Daf Yomi Bava Kama Daf 39 by R’ Eli Stefansky

[Music] welcome welcome to all the guests who do we have here Ben Schwarz we had yesterday my good friend y rman from granddaughter calling for simus who else like the factor they're B the Mal is to give to anyone that thinks that the da is not for them or that it will be too hard to join I'm 17 years old from Perth Western Australia and joined the DA for bakama with some of my friends my friends and I started Co for the da picture below I think the most remote mdy K on Earth if we can do it in a tiny FY SCH in the middle of nowhere anyone can thank you for everything I hope this gave people some David Le it's unbelievable beautiful rebell first of all you for leing so happy to see you back in to see you back in MD Bas measure somehow it enhances my connection to regarding appropriate behavior in a Shiva house my mother-in-law and her sister were sitting shiva for had brother a few years ago who and came to be as he's walking into the house he met my brother on the driveway and he requested him a small favor he said to him please stand up from your seat in 15 minutes as a Simon for me that way I'll know it's time to leave as I have an appointment get I have to get to and I don't want to look at my watch while sitting in front of that veum he thought that if he goes like this and he keeps on looking the oval is going to get insulted like he doesn't have time for him he said you stand up I walk out somebody thinks about mid this about how to treat another person just to give you an idea of the sensitivity of a godle and how one is supposed to act in a house of morning Ellie wow get over here Rie Foreman that's a beautiful thing what a treat ah while he's coming up here wow welcome back m look at this he's staging away here doing M doing K and to the battlefield and now you're back what for a few days till like this afternoon till this afternoon how much time did you get back like few hours he has only few hours back and instead of spending it with his parents he's spending with us unbelievable what a what a you have any good stories to tell us not for the camera not for the camera we love love you we ding for you wow unbelievable that's a nice new gun you got there by the way thanks mayor mayor pla got it for you use it good health use it many many times over am I want to announce all the people that are giving a dollar a day brand new people Aon Freeman Al skorski Ari Riser arier AI fredman not you AI fredman the other AI fredman Danny Sherer David hes as real raport Harriet e shiffman Isaac fredman Jeremy shitz I think that's who is Joel Klein mayor Goodman Michael koven Moosa bachner mosha finlin no haritz I just saw you son I just saw you Philip Goldstein Penny Ruben Corina yusi Klein these are the guys that gave a dollar a day Mark ashkanazi $2 a day and Ki Nal $5 a day right now I'll read the next one because it says like this this is from Howard kov reell I did not find an option for a shekele a day on mdy m.com there's only one option right now unfortunately it's a dollar a day so those who did the the two people that I know of that did $2 and $5 that I go in five times to do the $5 a day they're changing that obviously but what's better donating a gamar every month or a dollar a day I cannot afford both I don't know probably a dollar a day I don't know it's great to have you back in house it's been rough dealing with time zone delays and nothing beats the bustling Bas Med H from K since BR but not for the cruise just good masle not for the cruise he's been with us bro not for the cruise um reell want to ask about the nov that he gives and there's a non-jew that attends every week the said as long as he hasn't specifically he isn't specifically teaching him that's not a problem same question about Hebrew school teacher who kids father's Jewish but not the mother just teach the class and they are allowed to learn just can't be specifically taught hope going to try to attend live share next week because I was all excited about all these Koreans learning gamar I figured okay maybe one of them is a gazillionaire and it'll drop $10 million a year for 10 million one that's that's like $10 a w day we found out it's not a aura it's like a a fraction what did you say it was three1 of an aurer but let's say I had these like okay you get all the Kens together and we'll bring Ellie the fans I'll give a share but I'll charge like a million dollars you can't do that you cannot charge for teaching them Ty they want to watch on their own di no you know what we want pure money we want pure no no things aside be well AI burer no there's in about taking good money AI Burger Waterberry cantic keep up the Holiness the is sponsored for the unity you know what I just realized something y I don't want to put you on the spot the here doesn't believe me that I used to dunk and you might have seen me tell yes or no it was a thunderous dunk busted your ACL I did bust my ACL on a on a no on a on a dunk try yeah I flew in from America just to say it your SE is in the you know that somebody I'm gonna have to throw somebody out okay fine for coming to all those who say the oh who it is it's the per is that is that your Myer right here because it's it's somebody that's friendly with gon who won the lottery and so I I don't know hopefully he just keeps on going I hope I hope this lasts for a year every day for the art from supporting say what we're holding beautiful we go from Mish to Mish beginning a brand new topic brand new m saysed so it's the same thing basically if you damage somebody doesn't have all his faculties together but if he