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Daf Yomi Chullin Daf 23 by R' Eli Stefansky
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Amen.
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>> A good walk up Wilson.
Finish my mirror
welcome welcome.
How's everybody Yom Tov?
Smart.
We had children here.
On Yom Tov itself was unbelievable.
People came Shamshi walked over an hour
uphill they said it's all uphill getting
here no?
Both ways.
>> [laughter]
>> Both ways.
You should go out for all those who
walked in all the way from Gimel and
from all different places.
Should go out. You should go out to Gary
who organized the food. I don't know who
else did I know I did.
>> [applause]
>> Beautiful spread mom it's good stuff
good stuff. There was par of there was
par of ice coffee I mean it was regular
what?
Par of it. Right in in Hebrew it's par
of it.
All right so you should go out you
should go out to all the guests shalom
aleichem.
It's a new a new a new man.
The voice says so this is day one of
Morocco somebody as I was walking here
and I was trying to think of what to say
so this guy comes over to me is hacking
me and then he hacked me again but but
he was very very what really bothered
him is how come I didn't bring anything
about Morocco.
In this year.
I'm on Shavuot. How come I didn't
mention Morocco in Shavuot? So here this
is for you.
Day one.
It's for all those who went to Morocco.
To relive it all those who are thinking
about next year.
>> [screaming]
>> We're here in Marrakech. We're having
such a great time.
>> [music]
[music]
[singing]
>> Live from Marrakech, Morocco.
>> [music and singing]
[music]
[singing]
>> All right, give all back. I got to tell
you I don't know if who I told this to,
who I didn't, so I have to say it again.
We had a guy, he was the mashgiach.
There's two guys that we hired for all
entire trip, 7 days or whatever it was.
They went with us from beginning to end.
One of them,
Yossi Klein said he has to be at my
side. So, he took it literally. So, day
one, whatever I said, I I apologize. Day
one,
I told somebody, "Hey, stand over there,
take a video." And I started running
backwards, forwards, I was going around
in circles, he's right there with me.
Fine, so he became
But, he had something special. Anybody
that said free Palestine to us, he
walked over them, whispered something in
their ear, we don't know what.
And the guy goes
and start running. Running, didn't stop
for two blocks.
>> [clears throat]
>> He'd go over like let's say like a moped
wanted to like go between us. He goes
over to the guy, whispers something in
the guy's ear, the guy goes
>> [laughter]
>> Just complete fear. We don't know what
he said and what he did. Any peddler
that try to sell us anything, whether
it's try to collect money from us or
sell us uh soap, walks over them
They're gone. Like nobody spoke to us.
He was he had a he had such People were
I don't know what it was.
In the video you saw that we did this
horse wagon thing.
So there's a
There was a moped. I was in the last
one. There's a moped I said this maybe I
don't know when I said this. When did I
say it? In sheer? Was it recorded?
It was recorded?
Okay, so I'm not going to say it. Fine.
Dear Reb Eli,
I'm 10 years old and I have done 125
dafin with MDY.
I started at the beginning of Menachis,
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I love it, he says.
Tzvika Rabinowitz, Gateshead, UK. Did I
read this also?
Who knows?
The refreshments, that's
uh oh, it's a different daf.
We can say this. This is the
Loftus, in honor of his parents,
and
the Mishnah and all the children and
grandchildren. I did show it. I printed
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the
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Daf of Gimel, Ari Friedman, in memory of
Yichezkal Mayer, alav shalom, Ben Tsvi
Aryeh
Neryo.
Son.
His own son, you think?
You know?
How old was his son?
Little kid.
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I see. Tsvi Ari Friedman, Ari. Tsvi Ari
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Today is DAF
What DAF are we doing now?
Gimmel
Chav Gimmel good.
So holding
seven lines from the bottom by zero.
And these questions are very very
similar to each other. These DAF are
very very
similar in terms of the structure of the
questions the Chaimers.
A lot of freebies the entire Sugyas are
freebies basically.
Boy, Reb Zero.
What? We have to be out of here by when?
12:00.
34 minutes.
34 minutes? Ah, that's more than enough.
>> Simon came to the share and said, "Great
question." This is the only time he
actually said that this true.
All right, one question, that's it. Boy,
Reb Zero.
Oy, may I have a light? Oy, I have a toy
room. Oy, men beneath you all know.
