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all right good morning rabai I don't care where we are we're in the Epic Center of Corona covid I'm the only one in the Su without a mask I hope unbelievable we're in IR KES B Park transmitting live say want to see the we are going to show the Su in a second uh we just got back from M unbelievable turnout of M we had people from all over the place actually Doby Spitzer drove in 2 hours from Lakewood the Mac brothers from pic who else Dr list house from Allentown 2 hours to get to M it was beautiful beautiful uh turnout yall see Klein from Superior Plumbing and the guy's a celebrity M people uh they're doing new construction there just to get their Plumbing done byi it's like you have to wait months to get him so it was it was beautiful beautiful turnout this is like a whole they put me on a stage they this is rebish reabo M you got to see here maybe I'll let me show you what's going on here for a second real quickly this is our friend is Goldstein of CRS everybody the whole Al is here it's unbelievable okay we even have a Israel Shalit otherwise known as Shalit and Joey say hello to the and we're in ahoka we're outdoors in ahoka so they say it's not really outdoor but it's blowing like you'll see soon that it's pretty Outdoors is she okay so tonight share sponsor L rasai dedicated by son alwani look at this that's him from the party rental store from Brooklyn party rental in honor of finally meeting the most clear enjoyable entertaining inspiring rough Ellie you changed my life the gamor says that those are his those blonde children the gamar says where is he I changed your life for real you want to get up and say why that's a different time okay no a different time I don't want to put him on the spot tonight's cheer is sponsored by a very very quiet individual you probably have never heard his voice especially if you're on Zoom you'll never hear the guys in barbike love you Alby wow look at that is speing in the background unbelievable okay it's a lot better than like some other non-jewish actor or something okay I love it all right in honor of the birth of Yi nagler's son yesterday Mand so if you ever want to go on Zoom before the share starts you'll be entertained by AI he's the voice of Zoom sponsored by Jonathan Alin in honor of my birthday you could honor yourself also you don't have to wait for your wife's birthday and in honor of my birthday today wishing my parents wife and children much health and continue also wishing Z and all of all all right you got this galic uh quick email because I grew up just a few blocks away from here in ER KES Kensington we're not going to say I didn't grow up in bar Park I did I told you I lived in bar park for one night one night my father moved from farak to Bar Park I don't know what happened we could ask him and they packed everything up and moved back to farak for a few years my brother he just built a house literally a few houses away from where we grew up on Sage Street so very very interesting it's telling me I need to uh restart my computer I hope it doesn't restart in Middle all right so deell this is from Mo she wrote me this email a while ago but he just had a baby yesterday so we'll read his email real quickly first of all thank you so much for being an amazing Shear I was imagining doing the da with the ma by myself a few people wrote in about you remember with Ma and just recent it was the day that I had to do three sh so that was also very interesting how long would it take me to figure out just the what you did was amazing somehow making everyone come out with an understanding of The Da like to humbly argue with the relli from Chicago who says you don't need to understand the G if you doing that no that's I said a joke I said uh don't let the get in get in the way of The Da that was like if people in Chicago because Chicago they have a lot of interesting questions I think you noticed so if I didn't have a like a good answer for them on this spot don't let the get in the way in the let's go V there all right um make sure we do understand it then he goes v over there a couple days ago we learned and oh there's a whole oh he's saying about um that everybody gives the other one the Talis that's why and this is so true for the she the the that everyone has for each other it's unbelievable seriously tonight I M feel like I know you guys it's unbelievable it's unreal and by the way no I'm your big celebrity here don't SP yeah yeah the is talking they want you to come back for for round two all right um oh so it says like this feelings are mutual the feelings are mutual okay thank you I have an older single sister I decided you know somebody came over to me and said we should do an initiative a initiative we have here's here's someone with a single sister we have a bunch of guys should try to make mdy why not newai Mark Steinberg needs son uh Rabbi Pressman the guy that presses me to do the has an amazing son so here I have an older single sister I decided to make what's I grew first I'm not on the mdy chat but I asked someone to post it on the chat he could have said no you're not on the chat but he didn't rather posted and some people actually joined people I never spoke to not only not only that but one of them asked me what is she looking for trying to help again someone I never spoke to before really she is a replica of yourself the only reason why this year is so much he gives me a little covet here thank you and may we only see Sim and then sure enough he had a baby girl yesterday so we said we had a Sim everybody should have Yeshua all righta you guys ready da today starting for two lines from the bottom uh oh I better drink this before the bugs get