damages you he's not a Bas he doesn't have enough so if he D's Potter same thing if his animal damages you he's Potter if you damage him his animal but if the reverse the owner means a death mute in the time of the gar just in case you're wondering it means somebody that does that's illiterate doesn't know how to read write he can't he never heard never spoke so he has a ga of uh and they cause damage so Rashi goes on here to say we're going to see in the to talk about a little bit that we're talking about in the r we're talking about a and typically a pays only from its own body up to the value of the body so here it is in case you want to remember this and a m pays from Al the problem is that since it's says rash a nice here means we're going after the animal itself the animal is what car metalin it's metalin and when it comes to we can't go after their you go after uh something that has meaning so now this they see that this bull is a troublemaker so has to appoint somebody to take care of this animal so it doesn't cause damage to society and you testify in front of theop like the says you have to testify in front of the owner so now the owner is no longer they are the physical owner but they don't count it's the new bezan appointed a tropus who's considered the owner and it's good enough to to testify in front of him that the Adam will cause damage three [Music] times now we have another what happens when the starts speaking you got a hearing gate became became a regular person Society snapped out of it now he has all his faculties so I want to tell you I learned in by he's probably my my favorite mag is unbelievable mag the parallel she to him was and that's where had everybody know he was 11th grade rebi there was a b in that came to him and said rebi I'm lighting the Mona I'm lighting it in six places he said six places why six he says listen I got a light by the window because it's nice and high people see the the door says should in front of the door I'm not sure which door because there a so I got to put in the front door this door bit six places no what do you want I want to know what braa to make she looks at me he says you don't make any braa he says what do you mean he says you're part from now anybody knows youran he was a huge huge balas he wouldn't talk like this so the B went and the b l in one place and the B made a br and the M later said saved this guy this guy had a lot of nerving everything was nerving he wasn't sure if he washed his hands correctly and this and wash and back and forth and everything everything M salt the whole thing n told him you're acting like a m tried to get him and nobody got him he got UND decided now it's time to give it to him once and for all and that was it he was a there's a case of and of course the the youngster became an adult he became listen to this unbelievable thing that we're going to learn today so first of all just to mention again so we don't forget this it's a when you have a m you pay full price from the best of the best There's No Limit how much you have to pay oh I guess hold on a second let me see if I can find it oh yeah so this's another thing that we're going to be discussing today anybody know how to read this very nice the question is if the he said it on purpose cuz he about the question is if you change ownership does the status of the animal change you have an animal that's a m and now you changed ownership he went goes from the AP tropus back to the to the child perhaps the animal changes also says yes you have an to complete M now he has to pay says no since the owner became a God he got yelled at byan he became a he's no longer that's it your animal also changes the said that there's a person that came to and said he did a a a hidden a so said you know your your children are going to do the same a so he says no nobody saw me do that why why do you think so he said because you see from theor over here that the Mish you see that an ax he changes his behavior even without even knowing why it's just it's another owner so so all of a sudden changes even that when you do AAR it has AA on everybody if if it has Ana on a bull it has AA on you also this the this this thing argues he says no once the bull a he a who cares who owns him now this is also very interesting very get the they invented this whole idea of the Calum bringing a bull to fight another bull to bring a bull to fight a uh a person here we have today's art Gladiator Gladiator here we go boy said listen I mean you're not going to be able to hear because there's no there's no sound today and then even on the blimp if you look closely on the blimp on the left top corner has a little bit of mdy there and here it goes good morning you can't hear it [Applause] okay F get we know that any animal that that kills a human being is a bull a dog a snake they're all they kill people here's an here's an exception we didn't know this an exception to the rule if this bull is trained to attack human beings he's Potter he doesn't you know he's not you forced him to to kill you forc him to go they what the the I once heard a whole thing from that the has a that's what they want they want to see human being d when the Bull killed the person they were happy if not they went back they're all sad what a bad day we didn't see the guy die he beat the bull there's a inion to there's a in order to kill the sh it has to come from his own thing not because you trained him to kill him put him in a cage and and starved him and he needs to go now after this human being says we have a rtion the I kind of explained it as we were reading it we said that if a