So, we know toy room are the mature, the
adults.
Beneath you all know, are the little
guys.
Behave it clean as a seal of Shiva Zev
Shiva Zev.
The mission tells us that once it starts
turning yellow,
you can't bring either the toy room or
the beneath you all know. And he, this
guy decided to bring
the birds when they start becoming
yellow.
He said, "I'm going to bring either
adults
or
the chicks, the babies." And he brings
like the in between.
And this puts us in a sug ya of the in
between.
I said already before that
the the children of Ramat Beit Shemesh
are in between children.
They don't know any of the hair. They're
not Israelis and they're not Americans.
They
here in Israel, they're not accepted as
Israelis. And when they go to camp in
America, everybody calls them Israelis.
It's a It's
So, somebody came over to me said, "You
should know,
it's actually a a thing in the
psychology world. They're called Yaldei
Beit Shemesh.
It is a thing."
It's a known thing, okay?
So, it wasn't anything.
So, the question is, this bird,
what do we have? Is Is it a third stage,
a stage of turning yellow?
Or we just don't know what it is.
And then they love we don't know what it
is.
And And this guy brought two of these.
He brought a dove that's yellow and a
pigeon that's yellow. So
because if this bird is considered a
baby, so it's a baby. It's considered an
adult, it's an adult. So he's
either on the tire side or on the
side. But either way he was
but if it's a third category of a yellow
a yellow pigeon, then he's not it.
So I can have a the nothing.
Do we view a a yellowish bird as a
and then they love
why is he
he brought a yellow dove and a yellow
pigeon. Now if you're going to tell me a
yellow bird
is a baby, okay, so he brought a
and if you're going to tell me a yellow
bird is
an adult, so he brought a tire. Either
way he was it.
But I do not
know. It's a third category.
But I do not know.
He said he's going to bring I realize
means I
am not either I'm going to bring birds.
I'm going to bring either
tire him or
he didn't bring either. He brought he
brought them between stage.
I'm going to smash.
Try the seal.
This possible right over here it says
the minute
the word men is extra.
What do I do with it?
Try the
seal with the service with the show
possible. The possible comes to tell me
that when it starts becoming yellow,
whether it's a dove or pigeon is
possible. Yeah,
we are having a shopping. It makes sense
that you need a possible to tell me that
category three is no good. But if you're
telling me it's not a category, it's
just you don't know what it is, it's a
problem with the speaker.
I
was going to tell you something that you
don't know. You shouldn't know you
shouldn't bring. Why not?
Clavish Shmaya
knows that it's either an adult or it's
a it's a chick, so it's good either way.
So, why would the possuk say that the
soffek is no good?
Says the Gemara,
"You're right. You're right."
>> [clears throat]
>> There is no possuk to tell me min this
possuk right over here min a Torah is
not coming to tell you that a yellow
bird is possul for a korban. No, it's
coming to tell you that if somebody had
relations with this bird or somebody
took this bird and used it as a avoda
zara, you can't bring it as a korban.
Now, why would I ever have a havana you
could bring such a bird? It's a
disgusting kind of bird. Why would I
have a havana you could bring it as a
korban?
So, Gemara says,
"K'siv kimashchusam bahem mum bom." By
korbanos it says "mashchusam hashchasa."
The lashon of hashchasa is a lashon of
avoda zara or arayos.
The Torah is very small.
You should have hashchasa. I never had
avoda zara or avoda zara. It's either
arayos or avoda zara. The Torah says
"k'siv kishchus kol basar ha'aretz." We
see by the mabul hashchasa of all
animals.
Avoda zara and that's arayos. Avoda zara
d'ksiv "p'sach sh'chusam asher lo
ha'pesach."
Kol sh'amon posul bo d'var avoda zara
posul bo.
And the mail in the same possuk says
"kimashchusam bahem mum." The word mum
together with hashchasa. So, maila kol
sh'amon posul bo d'var avoda zara posul
bo.
Anything that
a mum is a problem. So, where is a mum a
problem? By beheima. By a by a large
animal. A mum, broken leg, you can't
bring it as a korban.
So, maila I would say that the hashchasa
also has to do with the mum. So, when
there's avoda zara and there's arayos,
that kind of animal you can't bring as a
korban. Because she ain't mum posul bo
and d'var avoda zara posul bo. But, the
bird where there's no problem of mom. So
maybe there's no problem of arising of a
desire.
