Daf Yomi Bava Kama Daf 67 by R’ Eli Stefansky

[Music] good morning welcome all the guests we have some very guests what's your name AB BR from come more often what's your name sir David W David W all the way from Chicago good friend of mine and your name DAV DAV SP from Baltimore Baltimore n for real yeah wow the guys over there had some issues with me with with with the gamar that I read even it wasn't me wasn't you I thought it's you you came to to to square things out all right we love you Nar tomed you know you're talking about Nar tomed I just got a message from Fishel Fishel flew down to Miami to Michael Ben's wedding I believe he told me he's you moved back wow you know a Kami from Chicago lman yeah okay who else do we have guests any other guest sh dear reel you mentioned the story of a phone falling out of a plane this happened today they found a working phone that fell out of the plane that the door tripped ripped off the one you know the laskan airline Joseph since here it says the the phone still in earplane mode after it fell 16,000 feet perfectly intact it even had a message on it from the Alaskan ear baggage report your baggage will be there when you land Penny kraman hi I've been doing the D with you since naer and I really enjoy it my line that keeps me going is it doesn't take seven years to finish sh it takes every day thank you for the amazing cheer PK this one is from shopi Cohen in Hebrew now I have to trans translate back into you're guest no sort of Brooklyn Brooklyn of course Ah that's your father shom father anyway he says like this that uh he joined the the Hebrew shear and he listened to a bunch of them he likes it a lot but we have to let people know that we're doing the Hebrew Shar so basically he's saying that the best way to do it is friend brings a friend put it on your status on your WhatsApp and I just got a message today from our very own Yi K says I just reached out to two people one wasn't doing it anymore and he came back so but kids are reaching out to your friends and reminding them is also a very good way to get people to learn to and we did a whole thing yesterday in the Hebrew here to show how to how to put your things on status because a lot of the old guys like myself don't know how to do that we're jumping right into the sponsors we have a lot of sponsors today Anonymous from Lakewood that's he's sponsoring the for the month the entire is sponsored for the unity of what's the matter okay for that come from suppor r no Gary AI Gary and Ys for all your Relentless commitment m teing zo guys yeah you can look over there you see them in memory of our very own early we had a this father's right here Robert his son B was killed in Gaza in memory ofly from Anonymous in Manchester who joined the she at the beginning of in honor of my dear friend and Role Model S that introduced me Tod wonderful seven yard fourth Michael chess in honor of Isaac on their marriage Ma and and the Art of the month sponsored Anonymous for the for an easy child birth his daughter and a healthy baby here we go we are holding on towards the bottom four lines from the bottom so shot things think about before you answer think for a second a person steals fruit steals steals fruit and instead of taking Trum he eats it as his te which one is a greater iser would you think not that we judge these kind of things but if you had a guess which one is a greater is to steal to eat is which one if you use it up now you're not going to have anything else for the rest of this year boy yeah oh I have some guests from Chicago I want to introduce you to my guest come B Ferman he just came from Gaza he's Gaza he say it's enough It's never enough Never Enough bar every time we see you you look you look more relaxed you look more relaxed this time you slept a little bit this week ah okay okay so new anybody nobody wants to answer uh B MIT boy use it up go wrong okay yeah you used it up and you're wrong yeah what right very nice nice answer I don't think that's the answer though it's a good answer very good answer you can't fix it oh so you're saying the opposite very good he also saying very good NA you could do you could do you could do CH huh I think they both well based on what I'm saying I might be wrong completely I have a different idea that I want to say we'll get to there so but they both said very very nice things so anyways is somebody gives up and he doesn't think he's ever going to find the item that he that he lost or that that was stolen from him he gives up is that a Kenyon or not a Kenyon and we learned about this tray kind of thing basically there's a piece of leather that they they made it into a tray I don't know if it's fashioned this nicely with all the edges and everything but it's a tray nevertheless and the gamar says that he's co explains because not because of the years so much it's a combination of the Y and the sh two things occur here the the name also changed it went from a piece of leather to a table to a tray call it whatever you want to call itaba whatever the calls it abar it changed names and that in conjunction with the fact that the owner gave up on it that creates a Kenyon it becomes the ghab now what does it mean it becomes the ghab it becomes his that he doesn't have to return that particular piece has to return the money obviously now once we're talking about Y and we're right in the beginning of Su and we have some very guests so I just I want to say a quick story I've said this before but this is also brought down in's book we're big into's book these days it's a m story there was a very successful businesswoman who would work in her shop selling