Daf Yomi Kesubos Daf 38 by R’ Eli Stefansky

it's so amazing to be here in johannesburg south africa can't believe it i was in show this morning in the rav rabbi raff i think that's his name he just he said one line to me and i went back to my seat and it hit me afterwards like he said do you understand that you have tamidim in south africa do you understand what's the after the shema that is and i said you're right it's tremendously i was trying then i went back to my scene i was like wow i'm an heritage stroll i'm in a map of chaves and i have to tell you i said it's over in child shows i have to tell you my entire life wherever i've been there's always this line that people say ah calte litwak and people have lines like this they say uh they they say about the galziana they're like this and they see them are like that and you come here to south africa where 95 percent of the people are lit fox i'm amish i feel at home over here and the farm kite hala valley all year then should be so varm people the hugs that i got the kisses the people went out of their way people walked 15 minutes this way and and and setting up the house that way you don't understand the feeling i've never had such a feeling in my life in any place i've ever been so all these rumors are put to rest there's no such thing as a catholic fact where the varmints the yielding in the world now if we want mashiach to come we have to stop with this labeling people you guys are like this you guys are like that everybody has milos and everybody's constrainers but the constrainers of the lit fox are not that they call forget about it it's time it's it's a bad rumor that i have no idea where it came from so i want to say this and then his family and his father i met the and there's another thing i was thinking about why was robbie mafson so with kirov here the changed south africa everybody knows about the tremendous movement of kirov and i was thinking on chavez that perhaps this is probably the only place in the world where you go into an orthodox show and there's unaffiliated jews many unaffiliated jews they show up with their cars on shabbos and they sit down next to the religious and the fruma people and everybody's cobbled them to save every point in the face and everybody feels part of it and maybe that's why there's so much leah because the the friday he feels that he's he's that's a part of it and i heard people because you tell a fried guy here you say you're fried you guys no no i'm orthodox you're for no no no i'm or i'm an orthodox reformed what are you talking about i'm organized so that actos and that van kite that people have here made a tremendous spa on the whole sviva and everything they do and bark hashem i'm here i see my good old friend mindy oyerbach and his brother who are the sons of rabbi ariba i spoke a lot about mendy in the tower mago here he is ishkar for coming [Music] no because he makes me feel comfortable he sits two shares over for four years he's been there i gotta tell you one of the varms to you than i know and there's no such thing as luck everything is at protest i looked it up now two minutes ago i showed it to mandy august 17 2019 which means three years ago to the day but not yesterday and not tomorrow to the day look it up was a shabbos a week after tish above that's how i know i was in a hotel in cape town and the youth comes over to me so malaysia hey my name is leon welcher and it was exactly three years ago so today is three years of a hazaka of being tremendous you did him and he says what do you do i said i i used to do real estate in there but now i'm trying to to give shiurim i have something called the eight minute daf i told him what it is synopsis of the daf in eight minutes and he said i want to make an app for you i do apps i did one for usha reverse your uh weiss and i want to do one for you i said okay yeah yeah sure a lot of people said and then i saw him multi shops at a restaurant and he says listen i want to introduce you to russell weiss so i go with her buster weiss and i i start losing with him i said i got to show you this and he opened up my video i because doyle told me boston loves animals he loves safari i said look at this i was just the other day in this place where you could touch the lines i sat on the lion i gave an eight minute death he looks at me and he says this guy's a mushroom so leon comes to me afterwards he says listen i know the rough said your mushroom but the rambam says that all good things are done by misha game so it's a good thing they were sure gonna and each so he didn't take even though he's a big hostage of a washer he took it with a grain of salt hashem liked the fact that i was in sugana and he went with it and like a month later he delivered an app and since then we use that app we might have to upgrade it because you know it's getting a stickle outdated but he said he came he said he'll do and tonight the the malevolent here is sponsored by the welchers by the way you don't understand the his daughter she thought that maybe my wife is gonna walk she walked 20 minutes this way 20 minutes that way the the mount of chesad and vanquish my kids who are very picky about the people they like they said the welch they've never seen something like that such unbelievable nice people so to be a source for the neshama so tonight's year sponsored by the welch's and greenfield family for the slaughtering of debbie