Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 11b

okay good evening everyone we're continuing in yesterday last night we saw the opinion of RAB mayor R mayor holds we do not say m we do not infer from no yes or from yes no mayor holds you need to have a you need to spell out we do not say so now we have a Tanya we learned in the this food should be like whether you say what I'm going to eat is so clearly if you say what I'm going to eat is it would not constitute a NE or if you say what I'm not going to eat is M it's m if you say what I'm going to eat is of course it's m because what's wrong with if you say what I'm not going to eat isul the food that I'm not going to eat isul that implies the food that I'm going to eat is a carbon but that's also not effective because it's going like ra who holds we do not say not what I'm GNA eat from you now why would that be the only way to explain why not that I'm going to eat from you iser is because it's it's not what I'm going to eat from you it's not but rather it's a carbon but we just said that it's not red May the case oful is because that infers what I'm going to eat as a carbon so then why not when I'm going to eat from you why would that be so we're going to see the r says take that out take out that line take out the line see the when you say what I'm going to eat from you that's obvious that cuz you're saying what I'm going to eat from you is and what I'm not going to eat from you also true that he's saying that which I'm going to eat should not be but rather it should be a carbon CU I say what I'm not going to eat from you but I'm going to eat from you should not be but but that's still not effective why we establish it like he does not hold that we infer from no yes most have this it's very difficult says why would not what I'm going to eat from you the only way toer it is to say we're going to infer from no yes now the r tries something else the r says well maybe it's different because maybe you only need M when you say so first you have to interpret it not and then you have to say but carbon but if you say maybe lulin means but carbon it's not a maybe it's more explicit it's not true like ra because of this we establish the mishna not like ra because even if thear is it would not be a problem even for you need to infer therefore there are those who say we're not g at all okay the continues it's not when I'm not going to eat from you but rather what I'm not going to eat from you is a carbon M then your food is M the r says Okay so the the explains who does Thea go like when it says when I'm not it should be what I'm not going to eat from you but that implies what I'm going to eat from you is a carbon it's the it's who holds we don't infer from no yes I I tell me the latter case of the which literally means it should not be when I'm not going to eat from you m that's M right that's the it should not be when I'm not going to eat from you it's m but wait a second if you're going to say the say r r has another trick you know what R's other trick is we learned in it should not be a carbon what I don't eat from you it meaning what I don't eat from you should be ra o is the food that you're going to eat why if you say it should not be a carbon what I'm not going to eat from you that implies what I'm going to eat from you should be a carbon but that's reliant on why would that be we had a question on that doesn't hold so why would it's not a carbon when I'm not eat from you which implies what I am going to eat from you should be a carbon why would that be us may does not hold AB said there's another trick you see the words La carbon could mean either it should not be a carbon or carbon it should be a carbon so you'll say well even so why would it be cuz then you're saying it should be a carbon when I'm not going to eat from you no it becomes as if you said it should be a carbon and therefore it should be therefore I'm not going to eat this food so has a that the law could mean not and it could be is and since we will interpret in a way where if the guy's saying something he's probably trying to make a so we say carbon it should be a carbon therefore so then here also in the latter part of the we should say which we would interpret to mean it should not be the opposite of what we say by carbon because let's interpret it should not be therefore I'm not eat here too says this BR that we say goes like mayor it's a Tana that holds like re mayor regarding not saying but not agreeing to that the second statement will Define the the first statement by the way I just want to point out that even in the G's Kasha where we want to interpret it carbon I'm sorry it should not be and therefore isn't that relying on cuz you're saying but it should be a carbon so answer is not really relying on it because you're saying explicitly so we're not really relying on on the um this T holds like in one and he argues on him in another holds like by one he does not hold argues on him by one the carbon regarding the Carbon Let's see the ran no the the that says we're asking on the why would it be AER you're basically saying it should not be a carban what I'm not going to eat from you but what I am going to be for eat from you should be a carbon but that's but that's relying on this is to not be a carbon what I'm not going to eat from yours carbon what I am going to eat from your should be a carbon said it becomes like you say it should be a carbon therefore I'm not going to eat it since carbon is masma carbon it can mean to a carbon carbon and it's it shouldn't be a carbon in every situation we explain it language in a way here we'll explain it this is what the guy's saying therefore I'm not going to eat it we should say not it should be but rather it should not be and therefore I'm not going to eat it here we'll explain that means it should not be so that the ne will be that's the first answer the first answer is the T of our mishna holds like a mayor that we don't say but he does not agree to a mayor regarding that we say that the second statement interprets the first statement and it's one long statement of it should be a carbon therefore I'm not going to eat it we won't apply that here that it should not be but rather carbon and therefore I'm not going to eat it says another answer again the question is if this says then why do we say we should interpret it it should not be and therefore I'm not going to eat it says Rashi says because you're