Fabric and once a year she' go to kova and purchase whatever she needed to purchase so the entire she'd save up money for this purchase and she goes to kova and she's about to make her first purchase of silk or whatever it was and she realized that her money is lost everything she brought on the trainer is gone so the owner of the hotel felt really bad for people that knew her felt bad for and they started screaming in the streets that anybody find the purse that anybody find the purse sure enough a nice shiny yid tall nice nice guy comes along says yeah I found it well what did the S she says I had this and this money the purse had this scratch on it this button's missing this is very good very good but there's a that says that if the the most of the people that live in the city are not Jewish so you're you give up you feel that nobody's going to be and therefore guess what I'm not giving it back and that's like the story we had yet so why did you come forward to say thank you I don't know whatever the okay so the people are really upset this her livelihood she worked the whole year for this let's go to the where do you go to inspector he was the so inspector and he listens to B sides and he says I hear I hear this and you don't have to give it back and he speaks to the woman turns out he asks her what is your husband do he learns all this so I'm I'm supporting my husband to learn T and who owns the shop says he owns the shop so what do you turns out that she's more of a than a owner she was doing she was the agent of her husband she says oh if you're the agent of the husband you don't have the right to be M the the one the owner of the cash in this case is the husband and the husband didn't even know that it was lost you didn't call up your there's no phone there's not so therefore you have to give it back and he had to give it back and everybody was happy besides the sh and that's a story about y anything that I missed from the story oh the AL of K said noo people come down to this world yeah and then they become you don't have the right to be because you're not you're not you he [Music] you he heard the story and he said said you the right on yourself Gary are you able to hear him do I have to repeat it you hear him fine okay beautiful says the like this Walling four lines from the bottom so Yoshi did this back in the day it's not 100% Hally correct but visually it's nice basically if a person steals a beam you see this beam in this in the ceiling here we go a guy steals a beam now in this particular case he takes it out of a house I would much rather being out of the lumber yard okay because over here it's already we have an issue what's going on a guy steals a beam what do we call a beam we call a beam a beam but once you insert it into a mansion it's no longer a beam it's part of the house now if you take down take out the beam we force him to return it what happens it starts cracking up and the whole house could fall down so is like this when a person steals a beam inserts it in his house it's no longer called a beam before it's called a be now it's a ceiling we learned in in G that we learned we just recently learned that yeah when we learned it's in the these are certain that if a person steals a beam and he puts it into a mansion we feel bad for the guy that wants to do CH and return the beam so what we do is we say just pay for the beam and that's it so the whole point of paying cash and not giving back to beam is because said you know M you have to give back to beam you have to tear down your house we'll be nice to you we feel bad for people that want to do CH but what's going on here why why do I have to come on to the if there's a concept called that once the name changed and it's no longer a beam it's a house so now really becomes should become the G nothing to do with do you believe in this idea called or not when we talking about a be we're talking about a joist that goes from side to side in the house that name stays with it he gives him the shows him what the future the is going to look like he talks about these are the casings around the doors the casing around the Windows like we have here in the B Med wooden casings the casings that hold up this is the best this is not even a good picture but imagine that that piece of wood that goes north south in this picture top to bottom that's a beam of a house so if you made a wooden holding for it a casing to hold up that beam today we have joist holders whatever they called but in those days they were made out of wood so he showed them these wooden devices you know to protect the wood from from the from the moisture that comes off the brick Etc these are the frames the wooden frames says rash that go around the windows and the doors sorry what's so if you take this word you cut it in half you come up with marish and that's what we're talking about we're talking about a joist a beam aish is showing the bias and he say look at this beam he calls it a beam a marish so what do you see he didn't call it look at this space mdash he said look at this beam it's still called a beam even though it was installed inside the mdash oh so a beam is different a beam never loses its name I'm just thinking out loud that certain shs and I remember from P the B Med the whole beauty of the B Med were the beams that held up the roof it's like six giant beams circular beams and so you call them the beams these are beams they're not they're not part of the ceiling they're beams so he says like this in America you could find repurposed wood right whatever they call it reclaimed thank you reclaimed wood basically you knock down a barn you