welcher greenfield late father shloima bin david his wife the unbelievable stuff so it's great for having me i think that's enough for usually i read emails i have an email here that i just opened up tonight it's by yeshua i get like 30 40 emails a day by hashem and i read only the best and some of them have pictures and videos we're not going to do that tonight but this one i thought was interesting a little bit to do with tonight says yeshua said gaff tour from something like that great neck i'll just spell his name s-e-d-a-g-h-a-t-p-o-u-r you figure it out yourself he's from great neck new york he says he's a businessman with only a few hours a day to learn and traditionally he spent his learning doing ion and zoro but he realized that he wants to finish shot so he decided to join our sheriff exuberance he was he was scared it wouldn't be as geshmaq but this pleasant surprise that daf has taken over the second half of my morning saturday and i love it very much thank you for your time and teaching and clarifying the gemara so clearly i have a strong kesha with the niggersboard community in muncie i'm sorry don't ask but i was brought to it it was brought to my attention our good friend the rebecca son repeatedly of its was an avid md wire mdy if you don't know is miraculous that's our kabur it's called mdy i would like to donate 57 marath leela nishmat both my father aaron ben avram as well as matt our friend giddy loops was our uh in-house graphic designer and his nifter at a very young age from covet at the age of 40 something suddenly there's a snifter big tragic tragedy for mdy she's getting 57 tomorrow so we give out gamoras anybody that wants to try this year we'll give it a free article tomorrow and tonight we have art school gemara is here anybody who wants to try this year try it two three times don't try it if you don't want to get addicted to learning if you want to get addicted to learning try it because you will get addicted and the 57 tomorrow is a very nice donation please let me know where to make the check out to i'm not sure what time difference is south africa but either shabbat shalom okay and then there's one more from allah rosenthal because i was in medic way and i set my camera up there was a pool there's a you know the the water hole and the animals were coming all day long elephants and zebras and this and sometimes they had lines there i wasn't the light they said the lines come when people go on the game drive so i set my camera up it's going to be interesting for the people to see the animals go by three days in a row 45 minutes straight not a single animal came by as soon as i turned the camera off i'm not kidding 20 elephants came by and you know people in new york they've never seen this stuff i thought it would be interesting middle shear 20 elephants nothing so the guy writes here the gemara tells us about people learning so intense the fire appeared above and whenever they learn fiery angel is created maybe in the source of giving to thousands you have angels there keeping scaring the animals away the opposite i don't know what this guy's talking about especially those people should have been lions attacking zebras nothing who knows the occasion atlanta we don't see fine this is from the loss of rosenstein is another shot anyway let's get into the gemara real quickly if you haven't done the daf you're not into supers i'm telling you this is such a smacking every day it's thing after thing here fine welding the flame all the way at the top um [Music] like four lines down omelette rava so just a small review you might brought down a different soaking we're talking about the concept of kamale bitter outgreen if a person let's say kill somebody and while he kills somebody he rips their shirt or somebody does an avedo where he's high of misa can we also make him pay a class a fine could a person get the death penalty and pay money at the same time so the concept is calm malay with the remnant he only gets one out of the two and we give him the stronger one the water brings different sukim that seem to say the same idea so yesterday we had the gemara says well one of the sukim comes to teach us that if somebody kills somebody else on the way up he's potter so just show you the pausing maybe i can find it here there you know usually we're in the basement we have tv screens and we have a guy setting up the lighting and the cameras and there's a host over here we're on the road so it says in the past so the apple is a lotion of falling down it's a downward motion that's when you're high to go on goalless but if it's an upward motion you don't go to ghost the iguana says we don't even know how to do chewbacca like that you don't go to ghosts you don't go to your miklot which by the way was in today's power show yeah i make lot mainly die forget somebody else forget the thing doilong who did i forget oh i forgot i missed this good thing i stopped i have to stop and say you're not gonna believe this this is probably the first time ever that a rebbe and a rav flew in to see the sheer life so i want to say to be ellie and hillel ribhillo and his son ellie who uh bernstein who flew in from cape town on a rebbe salary to see this year live i was supposed to be in cape town here they are spread out you know what come over here get over here both of you i don't know if you'll fit in the camera thank you so much for coming come here ellie dip down