Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 79a

Okay, good evening friends. We're continuing in where learning Nedarim 19. The Gemara quoted the statement of Rabbi Chanina. Rabbi Chanina 19 B said When do we say the shtika for a day is a that's if you silent to uphold it, but if you were silent to cheaper her. If you were silent to to agree with her, to aggravate her, then you retain the right to be made for the Nedarim. >> [snorts] >> Okay, so we're up to 19 B. Two lines in the bottom most of the bottom. Let me offer. There's a stringency of upholding over annulling. Over annulling and a stringency of annulling over upholding. Stringency The stringency of upholding that shtika makes it honest. Silence could affirm a Nedarim. The shtika silence cannot annul a Nedarim. >> [snorts] >> Another another stringency of affirming believe by If you affirmed in your heart, it stands. >> [snorts] >> So these are two stringencies of over annulling. Silence works as well as believe by works. Katani But it does say it makes it honest. That shtika upholds a Nedarim. My love I'm not so mega. Well, it doesn't specify. So, isn't it talking about where you were silent in order to uh aggravate her? So, it says, "Well, no. Let me show you come last week and we're talking about someone who's silent to uphold it." So, the mayor says, "Well, wait a second. If you were silent in order to uphold it, I knew key and believe I came. Isn't that the same stringency of if you did it in your heart, then it's then it's affirmed. What's the difference between Sh'tika Mekayemes and Key and Believe I came? If Key If Sh'tika Mekayemes is not talking about where you did it to aggrieve her, but rather you did it uh to uphold it, isn't that the same thing as Key and Believe I? So, the mayor says, "No, it's not." I mean, the show's six time. It's talking about where you were show's six without any specific Kavana. Now, let's see the run. Sh'tika Mekayemes Kol Sheshasak Anyone who's silent Kol Yom Hash'tika Kol Yom Sh'miyah the whole day that you heard it. Key and Believe I came She In Sakla It's a sauce if you don't have to announce it with your lips. Hafair Belibi Einai Mufar If you know that in your heart, it is not annulled. Ad Sheyotzi Bisvasaf Until you until you annunciate it. Now, the There Here's a run that is not uh a a certified run, meaning the Daf Hashavua does not require us to learn it. However, I require you to learn it, okay? We must see this run because there's a critical Rabbi Akiva Eiger on the run. And any day you see Rabbi Akiva Eiger is a good day. So, I can't withhold it from you. The next run says like this, "Hofer belibo in a mufar if you know that in your heart it's not an odacha you should be mufar." The Ner Mitzvah in a deal final shehi mekayemes. We learn it out from being silent on the day you hear it, which upholds another. The time am I What's the reason it upholds another? If the whole day of shmi'a passed without you hofer and you didn't annul it, golia da'atei she roitzah bekiyum shel neder, you're revealing that you want the neder. Alma >> [snorts] >> We see that if it's in your heart to be mekayem a neder, that's enough. It's the Torah gives you the whole day of hafara, the whole day to annul it misha'am da'a da'arva shimsha because until sunset lo muchach midi she roitzah lekayem. It's not muchach that you want to be mekayem it to dem a basar achi. May for long maybe you're going to annul it later. Kiyum debasar da'atei bechudas leidan. Because we go by your da'as alone. From here we learn the choshev kayem belibo kayem la'altar. From here we learn that anyone who's mekayem it in his heart, it's niskayaem immediately. Dehav like ilu avar yom shmi'a. It's as if the day of listening has passed. Meaning, what's the run saying? How do know that if you are you affirm it in your heart that it's a good affirmation? Says the Raan, we learn it from the fact that if Meaning, where do we get it from? How do we know that if you affirm something in your heart, it's immediately affirmed? Oh, says the Raan, from the fact that if you're silent on the whole first day, that's considered an affirmation. Why is it an affirmation? That affirmation is if you remain silent the whole day, you're showing that you want to affirm, even though you didn't say it. That demonstration is clear once the whole day is over. So, if a whole day passes, we could deduce that you want to affirm it. That means key ain't believe by. That means you could affirm in your heart. Meaning, the Raan is saying, "Umina." "Umina." From the fact that if a whole day passes and you're silent, it's an affirmation, but you never said you affirm. No, you did do say you affirm. From there we learn out key ain't believe by kayam. >> [clears throat] >> Fact of Rebi Akiva Eiger, how in the world could you learn out from the fact that if a whole day passes and the guy's silent, that shows that he wants to affirm. So, now we could learn out that affirming in your heart works. No, you can't. It's