Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 89a

Okay, good evening everyone. We're continuous. I think it's amazing that today's gar is discussing the we len this morning. Okay, so the mission began on discussing the parad of a widow or divorce will be affirmed. meaning the obvious now the explained obviously it'll be affirmed there's no one to an so what what's the a woman who she says I'm after 30 days even though she marries within 30 days cannot be anulled why it goes by the time of the nether time of the nether she hadn't she wasn't married and she got married. Well, we we already learned that a bal is not made for remember that that a husband cannot anull that were made previously. Now the Mishna continues. This is where we're up to if she made another in the domain of the husband made he could have null it. Kate said how? Let's say he says I'm going to be she says I'm going to be in a after 30 days and then even if she became an almano or a gusha within 30 days she says I'm going to be ner after 30 and then she became an ammona or a gusha within 30. But meanwhile, the husband anolded haram mufar. It is an because in this case it also goes by the time he made the nether not goes by the time that she made the nether and the time she made the nether she had a husband. So in case one she made the nether at the time she didn't have a husband and he can't enul it. case too. She made the nether when she had a husband and he couldn't know it. But the mission says if she made another on the day she got married, the day she did uh and then she got divorced that day and he took her back. He can't be made for the nether. So even though in this case she made the nether when she was married but then she got divorced and the husband took her back. He can well here's a rule anytime she leaves her own domain even for a moment. You cannot cannot anull the nether. Okay. Um here we go. Let's see the ran. The ran. I think for this we have to do a lot of run. Duran says the day like we learned earlier on she divorced on that day and he took her back for the husband cannot that were made previously. He only did. If he just did, he also can't do together with the father because since she had previously done, she left the domain of the father. Why does it say she made the that very day even though on that very day she was in her father's domain before she made the nether on that very day she was still in her father's domain since she did there is no even on that very Okay. Okay. Um says the garra we learned in aa if a widow or a divorce he says I'm going to be when I get married since she gets married. Soish says you go by the time the nether is and it's when she's married. So when she's married the husband could enull it. So according to goes by when the nether takes effect says he can't enol it because says it goes by when the nether was made and when the nether was made uh he when the nether was made she wasn't married says yali the simmon is the eighth day musical hit called Yali. It was before your times. You know, you're not gonna remember it. But what is exactly is the simmon? Uh the simmon is yali. That's the simmon. What does this mean? Let's see if we can figure this out. Um let's see. says you go not when you say Raba says you go when it was said now what exactly is this simmon now let's see does Rashi explain vim yi Take a look in the mafar in case one of the Mishna it says yafer right in the Mishna it's actually the second case of Um let's see the first case is yafair I guess the case of the Mishna nudger of the Hebrew may that's yafer then case two is Then case three is laafer and case four is yafare. So let's see how this plays out or maybe it's going on the first BA says that's the YA says then as opposed to this next case a married woman says I'll be in a when I'm divorced because it's when she's divorced and he's not married because it's it goes by when she made it. So that maybe I think y means one we have two we have that's the yali in other words the the opinions of switch in number one it's number two basically they're consistent goes by when it's goes by Uh- when you make it. Um, now where does get his from? The says, in other words, where does get it goes by where it says the nether of a woman who's a widow or a divorce. Okay. So you can't which we learn out that means until the husband could only enol it until until meaning if not unless it's a nether at the time of ammonos and gerin. So if it meaning the hen the husband can't enol it unless it's when she's if it's when she's says that he can't be made for it because says it goes by when it's look in the one says means when therefore in both cases we go by the haned until there's is um sorry let um let's see the in the garraika noika says it goes by when you made the nether anything she answers on herself which means the husband couldn't know Unless she made it when she was in it's going by the time you made the nether look in Iran. I'm sorry when she answers herself. It all goes by the moment that you make the nether. Fine. The now if you look in the Mishna the Mishna says so even if she became an or if he the husband couldn't know it that goes like so the says the Mishna is clearly like Rabaka that we go by the time you made the nether there. Not at the time that the nether said it could even be like I butish says it goes by the and in this case it's after um the husband died or divorced So how is Rabish how could Rabish be compatible with the Mishna? Raish says it goes by the and in the Mishna later didn't Rabi say explicitly um says you could as opposed to Um so the case of is exactly parallel to and she became and yet says so how could be consistent with the Mishna the answer is there's a difference if he says I'm going to be a nazer after 30 days. Or if he said or if she says I'm going to be a nazer after um the marriage is terminated. But says if you say that you're nazer after the marriage is terminated then it goes by when the isal and it's after the marriage he can't be made for it. But if you say after 30 days you're not inherently making it