here both of you say hello to the camera these two flew in from cape town how far is it two and a half hour flight two hour flight they flew in the wife how do you say wife the wife she she booked the tickets without telling them a surprise unbelievable thank [Applause] you unbelievable all right put the pressure on so says the gemara amelerov i don't need a possum to tell me this can i can learn this from somewhere else and we had this gemara if you're familiar with we learned this already so here's the puzzle and if you look here i don't know if you can see in red in the same positive we have umaki behemoth if you strike an animal you must pay it's a very interesting hackish hackish is when you have two words in the same posit two concepts in the same puzzle you can learn one from the other then it says if you kill a person you die so baekhis says something very interesting just like the first part of the puzzle says you pay no matter what in all situations if you kill your friend's animal it doesn't matter if you were sleeping if you had intent you didn't have intent if you're upwards downward striking amazing it doesn't matter you pay so too the reverse is true when you kill somebody you never pay no matter what they're going to kill you you might be miso or you might not be fighting me so but you never pay just like you always pay by an animal you never pay by a human being okay there's no difference whether you had intent or not famous kevin chambers cabin what's famous kevin we just said by the way just see you huh we just said shoig amazing so what's miss kavanaugh name is kevin mendy what's up miss kavin over here means that he had intent to kill another animal he was on a game drive in the safari he took out his gun and he was trying to shoot the lion and by mistake he shot a zebra they're both owned by medique it's all it's a whole of a family mishpach over there so he is doesn't matter if he was with the sword going downwards upwards then i showed you the passing rate of a japan le patriot mama in a highway moment no matter what he's hive when you kill a human being it doesn't matter whether it's striking amazing with whether you had intent to kill this man he killed that woman but there he reads my mind elephant my mama you're always potter from pain what happens to you is a different story they might kill you you never pay money for death [Music] so why do i need a special positive don't tell me that the plastic that was extra that we had on friday comes to teach you this idea of there's no difference in upwards downwards here it says mafoorish this pasta this hackish adam the hema that teaches us the idea of there's no difference between upwards and doubts if you blind your friend and you killed him through blinding him the scene is over what if he blinded his friend and at the same moment with another object he killed him you see his mom and she's trying to be making this positive come out he pokes him in the eye and cuts his neck all at the same time but it was at the same moment two two actions one was to the eye ones to the neck [Music] perhaps he'll take maybe okay so now he's dead he killed the guy so what happens when you kill somebody you hive miso so i think he also has to pay for the i i in as we know as you're gonna see means you have to pay you don't if you take somebody's eye out the tire says the eye for an eye we know that it's not an eye for an eye you pay for it but at the same time you also killed him says miso yeah i don't think so maybe he should also pay for the eye and also kill him that's why we need a deposit to say that in such a case not stammer i don't have that many jokes from south africa there was a schneider guy who's collecting money he says he's blind goes around the whole time with a stick blind so guy caught him reading the newspaper he says donov you're not blind you read the newspaper so i'm not i'm not reading the newspaper i'm just looking at the pictures okay something tomorrow these are the jokes mandy doesn't like he says right bendy it's a serious guy from south africa i told you it's a different different burrito forget it you his whole question was from bakers you're interesting i have another big skill that teaches me the same idea so it's very interesting first we have to understand shot how do we know this idea that it says before the torah an eye for an eye how do i know it's not an eye for an eye who said maybe it is an eye maybe you poke somebody's eye out they take it to bed then and they take a spoon and take your eye out it says in the tire so the mario darshan's it can't be why because by taking somebody's else up by taking an eye out you might kill him he only took somebody's eye out we can't put a person in a situation where he might die okay so that's what beijing says but at the same time we see this idea that we don't take a life and money from the one person you can't take both one allah we learn from here that it's i've heard i but another allah you can learn from here that it's not both you never you never punish him no so let's say he dies no you don't punish him okay they're trying to discuss that 100 to say great just as a side thing a lot of times i like to bring this up i'm not 100 familiar with this and i didn't like look it up on google in there you guys could do there's any doctors in the house that could correct me but the vilnigan said and he lived and you know we're talking