only if you're silent the whole day, you're it's a much what you're thinking. It's much what you're thinking. Because the default is dvarim she believe loy have dvarim. Even if we could take a microscope and look into your heart, what you're thinking, that's that has no effect. It's only because when a whole day passes, it's not dvarim she believe, it's much that that's what you're thinking. But, just because that's what you're thinking, that alone's not going to do the job. Fact of Rebi Akiva Eiger, kasha Like certain cases where you're just trying to escape. How is it what's the right that if you're silent for the whole day of shmi'a? What we're what we're dealing with that shows that you want to uphold it. You want And it's and his kavana is revealed to us. That's why it's not a kiyum. But if you just uphold in his heart in a go go, it's not clear to everyone. Have a good go go go, it's not clear to everyone. It's like regular go go go, it doesn't help. That was how could you prove from a scenario where it's clear what's in your heart that it's it also works when it's not clear what you're thinking? >> [snorts] >> What kind of right is that? That's your big kasha on the unauthorized run. But the run is saying even though the is the is going on the kiyum. It's going on the half air. You know, you don't say anything from half air from from Sh'tika. The round is is saying you know how we know You know how we know Key and believe I key and we learn it out from Sh'tika be on me Shammai. The key maker says what kind of rye is that? Sh'tika be on me Shammai it's mukha. What's believe I? >> [snorts] >> I'm just saying Sh'tika when when the ball is Sh'tika. How do we know that after a day he wants to confirm it? Maybe he wants to be made for it. We don't know what's in his life. So the the process of just being Sh'tika leans towards being the key on as opposed to being made for it. No, but the round says because being Sh'tika shows that you want it. It shows that you need to wait a day because otherwise maybe they say right to the key on. Maybe I'll be made for it later. Meaning silence shows you want it. LMI What why? Because why you being silent? The answer is because I'm going to annul it later. But after the day passes you can't annul it. So now the round is says it's mukha what you're thinking. But if you just think it it's not mukha what you're thinking. Okay, that's the key maker's kasha. Let's move on. Says that now the key maker has a side point here. The side point is we find the stringency of upholding more than annulling. But how can we what's the stringency of annulling more than confirming? You could annul You could not hear a confirmation may not show you can't annul you can't undo an annulment. This we had earlier. Because once it's annulled, it's annulled. There's no way to we had this on the test. We had this 11 blood ago. Okay. Now, we're going to ask another kasha on Rabbi Chanina. What's the rub Kahana? The him ha ha reish sha ha reish laha. The him ha ha reish sha ha reish laha eisha. If her husband will be silent to her. Me yoy me al yoyim. The [snorts] he came as called the reha or yes called as reha. Asher Allah he came or some key ha ha reish laha be yom shamaish. So, it says ha ha reish three times. >> [snorts] >> What kind of silence is it talking about? The shoy sik am anas la meik out of custom daber. It's talking about even if you're silent to aggravate her. Ato omer be shoy sik am anas la meik out really are we talking about where he's silent to to aggravate her or in the shoy sik am anas la kayim or even if or maybe it's only talking about Right, we're saying if he's silent he can't annul anymore. And the bryce says we're talking about where he's silent in order to bother her. Ato omer be shoy sik am anas la meik out or even or ela be shoy sik am anas la kayim. Maybe it's only if she's silent maybe it's only if he's silent in order to uphold it. Says the mar ki shoy sik am anas ki ha ha reish laha ha reish be shoy sik am anas la kayim akasma already he says silence one time. Hamani mikayim ha ha reish ya ha reish laha eisha two times. The sure you say I'm going to ask him to make her a customer down there. We're talking about even if he's silent to aggravate her, still he can't annul it. T of da, this is a refutation of the opinion of Rabbi Hanina. >> [snorts] >> T of da, says the run, key aim in Yakhul Hafer. Key aim in Yakhul Hafer. Hafer in Yakhul a Kayem. Where was that? I skipped that, yeah? Key aim in Yakhul a Hafer. Hafer in Yakhul a Kayem. If you uphold it, you can't annul it. If you annul it, you can't affirm it. Lo Ha Milsa Lo Yakhimera Ha Kamay Hafera. This statement of the Braisa is neither here nor there. It's not a a Humra of either over the other. It's if you do one, the other one becomes impossible. Lo Yakhimera Ha Kamay Hafera Lo Hafera May Akam. Lo Amisha Humra didn't pick it for any particular Humra given that she mean on Dinay Akam Hafera. Once you're talking about the various Dinam of