Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 78b

This Torah class is brought to you by tora anytime.com. >> Okay, good evening friends. We're continuing in says the holy gar the gar is discussing the sha of zahad. We learn from that just like on the one hand it applies to all Jews and therefore could be um applied to all Jews. On the other hand it says byaradim rash. So how do you explain that? So three regular Jews or one ma the garra said that bishame does not hold. So according to Shamai how does he know that three regular people could be matern the only way we know it is we make from toaram but bishame does not make so according to bishame how do you know that three regular hyoto could be mater says he learns it from raasi what did raasi So let's see again the lion is we read this last time but just to get back into item it doesn't say shabas there we pointed out it does say shabas in par in the par of the mayadim I'm sorry doesn't say the so this is the and had a he had a question on the he went to find he went to he didn't find him because was already on the way to he followed him It does say it does. We pointed out yesterday that right be right after paras which is it talks about does say it on the side. This is what the bry means. Let's explain the hashem need the kdosh ofdabious shabas does not need any sanctification. It's the day of need a expert. have ah so this is how B knows you could even have to be madim because asks what does a mean it doesn't say shabas it doesn't say shabas says nadarim but the emphasis on is only is it but shabas you don't have to proclaim and only do you need expert in order for bezden to be madesh you need experts but for nadarim you don't need experts says I but it does say you need experts by it says you need experts. Now that's when you're using one. When you use one, you need an expert. When you use one, you need an expert. When you use three, you don't need an expert. Foresh, you need three experts. It says may you need experts. But for Nadim, you don't need experts. Let's see the raan is found on says the holy You need a tadashim in order to make the mayadon shabases. Shabasdon is not required to be Sunday. In order for Shabas to bead only was said regarding is not mentioned for that Indian. That is what Benazi said. Thee were said that's what I said was said regarding that you need because of the Now, how do you see anything about requiring fores? Where does it say anything about experts? So, the ran says because that means you need two experts like them and you can't have two vain doesn't Now that's why we exclude Shabasim because they're in close proximity to the and yet it says so it's excluding something that's in the proximity of them shabis. This is excluded from the it's established on its own and the is excluded. if it does say experts. We see the reason why it says experts that if you have one expert that's enough and from the exclusion of it's teaching me that where their heads. Now, here's the milliondoll question. This is not a legislated run. Do not report me. The mashmo says that the type of you need foresh you need for now we know foresh you can't just get any old you need to get who could trace back to so is that true that you only you only um you would need for to be m he has to be a then there would be no such thing as a matter I've seen I saw once I was see a friend of mine go over to Ra Victor Miller he told him a he made Miller said on his own but he Miller doesn't have says says it says you need three um you need but you don't need when when you have three but when you have one you do need a As long as you're a expert Ravi the question is how's the Rama going to read the garra because it is mashma that the requirement of byesh is a requirement for all three not by all three but it is a requirement by one. Okay, maybe we'll see that [clears throat] in uh and share how the Rambam reads the Gar. We're going to talk about the of a husband who hears another and he's silentina. Rabi said if someone's silent in order to vex the woman, let's say he's silent because yeah, you're making another you know what I had to say about it. So, so, so don't eat chalant. See, what do I care if you don't want to eat chalant? You're making another not to eat chalant. It's a bad move. It's the best food you eat all week. So, so don't eat it. And he's silent to vex her. Then you can't, you might say, well, he's silent, so he's nah, he's only he's not really mimit he's only he's doing it to to to play with her. He's just trying to cause her then he could be made for for another 10 days and even longer. It says around five lines, six lines on the bottom. So that she thinks that his uh desires her it's not as he just wants to be made for it later. We're going to go back to aa that we brought already earlier. When do we say if the husband dies the rishus is emptied out to the father? As long as the bal did not confirm it. How? But what are cases that he didn't confirm this man the bal didn't hear it or heard it and he anulled it or heard it and he was silent. In all of these cases either he didn't hear it or he heard it and he nullled it or he heard it and he is silent on that day. Sham. But if he heard it and he upheld it or heard it and he was silent and he was he died the next day. He can the the father can enul it. Why? Because the husband for all intents and purposes was mimet. The husband was mimet. Yeah. Now it's saying that if the husband was silent and then he died a day died later he can um the father can enol it. What's the case that the husband was silent? Isn't it even if he's silent to vex her? And yet we see that's a doesn't that show it's a even if he did it to cause her now how do why would we assume it's talking about that case? They're talking about all cases doesn't limit it only to a case where he was silent because he wanted to be Mak says no he was silent in order to say that's the same thing as even though you can't no it's not one is he was and one is he was silent so the garra says No, it's only when he was silent. He was silent. Meaning either he was he he he unccommitt whether he wanted to be upheld or he wasn't really thinking. He didn't have a specific covenant. Let's see the run since it unqualifiedly said even if it's to vex her. So we see even a silence of that's trying to vex her would be upholding it. says he was silent. He was in his heart. H So now we're going to get an explanation. Why does the Gar say that's because we're going to learn and we mentioned this earlier. Even though for it has to be annunciated, you could even be make him in your heart. So if in his heart he had in mind to so that's says three lines and this is what is asking if so we're talking about if we're talking about where he wanted to be that's precisely like the case of The we mention here is not similar to what we mention later on like we're going to explain. Very often we find in two cases with one expression says we're talking about regular silence. But if he had in mind to vex her, that's not he didn't think in his heart that it should be that it should stand. But he also didn't think he wanted a vexer. And we will continue basm next week finishing the parak with dess and beginning the new perakum. Okay, dear friends, have an amazing night. >> Recording stopped. >> Thank you. You've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by to anytime.com.