A zachor in a cave of by these birds.
Right?
Went through this whole thing that this
year I discovered there's no such thing
by pigeons. No such thing is that it's a
physical thing. It's not
There is no zachor. There's no You can't
look at it with a microscope not a
microscope. We can't see anything.
There's nothing there.
So but there's also no tamas. Tamas
means that there's no such thing as
being whole or not whole.
So we already discussed this. By the
way, I'm I'm confused because I'm Yes,
when was it?
Erev Yom Tov and Yom Tov night I did a
total of six shiurim.
Two were repeats and four
were recorded.
So I have no idea what I said and what I
didn't say in what shiur.
No clue.
So you better tell me if I said this or
not.
I'm pretty sure I said the the eagle
thing with the eagles with the feathers,
right?
Did I say the Reb Shmuel Birnbaum in
both shiurim? Yes.
What didn't I say then?
A night, but it was a recorded.
>> [clears throat]
>> No. Uh uh So you're going to ask
somebody what If I can't remember, maybe
you can remember.
Reb Shmuel Birnbaum's story
that he he gave a brocha to a girl.
You didn't hear it?
You were here both shiurim?
What?
Khabaze in English? In English? Oh, so
I'll say it. I'll say it here to record
it. It's a miracle of my son.
I knew him very well. I knew him. I saw
him. I watched him learn many hours.
I probably said two words to him my
entire life.
But he was the receiver of the mirror in
Brooklyn.
And he's known as the master of the
door, one of the biggest master of the
mirror in the door.
I didn't measure exactly, but
that's what they said about him. Like he
is he never never stopped learning. He
was always always with husband.
His son went to collect money
at some person's house and the guy says,
"I want to give you a very large check."
So he says, "Why?" He says, "Because of
your dad
my wife is alive now and I
we had a great marriage and a long
distance." He says, "What's this? Is
your father gave her a brother that she
should live?" He promised my mother
she's going to live.
So the son says, "I know my father. He's
never done something like that. It's not
true."
>> [clears throat]
>> It's impossible. He's He's a what's the
what's the Shiva? He doesn't
make a promise.
He says, "No, no, let me tell you what
happened."
Says, "Your father was sitting Shiva
and the Shiva was over
and he he was in such pain that he
didn't
he wasn't learning and that's by the way
a lot of people after Shiva they come to
me and they tell me the the one thing
that I cared about all Shiva was the
death. Didn't do the death the death.
But don't worry about it.
I'm not going to make it up. I skipped
ahead
and and most people do make it up. They
tell me, "No, I really did and I do two
deaths a day whole thing. I'm already
caught up basically. Fine."
So I'm going to miss itching to learn.
He walks out of the Shiva. He's walking
towards the Shiva
and this woman stops him.
She says, "Shiva."
She says about herself, "Her daughter is
very very sick with a macula. Can you
please come in for a minute and give her
a brother?"
So he's going to say no. So he says,
"Okay, fine." So he walks up and
and he gives her a bracha and the mother
says, "No, no, no, no, no. I want the
Yeshiva the Yeshiva should give me
aftacha that she's going to live." He
says, "No, no, no aftacha. No, I don't
give it."
Yeshiva aftacha.
She positioned herself by the door, you
know.
>> [laughter]
>> So, aftacha? She says, "No, no. No,
could you uh I need to go alert."
Aftacha.
Kids that she made him crazy
and Reb Shmuel was
crazy, so to speak, to go learn. He
wanted to learn. He was just dying to
learn.
She says, "Sir, aftacha. Aftacha."
But but but I have TO TALK THAT SHE'S
GOING TO GET a good shidduch the whole
so. No, no, no king of tuckets. Kids the
whole story all over again.
And finally, he caved in and he gave her
the bracha. I think it was like another
thing. I forgot what the third thing
was.
And off he runs to the base marriage and
he starts learning with his kavusa.
And then he tells his kavusa, "Wait a
minute. I got I got to go to the side."
So, his kavusa said he's never seen the
Yeshiva go to the side.
So, he follows him
and he hears Reb Shmuel Birnbaum say,
"Abayin Rav,
you know that I'm your biggest fan.
You know that I missed you this whole
week.