Akam and Hafera, money Ha Nami Vadai it counts as with them. Says the run, my love is sure to make out by feel lucky to make a MS. Yet it says Shtika affirms another kosher of a Yom Shmia. Lo Ba Shoy Say I'm going to ask him to Kayem She Yehei Ha Neder Mukuyam May Ata. That the Neder should be upheld from now. Humra Ba Hafer Me Nalan. What Now, I don't think that's our Gerson. Oh, it is. >> [snorts] >> The runs is a few um Love that for me now. The word minnow is not accurate. The whole way element in you. We're not asking where do we know it from? We're asking what is it? Minnow and usually means what's the source. We're not asking what's the source. We're asking what is it? The camera is we could be matter a hot comma she and hike him. If you affirm the shallow love, you could be matter the affirmation. The oyster young schmear. >> [snorts] >> If you undo it on that day, the offer by the young and then you could a knowledge that day. By the way, I think we discussed this. When you undo an affirmation and now you want to a knowledge is it only if you a knowledge that day? Or what if I undo a confirmation 3 days later? Could I Could I then do it on that day because that was my earliest possible day. If I'm not mistaken, it was my wish I knew. The runs says it's only on the young shammy. And I could be made for that day. >> [snorts] >> The in the shallow and a lot of them offer if you a knowledge of the young shallow, then you can matter of about the ice of our own. unconditional to uphold it. When uh this is very important. When it says he was silent, that's talking about shtika amanas l'kayem. Now, what does it mean shtika amanas l'kayem? Shtika amanas l'kayem here doesn't mean afterwards I'm going to actually uphold it. His das is that he's going to be m'kayem it when the yom sh'miyah passes. I will end that issue m'kayem b'shtika zu. His das is not that it should be upheld with the silence. D'i hachi, because if that was the case, heichi motzi mayfer the whole yom sh'miyah? How could he annul it the whole yom ha'sh'miyah? I mean, the pasuk says that he has the whole day to annul it. >> [snorts] >> How is that the case? If he was silent, and he wants it to be up he wants it to be an skayam with that silence, then how could he annul it that whole day? It means he plans on an [snorts] um upholding it afterwards. So, the halacha is he could still annul it. Filoi dami ha'shoiseg amanas l'kayem d'ha'man shoiseg amanas l'kayem d'ha'el. It's not similar to what we said earlier. So, the shoiseg amanas l'kayem means something bit differently than it meant before. Okay. The now continues. We're going to bring another to you after uh Now the is a question. The have a choice 6 time. How do you know one is talking about choice I'm going to ask the time and one is talking about choice 6. I'm going to ask the make up. Maybe one is choice 6 I'm going to ask the time. And one is choice 6 time. And in both of those cases >> [snorts] >> you could have known it. And in both of those cases after the day you would not be able to have known it. I'm going to ask the make up. Maybe you could have. Maybe you could have known. How do you know one is talking about choice 6 I'm going to ask the make up. Maybe it's talking about choice 6 I'm going to ask the time and choice 6 time. So there's the no you say TV. There are many extra him. Like we mentioned in the extra in the end of the it says you have to rush a third time. It says around 6 TV 6 TV. It says a lotion of three times. You have to rush three. And the end of the key law law law. Most of all another question I can answer The mission has said no I'm going to make another close to dark make up like I have to uh You're allowed to have known it before it gets dark. She have to rush cuz if you don't if you didn't have known it and it got dark and you have to have you're not able to have known it. What does that mean? >> [snorts] >> The law here is if there whatever time is remaining the husband could annul it before the end of Shabbos even if it's not needed for Shabbos because if he doesn't do it now he won't be able to do it later. Am I why? Why can't he do it later? He obviously doesn't want to uphold it. If you hold shasaka menas lamaykat, if you hold being silent in order to bother the woman doesn't uphold the neder, what's the principle of that? The principle is unless you want to affirm the neder silence is not an affirmation. So this poor guy who has 90 seconds till Shabbos is over. We say you better annul it cuz I don't know now he can't do it later. Why can't he say why can't I do it later? My silence is is not indicative of me wanting to confirm it. I'm just being silent. Meaning if you hold being silent to bother the woman is not an affirmation, what's the what's the logic of that? The logic is silence is not an automatic affirmation. It's only affirmation if I want it to be. So the guy with 90 seconds left to Shabbos doesn't want his silence to be an affirmation. So why do we say you better do it