Daf Yomi Avodah Zarah Daf 60 by R' Eli Stefansky

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Amro as all the wine that's there just in that area where the spigot was that wine is user to drink it's the and all the wine of the barrel sorry in other words says papa that the wine in the barrel doesn't have a connection to the wine in the spigot hole. It's two different things. That's what the first Rafa says. There's the area where the faucet was in, the SP was in in the wood. That wine is the rest of the wine in the barrel is M. [Music] from the top of the barrel till let's see. So here Yoshi did this. There was a spigot came out. Here's the wine till there till the spigot is from the spigot down is mut. What's the sara? Svara is because if he would remove his hand all that wine will come out. In other words, his hand is upholding all that wine. From that point on, from that point lower, he's not accomplishing anything. So that's a different type of wine. So the explains and we have to use the through the second rap holds of the first rap. In other words, all the wine should be mutter. Even in the area that you see red, it should be just what we made. That's how you could separate the top from the bottom. Cuz in logic, it doesn't really work. If the top, how do you it all mixes in? It's all once. How do you see So, what he's saying is that it really should all be green. It should all be mut just as a as extra for we made the top part also. This seems to be like you have a barrel full of truma truma wine in other words is can't drink it. This is good for has a hole in it like we're talking right now. Whether the hole is on top of the barrel or if it's on the bottom of the barrel or whether it's on the side and somebody who went to the mikvah but is waiting for nighttime in order to have a complete tahar. So he's semi to everything that he in the barrel is tummy. So that's number one. He touched whole top, bottom, side, doesn't matter where. So let's talk about our so it's on the side. The entire barrel is entire barrel is no if it's all the way on the top or all the way in the bottom. That's if he touched in the hole. Everything is the top and the bottom. In other words, just in the hole is also and that would be like papa in both really. If you hold like the it would go in both just a second. You have a guy who went to the mikvah comes of comes night time he becomes. Okay. [Music] Let's take a look here. The idol worshipper is holding the large barrel and he's pouring into the smaller jug of the Jew. So the guy is actually moving the wine. The wine becomes why does the wine become? Because of the saying up until now. You tell the the go around. In other words, even though he's busy pouring, but he's moving the wine. No good. because it's coming from his power. The guy poured it in. It's his power. It's user is what about this case? The opposite. The Jew is the one pouring into the guy's cle. So now the guy didn't make any movement. So since the idol worshipper didn't move, he's just holding the cle. So the wine in that is however but if he positions it, he starts moving this way that way. He started moving the wine becomes. Here's the picture. He's holding on to a flask, a leather flask closed and there's a Jew walking behind him. depends malo shi if this flask this leather pouch is full canteen you know in camp remember back in the day I don't know if today they do it back in the day we used to get cantens today they probably have water bottle something else I don't know we had a canteen it's a whole matzah like a green cover maybe fill it up with water go on a hike so it's like a canteen if it's completely full it's not a problem of It doesn't shake. There's no shaking inside of wine. The the wine is it's up to the top. Doesn't you can't really shake it. But let's say it's only 3/4 full. So now the guy can give it a good here. Let's take this. I wanted to use some of these for some of the You hear that? That's That makes it ya. But if it's full, I don't know if this is considered full. You know, I wanted to take these and cut them and do all sorts of things for the year, but Yoshi did it with AI. So, I'm going to show you what he did soon. Like, that was my plan on Chabas. It's a good thing he did it because I didn't have that much time outside. Maybe he'll shake it up. Kuba, but when we talk about a giant uh a larger jug of of wine also, if it's full, it's also wide. It's open on the top. So perhaps the G, you know, put his thumbs in there and made a dog. Perhaps he touched, but if it's missing some of the wine, that that would be normal to carry a a a barrel of wine that's not completely filled to the top. It's lower down. So, it's hard to put your fingers in there making the Jews watching will see it and not allow it. Is not going to touch. If we're talking about this picture right here, let's see it again. I like it. It doesn't matter