Don't let me down. Don't make a Don't
make me make a chillul Hashem. I
promised this woman
Do me a favor, take care of it. Take
care of it." And he goes back to his
kavusa to learn. That was the maiseh.
Okay. Huh?
But I said it when?
It was night.
That doesn't count. What happened?
People were walking behind me at Shavuos
night. We had a sitter here Shavuos
night.
It's not what's not on video doesn't
count.
Wasn't recorded. Okay. Baruch Hashem.
Okay, good. And Willie didn't hear the
story, so it's good I just for him.
It's a good story, no?
Then we sing the song about a brother.
We're not going to do it. We're not
going to even say it out loud.
How's the song go with a brother?
No, that part. That
No, but what are the words before that?
Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, [singing]
yo,
yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo,
yo, yo, yo, maybe that was the words.
No.
Okay.
The what? That since there's no such
thing as as a moon by a bird, and
there's no such thing as
So maybe I could take a bird that
somebody
worshipped have a desire to it and bring
it as a carbon. Come marshmallow, and
that's what the possuk may not tire him.
That's what it comes to tell us that you
cannot.
But there's a very important rash here
that I want you to see.
Rashi says over here
Here
possible moment. Let me see that for a
second. The bag.
Let me see.
>> [laughter]
>> It's edibles. Come on. Help them out.
>> [laughter]
>> Not in a bag, my friend. Not in a bag.
Not in a crunchy bag.
Just looking at the
Now see if you're going to sit right
over here, you got to know the rules.
What it says? It's his edibles.
Maybe I should have one. Let me check it
out for a second.
Do you want one?
HOLD ON A SECOND.
THANK YOU. DO NOT BRING THERE'S no bags
allowed in this room. There's no noises
allowed in this room. Breathing is
Cataracts are not a problem.
Why moving down? Listen to this.
Can't you up to the base of Migdash with
a bird without a leg? Why?
calls is Rashi. It's not because of the
problem of the mall. The problem is So
this is a good
This guy Israel came here one Friday.
Brought me a tray of candy.
Put it by his seat and he walked to the
back to get a coffee. He comes back.
And what are you showing me?
Oh, that I don't know. Garrison is
saying something on the screen.
So
a kid came and he thought it was for
everybody. He put his He took you out
half the candy.
Whatever was one one tray, one one
compartment.
He was very very destroyed. When he
walked in, he was he was not himself. He
said, "What what happened?" He said, "I
wanted to give you this. I can't give it
to you. That's it."
I see this like
Okay. This is
a kid took a few ca- No. The next week
he comes to my house with a tray. He
came up the stairs. He said, "I can't
bring it to the basement anymore. Here
the
I can't guard it like that." He gives it
to me. What's the point?
>> [snorts]
>> You can't give somebody
a half a a gift that's missing a half
the candy or
10% of the candy. There's a hole in it.
It's not good.
So, if you can't give them a good cheer
a tray like that, you can't bring to by
who a bird that's missing a leg. It's a
passover.
It's not because of the mom. It's
because of a queen and all of that
stuff.
The famous possible you bring
something like this to the to the ruler
of the city? No. So, you can't bring it
to the ruler of the city, you can't
bring it to the body slightly.
>> [clears throat]
>> Zog.
Zog to my boy I'm there.
I'm here. How are you like all this
behavior
So, now we're doing the same so good
again basically. Oh, let let me show you
I don't even have to show you.
If I show you this picture, you know
what it is. I don't have to show the
whole video.
We just showed it. So, I'm not going to
show it.
Boy, I'm there.
A guy says I'm going to
I take upon myself to bring in
a behavior from what? What type? You
know, I am in a cave.
Cave is is up to 12 months old. I am is
from 13 months on. What about between 12
and 13? Between 12 and 13 is called a
How good is a good shamish kid? The
heavy power good smell is going to start
calling the shamish kid power good
smell.
How good is
As real your power good smell.
No.
Where where is he from? He is fine.
Fine.
Okay.
Power good smell.
Oh, so we have this. This is the older
one.
You know, let me show you the new one
first.
Or
No, let's let's do the so good then I'll
show it to you.
I leave it there
by the way I have it.
Going to be a good one. You know, you
also by bringing a power good smell
because it's a brief in the It's a third
category. It's not a kevis, it's not a
ayil, it's called a palgus. This non
He kriva if you bring a palgus to the
base hamikdash, what are you doing in
terms of the nisachim?