causes damage he's poter even if we put an there we should because he's causing damage and we have to protect Society nevertheless you can't go after the you can't go after the why because it's it comes right directly from the bull seems like we don't we don't take anything what about the second part of the but if it was the reverse the owner was the and they cause damage they do put in and you testify in front of why he testify saying the opposite so which one is it do you collect or do you not collect what it means yes if the bull becomes Anon it becomes a bull that causes a lot of damage then and you don't take any money at all first he put AB tropus why he put AB tropus there so people could testify why should they testify to make him Ave we want to get him to if there's no trop the the the bull will continue to to cause damage 25 times he's Still Remains a in order for him to go from the status of a to M you have to testify three times and then he goes up to the next madga okay so they're blanks testimony doesn't do anything testify once twice three he doesn't he doesn't have to pay but now we got him to a m status oh he's M now he can take money from him then he becomes a what do we gain by that that if he goes ahead and causes damage then he has to pay this is going to shock a lot of people but when we see the Mas the it's not such a shock who has to pay on the one hand you have the kids you have the the on the other hand the guy that's doing a favor here B and ask him hey do a stickle favor could you take care of these uh neb he says okay fine then the bull goes big surprise he didn't know he's doing them a favor he's taking care of the bull the bull goes get I don't know it doesn't seem like doesn't seem like no's you're talking about something else he's asking does he get paid maybe not let's say it doesn't seems no it seems like from the gar he doesn't get paid we're going to see in a second doesn't get paid he's doing a favor to Bez than to the to the kids to society and then the has know that if he causes all this damage has to come out of pocket he's doing it's the opposite of how do you say is losing how do you say opposite you do aah H okay okay we'll use that that's not bad sayso he's doing a Mitzvah and we punish him says but we see it's not like that that's that's just a having the Mas is yes he yes the come out of pocket but he gets paid back eventually when these kids get older they'll pay him but it comes out of pocket why cuz he needs we have he needs responsibility here you can't be oh yeah I'm doing a TOA you know a lot of times all these the volunteers are the worst you think they're helping you and at the end they cause you damage because they take they relax and then your your animal does damage you have to pay all these people but I did you to if you're going to do a TOA do it all the way to the end you get what you pay for literally so the three times before don't count they do count what with tropus Once point theopus it has to be another three times yeah yeah yeah yeah once once you point tropus no no what he's saying is everything that happened before that tropus is nothing six times if it happened six times six times after 32 times 32 he saying no no I thought was saying is according to that's the not according toor you start over is that what he's asking okay what is he asking what are you asking what are you asking don't be like my father my father used to ask a question Oho asking a mar good question what you mean to ask is I like yeah yeah that's exactly what I meant good yeah do said that he became no never says you can only say you have to do testimony the whole M becomes after there's a Ab tropus you have to testify in front of a trus then he becomes a then he pays what happened before is not nas the guy could have damaged 400 blls he's a Tom see the yeah of course of course you don't need for that if you see the sh is is very you see you see a sh holding on to a leash and it's slepping him dragging him through you know I'm just imagining now his his chin is on the sidewalk all like the leash says listen we got to get Aus right away before he does three times you don't wait three times of course but it only starts what whenever they got doesn't matter if on zero or 400 when they getas from that point on that's when it becomes a you could do three times of Tam then it comes then after three times comes who has to have to pay has to pay and Cal down we're going to see that and that's but we're going to see what it means really say that have to pay you never take money from he has a bank account he inherited money from his father you never take money out of there there's only one time that you take money if it's hurting the if the interest is eating into the principle how do you have interest says he went to go I don't know you could maybe nowadays thisis whatever it is there's a lot of interest so then you pay off the the interest right you pay off a loan that's only the only time that you take out of the Y because you're helping him but but what about when the causes damage the payback is just the mitz say rash these you don't have says it's interesting L here basically he's repeating the same thing but in different words don't think he's saying a different again exactly you pay but for two reasons you'll take money out of him for to pay back interest interest loan or for not his mother or maybe his mother to theba of his that his father owed because again it's the same principle that we're we're you're eating at the principle you're eating at because if she doesn't get paid her 200 then you have to pay her money every