Daf Yomi Avodah Zarah Daf 45 by R' Eli Stefansky

[Music] Good morning. Not sure if you're going to see this at night in the day, but whenever you see it, make sure that you don't fall behind another D. Today is going to be a shorter draft than usual. Right now, it's live in Miami. I'm by myself actually in order that the island doesn't fall behind. We're going to do form. I have to say tremendous shout out to Marshkinazi for being here even though he's at work on the way home form. It's not easy for him and it's not easy for you to do one day, but we don't want to fall behind. take out some of the uh emails, just show you one or two things and uh we'll get into it and try to do a shorter shear so you could possibly do two daff. This uh was very heartwarming for me. So here we have a yeshiva andim and I don't know if this is magir his name is garzone from yeshiva's and he says just like inim where they are the yeshiva there's a group of guys that get together every single day over 10 people every single day and they learn mdy so he's recommending that his boys learn mdy shirim during benim and is promising them 200 shekel for whoever does it every day in addition to the 700 shekel that they'll get for whatever reason. And here he goes. [Applause] with all the AI. [Music] [Applause] It's happening boys. It's happening slowly but surely. People will realize that it's galdic for these boys to learn a little bit more this uh anti for guys. It's a thing of the past. It's an addition. It's not to take away not to be threatened by it. It's to add to what's wrong instead of doing who knows what or not doing anything at all just sitting in bed getting up late for etern not only is it not harmful it's so beneficial it's amazing the voice I want to tell you again I think this is a new one MDY Stanford Hill London satellite starting August 20th with and here are the details. I received a number of these emails. So I want to clarify something. The art and AI used to explain the dav brings clarity as well as enjoyment rather gishmak in particular. I enjoyed the depiction of the story describing the gar finding a ring and having the being he got a few whacks with the stick over his head. He forced him. The learned three things out of it. However, the AI depiction seems to be flawed. Rashi says that he didn't pick up the ring until after the was matalate but the AI shows are actually holding the ring and in possession of it asking the not asking the guy to nullify it I want to be clear so during shar said a number of times that you cannot make a kenyan in something and then ask to be so even if the ai is shows that he picked up the ring you have to say The is he saying I am not being I think that should work but let's just be clear Rashi says he did not lift it up because had he lifted it up with the intent to be then it would be and then cannot be forever perhaps this warrants a correction best regards Cedar New York from This individual is asking me, he has a bobblehead of a sports figure. Wants to know if he must cut off its ear or nose. So again, I'm not a I don't ask for anyone. All I do is I bring up topics. I try to push people's buttons sometimes and bring up topics they don't even like. But ask your local rabbi what you should do. I'm not I'm not pasing because even if I see it before I'll just say I see it in the but I don't know maybe I'm not reading it correctly I don't know what ask your local rabbi I'm just bringing things to your attention and with that we're going to jump in to the sponsors the is sponsored by David Salomon dedicated memory of Dave I got your message I know that you're my ramm I'll meet you in person Soon anonymous anonymous may our learning be a shield of protection and a source of unity and bless my father TCS Israel power weekly daily anonymous for the safe return of all the hostages for we should We shouldn't have any more hostages anymore any more deaths no more. There's so many we really need. You need that connection to the relationship. MDY art monthly forestern. If a worships a mountain or a hill, same idea. Can a guy make the mountains? No. He doesn't have the right to make the mountain. The actual mountain is meaning if you were to decide to carve out a stone from the mountain and use it in your home that's under if you want to plant on the mountain. But what's the layer on top? If you plate the mountain, let's say with gold, you have the picture here. Let's say you have a goldplated mountain. Oops, I messed up. Here we go. The glow, the goldplated mountain, the gold would be aeros because the silver and the gold on it, you're not allowed to desire. You shouldn't have any from it. Rashi says an amazing here says Rashi as follows and I will read you know what let me just say and then I'll read because it's a very important Rashi says that if some we just established the mountain itself doesn't become of a desire you can't make a mountain of a desire you want to see it was created from created the mountain you don't have the right to make a mountain I saw them discussing as says all mountains are so then it comes out that isar you wouldn't be able to build a base of mig impossible so if the mountain is not what if somebody takes a sheep and