in here that was close hold on this guy likes fancy wine okay I already made a leev I made a LV everybody's worried about the leev according to the gr according to gr you make a LV every time you go into the no matter what yesterday we were talking about ladders what what does a ladder function as is a ladder since it gives you the ability to climb a wall so do we look at the wall as if it doesn't exist just get right over the wall or no you have a wall so the say it depends what you want to use it for you decide if it's you use says say that you have a and you have little porch they have these kind of buildings I don't know if yeah here probably in bar Park I don't know if they have it really but you have like exterior doors you have it in apartment buildings in Chicago definitely have it in in the midwest a lot of these it's cheaper to to run because you don't have to like whatever so you have a staircase here and you have a porch up here this is M and here's theer down here is the from K this is every picture is the same color off we're going to get somebody to fix it maybe somebody actually could mess around now while we're the green doesn't work I don't know why can't can't can't get green to work fine so if you have a hey you have AES and what do you have over here you have a staircase well call that a a ladder why not they forgot they didn't make an aov meaning they made an a of for themselves the meses guys made an AO the guy made a they didn't make one General ER for them for all of them together so he spoke about a Daka yesterday it's unbelievable learning all these new Concepts and shots things we never knew about before there something called a Daka it's like a low wall you may be you might even be able to like climb over it here I put it in red just help out the col did it but I couldn't see it clear little guy over here so if you have a d anyway s so then the guys on top don't bother the guys on the bottom the guys on the bottom don't bother the guys on top CU they're separated look they have a little wall called a Dak this separates them but if there's no D wait a minute what's the or what's going on here because since they have access to each other and they didn't create an A in order for people to carry from one place to the other you have all have to have a there's no here so it's as if one of the guys in theer didn't make an a they all live together so what do you see that this ladder this staircase is ruining for us you don't pick and choose like said says if I want to use the ladder and consider it a p it's a PES if it's not a p now all of a sudden I don't have the choice I don't know if I have a picture didn't bother printing it but the point is that this is lower down than T and therefore what therefore it's all considered one it's one thees and the are one because they with of each other so forget about the ladder even without a lad ladder they're one because they're within 10 if they one R they ruin it for each other since they don't have one AR they ruin it for each other the upper guy ruin for the lower guys and lower guys ruin for the upper guys so then what good is this wall this little daaka wall says okay another case so also but also look at this here's a that has a nice railing going on and over here you have an opening up until up till 10 the the so this opening would ruin it for us would create access from one to the other but now that I put the daa up over here the daa down here therefore it closes it off and the upper and the lower are two entities say you could ask questions as long as it's better questions than we're not going to mention I mean y all ask really good questions but the rest of the over there is whatever they're not used to I'm telling you Chicago is a different city 7:00 all the restaurants closed down everything's closed you can't get food so they're not used to being up after 8:00 so the guys that came were mikim fine what if you pasted you planted a bunch of ladders up against the wall like in this picture over here you have more than 10 more than 10 it's considered a so you don't we don't look at it as breaching and able to climb over and able to do it's considered it's consider the walls still exist forget the ladds when he was in The Wine Press wine really say that a ladder is not considered a opening I don't care that I could climb over so this is every mag's dream couple of lines freebies we're just repeating we doing you have the case where the guys in the top made the guys in the B made but they didn't make an a together they forgot if it is little wall then they don't on each other but if not they are a what about the Sul you have a sulam here now you're telling me a second ago you said a sulam is it's considered a wall so if this staircase is a wall they're not connected you're telling me it's not a wall you're telling me that it's axis I could get up to the top from it it's my it's like they one to so which one is it says it's good to have now we're understanding it better the is lower than 10 from therefore it's one foret the it's one without the says so what what what do you gain by having a little wall there says it's wide open we had it in the beginning of remember the wall wide open there's a breach in the wall there's a breach in the in the railing and maybe that would create between the upper level and the lower level since you put that red little wall is now they are very very different fine we have the privilege right here in this gor the gar is going to take us on a little trip through a b his head usually doesn't happen the whole back is how he thinks how B thinking back and forth maybe like no maybe it's like that M the whole it's unbelievable it's a privilege says people from