middle guy came in and grabbed so maybe you need to get from the middle guy no we have a suff in each individual everybody's equal in the way they use it so therefore it's either the first or the third but the middle guy never says say the name listen to this this is unbelievable 100 people can make a in one woman how's that possible and not only [Music] said even hundred people because it's so unbelievable you need two to tell you this we heard it from let me explain to you how this works this is like building bricks like Lego is if you were to build a brick on top of a brick and you try to build a wall then each row would fall down by itself it would have absolutely no strength but since you place two bricks like this and then you place a brick that's on top of the two bricks each brick leaves room for the next brick in other words what he's trying to say in terms of the lus over here is that each person made a little bit of kushan in this woman a little bit of K not a full complete K so you make a little iny bit of K so then there's more room in that woman for added Kush and you can go up to 100 that's what said says now this happens to Beal for us as well and that is that if each person is concerned about themselves and their own family so they build up on top they give to their kid and they give to another kid another kid but nothing to the outside then what happens is it topples over but when you think about other people you include other people in your life it's not just you and your family you allow for other people to benefit from you you have in then that's Everlasting building says wait a minute is it possible that one woman could be 100 men how's it possible remember the case k you I'm sorry I'm giving you a get from today so the key word here is from today and after I die so R says suff well the gor says Mish says get get it's a suff we don't know does the get start from today or is the get and if the person died we don't know what happened is she a divorced woman and a divorced woman does not get she's not a he Di without children so his wife doesn't fall to the brother-in-law she doesn't even need she doesn't need certainly she can't do or he said and there's no get there's no get after death and therefore she's a regular who Falls to this makes a lot of sense according to ra because we have a suff we don't know is it a get not a get okay so because we have a suff we say and according to great I could explain it rebi says it's 100% of T in other words it's a get remember rebbi says it's a t so t means I'm starting today and if I die later on then the get should be now 100% divorce so RAB argueing that and they say we don't know for sure if it's night it's not 100% divorce and therefore let's give her she I personally says I hold like rebi I know that it's a get ACC to when a person says something like this he's leaving room for somebody else or he's he's not doing a complete get he's doing a semi get if a person gives a get that's only a partial get in other words he's still married to this woman on some level he's divorced from her on some level whatever that means but he still married her so if he's married her then it's nothing it's not a real get you can't be semi- divorced and if he if it's zero get because he still somewhat married her so if he somewhat married her that means there's zero get if there's zero get then this person has to go TOS forget about it's not even a suff according to you that holds that you could do partial things partial K partial get then this is a partial get and partial yet means nothing says ra this is lumus after lumus after lumus says yeah you're right there's a partial get so let's for theoretical purposes let's say the get was useful to the point that it divorced her 50% and now the person died so now she's completely out of his jurisdiction 100% together they work together they're their teammates a little bit of a get a little bit of Misa poof she's on her own get okay so you're right so the get didn't accomplish everything it left a little let's say % the death of the husband is good enough says AB know they work independently of each other they can't work in tandem they're not a they're not they're not teammates they're not a team why what does get do get if a person divorces his wife then she doesn't fall to her brother-in-law if a person dies then his wife does fall leum so they work opposites of each other how could they work together let me explain to you says so Yoshi did this but I I wasn't happy with so much with the and I don't know I think he updated it but whatever it didn't update on my computer yet maybe we can insert it later so it says like this just a very very simple chart it's chart number 10 why is it 10 I don't know but that's what it is so the this two here the first in green that's a condition and a condition works it's a good get this is your get if the person says about himself he dies so when he dies it's a get retroactively that's why it's in green the second one is that's what we discussing from today from today and after that's not a condition so I want it to start now I want it to end after death so it's red not a again so says in the case of so that's a it's a good get so says in a case the green it's a good get so what's if there's a get then when her husband died she wasn't married him 100% so she's zero Z so also in our case that what that you're right there should be it's not a good G you see it's red not a good get she's married to this guy when he died she should go to I but because the cases are so similar in in the language and in case number one the green it's a good get zero so case number two where it's not a good get and there should be we say no says so why don't we do why don't we say that in the case of that should be in that case if you really want to compare the two cases so say okay you know what do also in the case in the green should should be in that case why because you might confuse it with the second case in the red say that's a big problem you could be a lot of things but you have to be careful if you say that in a case where there's in the green case where it's a good get it's a good get so they're not even married no you should just so there's no confusion but wait a minute people say way if some guy will come will say what I remember there's a case like that and there was so in my case I'll just do there's no it was a good get she's not your says so what about in the case in red why do you say she should do she does somebody might come to why it's a bad get bad get means that she is and so she should we we're just saying you might confus with the green case where there's no get where there is a good get so in our case we do ah you might come to do worse comes to worse it's only this but I want to start being on a little bit more the captured people and