about lit facts so the village is like the ultimate litvak he lived in lithu and the village said that the word ayan the i is is the letter i which is 70 and he says that the i has 70 muscles in it is that the only recently did they discover that there's really 70 muscles in the eye that's what they say okay when you give a guy a fine it's not logic logic dictates that if i destroy somebody's property that's worth a hundred dollars you pay a hundred dollars that you violate a woman and you have to pay 50 shekels make this a 50 shekel maybe it's 52 shekel maybe it's 39 so anytime there's a fine it's it doesn't it's not based on logic oh so it's not based on logic so anything that's in the torah i would think no not only do we take his life for killing somebody but he also has to pay fine but according to rabba this is not true because it's the opposite he holds the opposite heels you do pay a fight says [Music] is going to say this over here you have a chart it tells you the idea of erichen idea american is if a person says here we have a child we have a child and we have an adult we have all sorts of ages burn says er koi alai he points to that kid has the pacer in the mouth how much you go to the chart if he's a male he's offered he's more than five years old from five to twenty pay twenty second if he's 20 to 60 like this gentleman over here his 40s he pays 50 shekel what if a guy is about to be killed they're taking him out he's in the handcuffs and everything taking him out to the the the to be cycling and the guy looks at him says erica eli that we had a machis and that's what we learned from the puzzle that he's not at the end of the day at one time it says he has air he has airhead on him he's still he's still a zohar he's still 25 years old another no he's worthless because he's about to die that's what we learned from kokheir says the official mishnah let me find it the official mission is sponsored by maishikar we're always starting in the mishnah there's no need to wait to the beginning of a peric or we can start right here right now and baser shaman seven and a half years from now when you get the superstaff at the mishnah that's when you finish shas you don't have to start chas at brachas or shop er this is a big circle so it doesn't matter when you start start today narration is ourselves in this garage so it says like this in the past if a person violates and the posix says there's three conditions first of all she's a naira discuss in a second second of all she's absula she's still absolutely she's a virgin australia she wasn't engaged three conditions that's when amanda violates her pays 50 shuttle to the father so again we have the three conditions naira sula leyarosa what's a naira so from 0 to 12 years old is a katana naira is from 12 to 12 and a half provided that she has simone and from 12 and a half on she becomes a big guys she must be in order to be liable to this fine of being honest a woman she has to be in this narrow window of six months of narus but she also has to be absula in other words if she's a or or somebody had a relationship with somebody else beforehand nothing and also not engaged says the mishnah nairo shining cyrus of venezuela what if she was engaged she wasn't now she's not engaged why because she got engaged and she got divorced in those days it wasn't just an engagement like we have today in those days they did erosion was was was kidushin it was gave a ring and she became an asian fish a year later they do and they would have nissuen but the first part the first step of erisin is a very strong step so she got divorced from that so what's what's her status now she's she's absulo she's a naira and she was she has a broken engagement what is she does she fit into the third category of loyola doesn't matter today you're right she's divorced but since she was engaged for one minute that's it she's not in that category she does have a canas but something changes what changes until now her father got the knife why does he get the glass we don't understand why the tire says so since she got engaged that's it she gets a knack she's in that puzzle but she gets the canas so we have to remember this for a few minutes from now we're going to see where kevin says the opposite over here in the mission he says rebecca yes loch nas she has a knack and she gets it asking my time to everybody said glee lee what's the reasoning why shouldn't she get a canal she's not engaged now oh my croatia rosso she's not engaged her also ain't looking at if she was engaged at one point she loses her canaanites says glee you don't have these three things you have neither absolutely you don't have a lawyer she was engaged at one point that's it she lost it [Music] so you know you're right it does say the possibility russell russo but it doesn't mean she doesn't get a class at all it means that the father doesn't get it instead of the father she gets it also but if she was once a gage laughs when she gets it ask the gemara wait a minute that doesn't make any sense if what you're saying is true rebeco so say the same exact logic to the other two things tanira and sula she has to be a naira but if she's not a naira she's a boy guerra she's already 15 years old she gets a knack but she gets to keep it you don't say that she's no she's a begaris there's no class at all say the same thing for absula if she's absula then the father gets a knack if she's