knock down a house and the joist the beams like in this picture are perfect there's nothing wrong with them wood is wood it lasts forever you can even see the the nails and everything that the drywall the plaster was was stuff so once I take down the house and I put these beams in a pile what do I call these Beams I call them a ceiling or I call them beams I'm selling what selling beams I'm selling joist so the name comes back so any item that starts out with one name now you put it into the house it comes we give it another name we call it a ceiling and now once we knock down the house we it goes back to its original form its original name so it's a this is a name that comes back and and and when it comes to that's not considered a good enough change okay by um one of the beautiful videos that came out this Uncle promised that if his niece would be saved and come out of captivity he'll start keeping shabas it's a very emotional video when he finds out they come and they tell him hey you're your niece is out Ori MOS or MOS and he starts keeping shabas and he talks about it he says talks about it when I when I read this it came to me like that was my nothing nobody going understand why I'm saying this but to me it was like he has a Shem we call him the non-religious and the religious but at the end of the day it's it's one of these it's just the name but at the end day we come back to where we belong we're all we're all we all serve hem and it's one of these it's just it's a shame it's nothing it's not oh you are categorized like this and he's categorized if it doesn't go back to its original name it's not considered a change what about a pipe in the beginning it was just a piece of wood you take a piece of wood and you hollow out the piece of wood and you come up with a pipe V so here's a diagram this is a piece of wood that was hollowed out and became a pipe so I I want to explain tsis over here when it comes to water and a mik we're talking about a Mikvah now a Mikvah has to have 40 sub of water that was never drawn in a vessel straight rainwater they do different tricks it comes right off the roof right into the Mikvah what if you caught the rainwater in a pale nothing it's not it's not it's not it's not considered the proper closure rain water for the m so this guy goes ahead and He makes himself a pipe is this considered a clear or not a CLE so ta says this particular pipe over here is not a CLE why it can't hold water you put water in one end it'll come out the other end a CLE has to have four sides to it so say tysus must be I like what Yoshi did over here must be that he did something like this he he went a little deeper he made like a a siphon like uh like they have the U shapes under the sinks today a trap thank you to trap dirt Stones whatever so if you have water water coming by this pipe it'll get trapped in that little oh now you have a base keble now you have something that holds water and it's a it's considered a CLE now it depends when he fashion this little trap over here if he attached it to the ground and then he hollowed out the pipe and he made a trap then it's as if he made the ground a trap you're allowed to take ground and make a hole in the ground doesn't become a CLE it's part of the ground so that won't passle the water of the mikah but hey if you have this in your shop you have a piece of water you Hollow it out you make a trap now you have a CLE then you do this look what you do then you attach this piece to the ground and from there you bring the water into the Mikvah that's a no no that's not Kosher water so gor wants to understand why is there a we could perhaps bring this into the it was a piece of w it's called a pipe and we learn you installed it it's considered if you have three of it ruins the but if you installed the first and then you hollowed it out as if you dug out from the ground and if you tell me that changing a name creates something here so what does it help that you installed it and then you hollowed it out not it should become posel why because today it's considered there's a pipe in the ground not not ground it's a pipe the the the fact that I call it a pipe should ruin this Mikvah how that works exactly why is that similar TOA Etc okay I guess it's similar says the sh this whole the three L pass of mik with drawn water is only and wer when it comes to something that's already attached to the ground says the if that's the case only so even if you took a real piece of wood that's already fashioned as a CLE and you put it into the ground why is that a problem we don't care it's only the rabot it's already attached to the ground so why are you making a big deal out of it says the gor because once it's fashioned as a CLE so we call it a pipe it's already a CLE before was attached and therefore this is that's a CLE doesn't just go away it was there before you attach it over here it wasn't called a CLE beforehand and it's attached to the ground so we're not going to add that name to it we're not going to make it a problem because it's only the but to to get rid of we're not going to do you have three types of people a guy that steals in middle of the day that's a Goin a guy that steals at night and anos is a guy that he says here's the money I'm giving you money here like this picture I'm giving you money I want your watches if they take whatever they took and they give it to like in this case they take the watch he takes the watch and gives it to the BD it's Hees now how could it be Hees you can't take somebody else's watch and make it you can't take somebody else's animal and make it a Cara must be that we're talking about y here the