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Okay, good evening Rabbi. We're
continuing in
we're discussing the final case of the
Mishna where a guy said
I accept upon myself birds ram says
you're come say you're not another last
Thursday night we learned the logic of
ram is because there's a Daniel that
juxtaposes birds to hair and what the
guy means is
the mitzvah
when he says I take upon myself birds he
means the mitzvah that's associated with
birds connected to hair which is the
nazer
says it doesn't just mean because of the
justosition it's also because
meaning the guy says I accept upon
myself a mitzvah
of birds birds connected to here which
is the Nazer who if he becomes tummy has
to do birds and
that connection is established in the
but it's not just because of the
juxiposition
says
a person would not refer just to merely
something that is juaposed to it. Okay.
So says a person does not uh use an
expression based on what's juxtaposed in
a
soar says that's the opinion of
this is take this is take on the between
and
okay
says
Everybody agrees that a person doesn't
make a reference to what it says in a
this is the reasoning of it's not
because of that
we're concerned maybe the birds of a
nazer who became he is mabel upon
himself.
The rush says then his opinion
does not mean we suspect cuz if it's
only a sufficer
misake
and go bring your carbon into that
means
we presume and there are many examples
in shas where does not mean we're
concerned lest it means we assume we
assume Okay. The rash brings other
examples in where means we presume
we presume
it's not because of the justosition and
the it's because we presume says
at the end of the day it's only a
presumption.
Maybe what he meant to say is that I'm
going to bring birds of a volunteer
offering. You could bring birds of anah
or the like. Take a look in
it's found on
first wide line
meaning
the mitzvah of Nazeros that it's shak
birds of a nazer who became tame
says
It's not for sure. It's only a concern.
Now, I don't think that's arguing on the
rush. It just means
it's a presumption, not a definitive
conclusion.
Now, what is the Gar? Now, this is very
interesting. Here is where it sounds
like to argues on the rush
because now to explain why would I
assume that it means bird
nava over nazer.
Now, why is Tyus trying to explain why
we would assume a burden over Nazer? As
long as there's a doubt, it should not
be valid Nazeros because there's no such
thing as Nazeros. Butus doesn't say
that. He feels it's necessary to explain
why it's more reasonable to assume he
means
it's better it's better to say that he's
not accepting but rather a different why
it is not
pleasant for people to accept birds of
Nazirus which is very and it's a the
that those carbon are very and it's a
big hassle we it's more likely the guy
is bringing
okay says the garrak
like if the guy meant I'm going to bring
birds
for an adava he would have used a
different terminology. He would have
used a Kh a bird's nest says the
it's the of those who give is to say of
a bird to say the rush says wait it's
the
it follows the way people speak we we go
by the way people usually speak
says garamra uh
vidma.
Maybe he meant I take upon myself the
birds of a mitz. Now what do you mean?
But he's not a
what he meant is there's a guy down the
block who's a and he's going to be
responsible to bring birds. Maybe he's
taking upon himself to bring birth for
that says
to be
to bring instead of someone who has that
obligation birds
that word has to be uh polished a little
bit. The says
somebody who needs it for his.
It's talking about where there the
question maybe he's doing it for. Even
if there's no mits walking in front of
him, there's got to be some around. I
mean, there's got to be someone who's
speaking lash somewhere
and also
is a proper terminology for says no the
case where it works is you know when it
works if a guy says
when is passing in front of him says
it's amazing how many
used to be walking around
says the goar well even if there's a
nazer walking in front of him maybe what
he meant is not I'm going to be a msra I
will bring the carbon for that guy who
is a mitz the nazerban
maybe what he means is that
maybe the person walking in front of him
is a nazer and you're accepting upon
yourself to bring for this
says
even if there's a walking in front of
you therefore the ask
maybe when he says I bring birds lift
our
answer is the garra back to the ranch
back to the garra
No was walking in front of him. So he
could not possibly mean I'm going to
bring carbon for him. Therefore what he
must mean is I accept myself the process
of neros which if
ever come to tuma I will have to bring
um carbon ice.
answer what on saying that we ask him
what his intentions were
>> where the guy where the guy is um
Nazer
>> yeah it's the same question
so he said no
So that case the guy said a and there
was another
and the gumar says
maybe to from his carbon. So the guy
says, "No, I meant I'm going to be
another." So you're saying here also
if
>> he's using more words here, though.
>> What did he say over here?
>> That's what Ty said.
>> Harit py,
>> right?
No,
>> if we don't know what he's talking
about, then maybe doesn't work. You
know, if a person says,
you know, that was a very special case
over there where his theis over there is
his thought reveals his words. So doctor
ask why we say the same thing over here.
The guy says I was thinking I want to be
a nazer that's shimala on my words.
Maybe these words are so unclear that
that would not suffice
maybe
>> but
>> then say that it has to do with had to
be involved in his surroundings.
No had to do with what he was he had to
explain it himself. Was that the between
and
one second? Um
yeah. Yeah. Let's see this tyus even
though we're not supposed to do it. You
see? Look. You see? You see all the
gray? We only do the non-graay part of
the tyis. There's very little tyus
you're allowed to do. But because we're
so close, I know you won't report me to
the authorities. I think maybe Tyus asks
question here
about 10 lines down. He asks
The burus,
the ang
It's too little articulation.