sacrifices its it to the mountain the mountain is not of a desire so what did he Listen to this unbelievable. The sheep does not become a des because it's an aid. You're shifting it to the mountain and the mountain is not a des. But the individual that did that will get mis will get the death penalty. Why? I guess because it's in his mind. He wanted to rebel against the he was successful in rebelling. So against the mis but the actual animal does not become at all. It's a tremendous. We think if it doesn't become a desire, so then he shouldn't be liable for he shouldn't get the death penalty. So let's see inside the second word from the top just the first word we take out. You could go a little bit before that but it's fine. We just want the main point. If you in in honor of the mountain that's not considered those who worship get they do get you get the death penalty even though it's not considered that's to make the actual thing aer They had they had intent for that. That's why they should be this whole beer situation. I don't know if you noticed it's very itchy. It's all part of the we haved. Next time you see me hopefully be without it. Maybe one or two more. We'll see. And the is going to ask is basically repeating what we just said. So the finds what does say their gods are on the mountain? The mountain itself shall not become of a des but what they worship on top of the mountain that does become a var something like this that's the mountain itself does not become a des but the little guy that you put on top of the mountain that becomes once again the same idea the their god that's on the hill but the hill itself does not become a god doesn't come up with now if we follow this logic so what about a tree a tree on a mountain isn't a tree part of the mountain a tree is tree is connected to the mountain so a tree should not become of a deso that's what the Mishna asks and the Mishna says no that's not the case So if so the famous case of a which means tree how do you make a tree also isn't it connected to the ground if it's connected to the ground it should become says the I forgot I should have put it in for this year and the reason is says the because it's human intervention the there's a human that planted the tree it wasn't from that came down. A human being planted it. If a human being didn't plant it, it will be different. It will be part of the mountain. But when a human being intervenes and creates something, that's something that can become and anything that has human intervention planting it. it becomes also says let me explain to you the logic here let me explain to you what's going on you have these three things you have a a mountain you have a hill you have a new tree a green tree he argues he says no the is not coming to say anything about the the trees the saying you should just know you want to find out the Zara look for that tree. Which reminds me the famous story with Ellie Cohen the the uh spy in Syria. So one of his tricks was he convinced the enemy to plant eucalyptus trees wherever they had a a bunker where their soldiers, the Syrian soldiers were hiding. He said, "Listen, these guys is too hot. They need some some shade in order to provide them shade and then be protected from the enemy. Plant eucalyptus trees and they listen to them. They fell for it. And then the Israeli air force came and wherever they found the eucalyptus tree, they they they put a bomb there. And that's how they got rid of many many of the Syrian soldiers. Says, "Wherever you see a tree, when you see a mountain, you should know there's a hidden over there." says to so we mentioned in the Mishna just to make it easier both everybody both hold that if you worship a mountain nothing happens it's absolutely it's zero you didn't you didn't it didn't affect the mountain at all you cannot make a mountain of a desire they both say the same thing so what's the difference between the two of them says I'll give you two differences What about the plate? The plating on the on the mountain, the gold plating. Is that considered like the mountain? Why? On the one hand, it should be buckled to the mountain. If it's part of any any goldplated item is like part of the item. No. Or perhaps not. It says no. It's no connection to the actual mountain. It's a piece of gold on top of a mountain and therefore it should become also what in the adds even though it seems to be saying the same exact thing as he says no I want to tell you when you plate anything you plate a mountain with gold with silver it becomes buckled to the mountain it's part of the mountain just like the mountain itself does not become of a desaro so too the plating doesn't become of a desaro Another difference says the no there's no question that the gold is not part of the mountain and in other words it becomes also so we we have this little chart here and we're going to be using it a number of times today so get used to You have a you have a plant. You have a tree that this individual planted. He did not planted. It's not at all. It's just a tree. And then he shows up and he worships it. So the is according to that's the but according to the whatever grows from the tree after the worshiing not before after the worshiing becomes