Now, to remind the oilam, we learned a
lot about this in minachus. This is just
one
The guy on the right is a kevis, he
brings one isaron solus. The guy all the
way to the left is a ayil, brings two
isaron ishranim. So in terms of the the
the flower, very different, double.
Double if you're a ayil.
In terms of the wine, instead of a
quarter of a a revias, you bring a
third, you bring a shlishis ayin.
Okay.
So you brought a palgus, what do you
bring? So what you bring is, you bring
like the ayil all the way to the left,
you're bringing the same amount of wine,
the same amount of of flower, great.
He kriva maybe a love nischa ayil oilam
but you weren't yoitze, why?
Because he said either a ayil or kevis,
you brought a palgus. Var Rebbe Akiva,
I'll tell you why, oila ayil Rebbe says
it's a palgus. So over here, Rebbe Akiva
is saying in the possuk it talks about a
palgus,
so that means it's a breva at the oilam.
The possuk is not going to be talking
about a savik.
Possuk is talking about a breva at the
oilam, it's a new category called a
palgus.
Kide Rebbe Rebbe Pado,
the Rebbe Pado base,
according to Rebbe Pado, the maisu masni
says Rebbe Pado, what do you do? You
bring all the the the the two ishranim,
let's say a flower. You bring that to
the base hamikdash. You say,
"If my palgus is an ayil,
so the two ishranim of flower for for
it. But if my palgus is really a kevis
and I was supposed to bring only one
isaron, so one isaron goes to him and
one isaron is just an adava."
He makes a tnai.
Me I'm being a ayil or a kevis masni
really masni and he doesn't even mention
the the that that he's a breva, that
he's a palgas, that he might be his own
category. I do agree in having master.
Perhaps he also talks about the fact
that he might be a third category called
the palgas. And there's zero
flower for palgas. It's not mentioned in
the Torah anything about a palgas
flower.
The Amar brea have a love of cooling in
the dove. The whole thing should be in a
dove take all. We don't have an answer
by say.
Here's a video for tonight.
>> [clears throat]
>> Professor Ayala, he's a psychologue,
he's a psychologist.
On the one hand,
everyone constantly treats me like a
child.
But on the other hand,
I'm already 17.
That is not a kid anymore.
Yes, I know that struggle very well.
It's exactly what I went through when I
turned 12 months old.
On the one hand, I wasn't a kid anymore,
but I wasn't a ram either.
>> A ram?
>> [screaming]
[screaming]
>> It's called the palgas complex.
It's palgas complex.
Very good. Okay.
One minute. I want to show you this
other palgas thing that we did a long
time ago.
I am not a keves.
I am not a oil hill.
I'm reminding you he is not 13 years
old. He is 13 months old. He finished
his first year and started his second
year. Got it?
>> [music]
>> But my messachim
just like I knew.
We almost forgot about that one. Had to
remind Yossi. Had no idea what I was
talking about.
>> [snorts]
>> Okay, Zotikmar. Oh, it's sponsees.
You should know on on you weren't even
here and I said a sponsor by mistake.
A diet global specialist in
international financial services. Hi
Mildred, lunish masimi russi, for a red
about it's called what I didn't say
sponsor.
Really?
No, I'm not going to
we then for sure we don't owe you
anything cuz you were here and you
didn't make a this bath.
So how
Okay, you can't come later. If you
weren't there, you didn't
that's it. You're too too late. Lost.
Next.
Fine. We'll see what we can do about it.
By Reb Zero.
All right, Reb Boysai. Same thing all
over again. Same kind of question. By
Reb Zero.
So, we know there's something called
matzah and something called chametz.
But there's something in between. I
don't remember what mesecta we learned
it.
Probably in menachos. Yeah?
These are the breads that if somebody
something good happens to someone, he
got out of a a disease, he he went
through the Sahara desert.
What else? He
Or he went on a private plane across the
Sahara desert. Who is that, Al? On a
cruise.
Huh?
>> Bit by a monkey Bit by a monkey.
>> [laughter]
>> Who is this, your dad?
Grep? Grandpa, so we'll call him
grandpa. What's your name? Younger than
I look. From where?
Born in Sweden.
Grew up in Denmark. Yeah. Made in
Switzerland, living in London.
In London?
From all those good places you picked
London at the end?