original owner just gave up that's it he's done doesn't want to fight and therefore it becomes the GH of and when comes the GH of he has the right to make it and if he steals fruit oh oh we're getting the boy steals fruit and he makes truma from it it's a truma and Hiser is meer so first of all there's a story with r brisker that he summoned the the head of the uh local robbers said come to my office the guy comes in respected each other says you know middle of Theo he says you know I could keep a secret but you have to tell me the truth okay deal he says why is it that do you agree that you steal if you have an opportunity to steal on chabas you steal he says yeah so would that mean that if you have a he says yeah listen uh stealing stealing so that means that if you come to a place on shabas and you have to get in so you break the lock to get in he says yeah he says and if you have to turn on the lights to look yeah so okay do you ever steal from a non-jew he says of course equal opportunity he says and what if you you find like a a non- kosher food in the fridge would you take it he goes yeah and what would you do with it he says I'd sell it he says why would you sell it why don't you eat it he says Reb what are you crazy I'm G to eat Kaz TR so he says I don't understand the is of stealing is the same is of eating the is of turning on the light or breaking the is the same as the right of stealing and and eating Kaz so why why do you differentiate so there are people and I think it's good huh you're talking to him or to me oh yeah the what purpose you bring the store [Music] because he finally speaks up and that's what come on Gary okay so so Lisa I know somebody I I I know I know somebody that stole a lot of money and he took that money and he built a mikah with it built a Mikvah they gave a lot of coved and and you see a lot of times people they have a a guilty conscience after they steal so they think oh if they do something good with the money oh they built a Mikvah they gave with it so that doesn't work that doesn't help the G it's still G something worse than that maybe is when somebody steals something he says to himself oh I'm aov so if I'm a ghav then it doesn't even make sense I should take Trum why should I take Trum MERS I'm aov I'm going to steal and then also I'm going to make a and take and the answer is yeah just because you steal something just because you do want a doesn't mean that you should do other a just because when I was younger told me that he went off the D why because he he went to movies went to movies I'm ready shs right they look down at me so also what's connection what was one thing I have to do with the other so this guy has a big T that's what I was trying to say the guy has a big T he likes to steal this T so not to take Trum there's hardly Anya why should you not take Trum So says that that sometimes is going to go after a person for the easy stuff before the hardest stuff in other words a person has a TAA he can't control himself and he has he sees something good and he takes it okay that's one thing it's a problem but not but but but to but to not take Trum what's your excuse it's such an easy thing what's a not to do is going to get you good that's what he says so going back to my question as I'm I don't know I'm not the I wasn't up there and I don't know exactly I'm saying taking this idea that there are a that are so easy not to do some people don't have a to be so why M just because you stole you should be Shas one thing has nothing to do with the other can't lump all VAR into one thing but over here you have a guy a GH of a go a really bad guy nasty guy but he's a big he gives he takes the stuff he gives it to just duck with it great guy it works by the GH of why it becomes his because he changed the name now it's no longer it's no longer it's called truma it's it's no longer it's called which is interesting the explained that it happened simultaneously because how do you how do you get to change the name if it's not yours and it becomes Yours by changing the name so has to happen happen simultaneously he made it and then it changed the name and then he was able to do that because the change how do you know this idea that if you change an object the way it is you take a piece of wood he fashion a cheer out of it it becomes the Gams he just has to pay for the wood why does continue of course you're going to return the thievery whatever you whatever the translation is but you don't say that which you stole of course that which you stole you're not going to return something that you didn't steal says no only if it's exactly like you stole it you have to give it back if it's not exactly you did something special to it whatever then you give back money I need for something else what that if the father stole something like the famous it's not even such a this but parent teacher conference kid comes in and the the Reb says to the the father let me show you knows how to read he says what's underneath the Al he says coms coms what's under the B com com B what's under the what e the says so says say no says I want you to say he says but it's not I can't he says say he says underneath the hay is the Reb's old my father stole the Reb's silver and he put a underneath the hay okay the father's aov father's a for that for that you didn't have to come back from your notes okay told it to us I thought it was funny then exactly anyway so here it goes if a person is and we catch him he lies he says it was stolen but it turns out he liked that the himself and he hid it in his house and then he made a that he doesn't have it and then he passes away if he was