you have to give support and that's going to eat up their money by the time they become bar MIT they won't have any money left in the bank get rid of her pay up Toba and we're helping you okay so those are two things but it doesn't mention anything doesn't mention HZ it says over here that if de bull damages you go into the bank account you pull money out I thought you don't pull money out unless there's a interest problem over here says you're right have to switch the because they have a major contradiction here it's says that the doesn't pay it's tropus who pays and that fits right in okay so he remains with two things that he pays I don't like this because you have a contradiction you don't know what to do we have a have a cabala that RI he said that pays and in fact that's and now you want to make him look bad so so to speak mistaken in he's the one that's saying what we don't passing like and he always used to go to the deepest level of the of the should beat when it comes to the and therefore I don't want to flip it around it happens to be that even today if you if you think about it some of the most complicated SAS where do you find the best logic in the Jewish world today in court when you're about to lose $2 million in a in a in a in a d you're going to come up with the best SPS possible you're going to take all the RIS and all the r you're going to come up you're going to go to the deepest of the deep that's what it says over here that he was there when he was a diet and he always went to the deepest he heard all theas from all the all the sides he knows stuff more so I don't want to flip it around it's said that we take from Y what about over here with it's different you have to take from the because if you take from nobody will want to be it's over here that they don't get paid if they get paid you're getting paid what's a big deal you find a lot of people you're saying even with payment they won't want to do it maybe because it's going to cost them more than their payment I hear I just understand how come don't have to pay back said but we always say kids have to do no not to take money out of them a nice PCH for no you don't take money out for make him it's cost it's a yeah okay it's a good think about yeah exactly who's out who's it's no from a not aah yeah but doesn't go and be other people's kids that's not their job it's it's a father's job it's their job leave to do whatever he wants now of course have we have a responsibility to take care of this child this societ otherwise he to be thank you Ben we missed you I missed I don't know about you we just turned the sponsored by and my holy nephew son of Robert ear and this reminds me RAB Forman is here it's unbelievable that he came no it's big big yeah that's right what I call him Rabbi rabbi we are a few a bunch of sh I said his name specifically that we're going to learn my nephew I don't know that many people in there I know ell Rosen you see ell Rosen anywhere over there in Gaza wave him we have other people here in the she that they have children there but I'm saying bar comes to the she every day he's M oh I want to remind those skip the emails I want to remind because it's again says that is a big scho to give money yes I think 20 people gave but that's uh what percentage is that of 20,000 it's 20 it's a lot of money no it's a day it comes out to $10,000 whatever it comes out to it's very nice it's a very nice thing it's called and I'm gonna say this again I haven't said this in a while I'm not biased at all I think that mdy is one of the biggest the best duckers to give to in this generation because of what we do with the money all money goes directly to bring people to Tyra and to change people's lives in a Rous way huh that's going to cost you you say a v now it's going to cost you big time doar no no no no the people that are quiet in America it's a dollar day the people that say horest over here it's $20 a day no so let me just explain so people don't think I'm M no this to give to you but the for $35 let's say you give a gamar a lot of this money goes to garas and things like that $35 it's all takes to change one person's life it's very hard to change a person's life at $35 in other duckus sometimes you have to you buy them a house for $300,000 500,000 you make a it cost $50,000 you change your life that's a lot of money over here for $35 $35 we got marad cash you believe to the she for $35 one gamar he went for the free gamarra guy owns Five companies well free free gar and he's in we love him unbelievable and you guys all benefit free because of that thank you I almost started you take from oh this is very important if we missed this we missed everything you take from thatas now how is it the guy is AO he's being a he's doing a so you going to take money from him the ball damaged a Ferrari cost $200,000 damage out of his pocket Godly don't worry about it it's a temporary thing he knows that if the bull under his watch is going to damage he's going to have to give a loan now and the loan is going to cost him a lot of money so he's going to take good care of this bull but it's not really going to cost him it's going to cost the which is also you some have to pay for something that somebody did okay it wasn't their fault they thought it was watched and okay says in fact we have you think that so that we have one cheat in [Music] the so remember this the the first is that you have a bull that the owner is not 100% it doesn't have all his faculties became this is interesting he's 100% there he just ran away he says the name is say how many times you think this name is in ch very good