Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 7b

okay welcome everyone we continue in Z we're going on the mishna the uh the mishna said that if you say so we learned yesterday that says that that you're not because it doesn't say it says he's so you're not said if you say that's definitely everyone would agree that you are user in that case and the reason is cu when you say uh when you say that is a of it's a of everyone agrees that's even if you say again the r always holds throughout for it to be effective you have to say sh and the reason why is permitted because that is not ation of but you can't put someone's food in when do they argue if you say if you say then every that's when there's a now I just want to clarify it's a but does not hold your is says it's distancing and he's he's not certain he's not saying but he would be the it's a of and therefore it's permitted so but everybody would agree that Mish is M okay the question is nadina I'm sorry the question is Mana is Mana Aion of detaching or is it ation of this understanding of and the other and the r this understanding Papa disagrees with RDA why who there's a guy the who [Music] said that he's putting in the the possessions of the son nobody is concerned for R's that m is what do you mean but RAB only held is he never said no apparently um held that even held M and he said look nobody is argue about and he's just saying that by m nobody is for RAB aa's strict opinion okay that look in the run on it's one 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 n 10 line 11 lines from the bottom the time the reasoning of since he's placing on himself like again the he's coming to in other words is of the opinion that sh you could create like a sh on food says we don't pass him like Raba like said nobody is for Raba furthermore the is like but not like the I'm but not not against the okay now the gar goes on to a new point if you put in his presence you can only release him in his presence if you put him in not in his presence then you could release him whether in his presence or not in his presence says the ran what's the reason if you put someone in in his presence you can only release him in his presence so simply you would say well maybe it's more strict if you do it in his presence the ran learns differently the he first around says well since you put him in his presence is strong can only be released in his presence similar to what we learned in G that any matter that is conducted in front of 10 people you need 10 people to undo it says this is not the the is not when you put someone in his presence it's more and you can only undo it in his presence the the reason is because we're worried about suspicion fun of if you're going to release him not in his presence sometimes you're going to release him and the guy who's in won't know he's released and when you go talk to him and deal with him and go in his he's going to be surprised he's not going to realize you undid it and he's going to think that he's going to think that you could be lenient about when you don't uh acord yourself with the laws of is going come to suspect you but if you put him not in his presence and then he sees that you're being lenient He he'll figure just like you put him in not in his presence you also undid it not in his presence then there's no because even he holds maybe you mattered him not in his presence just like you not in his presence fine yeah sure and then he said that that is that how's that work shoot the gar shoot the gar and get the know override the round okay good question the gar gon is not speaking about the same point the gar gon is talking about what isar talking about it might be talking about there right that's something someone put you need 10 people to undo so you mean from there we see that there is a concept of strength of a right and and and he's telling us this also but he's saying but he's saying no there's a different reason so then why is this reason not a good reason what happened what happened to this or or or the far the far is is obviously impenetrable either so I okay you look the next line of is saying that this is similar to what the says on that if you're and the says explicitly that it's because of now by the way the between these two reasons that according to the first reason if you according to the first reason it would not be effective but according to this reason of if you went ahead and did it it would after the fact be effective other words according to this another would be let's say you told him hey pal we were and so there are two one is and one is does it help if you tell him I hear thean is more inclined to follow a logic that thei learns on I hear your point if you hear your friend say the name of God in vain some say this would apply even for you have to put him in if you don't put him in you yourself should be in or are in or should be in why why you yourself wherever the name of God is mentioned frequently poverty is found poverty is like death the proof is back to all the people want to kill you have died namely I we know that they were alive the proof is they were alive many years later in times of wherever the rabbis put their eyes right so that's a proof that must have become poor even though you could say how do you know maybe uh they became or they became blind so we know they didn't become blind cuz later on in they said we'll see in the Run how do we know they didn't become a we'll have to see okay wherever the rabbis put their eyes there's either