you're mispronouncing it you don't you're not using a gamar with n you see when I was a kid when I was a kid and dinosaurs roam the planet Earth they didn't even have art scroll you know that it's unbelievable it no this was still after ra and Rashi composed the gamar when I was a kid but it was before mad shatenstein and we used to use Sino and when you use Sino you realize that the Aramaic is easier than the English so you actually you learn how to learn gamar cuz you know you don't you don't know Queen's arcade English so you have to actually try to figure it out and then the art SC came out you know but I was already in high school so but why am I telling you that oh because now nowadays even though now they art SC and my kids you see they they they could give them gar with in it with in it can you imagine so we don't have that's why we read it so if it says it could be interpreted but it should not read it should be means it is so since it is you can't interpret it it is therefore I'm not going to eat it what the only way to interpret is it is what I'm not going to eat from you maybe what I am going to eat from you is a carbon but that's already which doesn't hold of when we're when the Mish said and we wanted to extrapolate well in a case of we should interpret it similarly we would if the if the was that like in that mishna but in AR the is but in our the is says the holy you don't have to say it's going like a who agrees by one thing and disagrees about the other no the T agrees entirely to to both of's he agrees we don't and he would theoretically agree to this principle of it can't mean it's not what are you going to say it should be that which I'm not going to eat from you but that which I am that it should be a carbon well that's not going to do you any good either because does not hold the other case of that whichi said when he says because there is no case of La the and the LA is a theoretical extrapolation from the case of La carbon so that which you want to and compare it it's true if you then we would okay Nar okay a few things you got to know um about this and a lot of things you have to know there's one Hashem hasem created the world there's no other Hashem but in terms of what you need to know for this is a carbon schl before your theam iser to eat and the reason it'ser it's K so it's okay once you sprinkle the blood you're allowed to eat it there's still going to be things he can't eat for example tum can't eat it and the matun are only permitted to the we're now going to talk about a process of the D called hatasa hatas is you don't say this should be a carbon you don't say this should be user you say it should be like something else that was already a something that you say that the item I stake in front of me should be user like something else that was user through a nether now what if you say it should be user like that the blood was sprinkled says give me a break if you said it like that then that the blood was sprinkled his M right but what if you didn't quite say it like that what if there was meat of aim in front of you that the blood was sprinkled and you said my steak should be like that well do you mean well that's M so this is M or do you mean like that is fund Mally and fundamentally that's aim it happens to be the blood is sprinkled but what it is in essence is Aim so and aim is now that happens to be but I said like that and that in essence is so the round's going to ask well even if you mean like that is now maybe it should still be user cuz that now iser to and the of iser to everyone so the r says lus you ready the lus is that when whatever iser there is after the the sprinkling of the blood is not it's just an iser you see when you make an it's Kim when you sprinkle the blood it's p that leaves any that remain let's say and that's it's not it's not so it's not that's the okay so that's why the sh is do you mean like that is fundamentally and it would be or do you mean like that is now and it's m i now it still has that is is irrelevant because that's not so the has a sh like this the [Music] asked behold this is upon me like the B of schlim after Zas behold this is upon me like the meat of the Carbono schlim after after the blood was sprinkled what's the says if you said that exact language being you know what the cas is you have the meat of lying in front of you and you have the of in front of you you say this should be like that what do you mean are you being m from that item what that item is fundamentally and fundamentally that item is or are you being because right now that item is because it's after says the r this is five lines from the bottom the blood of your you pour we're talking about the blood of the meat of in front of you after you sprinkle and it's lying in front of you meat Gab so you basically you have one meat of SCH where the blood was sprinkled and one meat of are you being in the before the or in what it is now comes the and the some ask even if you want to say that you're being that this should have the status of that that lies before you should still if it would be because of your then it would be the r says I'll prove to you the now is not but is just because it was to everyone after the sing of the blood the ne is and it's not because of to everyone it's just the that they placed on you okay that's it's an theam and that's the the is Kum is a form of prohibition that a person creates with his debor so it's it's but the that come after the that's if it was be no no there's no I don't think there's an before I'm not sure but I don't think there before just another what is he gaining by saying after throwing the blood if he wants to completely prohibited just don't throw in throwing thing oh good so that's why thear revamps the guy is not saying I want my steak to be us like that after the spinking of the Blood Cuz if that's what he said there's no nether at all it's just talking about there's a there's a schlim standing in front of him it happens to be you've SP you sprinkle the blood of that schim and you say my steak should be like that piece of meat do you mean like that piece of meat is fundamentally and therefore it's referring to its state before you sprinkled the blood or do you mean the way my piece of meat should be like that meat is right now and right now that piece of meat is M so therefore you don't mean to make another okay everyone good night I have a wedding tomorrow night that's why we uh fre