It sounds like a is is going to if you
tell us what you're thinking it works
more by a than it works by
because
could just as easily mean
for
>> isn't it more than when he says
that he means he must be because that's
something that he can accomplish right
now,
>> right?
>> Apart from
contrast to
another
it's very speculative. So the should
just say no says
no it's much more likely that he means
that he wants to be a
>> what person is looking at
if he comes I'm going to
it's not so much
it's more likely that
he wants to become right now.
>> Mhm.
right here. Unless that's my
Okay, good question.
Um, let's see. Ver and the garra
says garamina
between
look at there's one line inus
we so far have seen two perman holds
that if you say
you're
said the reason is
based on the
said the logic is that it's talking
about.
So what's the between these two perm?
It's a little bit of a strange question.
What do you mean what's do you need of
which is what the garra says says
For example, if a guy said birds just
the hair upon me. So according to
it's only
and
it still works.
So what is the garra doing?
You need to say now all of a sudden
we're saying right the could have
answered simply the difference between
is do you need
to you don't because the guy says birds
he means birds near here and that's
meaningless no concept of
it's based on the fact that so what in
the world is what's between it's obvious
you need but now the garra injects do
you
When you say
since when do you need to say
aren't we talking about where you just
said
so
third line wide line is
that you accepted upon yourself
something juxtaposed to birds.
It's still
meaning in here another another problem
in where it has absolutely nothing to do
with
it's not because you're being the bird
to the hair. So then that's not needed
at all. The guy said it's talking about
where so that ingredient is not
definitely not needed in
so says it's not needed in
question is is it really needed in
now the has a new question according to
the raon do not subscribe to a person
being massar on a on a word juxtaposed
in the according to
nobody holds that you speak that way. So
the garra asks really
is there that a person is not in his
words that are close by learn
if somebody says my right hand it's an
oath
look in three lines in the bottom in
my right hand I'm not going eat this
loaf. It's aw.
I'm not going to eat this loaf.
So the is
the reason not
he lifted up his right hand
and his left hand to the heavens.
So we see that it's universally
accepted.
Musi
says,
"No, it's not because y is juxtaposed to
it's because the word yin means it's not
because it's close by in
How do you know if you say right handed
God's for with his right hand? The word
right hand means
that's a
Israel. Okay. Mishna. Okay. We're going
to wrap it up right now.
Now is not a partake of any grape
products whether it's the skin, whether
it's the seed, whether it's the grape,
whether it's the wine, whether it's be
and he also can't become tame or he
can't take a haircut. These are various
of the naz. Let's say a person just says
I'm not going to have grape seed.
Does that make him a nuzzer? Does he
have to say I'm not going to grape seed,
grape skin, grapes wine, not become not
going to take a haircut? Obviously, if
he says
that that's the formula of accepting
if a person says behold, I'm a from
grape skin or grape seedlas
or from haircuts
or from impurity.
He's a nazer.
says the
we're talking about the guy said one of
them
one of them.
Well, he has to accept upon himself all
the duk nazeros. By the way, toa says
the bottom to says why why does the
Mishna emphasize all the dict? Because
another shimshine
is allowed to be mameim.
Another shimshine is you're mameim.
So therefore it says all the
are applicable
says
the mission is not like
says you're not until you take an oath
from all until you uh are from all of
the particulars.
Even if you only say you're refraining
from one of them, you're my time. Why
does say you have to you have to be all
of them? The Pik says like this,
"Anything that comes from the grape of
wine,
from the skin to the seed,
says the rush, the bottom rush, second
to last rush."
Since it says everything that's made
from ge why would it have to say
it's saying if you want to bear you have
to everything
meaning
says
why say that even just one something
from wine and beer you refrain.
Why? It already says
why does it have to say
to say that even if you just refra say
I'm refraining from yan alone you're a
nazer
so that implies even from one of them no
that if you're lesser mitzvah even the
wine of a mitzvah
Just like another is not to have
discretionary wine, he can't have
mitzvah wine. What's an example of wine
that's a mitzvah
and is the mitzvah?
So wait a time out time out
kdesh and now obviously the gar means
it's a mitzvah dissa.
It's a mitzvah. Disa to drink wine at
kdesh kdesh is daisa.
Do you even need a
do you need a
for kdesh ordah?
That's
by the way is
and even if it is
and even if the isa
in other words drinking the wine isa
hold
it's not Evend
is and even if
it's not
and even if
it's definitely not to drink the wine
that's for sure only.
So why would you need a to say another
can't drink the wine? How how in the
world would he be able to drink the
wine? There's no mitza to drink the
wine. Nobody says there's a there's no
mitza ever to drink wine, is there?
We'll see.
>> That's true.
But the didn't give that example. You're
right there. Yes.
Yes. You have to drink wine.
Yes. Yeah. I stand corrected. That would
be a good example of
Mhm.
Okay, friends. Have a great night. Cult
of
>> recording stopped.
>> So, um, next week.
Next week.
Well, for right now, we're good for this
week. Take it a week at a time.
We're already somehow we did this week.
Everyone call up.