whether it's full or half empty. It's not nobody takes a uh a half full thing and shakes it off. This not this is how they perform that is you pour a libation to the to that desire. Oh, if we're going to talk about a wine press. So, let's see what a wine press is. This is Gansfine. This actually explains it. This is a picture that I found of a older wine press. So, you could see if you look closely, you'll see there's like a screw right over here. And you turn something here. You can see there's like a handle over here. this piece of wood that's parallel to the floor and you put the grapes into this round vat and on top there's wood and the wood pushes down onto the grapes. Okay, that's uh let me show you what it looks like today. The main thing is when you get ready to press your grapes, don't forget to put the bucket under the under the press. Believe me, it happens. [Music] Here's the wood. Wood goes down. Now, you see how he pushed with his hands? That's called that's his force pushing down with his hands. Now this is called this is a force of a force when he moves the the screw and it goes down and pushes and presses the grapes. That is a force of a force. Great. You have the press that presses grapes. If presses the grapes, does it be does it cause it to become says the in other words, if the guy like we saw pushed down with his hands, shall we see it again? Let's just do it from the middle. I want to see this business. Press your brakes. Don't forget to put the bucket under the press. Believe me, it happens. >> Where's the cuz it's right in the beginning. So, it's not a Oh, here we go. This I want to show you the we're going to pause right there. Push down. Boom. So when he pushed down with his hands like that, if he stood on it with his feet, that's his power. When he stands on it, when he uses his own force, his bodily force, everybody agrees that is Yanessa. Keep pleing. when it's a force of a force, which would mean the next step. Let's see if I could get to it. Oh, when he uses the screw, he pushes the device and that device lowers it down. Lowers and pushes force onto the wood and the wood pushes down the grapes. That's a force of a force. Like uh when it comes to daffi, there are people that want to do the daf and there are people that want to want to do the d. One day I'll do it. Some say no. When you're pulling some sort of device that pushes down that that that goes down a screw, pushes down the wood and then that everybody agrees the everybody. There's no even when you put your own bodily force down, you push with your hands, you push with your feet, there's in fact But now the says no there was a there was a case where was a force of a force it's also in other we just said that there's no according no there is like like the first was in a force of a force not yet let's first do The sponsors turning it off global MDY is enjoying the benefit of MDY clients anonymous and we're back to there was a story with a a certain barrel the It cracked right down the middle. Here we have a good depiction here from Yoshi. See the crack comes out of worshipper and holds it together. That is different is going to tell us than if the crack is horizontal. Sorry. Once again, this guy jumps. hugs it like in the picture. He said it's allowed you to sell it to the non-Jew. You're not allowed to drink it. That's because this is very bad because this the the the slit, the cut, the the the crack is to the length. It's vertical, but if it's horizontal, it would be motor. What's the So, let's let's take a look at this picture. When the crack is vertical and you hug it, so you're pushing the two pieces together this way, which in return pushes the wine inwards. The wine is pushing out. You're pushing the wood, whatever it is, together this way to yourself. You moved all the wine. Okay. But if it's this way and you sit on top of it, you're not touching the wine. You're not touching the wine. What you're doing is you're pushing the two pieces together, but they're not they have no effect on the wine inside the barrel. When the crack is vertical, you're having an effect on the wine inside. You're actually moving all the wine, says the you're only acting as a stone. This guy sitting on top. This go is acting like a stone says they found a uh idol worshipper in the wine press. Now there were no grapes there but there was leftover residue of wine on the bottom and he touched it. I love using this mushel. You want to understand what means? You go to the mirha and you look at one of the towels that's on a roll that goes on a roll guy washes his hands uses the towel. We don't understand why they use the towel. It'll be a lot not not I'm not talking about healthwise. It's better for your hands. They'll dry off quicker if you don't use the towel because the towel has enough moisture in it. It has to make something else. If you touched it and then you touch something