>> [laughter]
>> Wow.
Wow. Oh.
Reb boys, I
No, just reminding me in 1 month from
now, minus 1 month, I'm going to be in
Austria for 2 weeks.
Inviting the oilum, anybody could come.
We're not doing a program, the program
is a Weber tour program.
Unbelievable food, that's why I'm going
there again. Last year, me,
the Kamianetskys and the Fixes, we went
there. We loved it, so we're going back.
We said we're going to tell the oilum
about it, so whoever wants to come,
come. But a big oilum from
England, a big I don't know, I didn't
hear numbers exactly. A contingency from
England is coming there for Shabbos,
like spend Shabbos. You could come for a
day, 3 days, see the Alps, see Akiva
Horwitz's things, and leave. And I'm not
entertaining the oilum.
I'm not oilum again, but I'll I'll be
there with the oilum.
So, what is it? Shiur. Shiur. Shiur
every day, two shiurim live, the whole
thing. We'll schmooze with the guys at
breakfast.
And hopefully they don't tag along on my
little hikes.
It's not like in Morocco where we went
together and it
I'm not going to have them I should
bring them a mashbach. I should bring
them a mashbach.
Bring them a mashbach, that's a good
idea. Anyway, so if somebody went
through some tzaros, he was in jail and
he came out of jail, so he brings a a
tie to today, we call it a hagaimo.
And you'd bring 10 bread 40 breads
total, 10 of them are chometz, 30 of
them are matzah.
This guy says,
"I want to bring 10 10 breads for a
ta'am da'at.
Either
chametz or matzah, I'm not decided yet.
I'm undecided."
And the guy, what does he do? He does
the palgus thing. He does the in-between
thing. What's the in-between? It's
called se'or. It's not chametz, it's not
matzah, it's se'or. So, you have the
same kind of question again. It's the
same Reb Zeira asking the question.
Now, let's talk about se'or.
>> [snorts]
>> Se'or, take a look at this. You have to
look carefully because
you see how it's all shiny?
It's It's um
And now it just turned non-shiny. That's
hixif panav. That's shittas Reb Meir.
That makes it
se'or. That's se'or. But, you get malkus
if you eat it according to Reb Meir
According to Reb Meir.
According to Rebbi Yehuda, it's
when it starts cracking and it looks
like the
the antennas of a grasshopper.
Okay. So, here it start crack That's a a
later stage.
And according to Here you Here you could
see the grasshopper on the left.
And according to Rebbi Yehuda, you don't
get any penalty. You don't get all this.
According to Reb Meir, you get malkus.
And you could see according to Reb Meir,
hixif panav.
Okay.
So,
the Gemara says se'or demand. The Gemara
does something here
just to make it interesting cuz
basically the Gemara is going to say it
goes according to Reb Yehuda and Reb
Yehuda because Reb Yehuda says there's
no punishment and it's possible that he
means that it's a a category on its own.
There's no punishment. What do you mean
there's no punishment?
Because either it's a safek, I don't
know what to do, or it's a category on
its own. But, according to Reb Meir,
it's obvious. That's what it's chametz.
It's it's it's it's no good. Well, you
why would you maybe say you get malkus?
Cuz it's like chametz. Okay.
Who's new here that wants to say shalom
aleichem?
You guys, the two of you?
Shalom aleichem. What's your name?
Yaakov Anaf.
From? Jerusalem. Ooh, what are you doing
here? You came for yontif? Uh I brought
his wedding.
Ooh, wow. Mazel tov. Mazel tov. When is
that? Right after
>> before. It was before. Today was um
Shabbos Shuva.
Gevaldig. Okay, and who are you?
Mordechai Yaakov's driver. Mordechai
Weiner's brother.
Drivers. So, like the kosher guys,
you're his mishpacha. His mishpacha.
Excellent. Had a cappuccino.
[clears throat]
What? He came for the cappuccino. Ah,
did he get one?
Yishmach. Yishmach. Okay. Excellent.
So, you're you're going to be writing us
an email, I came to drive my uh my
nephew and I ended up stuck here.
Haven't missed a davening since.
Halavai. Say halavai. Amen.
Uh uh when you when you have time.
Okay. So,
says the Gemara like this, very simple.
Se'or demay is se'or demay, let's do it
bal peh. According to Rebbe Meir,
hichsit panav, it changed colors, but
you get malkus.
