Daf Hashavua Iyun Sugya: Yevamos 62 - Pru U'rvu

this Torah class is brought to you by Torah anytime.com okay good afternoon everyone thanks for joining I like this subject very much I think it's a very nice lha subject and we have spoken about in the past but now we have the opportunity to learn it on the page I will refer you to R kar's note the AL the the first wide line in the G it's going on the last narrow line if someone had children when they were and they converted says you fulfilled says you didn't we pass in like there's whether it's only if the children convert let's assume for now even if the children don't convert not really relevant but is of the opinion that if someone had children when they were a and then they converted they are M the so says so I sent you the and it's number seven on the sheets the gamar talks about a guy who sometimes he is crazy and sometimes he's normal you know like most people and the sh it's p and he wants to eat mat and if somebody is they're not somebody's saying and the gar says basically it's not just the GU m he's shade he's he's possessed anyway so says if he ate the mat when he's a when he was shade when he was possessed and then he snapped out of it he's not the mitvah because at the moment that he ate the he was not but if he ate the mat when he was s so then he isah so Shas says from here we see the following principle that when it comes to it all depends on the time of the depends on the moment that you're the mitvah that you do theah namely if a person is and he performed theah the time so he fulfilled the Mitzvah if the person fulfilled the Mitzvah he not you don't get the Mitzvah so comes and he ask the following question how could say that if somebody had children when they were a and then they converted their M the Mitzvah the performance of the Mitzvah which presumably is the B the relations was performed at a time that a person is not are not that is the simple understanding of the that quotes over here the third to last based on the principle that any mitvah that told marish and then repeated to CL is only applies to CL is um that being the case the was performed at a time that you're not yeah that's the then it's a very fundamental question that's why we is this so the wants to offer the following suggest suggestion it's the and references another namely on the bottom of the page whether if someone had children and then the children died are the are the Mitzvah run says rasi says you are Mah because rasi understands the objective of puru is to get as me to empty out the container called goof and since since goof has been emptied despite the fact that the child is no longer alive one is M the Mitzvah ofu however says not says you're not the ofu because the purpose ofu is the purpose of is to bring uh to habitate the world and you did not habitate the world you tried to it was it was temporarily successful but uh uh the upshot is you did not bring more people into the world so if you didn't bring more people into the world so you're not the mitvah of you do not get the Mitzvah so and that's how he Pas certainly that's how so says the if the mitvah of is to have relations in a way that's capable of producing children then why if the child dies would we say that one is not what do you mean the Mitzvah was done already so say what do we glean from the fact that we Pas that if someone had children and children died that you're not theah what do we learn from that say we learn something incredible say we learn that the is different than all other mitzvah for example lul the Mitzvah of L is to shake the lul the Mitzvah of matah is to eat the matah however what is the Mitzvah of having children is the Mitzvah engaging in the B well nothing happened then nothing happened at that moment no nothing happened that day and nothing happened for a while so what is the Mitzvah of puru what is the Mitzvah of procreation the Mitzvah cannot be the Bea because the Mitzvah was why would the Mitzvah not be fulfilled if the children die oh the fact that we P that if the children die you're not the Mitzvah that demonstrates that the Mitzvah is having children being the parent of children which is a very unusual Mitzvah because that means the almighty is creating is commanding somebody to do something that it's not within their capability to do nobody could be the parent of children people could try to parent and father children but they may or may not be successful who knows if the person is fertile or if the wife is fertile or maybe they'll have 500 girls they'll never have a boy yetep the learns that if we told that the Mitzvah procreating is not fulfilled if the children die that means the result of the Mitzvah is the Mitzvah the Mitzvah is being the father of children therefore If the child dies you don't get the Mitzvah ah this explains R Who holds that if you had children when you're and then you convert your M the Mitzvah if the Mitzvah was the of the then the would have a good question the same way if you ate mat when you're sh you're not because the mitvah was performed at a time you're not the mitvah so likewise if one had children when they were and then they converted it should be that they're not Mitzvah but the mitvah is not theah if it was would never say that if you convert the Mitzvah the Mitzvah is being the father of children so the go Tony and Vanessa they wake up in the morning and now they're naali and and guess what they have children oh but they didn't do the Mitzvah no is not the Mitzvah the Mitzvah is being the parent of children Likens the to the is somebody um built the house when they were and then they converted and they put on the mza so oh you made the house as making the house is nothing just preparation likewise according to the is not the Mitzvah the Mitzvah is being the parent of a child in other words the T the shagas who asked the same way if somebody ate mat shade they're not the Mitzvah because they did the Mitzvah at a time that they're not in theah likewise if somebody had children when they were and then they converted they should not beah to which the um says no you're making a mistake you have to look at the down on the page that if somebody had children and they died one is not M the Mitzvah that indicates that the Mitzvah is not the B if the Mitzvah was the then you would have fulfilled the Mitzvah the Mitzvah is what the having the children and in that case even though the was done as go but if you later converted and now you have children you are the mitvah okay so the thing is that it's difficult to understand such a