the city of they came to the re give us somebody that can make an AR in our city you're the perfect guy for that place make sure they you do a perfect job and they don't come with ESS later on all it was interesting this morning I I was learning Mya on the phone and I I said I can't I I remember we just had something like that that the he said do it and he said yeah look on the side it says now it's very embarrassing every time it's I don't remember I did it 40 times garnished couldn't and then he started he started telling me the m is word for word and then it start coming back yeah there similar Su over there where the rebit told the do it for the city it was a it was a Zat and he tried to do it one way but he messed up at the end he thought he's going to get away with it and they came yelling at him so over here thear says be careful I don't want any titness later make them give them an a of that even the briskers are going to use so he noticed that there's houses up against the river maybe I should put this over here it's Mish nice and windy the corona is not here so here's the city and here A bunch of h two houses their accesses to the river but guess what they're locked out of the city they can't get back into the city they have no way to get in you see houses on the river but not going to the city so now AB think himself like this we have a city and we learned if there's aab him in a city you have to make sure to make a Hecker in the city don't do an eror for the entire city you have to leave a little bit on the side that that doesn't have an arrow so people remember the that will be the not of a that should be the leftover the what we put on the side as a Hecker here here he goes he starts now in his head says by it himself says in the Mish that you shouldn't make an AR for all the houses in the city very simple de don't make an error for every single house in the city meaning if I want to how I can but don't oh but these houses I can't make an a of how can I make how can I include these two houses these vacation H with the view of the ocean together with this this neb City over here how they're not connected look they're locked out here's the wall of the city he makes a nice little picture here and here they're they're in their own little going on here what what's the how can I make an AR of here that will work for them says a in his head let me make them some windows I'm knock on the door and say you have to make Windows because I need you to be able to be y through my and I'm not gonna include you why because R said so says you do we even had what it was a while ago we had R said line up in the desert I think it was no whatever says goes so I have this mansion on the water I'm all excited comes a b knocks on my door you need to open up Windows this way towards the city why you gain zero out of it you're not going to have an AR but in order for the city to gain and then I'm going to exclude you I'm going to make an AR in the whole city exclude you you have the right of passage into the city because you have Windows oh he's going back it's unbelievable he says no it doesn't work why you don't need Windows you guys are going to remember this I'm going to show you the picture you'll remember the su he made an Arab in the whole city of M and in the city of M were these large pits that people used to throw their date pits into so that the the axent could eat that M gas stations throughout the entire city over there we're discussing I I took this picture from what I had back then and it still had the red lines on it ker they they closed off the doors I don't know what we're talking about back then now we're talking about something else he made every one of these you see these are m one two three each one is a and something very interesting in this picture I didn't notice back then but the brings it up here he said each each part of the city is going to make their own ar oh what then today we're saying you looked at the before different huh I thought we learned only one learned the she already he learned the Uncle Phil says no he gave you the thumbs down all right fine so each each uh little neighborhood over here made their own a of why because when I make an AR of here nobody's going to get confused there's a she over here these guys are left out of it and when I make AR over here these guys are left it ker it works out now that would be funny if it rains on us no is it's not supposed to rain okay because it was raining in mon where where were we it was raining in farak was raining okay fine um the even if they wanted to make one giant AR together isn't that the same case as us you have this this two little mansions on the on the water who cannot make an AR with the rest of the city and ab thought it was a problem he said open up Windows you don't need that they should be able to make that's a sheer these guys The Mansions are a sheer and the big city is a sheer and that's it that's the Hecker that didn't make error for the two houses then he's thinking to himself he says no not a good R from in there was a way to make an a for everybody together because they had bridges that went right over these pits you see how beautiful K did here it's another $10,000 picture I'm saying the book cost him a million doll you have to make a how much each picture cost him it's in the thousands each picture is in the thousands here are the bridges so M can make a but by us in our case where the Mansions are on the on the water they have no access to the big city there's no Bridge therefore I need to make Windows I didn't count how many times he's going back and forth there but it's amazing says himself no not true I don't need I don't need Windows this is the name of