anybody else agree with him five times in ch I also thought once that's why I looked it up so what does it mean again this bull his owner became a he he stays a it seems like he stays at Forever Until you could get somebody to testify in front of the owners in front of somebody normal no we argue is good enough fine we see what the say number two what if the guy becomes normal they got out of their now they're normal and the fourth case the owner came back you hear the problem here before we said he remains a time until the guy comes back from his Safari somewhere means that he was a and he goes back to being a so what happened there does he ever turn into a m or not from the first case it seems like he never becomes a m he remains there over here it's he became a m in fact when he comes back he'll go he'll revert back to being a time but he was a fine we have similar like in the Mna whether or not he goes back we have so therefore he went from back to because now he has a new owner he has a child that became an adult new owner let's figure this out if he never became a how can you tell me he never became a m when the says he was a m who became back there's a little shocker the word over here means something else not he only did it three times he's he's in the same status you don't take anything away from the ma then he goes in other words you have an animal that cause damage damage damage and then he becomes a m boom he has to pay but when he becomes a m he's whole you didn't take anything off his body when is's a regular time it's m you start chopping away at his body he caused $100 damage you take $100 off the body another $500 another $500 all of a sudden this bull is worth $55 not now all the times he did damage when he was a Time Zero when he comes a m now you have a full bull to take from so what do you see from here since you cannot collect from a because it comes off his body so we hold who is it that says this the name you see this that we said before the time you don't take money off of him when it becomes a which is Mal then we take the money off of him or take whatever from wherever you want argue so in other words let's again of course he becomes a m just he be got his M that's what it means doesn't mean that he remains a it means that as he became a m he was worth the full value of this bull we never took money off we never deducted from his value however here's a that says no we could take money off the value of this bowl what's the over here in the second case what happened again you had a bull that caused you have a or a guy that went out of the country we won't talk about that case because it's a different type of case and then they became always here unbelievable he has a day off on khaka comes back the whole MD misses you every single just tell me or I don't want to be are you still doing the D wow in one of the hardest to get into and nobody does d over it's not it's not what they give you a device to to watch it and the whole thing ah you're no longer mdy he's showing that you're mdy when you could be mdy and mdy very very proud of you learning he learned from BR till now he learned half and he's not even 14 years old are you 14 you are what soon 15 I'm still I'm telling you everything happened a month ago became a last week fine every okay again huh still giving Chicago I think Chicago that messed me up you're right I shouldn't go everything's going to be fine no no no I'll explain to you after sh [Music] anyway the needs a SLE break and now we're gonna go into it okay so we had a case we had a case Hello I couldn't concentrate I'll say this there's the the the entire morning I can't concent I like quiet quiet there's no text message but I hear the bombs boom boom and it's not SK Cloud it's gak you're getting that part is gak no that part is very gak you know every one of those means a tar went down it's Gish the boms in Chicago you wake up you wake up you hear bombs or not do you hear bombs okay come to my porch I'll show you yeah yeah so that's where I am hold on yeah yeah what's the sa side thees came back to themselves so says that the becomes a say no once he's we had this already very simple do you revert backwards does a bull ever go backwards want to say it's almost I'll give you an example stop th throw this out some you have a kid that that that's in class he's crazy got thrown out 45 times the next year he has a different rebi all of a sudden he's he's a new kid sometime I'm not comparing a kid to although it's very very in a lot no seriously you have a new rebi new start over here you have a new owner Boom the the bull starts he has more for this guy it's possible although that's not really the what they want to say over okay fine so that's holds that once you get a new owner the guy became became AA he's normal now so you start all over the clock you reset reset now it becomes a time three times not true once a bull he proved himself that he's a bad guy he he kills three times that's it he's going to do it again I don't care who the owner is said listen to this you'll never hear a line like this in the entire sh again if you have a bull that's owned by and he caus damage is gonna pay half the amount you ever heard anything like that if your bull of causes damage I don't know who he is he's going to pay half of the ask the why is it R's fault why should he pay oh there was a mistake in the way we wrote it a bull that cause damage you pay half himself is going to take out of the pocket so I was in Chicago as you know and I I said my wife was saying I didn't I didn't really I wasn't on top of it so you know the kid is just