So,
according to Rebbe Meir,
it's only changed colors. What would
Rebbe Yehuda say Rebbe Meir's case?
Malkus.
It's garnished. Garnished finished. I-
if the stage later where it already
looks like a grasshopper, he says you
don't get an oinesh?
So, in Rebbe Meir's case, it's nothing.
So, is se'or demay l'Rebbe Yehuda,
matzah mayuchsin hi.
Th- this is matzah. So, if I brought 10
breads made out of this stuff, I'm
yoitzei my neder cuz I gave 10 breads of
matzah, and that's also good.
Eeder Rebbe Yehuda l'Rebbe Meir,
sorry.
Eeder Rebbe Yehuda, now let's say it
happened, it's already cracking.
According to Rebbe Meir, what what is
Rebbe going to say in the cracking?
Malkus.
If before the cracking you get malkus,
it's certainly if you crack it's malkus,
it's chametz gamur, and therefore what?
I'm yotzei my neder. Either of you the
R. Meir chametz are you.
I brought 10 breads of chametz. I'm
yotzei my neder. I said either chametz
or matzah, I didn't say what.
R. Yehudah R. Meir R. Meir, okay. So
let's say that's talking about that it's
just shishim for now, just change
colors. But according to R. Meir you get
malkus. Again, it's chametz. R. Yehudah
R. Meir R. Meir, the lucky alei chametz
are you. The Gemara just went through
all these steps just to get to the
bottom step. Here we are, Elder of
Yehudah R. Yehudah. It's talking about
R. Yehudah that it looks like a
grasshopper, but you don't get onish. My
sfeka have no memana of shach. It's a
safek. But I brought either matzah or I
brought I brought
chametz. I brought chametz or matzah,
which one I I don't know, I shall
decide, but I My neder was yotzei. I
said I was going to bring 10 breads
either or. So it's either or.
Or no, I do a breira of the nothing, or
maybe there's a third category called
this chametz, matzah, and se'or. And
because I brought se'or I wasn't my
yotzei my neder. I said I was going to
bring 10 of chametz or 10 of matzah. I
didn't say I was going to bring 10 of
se'or. I'm not yotzei.
Okay, so that's the whole safek here.
And we remain in the safek. But the
Gemara just asked R. Avuna, what
happened there? What was the story? Why
in the world would somebody say I'm
going to bring 10 breads of todah?
Everybody knows you have to bring 40
breads of todah. But R. Avuna I may lay
lachmi todah. If somebody just says I'm
going to bring the breads of the todah,
maybe todah the lachma. You have to
bring both the todah and the bread.
V'kivan d'chayav l'vei todah lachma,
alei alei gavra, e'chametz alei se'or
matzah. Now, this person now owes 40
breads. Now he doesn't know if the se'or
is chametz and therefore he brought
chametz and that he owes the matzah
part. E'matzah alei se'or chametz. Or
maybe he brought some of the matzah and
he has to bring another 20 matzah and 10
chametz.
He has no idea. So, what did he gain?
Either way, he's going to have to bring
40 breads.
What happened was he did He's not going
to bring 40 breads. He only said I'm
going to bring 10. I'm going to help my
friend out. I know my friend can't
really afford 40 breads. I'll You know
what? I'm me, I got 10.
I got you for 10.
Says the
holy other guy chametz he will delay
some matzah matzah will delay some
chametz. He didn't help his friend at
all.
The friend has no idea what the seer is.
Is seer chametz? And therefore, he has
to bring the the rest matzah. Or is the
seer matzah and he has to bring chametz?
What should he do?
What kind of What kind of friend is
that? Says the holy
other guy friend.
He's not a friend that's helping you out
over here. He's not going to help at
all.
But, the question is
the
the guy that made the nether, is he out
there or not? Maybe the guy neither of
them are going to lie.
The question is
this guy that that promised he's going
to bring 10 breads of either chametz or
matzah, was he out there or not with the
seer? He didn't help his friend at all.
His friend is going to have to bring 40
breads. You're right. But, what about
the guy that made the nether? Does he
Was he out there or not?
That's the shalah. What do we do?
Should we do Yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> Well, we'll just stop over here cuz it's
Shabbos and the Israelis are waiting to
come in. Take all the boys out.
Have a wonderful week. You should try to
come in.
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