is alive and he admitted to it he would have to pay you have to pay 25% and you have to bring a carbon but because he died his son doesn't have to bring the I would think that has to bring the is 20% but in in in English we call it 25% yeah but the 20 but it's okay mil MAV it's what we call 25% today it's 25% trust me 20% means 25% huh it's p math that's real math it just means in those days they used to go from the outside to take the final number and take off 20 okay so I think they have to give no let's use these two words that we just use a second oh no so sorry you want to say Not Your Father's you don't have to pay for your father stuff that's good enough with the word but why does it add another word I I learned two first of all I don't have to pay for my father's AAR I don't have to pay second of all I give back exactly the thing that I stole and if I improved it I don't have to give that item back and some how do I know that if you made a difference it doesn't become the it does not become the ghs not like we said a second ago it does become the GH give it back in any way in any uh any form or whatever okay any form that it's at right now give it back but it says the way it was stolen just learn yes we're not going to learn two things from it we only learn one you don't have to pay the for your father how do I know I also hold says that you just giving up when owner says kiss I give up that the the G doesn't acquire here's a picture of not ially correct this picture is a lame animal but lame meaning that I'll never go back to being whole again maybe Yoshi did this because I just had to go on crutches the other day and he did it for me but that saying why are you bringing me sick animals sickly animals you should bring me something nice something good and it's a good time maybe perhaps that this talking about F talking about carbas today we don't have have we as a we added and learning to our day that obviously we have to have the out there who give up their lives a lot of them have died a lot of them have seen friends that died a lot of them were injured thousands have been injured so that we could sit here comfortably in a heated or air conditioned uh beautiful chairs from chair market.com sitting here learning toyra so we most of us took upon ourselves to learn a little bit more learn a little bit more [Music] serious the stolen one is similar to The Lame one cl what does it say cloud by you yeah yeah the say also so too the stolen item doesn't have any way out of it it never becomes yours you can never bring a stolen item andas we had yesterday just minus the last part that we had yesterday now you're looking you're seeing this is a big this entire is actually two words and I'll explain in a second it should be your carbon and don't steal a carbon what is it talking about he didn't give up on it the owner then of course he can't bring it it's the owners you can't bring somebody else's animal and turn it into carbon what need that so must be that the original owner gave up over here you see the idea that doesn't work says yesterday if you didn't share yesterday we're not talking about he stole an animal from his friend we're talking about he actually stole a already made carbon an animal that his friend said this is a carbon I'm bring this bring and the is that if you're a g and you take it and you bring to your friend is not has bring another that's what we explained yesterday says took it back okay is different than so says that right after Ra was Riva Rapa Wasa says T over and brings also this goes together tsus that a lot of things that ra Papa said were actually from ra so people got confused they thought that ra papa is not saying his own Tyra he's he's saying over from ra but really it's ra Papa's M and ra says that happens ra says like we said now that Y is not that that we said yesterday that ra said and the end of the story was that somebody else's carbon that that wasn't ra that was papa there's a guy that that was writing for him he's writing books huh yeah which what do you mean ah which part yeah okay there was a guy that for he was writing a book his friend said what are you writing he says I'm writing stories about what what are you writing about he says oh I have a friend who's very good at this and he inserts the right name of the god whatever passed for that story that's the that's the one he puts in so like okay we have a we have an option it could be could be you decide which one so this whole this we learned yesterday we have this there's a concept called if you steal a bull or a cow and you or sell either one of them you have to pay four or five for for a sheep you pay four for a bull you pay five there's no other animal you do this for special by a sheep and a bull so here's the it says now wants to know why not other animals so says because the word sh and are extra so first the gar says is it the first sh no it can't be the first so is it the second sh no it can't be the second one and finally after a whole thear says it must be the SE in the beginning and the sh at end that's the whole so let's see inside says like this why if I steal somebody's Ling and I and I sell it why don't I have to pay four times let's learn we know your animal cannot work on chabas whether it's a parrot a donkey a camel doesn't matter what it is say includes all animals include all animals since in this as you see here it says twice so one of them is extra which one is extra so here Yoshi did a very nice job here if you say that the sh and the all the at the end of the extra you have to stick in in take out the okay that's how say like that look look what happened here