not absolute she gets to keep it no we don't say that the only time rebecca says it on the third thing if she was engaged at one point the only thing that changed she the father doesn't get it and she gets it that's not fair let's be consistent throughout the whole past like i'm naira soon as well talking tomorrow now people are going to tell me after this is the first time i'm doing this at the computer or showing and say oh we like the days they used to hold the piece of paper and show we don't like the big screens anymore mdy no no too bad don't even bother send me the email i don't care we're going back to the screens say that okay fine right and leon welcher used to send me paper from south africa fragrance because i only use the big giant one so cases okay i have a lot of cases now paper having these eight three paper nuts so come schmooze with me i got a guy whatever all right suggestion tells us that the only one that gets a can ass is a naira and you you understand from the puzzle that once she's older she's bigger she doesn't get this but that the father doesn't get it and she should get it the same way you learned to put the word awesome the same thing is we understand that if she's not absolute the maybe it means that the guy still has to pay the 50 but she gets it [Music] you're saying that no she doesn't get anything at all so also when she gets engaged it shouldn't be anything at all not even to herself oh without her kivo hi lori rosso me burleigh yeah so that's what we said until now the basic leader says that if she was engaged there's no class at all we will keep having us and check this out look what kevin says here remember the mishnah the mission says unbelievable why would he say such a thing it's different than what the mission says the father gets to know us and he even goes on to explain the brexit explains vadim it makes a lot of sense because since the father if he marries off his young daughter he takes any any money that the the husband gives her he takes for himself but via zaka because he can also and the father also gets the fifty macca's in the chat mission science is scottish lavio what if this girl she got engaged broke the engagement got engaged again the father keeps on collecting the conduction money even the second time afghanistan can also have vision in his eyes and his gosh olivia so too the father should receive the money of a cannas no matter how many times she got engaged and got divorced and engagement she could he should continue getting it so says ramikiva in the bryce right in the mishnah he said different mk mata imaginary so then why if there's no difference according to akiva does it make a difference if this girl got engaged no even if she got engaged and broke the engagement nothing changes before the father got the canaanites and after engagement she he continues to get the cast so then why in the world does the terrorists say she's not engaged who cares it doesn't even make a difference you're right it's not there to teach us anything but to make auxiliary to make a hackish vlog it says these words that's what we call ash explains this is means anytime you have example you have a word here and a word somewhere else in the torah and they're the same exact word we had the other day they mean the same thing we have a shotgun in the background but we have it either better than that it means the same idea of haka fi but if you have the same word in two different places and one of them is completely extra we don't need it at all that's a very strong zero shelby can't break it so by we have the two everybody knows me a woman was violated and a woman who was seduced both of them get a kunas of 50 but how do we know so he's learning from xavier but from the extra word also cents what what do we have here 50 rand how do you know it's kasib you know serious amount of money from this exercise from any one of the three words why did he pick lawyer rasa word and what do we learn from the word sula to say literally she has to be absolute and not abula turning to that very sponsored by my horn in honor of zach the rock you know what i forgot to do all the sponsorships when the is over i'll do it and then maybe i'll put it in the beginning lenny learner cpa and yankel ko and official mdy msp and hoodie newman in honor of ellie that's me whoever didn't hear the share you'll fall for this the real greatest jewish basketball player who ever lived that's not me i mean he thought it whatever he's joking around you guys spent 1600 to make fun of me it's fine hey mobsula shovel why are you taking the word sula and and being literal about it and saying she has to be absurd if she's a bullet there's no class use the word pseudo for xarishava and say that the word i share lawyer russell she wasn't engaged that's literal who told her of akiva what to be literal with we have three words naira sula loiroso he decided rebecchivo that larry russell is the tyre is not serious about it she could be engaged not engaged and we needed for something else for exercise maybe the terror wasn't serious about the word sula oh maybe the thought wasn't serious about the word naira maybe she could be 15 years old 35 years old and she's still gonna connect why those two words are you serious about and not lawyer russell bacheler also probably never should assassinate his guys be literal la sherlock tells me that she can't be engaged and if she was