else, you will make that that other thing also moist. That's it gives you enough moisture. You touch it and you have enough moisture on your hand when you touch a second item that also becomes moist. If that's the case, you need to rinse it out. Niggo, as we're going to see later on in the sugas, niggo means that you take ash, you wash it down with ash, then you rinse it with water, then you again rub it down with ash. That's the That's what you need to do if it had that much because the guy touched it. Now, instead of him ruining your whole wine press forever, you go through this this uh cleaning process. And if it doesn't have that much moisture, you just rinse it off. You don't have to use ashes, nothing says. So tomorrow we're also going to have we're going to start off today with a Mishna and we have basically four cases over here. This mission's case is a case where the guy is standing next to wine that belongs to the Jew in the property of the Jew. What are you doing here? Why are you standing here? It's very suspicious. Did he touch the wine and make it? Did he not? Now there's different cases. What if the wine is inside the guy's house? The Jew had permission to to to produce wine there. So that's tomorrow's mission. If there's a reason for him to be in the house because the Jew owes him money and as the is going to explain and the Jew made this wine of collateral to the loan also. Now we have to be concerned because the guy's going to say, you know, I came to pick up my collateral. If he gets caught red-handed, he's going to go perhaps he made. And if he gets red caught red-handed, he's not going to get into trouble because he's gonna say, "I came to pick up my loan, and this is the collateral to my loan." But they have no connection. There's no there's no loan. The the wine has nothing to do with the guy. Then you're allowed to use the wine. It's not because the guy is nervous. He doesn't want to touch it. He knows that if he get caught, he'll have to pay a lot of money. The idol worshipper falls into a pit full of wine. Interesting that the is going to say he came out dead or unconscious. So what does that look like? Remind over here. It looks like he came out dead. That's why it says image did it with the dead part. So if he falls into the bar now we know as he's falling in he's not thinking about doing the question is coming out if he measured how much is inside the the bar of wine with a with a reed as we had that you can make even with a stick you don't have to touch the wine itself you use a stick to go in that itself makes the iss Bakana used a fly swatter, a stick to kill a wasp. That's why it's in that picture. It's the two cases together. So he's not thinking about the wine started bubbling, you know, became foamy. So the guy put his hand to push down the foam. Once again, he wasn't thinking about doing these are stories that happened. You know what? Let's sell the wine. Don't drink it, but you could sell it. It's not in the allows even to drink the wine. [Music] If he grabbed this the barrel and he threw it out of anger into the pit into the pit of of wine and they said, "You're allowed to even drink the wine." The reason why this wine exhaust is because there's a connection between the non-Jew and the Jew. And when the non-Jew goes into the property of the Jew, when nobody's looking, he's not worried and concerned to do because if even if he gets caught, I'll say, you know, I have a loan here. I'm coming to pick up my loan. I'm coming to pick up my collateral. the we're going to learn tomorrow on the top of is this you can be from the this not says in the mat means that somebody's producing wine in a non-Jewish home with a m over here doesn't mean that he's from from tum rather it means he's making wine that is going to be kosher to drink. It's in the house of the guy. It's the grapes of the guy. But he makes a deal. He says, "Listen, I'm going to use your grapes and your facility. I'm going to make wine and I'm going to sell to the Jews. And when I'm done selling, I'm going to have money. I'm going to pay you back." And he puts it in his property. And the guy writes to him, even though he never received a dime from the Jew, he writes to the Jew, "You don't owe me anything." In other words, they have some verbal agreement that when he sells the wine, he'll get paid. But what's the point of this? I receive that I don't have a monetary claim against you. Then says the but if it's in a case where the Jew doesn't have the right to pull out the the wine, now we have to be concerned. Ban there's a story in Banu and they said that the wine is a I'm just curious if there's anybody in the that watches the who's from Ban. I haven't heard that name come up but it's a place in Israel up north. If you are from Bachan, write in. I'm curious. Maybe maybe somebody did come from Bachan. I just don't remember. That's also a possibility. There's