the year I think his name isisa okay so if anybody has a A gatel or Sprint whatever that complain about the name it's not it's not like Pisa but Pisa what's your name my name isaa on the side they they took away the whole fun they said maybe his name is bar fine we we're going to ignore the side for now because it's gaval name so Pisa had a storage facility for his wheat and they used even though it's not a residence it's not some place you live in it's just for wheat they used it as a sh they said this is a great Hecker for the entire Pisa we are going to make an ARA in Pisa and we're going to leave out the silo on the side and that's the Hecker for everybody to know that the a that that this is a oh now I understand what R told me be careful that they don't come to yell at me tus says I mean you could say different tus holds that theat is I almost made them create Windows in their Mansions ruin their walls [Laughter] oh Bo say you got to see this hold on here turn this around the B balab [ __ ] it's all about the Y that's a pretty mask for such a big giant yellow suit dress sh all right it's all you know what if you if I knew that you were wearing that I could have worn my uh Cafe Bella pajamas to this year all right pour him pour him yeah so yeah it makes sense be care make sure that you don't cause damage to their houses that they come yelling at me says it says so if you have a city according to Rashi 600,000 people go through the city you can't make a ara for the entire city you have to leave 50 houses on the side like like a new city but it doesn't mean new city says the there was actually a city by the name and there was 50 residents all types of people all types I'm saying that because well obviously the part but maybe not maybe are not included that's the sh you get the joke that that was the the um what's the word this bar I don't know if I'll get the word but you know that's the um sample city that is the the what prototypical prototypical bar Park you see the fancier words that you guys came up with no okay fine that's a good one prototypical that was a prototypical city you want to you go based on that City you say kadha not new but kadha the city of 50 people on the side over there in Yehuda and that's it great I got it oh yeah that was the word that was the word I was looking for yeah that was the model yeah thanks no they came up with it so what did you get it off the chat yeah yeah here okay yeah I actually that was the word thank you it's very annoying when the word doesn't come you know okay the model that's the model City but a Le is the one that came with prototypical and I want to thank him in front of the he's the one he's the brainstorm of the C idea of shabas which was off the charts everybody grees off the charts maybe 500 locations I don't know it wasn't a 100 there's 500 well there's 500 people on zoom and YouTube at the same time so it could be there were people within the locations but anyways many many locations was a beautiful beautiful idea and uh we have to now you have to up it for aan we only have what we have 40 something days left all right uh so now what if the city has 50 people so what what about K it's the she for the larger City so could you carry what do you do over there says the just like it uses it's a per purpose is to be the Hecker for the large city I mean we just said that over here that's the same case in each one of these m is a Shear for the next M so they they help each other I help you I'm the sheer for you I'm the Hecker for you you're the heck for me says the that wasn't the question K what if you don't have a large city next to you you're only a small tiny City with 50 people what do you do then even though it's only 50 residence it's a small little Community it's a developing Community you need to leave one or two guys on the outside no you can't be part of the AR unfortunately and the other one says you don't need a Shear we don't know exactly who says what so says you don't need 50 people don't exclude 50 people all you need is they have three Courtyards and every Courtyard as we know gar time every Courtyard had two houses attached to the Courtyard that's you don't need 50 people to exclude just exclude three Courtyards I argue on I say one that has one house exclude one person not 50 says so I just jumped but understood is without a house what's a without a house going to help me it's without a person okay we're talking about a house one house did he make it up himself his own logic or he got it be he got it he got ITA from somebody he learned it what's the difference we know that we said we pass so who cares what got it he got it from a from a or he made it up it's not we're not passing we're going you need three not one says what do you mean what's I should just learn like a song and not know what's going on I want to know the is behind everything says over on the side that is actually okay he got it he got it says the mishna what are we doing on time I don't have a clock what 47 oh 47 guy was standing in the M that's the simple in in the you're standing in the in the East he tells he tells his son I needed to go set me an AR on the west or he was in go to the other side what if he could reach his house 2,000 that's because even though he wanted to set an a we don't say that his house is bottle he already said okay um should probably cover this if you wanted to be kosher CU a lot of lot of these uh drink it at your own risk cuz in my cff just that one cff there's like three three different flies not anymore oh yeah it's in my cup you see biter all right says the m so right we had we had a su like that that you once you decide that my area is that way then you're ready you're you don't care