I think you have to pay five five cows and four sheep for total of nine cuz it doesn't say five instead of the bull four instead of the sheep it just says five and four instead of so maybe 5 + 4 is n and you have to pay nine for anything because the beginning of the says you stole a bull or okay so it's one or the other okay you only stole one I get it but what do you have to pay you have to pay nine maybe that's why I have to say okay it says instead of and instead of so five instead of the bull and four instead of the sheep so does say instead of so why would I say you need nine it's five or four it's one or the [Music] other that one of these T is extra not true I need the the the for something else therefore it's not extra therefore it can't be that the the the word and are extra because then I'll think that I need nine I'll think that if you that I could just return anything I could give look if I if I took this giant bull I could give this sickly cow [Music] back so therefore I need the second to say that it has to be exactly like the original said there so let's try again perhaps the first sh and we'll take out the word also it should just let's forget about the first but we'll know what we're talking about because the end of the talks about so therefore the first extra and for that from those words I learned it's da a bull and a sheep and nothing else says the of since we're going to take out the first look at the in the beginning we're taking out the word splits it but I don't have the word o now so I would think that in order to pay four and five you have to steal two types of animals you have to steal a bull and a sheep if you steal those two animals then you could invoke this of it doesn't say anywhere it doesn't say if or so perhaps it has to be both says no but it says means One Singular and youed it in a second say okay maybe one and you leave one okay but what about maybe you have to sell both but it says you sold one so we're talking about one not two maybe I think they have to steal two and here he did little pictures for everything maybe have to here's maybe have to sh both and then maybe it says means only one I can't have a it's two oh but maybe you have to sell both says the oh now we're holding over here maybe the the gun of maybe he stole two the p is saying you have to steal two why because it doesn't say it doesn't say or it says you steal a bull and a sheep but you're saying that it says that he only one okay you're right here he Sheed the Sheep on the floor it's dead and he's selling the bull but it says he can't be says that he sold one maybe it means that he sold he stole two heed one and he left one okay cuz means he sold but maybe it doesn't mean that he maybe it means that he kept one for himself like this maybe okay he sold one but he left one for himself but you need two who told you that you get that if you steal one says what the bottom line is the word said in the beginning of the the word the end of the that's what's Extra it says but not so other words the word the beginning of the is going to teach us at the end of the the word at the end of the will teach us for the beginning of the now I know it's one or the other and I know that you have to either sell or but I don't need both what I need the extra words so you see from here that only these two animals have the nothing else now happens to the ra says the reason why the said is because these are the animals that are you usually they graze freely and it's very easy for people to steal them you hear many stories that people come with trucks grab cows throw them in the truck grab sheeps here in I know for a fact and that's one thing the other thing is that the say that people would literally depend on their life on the cow they would drink the milk they would eat and when you take the guy's food away your big Russia so we punish you when you have to pay four to five what the r is saying is since it's so easy to take so we punish a person he has to pay four times the amount he'll think five times before let's just do this little piece over here we learned in the Mna that if you steal from a th you don't pay double this is talking about when the original owner didn't give up but if the original owner gave up who whose item is it now it's the Gham and if it's the goov and you steal from him you have to pay K so comes out a very interesting thing RAB this is a cash from tell meni it comes out a guy steals an item listen to this he steals something the original owner gives up so he has to pay the original owner twice now somebody comes and steals that animal from the ghav and he it so now that guy has to pay the GH of four times so he makes business he's doing doing great he steals an item and he makes four times the item because he stole it's not nice I think I think the famous R my my rebi that I love so much who actually not 100% conscious when he said this it's impossible why do you have to pay four times because he's rooted in sin says what is it talking about if it's talking about before the guy gave up when you sell something before the original owner gave up it's not even a sale it never went to the other guy so what happened so the guy the original guy gave up and if actually you acquire by giving up I why would you have to pay four and five it's yours you're the G of it became yours you don't have to pay four and five over here even without you you have to pay four five why because you sin twice if you would have just sinned you just take it fine you sin it and then you sh it for that adding to the doubling up on the that that's why you have to pay for five have a wonderful [Music] day