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Okay, good evening everyone. We're
continuing.
I once went to afarim
and nobody knew and he said simlash
geilta fish.
Yeah. Okay. So but I don't think in this
uh daf we encounter gilt fish but we do
counter the sheet of
holds that if somebody makes a if the
husband is made for the nether that is
afflictive to her
the is
that
he is only enoling the nether which is
afflictive and he's not made for the one
that's not afflictive
as opposed to
the name of Shel
who says that by enoling the one that's
afflictive he is perforce enoling the
one that is not afflictive fine so the
garra is challenging a
who's asking on him
I don't Oh, who is the Balamera who's
asking this question?
Did we have any specific
um makshin?
I don't think we did. So, I don't think
there's any way to know who the makshin
is. Okay.
What?
>> 8382.
>> What?
>> Just quoting the page.
>> You're saying raasi?
>> Yeah.
>> Based on what is a raasi,
huh?
We didn't have
all we had was Raasi said in the name of
and some say Raasi asked
and responded.
Now when the garumar said before, do
they say it's raassi?
They do.
Maybe
beforehand there was
maybe we need to know what the word is
means.
That would be nice if we knew the exact
terminology of but otherw I don't know
what that's based on. Okay, here's the
question.
A woman who made to be
and she became
and then the husband
she brings the carbonas of a bird. Okay.
and
she doesn't bring the and also she
doesn't bring the carbon that we learned
about yesterday says wait a second
if you're going to say that the husband
is only anulling that she's afflicted by
maybe he's only enoling the wine that
she is afflicted by if she doesn't
partake of it.
Sah maybe he is anulling from wine that
he has
um
but from m that she doesn't have he's
noting there's no there's no there's no
um there's no if a woman can't be matame
in other words she she said amino that
entails two things she's not going to
have wine she's not going to she's not
going to be matamem Okay. So, he's
presumably only able to enol nadim that
she's uh afflicted by.
He's only able to know that she's
afflicted. She's afflicted if she can't
drink wine. She's not afflicted if she
can't be mame.
So why is the that she brings a
if she's why would she why would she
bring a
says
so they answered
she can't bear
to her why the says
and the living will place to their heart
it says
It says in better to go to house of
morning than to house of party. Why? So
the living should pay attention.
What is that? What what do the living
pay attention to?
One who gives a hpid others will
eulogize him.
If you cry over the deceased
they will cry for you.
If you bury the deceased in other words
what goes around comes around.
One of the things even though in the
muser
is interpreted pay attention one day one
day uh a person's going to die take
advantage of your life but the garra
says there's a more practical thing to
think about you need to service this
mace if you want to get a good husbid
you need to give a good husb if you want
to get a good kavor you know in other
words do shovel the dirt in a nice way
You want when you want go to shovel the
dirt, you're going to shovel the soft
dirt and put it and put it gently on the
guy or you're going to take those big
rocks and hurl it. You don't want them
uh, you know, hurling the rocks at you.
I'm only partially joking. In other
words, the service you give is a service
you're going to get. You give a good
husband,
you'll you'll get a good husband. And on
that topic, you remind me after the shar
I have one of the best alltime jokes.
Okay? You give a good husband, you'll
get a good husb
you could make yourself cry. You want
people to cry when you go. You don't
want people to start cheering, you know,
or saying it's about time. You want you
want them to cry, so you got to cry. So
therefore if she can't go to um a Shiva
house so then
she can't go to a Shiva house it's
painful to her says the
it's interesting the doesn't say
You don't bring in
there's no carbon for a partial time of
here on the round continues.
So it would come out that even after the
anulment of her
she still
she still warned on
what the is bothered by is wait a second
he's only a nulling part but I thought
we said before
what's the kasha
What's the Gar's that he only enols the
the
wine but
no means there's no nazerus on on wine
but not grapes or wine and not grape
skin but the wine aspect of nazer and
the tum aspect of nazir are two totally
different parts of the nazerosim
So to fulfill the whole count of the
since he's enoling the wine by that
affler
Okay
Mishna
newishna
let's say she says person's wife said
I ask her any han I get from people
she says I'm not getting han from people
the husband can't anul
which is a what do you mean can know we
said before even if uh she asked one
person,
she you might be able to enol it.