dependent on when the marriage is terminated. you're pushing it off to a later date. It happens to be before that later date comes, the marriage has been terminated. So, Rabish indeed says it goes by the but that's only when you specify that the will be when the marriage no longer exists. If you delay the and it happens to be at that time the marriage doesn't exist then would say you could anal it says in the Mishna she made it hinged on days in the she made it dependent on let's see the When does go by the since you made it dependent on marriage or gan the and the cannot be at the same domain. So where you're not making it dependent on on you're making it dependent on days. It's possible. And it's possible that the days were complete and the marriage didn't happen. could be both happened in the same domain. So then even if the domain switches two cannot be in the same domain. But if they could have been and they happen not to be then would concede it goes because at least in the beginning it was roy for it to be during that time. Now so therefore the garra says back to the If the days happened and she wasn't divorced, meaning let's go to the last case of the Mishna, not not the very last case. In other words, so it could be she wouldn't have been divorced in that case. Or in case number one, it could be she wouldn't be married. So even though she happened to be married, it goes by the am it doesn't go by the because the is circumstantial. It happens to be in the first case of the Mishna she got married when it's it happens to be in the second case of Mishna she got divorced when it was rebel says I only care about when it has to be the happened at a later time but if it didn't have to happen that way and it just happened to have happened that way then I'm not I'm not concerned with when it's I'll go by when it was made so rishmo is consistent with the Mishna Now we're going to talk about the last case of the Mishna Zahal. The cl is anytime she leaves the domain of the father um of the husband, he can't be made. Now what's going on over here? Let's see the the garra zalas the it says this means as follows. The ran says in previous it says If she did not go out into her domain for one moment, the father and the husband could be made for one. We're now examining what it says in the earlier perk zakl that if she never left her own domain then her father and her husband are made for her nadarim. What does that in what does that come to include that she never left her own domain? Let's say like this the husband sentim to retrieve the woman and the father went along with them. So he never relinquished her or or the agents of the father accompanied the agents of the husband. If she was a n and she did but she never went into her own domain that her father and husband could be made for her because she never went out into her own her own domain even momentarily. Now that's the what about the we're learning. Let's say somebody wakes you up in the middle of the night. Let's say middle of the night. Somebody said, "No, what are you learning? Which perak?" I'm just telling you now. You know, it's good to know. It's like sometimes you have like bak at the table. He's spending his whole day. He's learning, you know, gar. He's learning one. He's been learning the um for last three and a half years. He said, "What perk you're learning?" Can't he can't answer. He has no idea what peric is. But it's always good to know to be able to say what perk you're learn. You're learning. What does it mean? Says, you know what it means? Anyone who went out into her own domain for a minute, the husband can't be Mafer. If the father gave her over to the agents of the husband, so that's considered that she left the father. Now the husband cannot anol that were made previously because once the father or the give her to the the father's uh relinquishes his rights over her. So from here in the husband could enull all the but he can't be made for says the in our as long as she didn't go out into her own domain for a moment the fear is So that's talking about I'm sorry what it said in that namely even though she is going with the but since the father or his agents walk with them and walk with her she has not left the domain of the father and the father and her could the father and the husband can be made for an meaning what we say in paragasa namely it says over there if she did not leave the domain of the father both of them could be made for her nadarim it says as long as she didn't go out into her own domain the the father and the husband could be made for nadarim that that means means as long as the father or his agents are walking with them. And now what it says in our that once the father gives her over. But once he gives it over to them, the father has no because this giving over is like the husband could be from but the previously made like we started this year. He doesn't do it with the partnership of the father. Meaning even with the partnership of the father, the husband cannot be made for because once the father gave her over she leaves the domain of the father and he has no in her. That's the in our parak. Okay. Now we uh start a new Mishna nine cases we'll start it there nine kinds of naro that their nether stands and they cannot be enulled. There are nine kinds of women that leave the domain of the husband and their nadarm cannot be enulled. Look in these nine women, they could be um they're all encompassed in three cases. You could have an orphan girl and the father still alive. How's that? She somehow left his domain. Or vameish, an actual orphan. or a woman who reached age. So either a real or in each of these three cases she leaves the father's domain only lists those three cases that the ran mentioned further subdivides these three categories each one into three of them that only really said it said to sharpen his but not okay so tomorrow we will get into what these nine cases are but really there are three cases you saw And by breaks them down, but just for the sake of sharpening his tummy. Okay. Have a amazing night. >> Recording stopped.