walking around the house all day for the last month you got to put him in school oh okay so I go to I knock on the door yeah that's a different story anyways I brought him in and I spoke to RAB he's a big and and he let my kid in but he told me two beautiful vs and he said listen when you get to says react with my so I want to ask you a question I didn't know what he was talking about he said he said just take it out of the just start what's oh it seems like he's paying oh that's a mistake yeah so he said I want to tell youb said on this that when ROV learned the gar he tried to visualize everything he ever learned he was visualizing it I'm gonna pay and then it just came out of his mouth like that so he said it over so they stuck it in to show this idea of visualization he was talking to me about mdy visualization another you can say I don't know I don't want to be that sometimes when you learn and it's a mistake a lot of times you learn you don't know what you're talking about you say the wrong you didn't the is telling you over here you get for that also it's also part of T and I'm putting the puts it in here to teach us and we not going to take it out and maybe even simpler than that at the end of the day in those days they used to learn about and it became part of the vernacular this is he mistake okay we'll fix the mistake but if you fix the mistake without saying what it was originally people are going to get confused so we say the original we say that there was a toast and we fix okay a few to choose from yeah yeah yeah you leave all mistakes we're human ask talking about so this is tricky don't think don't read it as is what do you mean we just said does he pay at all doesn't pay does he pay half says rash it should have said a different it said if if you're talking about a so you should have said how much do you pay for a everyone in the room knows how much a pays only why in the world does say that says you have to he doesn't have to say that word too many words finished that's the that's we everybody knows that a he did a you don't have to pay it all you have to remember that you don't have to pay it all and if he didn't do he didn't watch him at all he didn't close the door should pay full where did the half come from so what's going on here talking about he did a very low so Rashi says something very interesting low over here means pretty high it means that he closed the door he locked the door that a typical wind can't knock it down that's not that's not how we would understand means like we would think a normal normal sh that's what it means why because if he did a he locked him in a safe with a and he still got out then he's 100% Potter why would he be have to be for that nobody has to be has to pay for something like that Bo said let me just show you real quickly oh we have here a combination of three alas which bring us to if we go back over here so this is a bull that's a half a time this is a bull that's a m but if you view the bull you could also view him as a m that also half of him is a theas of the don't go away from a it's not that oh he Ed the status from a to M it just means that half of him is a the other half is a it's a big so first of he's still big we actually mentioned once that it's it's interesting but this based on that you don't have to watch as much as a so a you could do get away with not not a now if you can buy all these things comes out a beautiful so you have three that's why he said this you ask me why he said that he have to pay because I want to tell you that he's paying even though he's a m he's paying because he's still a t that that's why so that's why you had to say this whole thing and you learn three from him first of all he's still a second of all you don't have to do a mola and second of all he's going to pay he's going to pay why is he going to pay be even though from a time you don't take money out of a out of you do take money out of them that's why so three in one because of the time what [Music] what no no no say yes I think let's let's go because it's 803 what you telling me that look look at this chart hold in two things no they have they argue with each other but full amount argues not the full amount half here we have when it says doesn't say how much comes and explains meant a half a damage so there's no okay so we can say and agree and that's why you have this chart F so for this really we need rash inside where is if you're talking about if talking about and if you hold lower level and if he didn't watch him at all why should say only half he should pay the whole amount in other words again they should all agree to the same thing we're talking about a and he didn't watch him at all this is basically almost the opposite of what we said before the same idea but the opposite unbelievable remember before we said a bull is 50/50 he's 50% Town 50% M and we were saying that he's going to pay the 50% of the time now we're saying no you're right it's 50/50 half time half M but why is he paying 50% because he's a m because the time part you don't pay at all that's what we were saying before if he's a time you don't pay you don't pay me a but he's not a time he's a half time half M and he's not a m that you could ignore the time part so on the you don't pay at all you don't pay M so why you paying 50% because of the this exactly the opposite what we said before he holds like that this bull look at him he's a half a Time the right is a he argu with him you could take out of the part onlys half wonderful day oh if you don't mind because to save a little time we're gonna say together paing by paing [Music] for