a story like this and they said it's why again because the guy has full control over the wine says it's only because the guy doesn't allow you to take out the wine which is really they ask from the first part of okay but from here if he allows Kobe Kobe our editor just wrote to me. I saw it pop up. He's going to be in Banan today. Good. So go to Banan and open up a a thing there a sniff or find the people that do the d over there. Anyway, you see that if the has power over the wine, then it's also because you can say he's not nervous. He can be make and what what's the worst going to happen? You're going to catch it. We say no, it's mine. I don't let you take it out. You owe me money. But if you, the Jew, has full control, then we're not concerned because then he doesn't have a good excuse. And if he gets caught red-handed, when the Mishna says that it's that it's you see the go standing there meaning that the Jew owes this guy money and this is the collateral that's why he he's not nervous to make because even if he gets caught this wine is put aside for for the loan. The story where he fell into the pit and he came out. Yeah, he came out. They came out dead or unconscious. But if he comes out alive listen when they when we started off the when when the non-Jew has a holiday he he thanks his aid and over here thanking is a a Jew makes a he goes to and a nandrew is going to thank his for saving his life. You made them. So, what does that mean? How does he think his he makes with it? As he comes out, he says, "Thank you." He makes if a guy uses a stick to measure the wine. So that you sell the wine. You don't drink it. says you're allowed to even drink it should have a lot of on his head because he says it's to drink when he says it's also however says at the And okay, this is what said at the end of this whole thing says not you cannot drink it. You have to just sell it to the guy. He took this barrel and he threw it into the bar and this says in the Mishna with Cass take out the C. So says any Oh, I think I missed a rash that I wanted to show the Oh yeah. No, this is a Tus on. So Tyus just says I just want to point it out because it might be to us in different factories. So T says that if a person if there's a three maybe that's similar to the the picture that I showed you. You have the the the the boards and then you have a a stick and you have a a screw. The kids at the end of the day says there's no difference if it's not your own power. So even five that says he'll say even is also a that's one thing I wanted to point out. And now, oh, this was very important for then, but that's it. Okay. So, Rash just here says that thing. Okay. But there's another one. Hold on. Oh, so over here, Rashi says there's a big problem because over here, I just want to point out because tomorrow we're going to be discussing it. When when the gar over here says the gar brings the mishna over and over here says so rashi says it's only allowed when the Jew is holding on to the key or the seal whereas tomorrow on the same Mishna he says differently he doesn't have to hold on to the seal now here's the ration now we're holding the what the garra says says that of are the same as of we can learn from so right away says wait a minute we're not talking we're not talking about the movement you know like sits on a mattress everything on the bottom becomes when he moves something no that's not what we're talking about we're talking about touching what we're trying to point out here is the the fact that if You throw a barrel into a pool of wine and it doesn't come. That's what we want to point out. The touching part you touch something with your hand or a stick. Okay. So few words you have to take out. It doesn't matter if the touches you or through with a stick you become. like a that uses a stick or his hand. You becomes says we're not talking about talking about full contact or with a stick full. So that being said, sorry, let's read it again. Whatever you do touching with a Z touches somebody you do the same thing if a guy touches wine and if if let's say took a barrel and threw it at somebody or something. If a person threw a barrel with anger into a bar, you see that if you throw if if a non-Jew throws a barrel of wine, it does become now a Z who throws something doesn't become says what happened was he didn't throw it, he rolled it. He rolled it and rolled it. He rolled it all the way till he got to the pit. And the moment it touched the wine, he wasn't touching it, but he rolled it all the way. So now if if he was mad, so we say it's not Yay. But if he wasn't mad, since he was right there, perhaps he touched it and made if he did it out of anger, he didn't have the the opportunity to do it. He wasn't in the mindset of doing. But if he wasn't, that's enough between being mad and not mad. Have a wonderful day. Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.