I think 3,000 wounded it's unbelievable the numbers this I know the name I'm not going to say it that they made a Tak that you cannot listen to certain rabbis sh I know his name I'm not going to say it he gives beautiful shum great stories most of the whole thing so I never understood why why can't you listen to sh so somebody once explained that the reason is because they want you to have a fight they say the worst guy in the Yesa the rebellious B he's going to go and worst comes to worse he'll download this Ur from K listen to this urum it's a lot better than having a fight somewhere else about some other I don't know what movie or who knows what let let the fight be about a certain R and a certain that that was their if it's true or not I don't know but it's interesting over here we're we're saying don't do what are you concerned that you might do no that's it's not the end of the world if you do in this case should be doing should be doing says easier stuff it's time to wake up I want to get engaged to you with this says rash this coin right over here on condition I give you later on $100,000 it's a good K right now he just has to fulfill us night so we'll see is the K now is the later he gives himself a time limit and the time limit is very important maybe it's not a real hard time limit maybe he was just trying to put himself in a position that he has to move quicker but he said I'm going to give you the money within 30 days get if you fulfill this Condition it's a good if not it's not on condition I'm very rich I'm very wealthy know you have nothing to worry about I will be supporting you you could trust me I have 200 Z in the bank account if he really has 200 in the bank account then it's a good condition on condition this sounds a little fishy let me show you my account that I have 200 again he needs to show her he asked the shower it reminds me of a story where there was a poor person who used to walk by the restaurant every day and he would stop and smell the delicious smells coming out of the restaurant pretend that he's sitting and eating a really good meal so the owner of the restaurant this big Russia was not happy with this every day what you going to stop in front of my store so he took him to a he says Rabbi he needs to pay me because he sits there and he smells all the smells so says you're right you're right so he tells the the H here take out some coins from your pocket and rattle them he says you see the same way he smelled it that's the same way he paid you you hear with that noise that noise here he paid you sometimes all you need to do is see it if he could show it to her he could show her the money K he can't show her the money no K let's see he's a money changer thousands of dollars spread out there and he says look I told you I'll show you the money here I showed you the money it's not his money so what's the if it's not his money of course it's not K is going to tell us he makes money off of this money it's his business but it's not his money some people work in a in a money money change it's not their money but they make commission they make they make whatever salary so that's what he's trying to say if to make a condition on condition that I here's here's a I give you $100,000 he has to give her but mean wild is K says no there zero K until he fulfill so we have is the good he just has to fulfill it or it's not a good until he fulfills it so is she engaged on Sunday and he just has to pay her by the end of the week or when he pays her at the end of the week then she's engaged big enough it's just a condition all he has to do is fulfill the when he gives it to her when he gives her the money then right now the zero What's the difference if she accept the from another person according to she's engaged immediately then she's not engaged to the second guy then she is engaged to the second guy because she's only engag to the first guy when he fulfills his condition but he didn't fulfill his condition the second guy came in before he fulfilled the condition so she's m to the second guy we have the exact if you're with us with remember this I'm gonna give you this get on condition you pay me the divorce is right away says all he has to do is fulfill the condition but she's divorced immediately when she gives the the $200,000 then she's divorced it's just all he has to do is fulfill the but right now she's divorce when she when she pays get only when she pays is the's in the case of a if the get was torn or it was lost have a because she was in divorced immediately so the fact that the G got ripped and torn and lost five days later doesn't make a difference to us because the get was immediate have a and according to rud since she's only divorced when he fulfills the condition but by that by the time that he fulfilled the condition the G was no longer in this world so she's not divorced says why do I need a case by and why do I need a case by I need them if I only said says that it works immediately he wants everybody wants to get married to the kala he's not trying to distance her he's trying to get get married so may work right away maybe by get a person is not really so getting divorced maybe he'll agree that let's push it off a little bit when the condition is filled then we'll be divorced what's my hurry to get I was married to this woman for 40 years why should I get divorced today today let's wait until she pays me then we'll get divorc if we only say this idea by a [Music] get says it works right away by get why because this individual does not care so much for this woman anymore anymore so there's no problem collecting money from her he has no problem knocking on the door right we said we're going to get divorced on condition you give me $200,000 Where's My Money pay me he's not embarrassed of her the cow is all shy she doesn't want to start up with the so maybe we shouldn't allow it to happen until the condition is met okay so we need both cases this is your get on condition that you give me 200 so we [Music] have wait a minute we have a we have a this is a little different than what we just said this is your get on condition that you give me 200 Z and he dies and oh no sorry this is your get you just have to give me $200,000 the get was ripped or lost that sounds like this isud says that you need another get according to the the original get is good ah he got lost stolen it was it was an immediate get so we have a problem with Ruda and we have another problem because it says same case this is your get on condition that you pay me before she was able to pay him he died if she gave him the money she's divor if she didn't give the money she is remember this it's amazing thing says a certain type of way out of this say all she has to do is pay one of the relatives and then retroactively the get is a get or retroactively but it's