us. So take a look. He walks away and now a branch grows. That branch becomes red becomes according to where the tanakama holds that branch is not why just like the tree itself says is not because he didn't plant it for. So you can't make something that grows from it. Let's see. A tree that you planted and later on you worshiped it. Why? Because there's no human intervention. In other words, there's no human intervention for the purpose of Whatever grew afterwards, not the first part. You can never retroactively make it. Let's just do the sponsors. So don't forget turn global MDY is enjoying the benefit of mistress. Help MDY create more mistress. Anonymous Where do we see this? I can prove it. Because the mission says why is an tree? I I thought it's part of the mountain. The mountain is not. So the the mission explains because it was human intervention. And here this is the key word and anything it should have just said because this human intervention. Why say and in other cases also if there's human intervention also what does it come to include? What else are you trying to add here? Oh launch is coming to include our case where guy planted a tree not for and two years later he worshiped it. So anything afterwards becomes a says the Gmorra. Okay, that's great. So that's says you know what has a partner his name is also not he says the same exact thing. The two say the same thing. What? You have a tree that was planted. Let's show the thing again. Why not? You have a tree that you planted and afterwards you worshiped it and afterwards a branch grew. That branch says just like becomes red becomes It says their gods are on the mountains but not the mountain itself shall not become of a the hill does not become of a continuation of let's see the inside look at the on the mountains and on the hills and the continuation is so if you I want to use the common theme here and the same logic would say that the tree is like the mountain and like the hill just like the mountain hill do not become so the tree doesn't become a desire they the tree itself should not become but that can't be because it says you shall burn that tree that tree so You can't say there's a global rule that a tree doesn't become have a desire. Here you see there are trees they have to burn. So listen to this. There's a little bit of a of a calculation here. We have a contradiction in the on the one hand it says the call which fits into the as saying that a tree should not become of a desire. On the other side it says that a tree does become of a desire. So you have sort of a contradiction. So the easy way out of this contradiction is very simple. You'll say the tree that was planted for a desire from the tree that wasn't planted you don't burn. Even if you worshiped it later on how come the gar doesn't say that because hold that if you worshiped it afterwards it does become a desar. You hear the rao because if it didn't become a desradiction again we have a contradiction one more time we have a contradiction we have two one says which would mean that a tree is like a mountain like a mountain doesn't become of a desire a tree never becomes of a desire you have another says this is from that you burn of a desire tree so which one is it do you burn a desire tree at I have a simple way out of it. You should burn that desire tree. He's talking about a tree that was planted the shame of a des burn it. The other the says you do not burn trees is because it wasn't planted for but it was worshiped when it's two years old and you don't burn it. How come the Gimar doesn't answer such an easy answer? The answer is because you do burn it. You're not you don't burn you do burn it just like they both hold that if there's a tree that was worshiped later on in the tree's life it wasn't planted but later on somebody decided to worship it so every branch that grows afterwards every leaf that grows after that point is must burn if that's the case that anything that's woripped as of you must burn so then why is The txicates which seems like you don't burn says good because he's coming to teach us rule that we saw in the mission of I'm going to explain to you a cohen or Ellie Ellie Cohen the the spy wherever you find the high mountain and a and a and a hill and a tree, a fresh tree. You shall know. So I just want to show you this little chart here. Super super simple. The entire we have number one that says what do we do with this PK? There is no argument. This puzzle comes to say one. The what? A tree that was deliberately planted for a des she must burn. Everybody agrees to this. Now what do we do with the secondar is going to introduce a second is gonna say actually that's the main p. And the reason why we didn't even talk about this is because it's like we're trying to say that without the first okay we'll see the but what do I do with just see if this thing moves no what I do with this according to the sees that is referring to our case of a person who planted a tree not for our desire two years later you decide to worship it. Then everything from that point becomes of you have to burn it but don't hold that you don't have to burn it. So what do they do? So they're going to say that there's three steps when when goes to