engaged and she got divorced there's no questions at all is better to say this about exercise because look at the end of the day we have two things going for her she's a naira and she's absolute so who cares if she was engaged or not she said about adorable soul exercise no who told me that makes sense maybe sula is extra and we're gonna use that for example show any choir bashola russell it's more important that she should be not engaged and she should be a naira rather than should be absula in an ira now if i if i if i were to ask you you were giving out fines what makes more sense to you logically which woman deserves a fine so to speak more than the other a woman who is absolutely or a woman who was never engaged who would you give a fine to think about it so we we learned and it sounds absurd especially here in south africa i've got to be careful with this i'm saying exactly i don't know it's listening but there is a slave market and sometimes ignore tells us that we won't close things i bought them okay just in case uh was joking fine sometimes the avid is a is a good habit and the master wants to give him a shivka so he goes politician what is he going to give him he's going to give him absula that has more value than kvar tells us it's like that it's a woman that was engaged sometimes yeah there's a little bit of a sign she broke an engagement broken engagement but not not so much maybe for an evident he doesn't care so much broken age that broke engagement but absolutely he's very mad so in mello it makes a little bit more sense logically that if the tarot says that one of the two gets announced i would say it means that she's absula rather than she was never engaged says something changed in her body there's a physical change you could see it and absolute so it may love she doesn't have absulum she loses the knots such a woman doesn't get asked but a woman was engaged you know there's no nothing physical if somebody didn't tell you you would never know so maybe that woman doesn't get a knocks it does get a class [Music] this idea of 50 kessa we just said we're learning exact shava rakiva uses a lawyer also he says completely extra right according to it doesn't matter if she was engaged not engaged she was engaged 25 times broke all her engagements and somebody is my honest her she gets a full class so then why is the turtle say lawyer also she wasn't engaged ah the third just uses those words for xavier shaw to say that she gets 50 kessaf but has ruby i said you know that naf we had it a number of times in this maserta i will show you this chart maybe it'll refresh your memory i don't know if you can see everybody's i'm sorry if you don't see you can see the stup sukum top one is by mafata by somebody that seduces a woman bottom one is by the inus he violates her without permission in the tap it says in read so we don't check and it says kim your absolus by the witness it says 50. now we don't know 50 watt it could be 50 pruta it could be 50 shekel it could be 50 anything so kumara says we learn one from the other organisms have something in common and therefore we learn one from the other we also don't know how much shekel the mafata gives there's no number it says it has to be chateau it could be 10 20 30. but that it says bionus so we learn one from the other and the other from the one in other words we learn 50 from minus and we learn czecho from a facto and we use both pieces of information for both there's a lot of similarities between us and the father says he doesn't need rebecca of lawyers he says he learns it from it's 50. and the story and we had a number of times in this afternoon absolutely super absolutely you should be like my father my father should be like fine the bottom line is casually how in the world do you reconcile this bryce saw the the mission that says mufourish who gets the class of a woman who is engaged according to rekiva she yourself gets it that's what changes the father no longer gets jesus and then we learn in the bride so it's not true or keeper says and he also goes on to explain why it makes sense logically that the father remains and he gets it all the time the the woman never gets sickness so what do we do with this it's a big contradiction see the gemara we have nothing to do it's contradiction like that we're stuck trey tanoy valida akiva you're right it's two talmudin one heard this way the other hair that way they're both going in revekiva that's the best we could do we don't have a good shot a good a good way to work out of this contradiction it has to be to tell me though says gemara okay i'll roll with that for now but bishop nissan i like i understand very well the mishna that what that the father does not get the canas if she gets engaged something changes if a woman gets engaged something changes what changes not that she doesn't get a class at all she get there is a knack regarding this is no class at all that's what changes that's a major change but according to keeping the mishna what changes that the father doesn't get it now the woman gets it that makes a lot of sense is the gemara lyrics chavo mafia lily chrome and shot like gambling very good there's a good shovel rosso and we learned from there that it's 50 sheckle but the way you're learning it in the bryson the the simple words of the pasta don't make any sense it says that the woman has to be a naira she has to be absula and she was never engaged