And even though she said, "I'm not to
get h from people," she could still
collect
and
if one or two, let's say, stalks um
fall,
they have to remain there. Shikha
if you uh left one or two bundles pa is
the corner of the field. So the is she
could still collect these things like
atik and pa
um
because as we'll see that's not called
getting hana from the owner. The owner
just leaves it and she comes and takes
it.
Let's say she says
from getting from me
there they could come and take his
they could take his micer against his
will.
Why? Cuz apparently a person has no
ownership of of his miser. So even
though he says I from getting enough
from me, it's not called I'm giving it
to them.
However, if he says
these
then he can't give it to them but he
could give it to other
and we'll have to see why that's not a
says
that which I benefit from people should
be also to me like
you
said earlier if a woman answers
the husband couldn't know it. So here
you're answering all the people in the
world. It's a matter with the biggest
steer in history. Said if she answers d
from one person you could anal it. And
here we're saying if you ask her all the
people in the world you can anal
we
we concluded based on what said that is
like the Raban the Raban have a very
lenient view on
and what's
but our perk over here in our Mishna
It's
says abandon it and it's extra
doesn't say give it
the owners do not have the rights and
the benefit of giving it to who they
choose. So the owners have no rights
whatsoever unlike
Therefore, when when they take when she
takes
that's not called benefiting from
others.
So, she's allowed to if she assers
herself from getting h she could takea
then goar is going to explain this.
Fine.
The garamarra will explain. Now we move
on to the Gamarra.
And before we do that,
okay, says the Gumar
Alma Evitsami
delay. Wait a second. The Mishna started
off by saying if she said, "I'm not
getting Han from any people, the husband
can't enol it.
Really? Why can't he know that? How in
the world is she going to be supported?
How could not getting enough from any
people not be enues? You know why?
Because even though she can't get enough
from any people, she'll get enough from
her husband.
That means
a husband is not a person.
That confirms what you've always
thought. A husband is not a person.
Okay.
This shows husbands are not part of
people.
Does that mean they're an
extraterrestrial
life species? No. It just means that in
the vernacular in the way people speak
when a woman when a woman says don't
don't you know don't get down on
yourself. It just means when a woman
says she's not getting h from people in
general, she's not including her
husband. And that's the reason why he
can't be made for it because it's not.
Now, let's see the
You know why he could be made um you
know why it he can't be made for it? She
could benefit from
Why could she benefit from lachea? She's
not poor. She has a husband. You can
only takea
if you're impoverished. She's not
impoverished. She has a wealthy husband.
She has her husband's American Express
Platinum card. So why could she take
leaka? that's worth more than um the 200
that makes you uh exempt from
not able.
So the fact that she could take leaka
means the husband cannot support her.
So we see the husband is a person.
Let's see the
says around
At first we think
the says she could benefit from
it's not
it's not the conclusion of the
time
the reason is
the reason
the reason he can't be made for
meaning at first we don't say that the
statement
of the safa of
it's not a conclusion of the race and
giving a reason that you know why the
husband can't anul it because he she
could really collect like aa
why
Because if the was a reason, it should
have said because
because
the does not imply a reason.
So therefore the Mishna is not saying if
she assers all people he can't be made
for because
she could collect like a then it would
say the word
So rather the husband is not
it's because the husband could support
her.
And also if the husband could not
support her,
another reason
if you're going to say that the husband
is a person
and the reason why he can't be mafur
is because
she could collect like a
Really? That makes sense? You're saying
nobody in this world could support this
woman and this is not eno nephesh. We
just learned in the previous Mishna if
there's one store that she can't shop
in, it's eno nephesh. But the fact that
she can't be nana from anybody that's
not nephesh, that doesn't make sense.
is gray is the husband than all people
worse than a store.
So there are two reasons why
the statement that she could get like a
pa is not a reason why the husband can't
be made for her. Number one because it
doesn't say the word because and number
two if she couldn't be nana from the
husband. But the reason he can't be made
for is cuz she collect collect a chicka.
It's not mustab that if she can't be
nana from anyone and she has to rely on
a chicka that's not afflictive to her.
So must be
it must be the reason it says he can't
be made for
it's because the husband could support
her
because the husband's not a person.
So the question then is so why could she
collect like a
skip to the next round.
Well, then she can't eat from the
husband.
So, we're going to have three answers.
You ready?