there's three steps. Step number one, as you see on the chart, you come in there. So, first thing you do, chop, chop, chop, break the desires. When you're done with that, step number two, you go and conquer the land, go to war. Step number three, then only then you burn. Break up the Zara, conquer, burn. That's what I learned from. So, now let's see. Now that you know that, that's pretty much the hair. What? What do they do with the first? Let's get back there. Here we go. What do they do? this is how you it's for a tree that you planted it to begin with for the intent of I mean they also need a positive for that that if you planted a tree for that and if that's the case how are they going to know the harder case the bigger case that if you planted it not for but you worshiped it later it also becomes so that's why we put over here as you on the chart. Everybody agrees even agrees. It comes to say that if you planted a tree just for you got to burn it. So how do we know that the bigger case that if you planted it not for but you decided later on in the tree's life to worship it, it is also and you have to burn all the the the parts the whatever grew afterwards. Right. The you shall cut and you should break down. What kind of tree do you uh what whatever grew from that point? In other words, the what you cut you grew is asser. But the the main part our case where he planted a tree and it grew a little bit. That's the and then later on he worshiped it. So any all new parts you must get rid of the famous Abraham Lincoln. You could you could take from a guy. He said, "If I was given six hours with an axe to chop down a tree, I would spend four to sharpen the axe and two to cut down the tree." In other words, what he's saying is that to prepare the preparation is more important than the actual doing because you can do and do and you'll work many many hours, many days, many months to accomplish something. But if you don't have the proper preparation, it's not going to work. But if you have the prep preparation then everything goes smoothly says the where did you come up with this here this right over here the second we're talking about how do you where did you come up with this right says says talking about says no no no it's really but the reason why we brought we're saying if you wouldn't have said it in other words what the re if it wouldn't have said then I wouldn't know then I take the say this is talking about a tree that was planted but in other words you need it's a combination of the two now that it says the other brought in originally so now is extra and what I'm going to do with the extra should this idea of a tree that was planted regularly and then later on in his life you planted you decide to do a desim that was sent to Sabir Siberia in Hebrew Sabir was sent to Siberia and on the first day there they were given these small axes and said chop down these giant trees the tree that you know three or four people could stand around in a circle and try to hug it and they won't get their hands all the way around and The Baham were very very depressed and and discouraged. They looked at this tree. It's impossible. This is a 400 year old tree and how how are we going to chop it down? There's one B that took the axe and started chopping a little piece little piece at a time. And they asked him, "What are you doing?" He said, "I think it's important for me this thing." He said, "I'm not thinking about the tree and how long it's going to take me, how many weeks it'll take me to knock down this tree. I'm thinking about the next chop. Chop. Chop. Chop. I do one chop and that goes. Now I'm thinking about where is the next one going to go. It's one daf at a time. It's not 2711 because that's way big of a number. It's way too big to to to comprehend. Although we we did the se now and time flew like this. Then again it was just my anniversary yesterday. 31 years like that. 31. It's like it's unbelievable. You have a little baby and you go into a bris and all of a sudden he's a 30-year-old this kid. So blood that's how life goes. But you don't you don't think about 31. You don't you think about today. What are we doing today? How are we accomplishing today? How do we do today's what are we doing today? Not how are we gonna do 2711 who argue and they say that if you planted a tree for for a good reason just to plant a tree and then two years later you decide to worship it that tree is mut you can't make it. So what do they do with which learns this case that would be they say it's so what do they they learn what says and that's what we have over here you see this first of all look at this uh right over here. He planted a tree and look at the little guy all the way on the left. Now he bows down. Later on when the tree got older, he bowed to it. But what say? It goes in three stages. First when you come into chop down then you go to war and you conquer. And only when you're done conquering then you come back and you burn. That's the chop down comes before conquering the land and after you conquer the land then you burn. So I thought about this immediately and I was surprised that what I learned so he didn't mention anything about it. I I searched around and I saw that literally word