like it's like the G was a get she just has to fill the condition how do you fulfill the condition by giving the money to one of the relatives so scratch the word retroactive doesn't apply it's a get immediately like rauna she just has to fulfill her condition what would be the is could she fulfill her obligation and her by giving the money to an inheritor to a so that's yes no but the but everybody agrees that the get is immediately just question is could you fulfill the night on rud this goes it's not a question on me because that goes like rebi because says remember it was one of the according to at least when a person makes a condition he means right now that's like guess what and all argue on him and I would rather take the position of the r of okay we just mentioned it any person that makes a condition what he's really saying is I wanted to start now just you have to fulfill the obligation when I was in we said this is what he said that it starts right now we went over there to and they said in the name of [Music] sorry no in the name of everybody agrees that when you say you mean let's start right now the only is something else not but a person says from today that's our case in M from today and after death but and I'll prove it to you says that's that's the case that he's saying a I don't know if he meant does the get start right now today or does he mean that it should start after death that's that's what he meant from right now says that they argue not only in the case of but every time a person says on condition why is the said of and after Mis right it's two like a contradiction the get is today the get is after he dies what which one is it says he meant said I don't know what he meant why don't you say a much better that they argue in a case of Alman person says on condition in that also rebi says it starts right now say we don't know to show you how powerful rebi says his opinion not even though he says really a contradiction he says no says it starts right now says that's very good that shows you how powerful but so in the case of to show you how powerful Raab hold that even on alas we also don't know what he meant it doesn't start right away say famous line in it's much more it's much harder I should say it's harder to be matter something it's EAS to be so I want to show you I heard a beautiful line from I think you'll appreciate this line he says in previous generations the they would say let's not make a because the can uphold this it's he says today it's the opposite he says don't make it co because it's everybody wants to be M today so if you make a kol people G say well I can't I can't do it I need to be M so you can't make a Kola that people can't can't tolerate and they're going to make a used to be you can't make a because nobody could could uphold a today you make a cool what are you crazy I'm going to be make I'm [Music] says a person says I'll give you with this coin on condition that he give you the money within 30 days if he gives it to her he doesn't give it to her no left no why did he use 30 days just to make it quicker to give a a what's the word I'm looking for uh a date a [Music] um that's the when there's a she in seconds they say it there's a date um you know what I'm talking about okay there's a let me just think if I come with the [Music] word anyways there's a date that we're going for and if that date goes and by comes and goes okay it's not the end of the world we're not going to break it off no he's very mck on the date and that's it on condition that I'm very wealthy I have 200 in my bank account maybe he has in a Swiss account how do you know there was actually a that says that we must be concerned over here we're talking about certain K it might be that he has a bank account in Switzerland but it's not 100% kushan the Bryce is talking about aan you want to talk about aboutus you have spus all day long maybe it's account in Switzerland maybe it's count in Hungary I don't know so that makes it a that's what the BR is talking about yes I have to [Music] be I'll show you why is it not because she wants to see his own money she wants to make sure she's marrying somebody supporter and if he shows her in his store that he has hundreds of thousands of dollars means nothing she of course not it's not his he's a partner over there he's going to make commission he doesn't have a partnership in the money but he has a partnership in the business if he does well and he sells a lot of money he changes a lot of money he'll make good commission so he's showing her that that's not enough she wants to see cash I have a very large amount or a of offer I have I have a piece of land again same thing like money if he has it great he doesn't have it no I have a piece of land in New York City I have a piece of land in Hong Kong I have a piece of land in if he has a piece of land in that exact spot that he said it works I'll show you a piece of land he has to show her his own piece great he says you see down there there's a piece of land it's not his it doesn't work says maybe has a piece of land I don't know where and we learned somewhere else the same thing that we said [Music] before this a br that says that you have to be concerned maybe has a piece of land in somewhere is talking about a certain you want to talk aboutus yes you're right there is a that's what the talks about says what I need two cases one by money one by real estate people tend to hide their money in Swiss accounts if a person has a piece of land people know about it I'm person says I have in a certain place so if you come up with it great not not's what do you care if I have a piece in we live in New York so I will make sure that I bring it from wherever it is what do you care where it is I'm the one working the field I'm the one bringing the know she does [Music] care says the final line on condition I could show you that I have a certain plot of land she doesn't care if he shows her a piece of land she wants to see what he owns is very interesting what she's never seen a piece of land he's he's like a tour guide here you see that's a nice piece of land that's a nice piece of land it doesn't help her that's not why she's marrying him she wants to see that he owns it and if she just pointed to a piece of that's not his it's not a he is a share crapper so you think that he's a sh crab he's not just pointing to a vacant piece of land that's not his he's saying you see that piece of land it's mine what do he mean it's mine he he he didn't really lie it's not his he's not on the title but if he works it he gets shears so therefore that maybe I would think that's good kush because he has a business there like with the money you know what I don't think I said the sponsors I'll say them now we turn to for all those in need of 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