death or poverty so fine let's see the r the r says we learn out from the words Hashem your God you should fear that you know to say his name in if you don't put him he himself should be in it doesn't mean that you are automatically for not putting him in or you are then here the automatically puts you in it means you are worthy to be put the one who mentioned himself he himself is not automatically in he would need to be placed in so certainly someone who H him is not automatically in how could someone who listens and is silent worse than the one who said it himself even though maybe you could argue that the guy who said it just said it the guy who heard and was silent verified it he he authenticated it like because the one stamps it but but here it's not like he stamped it just didn't protest okay is providing a reason for that which it said cuz now it's very strict the their poverty is found how do we know that poverty will be found where the name of God is mentioned in vain cuz God says wherever you mention my name correctly their wealth is found blessing is found just like mentioning hashem's name forah brings and wealth mentioning in God's name in vain brings poverty so this is an unknowna for wealth if you're when you make and you have it brings wealth that's an easy way to be to be wealthy another proof is the fact it says by swearing falsely in it will bring Destruction for even his wood and Stones it will bring Devastation to your property so that's for a um false and in tamura it Compares being says they didn't actually die Alazar the around whenever the Torah uses the words they were in because they became poor it says they died I don't we have other options maybe they became uh blind or or they didn't have children the ran says it has to be they became poor it can't can't be they became blind the says on the second line CU in they said you can't say they became lepers leapers they it says they died in the midst of Israel they were in the out of the and you can't can't say maybe they were M and then they were healed Because by the agal they went back to their M and maybe it's because they didn't have children well if it's because they didn't have children how could I Hashem tell M don't worry go back to Egypt all the people who want to kill you they died meaning they don't have children well they could that's not a very comforting reason to okay the next round says we see they're equal fine said I was standing in front of he heard a woman who mentioned God's name in vain he put her in and he permitted her immediately in her presence we see from here three things so we see that if you hear someone mention God's name you have to put them in we see that if you put someone in in their presence you have to you have to uh remove it in their presence now how do you see that how do you see that if you put someone in in their presence he have to do it in their presence maybe he just happened to put her to remove it in we also see there's no minimum amount of time you have to be in you could be in only for a tiny bit you could it could be removed immediately connection have to do it wherever the name of God is found anus is found what's the source of that the ran said well either from the fact that where you mention hashem's name properly it brings if you make it mention it improperly brings or if we learn it out from Z why is it relevant why because the way okay the way I'm understanding it is why do you have to put the person in because when a person mentions God's name in vain think what happens it brings CLA to the to the surrounding area the person could lose his money that means the environment is affected so just like you could lose just like the house could be affected the listener could be affected so therefore you have you you you are in danger so you have to do something to get some kind of kapara say that what I can't hear well what what I'm not hearing okay you'll tell me after Okay um meaning if if the environment is affected the listener should also be affected [Music] um okay could put himself in and could remove himself what does that mean the ran quotes the Raja that this is only the case in a situation as we're going to see like marra that you're not really it's only that you're the maruch put himself in out of respect for the raban but if you need to be inid then you can't permit yourself you can only permit yourself if you you only did it like out of a courtesy but then the ran says that's not the case you could be made for yourself in all cases and that's the of the r let's see the says says it's obvious so the r says how could it be obvious we don't even know yet that it's limited to a case where you should not really be in in the first place so from here the ran proves that you could always matter yourself um from I would say someone in jail cannot release himself from jail say you could take yourself out say what would an example be thee sh when a young Rabbi needed to be put in so felt it was like the meaning to the in general so in order to show some kind of Kiser or he would put himself in so first he would put himself in then he would put the young RAB and by the time he got home he would release himself and then he would release the Barb RAV why would he release himself before he got to his house the r says on the bottom line he didn't want the people in his house to have to distance himself from from him so he first mattered himself and then he mattered uh the Barb RAV yeah hold over here everyone yeah I hear you now uhhuh sorry