for word is what Rabis Salanter says. But I think we could even add a little bit that what that when it comes to mid first you chop afterwards you could burn and eradicate. In other words, let's say a person wants to work on his anger. So first don't get angry when something happens you tell yourself I'm not going to get angry you cha then you can think about once you do that you can think about how do I eradicate that how do I make it to a point where it doesn't even bother me I'll burn it from the from the core I'm going to burn the the roots that's that's a different step first you got to first you got to chop it down you can bring this to many things I was talking to my son I'm in this house now. So he told me I said what happened you used to play a lot of chess he get became a very very high level chess player I remember you know 1100 1200 whatever it is they rate you today it's unbelievable I wish we had it when we were bakar you play against different people around the world and the more the people you beat and then you they rate you and it was like an addiction every time I saw him he's playing chess chess chess he said you know what I did I I took the the the the app off my phone I got rid of it I'm done. First you chop. Then maybe I don't know I didn't go to the next step but as a muscle maybe you have to think why am I playing so much? Why am I on my social media so much? Why am I YouTubing so much? Maybe that that's step two. But first eliminate the app. It's a good decide for everybody. Eliminate then think why. Another shot you could say has to do with the d like raba says ligisbar something like that what was it on I think it was let's see it's one it's my favorite line I should know what daff it is yeah See, I don't know if I'll ever remember the words because of my memory. No, that's not what I'm looking for. First, you learn, chop, chop away at the D. Chop, chop, chop, learn, learn, learn. Then go deep into the SARS and try to figure everything out. Because if you go if you try right away to go to the bottle, you'll be stuck on that base for the rest of your life. Chop chop chop. Later on, figure it out, says the Gara. I don't want to skip any words cuz I already got uhounded. You know what? I'm already here. Let's go back to those. What was it? I'm just on the bottom of two people wrote in or even more. So that I know I said but the son of David said I want to rule. I thought I said that. I could have sworn I said it. Okay. He tried to put the crown on but it didn't fit him. Okay fine. I'll go upon him. Where are we holding over here so we don't skip? Oh no. No. [Music] Right. First you break then you conquer. Then you burn break their and then leave it alone. break their their stones that they do and leave it alone. How could you leave it alone? You have to burn first come in, break it, then chase the enemy, destroy the enemy. When you don't want step two, then you do step three and that is burn and I guess we could do but a different time chase and then burn using the extra but you're already using to say that if a person worships after he planted the tree not before planted but after that he also has to burn it. How are they going to learn this? If they used up the already they have another the double you shall destroy destroyed first destroy then burn it. So if so learn with these two words, oh I need it for something else. When you uproot, when you break down the vizar, make sure that you don't even have the roots remaining. Uproot it completely like this wood cracker. Whatever that is. I don't like this as much as the last one. This is mama shoping. Not this. Not this. Okay, I'll show you one here. One more and you'll see exactly this. Here we go. The entire tree with the roots, everything out God. That's what the Torah is saying. What's the obvious question? And I clearly know this one or [Music] you know it get rid of the entire name everything. No. Then the question goes back to what going to do with amazing when you see it has a name give it a derogatory name call it embarrass it with a bad name how do you know that you have to uproot top of you have to uproot it. What does it say again? Oh, here's you have to give it a derogatory name. Maybe you should give it a name. It doesn't say what kind of name. Maybe give it a good name. Givear a good name. No, no, no. What I meant to say is Don't give any not be par be a nice guy. Don't give it a give it a different name but not a bad name not a good name like a sheets like a like a a bad creature. Okay. What does that mean? If the name of the was higher up is a high thing high ground high whatever you want to call it high you're going to call it your derogatory name is it's a low life it's a lower level thing let's say the name of the face of a king what are you going to call it pelv we had that over there that the gar took out the word keelv and put in the word melik and rashi puts the word melik okay but those are two interchangeable words and the two opposites. If the name of was the eye that everybody looks up to, you're going to call it a thorn in its eye. I hope you have a meaningful fast. And if it's after the fast, I hope to see you merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.