anymore about what's going on behind you Jo sh good how you doing Los Angeles where are you beautiful all right if he can reach his house great and his a is passed it's further away so he could go he can go home but he can't go to what if what if it's the opposite he's able to reach his but he can't reach is home it's more than 2,000 you put your aov in the outskirts of the city past the wall of the city but there's another house there's a high skill over there now the house if it's within 70 723 is part of the city so anyways regardless of where the a is going to start from that house on what does this do he puts his a closer to the wall than the house it's not past the house so did he gain anything zero because anyways he has 2,000 from that littlea and on so what what what is he putting a what what good if I put a in my house do I gain anything no I could go for my house 2000 anyway so he puts the a by the wall of the city I could go 2,000 ammo so this is I it's the same difference the the houses that are on the outskirts of the city are part of the city now if he put his even one pass the he shifts his AR over I'll explain in a second but we just turned sponsored by Mark Steinberg who in his will do we start a initiative we'll get some names together will get together no has a lot of girls and has a lot of boys we'll get we'll get something going B right you guys are going to help no okay a will come up with a whole uh plan and it'll be galic send me their res send on the resumes he's working on a big one RAB say he's working on a big one I know Trump will be proud of this one and by Anonymous for his family to be hard theace process that smus smel come here come here we got to give a at least a Corona afterwards okay fine where' you come from Far Far you just flew in from somewhere all right I go through this I go through this every year by the way he he mumbles something from the back and he expects me to understand okay falic he's at by the way I'm not kidding I'm not making this up we're in the Lincoln Tunnel in the Lincoln Tunnel he looks at me I think you have to take over I'm like here in the Lincoln Tunnel I'm not exaggerating he gets out of the Lincoln Tunnel he pulls over take over it's like didn't you come from my to drive me I became his driver finished I Dr I'm not joking I drove from the Lincoln Tunnel here but he he has something to say from the door come Yeshua what are you anyway I wanted to do something with this but nothing happened this was supposed to be green by the way it turned out blue if this is my aov this is my Mo and I move my aov nothing happens I just shifted where am iow to go I'm allow to go 2,000 this way 2,000 this way but the amount of amama that I have are the same the a of all it does is it says I'm not I don't live over here I live over here okay so now I can go 2,000 amama on that direction that but it's all I'm doing is I'm shifting so that's a simple understanding what I what I what I gain on one side I'm going to lose on the other side I won't be able to go those arms on the other side but we'll see the a little bit more says let's just understand the plle understanding the mishna are we talking about that his house is between him and the AR so he is to the east of his house or he is to the west of his house but his house is always separating him and the a says that doesn't make sense I could understand that he's too far away to get to Z but he's close enough to get this house because he's this house is always between him and the aov so it's always possible to get to the house before you get to the aov but how do you get to the a before you get to the house if the house is between him and the doesn't make sense says thear yeah you still that the first year okay good basically his house is block you need to tell me now is your turn say that's not how he explained it so basically his house is block his house is not blocking him his house is in the middle here he can't get without oh actually if I have a picture why not show it the gar the stands here's his house he's in the Mis his a is in the or he's in the and his is in but his house is always in between the two so I understand that he could walk to his house his house is closer but how in the world could he get to his Arrow before he gets to his house if this house is always in between block and call it whatever you want says the I understand you get to your house how's it possible say no you didn't understand what is we're not talking about the house it's not that the house is in between him and he's just to the East and the west of his son and his son could place the aov any direction he wants so his son placed the aov where the a closer than his house his some place the a where the a is further away from his house fine so that's just simple understanding of the words in the mishna you know you know what he is to the East and the west of the house the house is oh this is insane the showing up imagine you sitting in Suka and you sister from Florida shows up and your uncle from from m m it's unbelievable it's unreal mam I'm serious I I'm touched I'm touched I just mentioned says this is that's why it said okay fine so what's R's Trick R has a little trick he says no you know what the house is you the house is we're talking about the house the house is to your East the house is to your West but it's on an angle it's a triangle and it's possible that you are closer to your a to let's say this is 2,000 Amo but this is 3,000 Amo and the house is to your East or the house is to your West whatever that's his that's his little the point is that we m is not referring to son it's like the PES of the mish how you would read it m is referring to his relationship to his