the bryson completely ignores the words lay rasa for the same price the puzzle could have said a donkey i don't know what it's not a random word it says in the in the positive she's not engaged you have to you have to it has to mean something it has to mean something does according to the mission it means a lot if she was engaged something changes the the father doesn't get it the woman gets it so that's what the target says larry russo plus this is xavier and it's muffina rash she keeps on saying it's mufona even though we learned something from it but according to her give her the bright so nothing changes before she was engaged the father gets the canas after she was engaged and she broke the engagement the father gets ignosed so then why in the world does the tires say lawyer rosso um the simple meaning of the possum is completely lost according to the bryson says gimmar is not lost it says with a sin you say with the summer that what it means that she's not engaged today it's very important that she's not engaged today if somebody violated her while she's engaged there's no finesse now as i explained before if she's engaged it's not a joke it's not like today engaged over there she becomes an asian sish if she's misana miso she's literally married in a way it's a half marriage so what happens if a guy violates a woman who is engaged in the time of the gemara does he pay a nice or not no why come lay but they're having a name we have to kill him we have to put him to death for violating a married woman there's no canaanites in that case so how can you tell me that the word i shared lawyer rasa is coming to exclude a woman who is engaged of course she he doesn't pick nas says gemara rusev i don't know if it's possible that they lower it down over there because because i don't have a good recording says the gemara no that's why i had this mic but it's not working and whatever okay ashley herroso arrusa vasquille you suck at me two more minutes with that don't worry about it once again the whole idea of it's not logic it's a it's a special concept i've got the viktor mashallah so i think yes you're right this guy he violated a married woman and naruso not married but she's an engaged woman an engaged woman in his highest miso nevertheless i still think that he has to pay can ask why it's the base five because the whole idea of fine is and when it comes to hidden you can there's no comment with the rabbi with the kids same thing we had it earlier [Music] must agree to the better shot that we thought the shot that made more sense to us that what that the pasik is not completely out there means something to us that was that if she was engaged something changes that what the father no longer is entitled to the canaanites now that the canaanites goes directly to the girl can i sell me who gets the canas what is going on here look at this says this violator guy he has to give la via naira it's a red it's not foreign there's no there's obviously nothing a simple word the father gets the class and the story commission alicia he has to marry her if she wants to marry this violator guy he has to marry her he could never let her go says gemara via via she gets the canas it's a pasuk that the father gets it how in the world could you say ghoster no we're talking about our case that we discussed until now she received a ring from somebody she was a russo then she broke that engagement now you can't just break an engagement you have to give it a get right it's it's serious engagement so because i'm having you remove the right keyboard and my that's exactly our sugiyah according to ramaki now mishna she is entitled to the to the to the class that's exactly what we're saying she gets the class when if she was engaged before and she broke the engagement all right bye [Music] listen to this a guy violates a woman he's higher 50 shackle before he has a chance to give her the 50 shotgun he sends a hit man the killer up so now he gained something what he doesn't have to pay the 50 shekel anymore why because she's dead how do we know this oh you don't pay to somebody that's dead says gemara mills this idea this if she dies does the violator still have to pay the father it was not so simple to ravel about it just says it as if it's a push at the thing rob had a big question the boy rubble and we might repeat this tomorrow but we'll just read it until we get to the bottom dubai rava yes beg your bequeather or a beggar because smack could a person mature in their grave in other words this girl she's violated when she's 12 years old and now she's entitled to canaanites then she dies and until they bring the violator to bezel and they hire him for everything he did she dies does she mature and become a bagueres in the grave we'll say okay now she's not and she's not 12 years old anymore now she's 13. took a whole year and you know how the court systems go until you come go now he doesn't have to pay her anymore maybe there's a baby but maybe she maybe still has to pay to the irish to the son or dylan beverly kevin with the vrv i think amara's going to ask how in the world does she have a kid she's only 12 years old twelve and a half years old how does you have a kid and that's tamar sugiya rabbi sai have a wonderful evening he's glad for having me a good devoc thank you very much thanks to the host thanks to to leon and everybody else thanks to of course mendy the tougher mago man you