now otherwise you're stuck. Why is he stuck? He does that silence doesn't mean he wants to affirm. Am I le heavy kashoy sigam nas lamaykat? It should be like silence in order to aggravate her. Tiyov da. So this refused Rebbe Chanina. Says the Ran Most of Rava first wide line no jam chashecha avagav detoy sev even though he was ready refuted once. Moyes ve no alaysu. We we refute him again. So you say how many times you're going to blow him out of the water. Ben af kamina dimash kachina on peruk avahila. Ben af kamina is if you find an answer to the first question akati avah chakti of da. He'll be refuted for this. They're never enough refutations. You never would know when they're going to resurface. >> [snorts] >> Given why you could do it on Shabbos, even after the need of Shabbos, because the time is passing, like we explained earlier. If you say you couldn't know when you do it Cuz that silence was never that the nether should stand. Rabbonon, they ain't no may for nedarim. Certainly, if the rabbis would say you can't be may for nedarim that are not for the sake of Shabbos. So, shouldn't you be able to be may for it after Shabbos? You'd be allowed to be may for it later. The reason you're silent is cuz You didn't want to uphold it. I'll make sure you You didn't have any way to annul it. From here we see every silence upholds the nether. >> [snorts] >> One final refutation, must be Rav Ashi. Rav Ashi said, let's say a guy says, "You and me and them." I know my wife has a nether and I didn't know that I didn't know that I could annul them. You're fair. So, then the halacha is he's allowed to annul them. Even a year later, as soon as he finds out a husband could annul nedarim, he's allowed to. He's able to. Rabbi Meir says lie after. Uh no, I'm sorry. You're fair. But, if he says you and me and she and me and you and me and she and me and she and me and I know you could annul, but I didn't know this is a nether. He knows that a husband could be made for nedarim. But he didn't know that this kind of neder you could be mayfer. The mayor I mayor mayor says loyafer. So he's not able to mayfer this neder. Cuz if he knew that a husband could mayfer nedarim then that day is called Yom Shamai. And if he doesn't uh if he's not mayfer that day he's he's he's done. The mayor I mayor mayor says loyafer. He could annul it. Practic Gemara of Amay Why in Reb Meir do we say that if he knew you could be mayfer but he didn't know he could be mayfer this it's indi- it's a uh upholding lahavikashos amanas l'mecha. Why he never wanted to uphold a neder? His silence is not doesn't prove anything. Tiyufta this in fact refutes Rebbi Chanina. Let's see the Ran. I know the neder my wife made are neder of any other she is mayfer and I didn't know that they could be annulled b'Yom she shamati on the day I heard them she I didn't know that a husband could be mayfer the neder of his wife at all. Yoyafer. He could annul the on the day he learns that the husband could be mayfer the neder that have a lot of day Yom Shmiya for him that day is called Yom Shamai. Aval ad hashta loy. But the days before were not called Yom Shamai. D'lo mikri Yom Shmiya it's not called Yom Shmiya only when he knows the laws of hafara. But if he says aval in any other neder Let's say he says I know I could annul but I didn't know I could have annulled this. Shazam na na Reb Meir says, you can't. Since he knew the basic idea that a husband could have annulled the nedarim of his wife, that day is called the Yom Shmi'a. The Chachamim say yofer, he could. Since he didn't know he could be maifer for this neder, mikri Yom Shmi'a. So, what's the raya? If the halacha is that if you're silent to bother the woman, >> [snorts] >> you could still annul, which means silence in by itself is not an affirmation. It's only if you were silent in order to uphold, then why does Reb Meir say that I can't annul anymore? It's true I know a husband could be maifer but I didn't know you could be maifer for this. So, you say okay, but that's only a kasha from Reb Meir, but the Rabbanan say that I could be maifer. So, aren't the Rabbanan a raya to Rebbi Chanina? No. It's because the Rabbanan hold the lo ya'av Shmi'a. >> [snorts] >> That's not called Yom Shammai. If you didn't know that this neder is maiferable, it's not called Yom Shammai. If it would be considered Shmi'a, my delay delay He would agree that you can annul it. Reb Meir says you can't maifer. Must be that if you're silent in order to agree, it's not a hafarah. Therefore, we conclude the shoy maikad. Kistam for I'm not seeing Mayfair. You cannot LV on schmear of a bad. The choice of a national kayak. If you're silent to uphold it louder, then you can't even be made for Bobby Young Schwinn Yakama for a few Bobby Young. Hadrian Allah Nara Hamurabi. Tomorrow we begin the 11th the lunar arm. >> [snorts] >> The lunar arm. Okay, friends. Shkoyach. Have an amazing night. And it will be cuz you learn to keep it going. Okay. Shkoyach. Recording stopped. Playback.