Really, a husband's not a person. And
when she says, "I'm not going to be na
from people." She could still be Nana
from the husband.
And that's a reason why
And that's a reason why he could be he
can't be made for because she could rely
on him. It's not afflictive.
Another reason it can't be may is
because she could benefit from
I we ask but if the husband supports her
she can't be benefit from ampa
it means there will be situations where
the husband might become poor and in
those situations
um
she could rely on leaka
and that's why he can't be made
Let's see the run.
Really the husband's not a person.
That's why he can't
cuz he could support her.
Even if the husband is a man, he's poor,
he still can.
So you'll say,
does that mean she's user to the
husband? No.
She's not user to the husband.
Because if she's to him
because she could benefit from
alone.
We don't say
we don't say that you can.
It's not that she's user to the husband
because if she was then that would be
enough of a reason that the husband
could be made for. So the first answer
is like this. The reason number one that
the husband could be made for cannot be
made for is because he could support
her. So it's not afflictive. And even if
he were to become poor, he still can't
because she could just collect like a
really a husband is a person. When she
said I'm not getting her enough from
people, she meant the husband.
I
So what's the reason he can't enol? It's
like it said because the reason he can't
is cuz she could collect like
the Mishna is giving the reason.
What's the reason he can't it?
because she could benefit with
says
it's saying what's the reason
what's the reason you can't
even though it doesn't say because
the because is inferred
It's said in a style of what's the
reason? So you'll ask well wait a second
if a husband is a person and she can't
get enough from any people including the
husband.
So what happened to the question of why
is it if she's merely ushered to the one
store that the husband could get credit
from he could anal because it's
afflictive. Isn't this for sure
afflictive
tua? There's a big question according to
is the husband worse than a store that
he can only collect from there?
Even says it's nephesh.
The answer is not legislated by the dafa
shvua program. Also,
I can't really understand it.
Um, let's see. Let's we'll try, but I'm
just I'm just excusing myself. The This
is where it stopped being legislated in
the but we'll give it a shot.
Interesting. I never saw a with the
name.
Here we're talking about she collected
where the
you know we're talking about over here
there's so much
available there's so many there's so
many very very generous ah that's the
answer
it's not afflictive you know why cuz one
of these you know the neighborhoods like
on purm you have some groups what did
you collect collect $17.33.
Other groups, what did he collect?
$170,000.
What? Yeah. I went to this kavir. He
gave me $50,000.
You know, these 10 year olds, they come
back from collecting on Puram. They're
different neighborhoods. Some
neighborhoods, they're really they're
rolling in the
give generously. So
that's what we're talking about.
That's why we have to change the
I where do we see in the words that it's
common? It says
she's able to it's a situation where
it's very likely for her. It uses the
word
I but earlier
we're talking about a store where it's
the rainy season and there's not so much
leae around. So that's answer number
two. Answer number three is
you ready?
I just want to point out that
the majority opinion is a husband is not
a person. Most most authorities rule
both and say
a husband's not a person. But that's a
good thing cuz when she as getting
enough from people, she doesn't mean the
husband. I if she could get enough from
the husband, why bring in the second
part of
let's see she's divorced.
So really she could get enough from his
property.
So why does it say the factor she could
get like a comp? Let's see the
This is why
you can't
because look if she can't get her from
him even if she could collect it's
afflictive
you know and he doesn't buy oh we'll
talk about a case where there's an
abundance of no the only way it's not
afflictive is if she could get enough
from the husband
What if she's divorced?
So now it becomes afflictive.
There's no it's not called I'm getting
from the giver because the giver is not
giving it. He's just forsaking it.
And as
the is once he divorces her then the
husband becomes a person again and he
can't bear.
So,
so the answer of is really the reason he
could be made for it, he can't be made
for it is because it's not afflictive.
She could be na from him. And what's the
second part of the Mishna? The second
part of the Mishna is
if he divorces her and now he's one of
the people and now she can't get enough
from him. She could be Nana from like aa
could he then be made for it? No.
Because he's not the husband anymore.
That's why if he divorces her Yeah. But
oh, he should be able to be made for it
cuz it's afflictive. Yeah. It would have
been nice. The only thing is what
happens when somebody gets divorced is
they're not married.
Yeah. Okay. That is pim the three
answers of
rava raman.
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