house and his house is always either to the m or to the but it's possible that his even though his house is M he's closer to the a than he is to the house okay it's on an angle we just have to fix this up a little bit he didn't put his AR out of the because if you put something out of the you can never get to it it's of the you don't have the right to go there you put it right outside of the city limit outside past those houses that you have on the city limit just explains that last piece of the mishna yeah four armas yeah yeah four your body has is counted as four that's what we said you start the 2,000 am pass your four little box according to you have two maybe no no so when you place your a of whatever you gain on one side you lose says so let's say I gain an I don't lose more than that if I place our you place the a right outside the wall of the city but it's within 70 am of the city let's say it's within where you have those houses and if you place it outside of the past 70 and two3 you put one Amo you gain one in that direction you lose the entire city why let's see if I have a picture picture here the point is I remember doing something here let's see if this is good just one second I don't know maybe not so okay here show it to you anyway this is this is from the art scroll from uh M heritance Foundation I haven't used them in a long time we have but I I colored it a little bit so maybe it's not from AR school okay the ideas from the AR scho this is the city right over here it's 400 Amo let's call it you put your to this side of the city so the person's goes 2,000 in this direction you get all the way to here and 2,000 in this direction so you get 1,000 here and 1,000 here this city we're going to see in a second doesn't count as anything that's four amas now if you're in the city itself you get 2,000 amama this way and 2,000 amama this way so what thear is saying over here now is that you lose the city you don't gain the the length of the city because of because you stepped out of bounds you stepped out since you went out of the city you don't gain you don't have anything in the city itself we're going to understand this in a second he can't use the whole city as can't he can't walk it what's going on here if you okay if your 2,000 Amo ends smack in middle of a city this is where it ends so when you get to your 2,000 Amo that's it you can't go anymore but if your city is swallowed in it's within the 2,000 amama then we don't count your entire city at all then your city is considered four amas so in this picture right over here since it's a small City we don't count it Soo you go past you go your 2,000 from the aov doesn't include the city you see you get 1,000 amama plus 1,000 amama plus 400 amama the city is 400 Amma wide but we don't count the city why because the city is within your 2000 amama here's the a if you count 2000 amama the city is included in that 2000 amama so then I don't consider anything the city's only four amas it's garnished kilo the 400 turns into four so I go from here 2,000 ignore the city this case this is a giant City so the city is not included in 2 it can't fit in the 2000 amama SOI stop short of where my a my 2000 amama stops and I don't get to to to take my city and condense it into for ammo you hear small there's no maximum size whatever fits in 2000 up to 2000 if your city fits in the 200000 poof it gets nothing then you start from the outside of the city every city every city you start from the outside of the city you start from the walls of the city but you're not in the wall you're not in the city so you can't start from the walls you're already outside of the city so may what do I do with the city how do I look at the city if the city fits in within your 2,000 Amo then I condense it I make it into for but if your city is very large then I have to stop short which is a very interesting Al we'll see a little bit more of it tomorrow the whole city no up until this point look I made a little line here I enlarged line see up to here Shalom you cannot go V this is within your 2000 here's the a you go 2,000 Amo when you hit 2,000 am stop Short Stop short why cuz it's a large city you get the on the other side the7 you get no you get 2,000 on the other side you get 2,000 this way count ah you mean does is the 70 amama here the eore and all that okay too complicated of K what how what time is it 104 uh it's Shak time in in okay fine we're almost done here this is a if he was measuring and he got his 200000 middle of a city he can't include the whole city in his but if the 2000 reaches to the end of the city then you shrink the entire city into and he gains tremendous from there on he finishes the rest the 2000 we don't count anything in the city as part of his 2,000 let's do two more lines now how do you understand what does this mean if you just reading the words in other words it sounds like a gai like he made it up what do would he come up with such a thing however says it's literally that he did get ites it's not making fun it's actually a something like this you get you can't make it up yourself logically speaking it makes no sense unless he Tak got it from the himself he got a a r that told him to to that this ISAT but common sense it's not why would I make a difference between if you you you finish in middle of a city you finish at the end of the city why would I condense a giant City and make it into nothing on the one hand and not do it on the other hand Raba have a wonderful wonderful day one minute what are we doing tomorrow I have no idea we'll talk about it after uh shales let's do shales for a second the boys have one good [ __ ] one good [ __ ] in bar Park what are we going to sing no no good [ __ ] I said