thing that the would command a person I want you to be the father of a child how could say that to somebody they um people go their whole life they have 14 boys or or they have 10 girls or uh they're not able to have so the the understanding of the parameters of is difficult there's a Mitzvah the to be the father of children usually God commands you to do something not to be something soin if you look on your sheet it's Mar number nine understands theah the and he brings the following R because asks a very strong question on himself do you remember the and in where you have half an half right you know this guy we call Mr EV he's owned by two partners he's NE Kanani and one of the partners frees him so the gumar says this guy is you know uh has a big dilemma he can't marry regular Bas because his half can't marry the B he can't marry a because his half can't live with the so has the following question this is a asks why don't we say say right you know what do we do with this so we force the master to free him and then he is completely free and he can marry a regular B so asks why do we do that let the push away the LA of the is living with a sh mean what's yesu here why can't he live with a sh oh because the is cannot live with Aya the half is cannot live with Aya as what's the is so let the of push off the lab of now if the was right that the is not the but being the father of a child then what in the world do let the push off the LA ofes what what I say the say is not fulfilled until two at least two years later when you're the father of a boy and the father of a girl clearly if to is asking that we should say that means to understands the is the not being the father of a child and to listen to to's answer to answers we can't say because the LIE your on the initial stage of as soon as the two uh come into contact there's an again the says what do you mean I hold you're not you're not until well later when you are the father of a boy and the father of a girl well the says I don't know my doesn't fit into T but it does fit into that if the children die you're not M the Mitzvah and if the Mitzvah was the B so they did ba so what the children died you already did the Mitzvah other words acknowledges the fact that is against him that learns but he says how else are you going to explain why when you had children when you were a GU how else do you explain why you're not if the children die so has the following amazing take on the ra says there is no question if T asks the Mitzvah push of the LA ofes there's no question then is the like the uh thought and the original um position of the T so say the mitvah of is but the question is if the mitah then why does say if the children die you're not the Mitzvah you already did the Mitzvah so what if they die so has an amazing says theah is for a man to engage in an act of that is capable of producing a child because anything more than that is not within human human capability and the cannot expect anyone to be the father of but says okay so there's a mitvah there's a mitvah of when do you become poter from that Mitzvah is there a Shear so a man has a to engage in the that's capable of producing a okay and at what point in history do you no longer have that obligation says once a person has a boy and a girl they are now exempt from the Mitzvah of having a boy and a girl is not a fulfillment of the Mitzvah like the says that when you have a boy and a girl now you're fulfilled no when you have boy and a girl ra says you're putter from the Mitzvah that's why the mishna says don't be from unless you have says a boy and a girl the mission doesn't say you're to have a boy and a girl no God can obligate a human being to have a boy and a girl it's not within one's capability God obligates the man to be involved in the me that could produce a boy and a girl and once you do so your putter in other words learns the who is being the father of a boy a girl learns is once you have a boy and a girl you're exempt from the Mitzvah comes says when said that if a person had a boy and a girl when they were a guy and then a person converted theot is it's not that you did the Mitzvah you never did the Mitzvah you're not gonna get in heaven for fulfilling puru because you did it when you were go but Heaven does not expect you to have more children cuz you're putter from the Mitzvah because you have a boy and a girl and that's why if somebody had a boy and a girl and the boy and the girl passed away now the reverts now the of engaging in a be that could produce a boy and a girl it reverts so in other words so other words it's possible to have the without ever even actually having done the mitvah right in other words according to when said your M Inu it's not really that you fulfilled the Mitzvah it's really that you're exempt from fulfilling the Mitzvah because you have a you already have an exemption you have your an exemption card I have a boy and a girl and if the boy or girl die then you need to your exemption card is gone so in other words a person and ra says this is very much in the Mish the Mish says you're to engage in the Mitzvah until a person has a boy and a girl so let's just speak at one by the way let's say a woman became a woman became pregnant in a bathtub meaning there's such a situation the man with bathing and the Zarah went into her as one m in the according to yes because there's no Mitzvah to engage in Anya the Mitzvah is being the father of a boy and a girl and if this is the Zera of the father so the father is the father of a boy and a girl according to the person never did the Mitzvah although they may be exempt from it if they have a boy and a girl here's another Naina and that is technically is it better to have get married and right away have a boy and a girl or it take all the way until the end of the marriage so you have a boy and a girl so according to the Mitzvah is being the father of a boy and a girl the more time you're the father of a boy and the girl the more you the longer you're fulfilling the Mitzvah so you get married and you have a twin boy and a girl right away so you did the Mitzvah right away and your whole life you're fulfilling the Mitzvah being the father of a boy and a girl according to there's no such Mitzvah the Mitzvah is the and your every and when are you exempt from the Mah when you have a boy and a girl soord to you're better off having boy boy boy boy boy boy boy and then end of your life having a girl so you were doing a mitah the whole time or vice versa so basically there are three ways to understand the mishna the the Mitzvah learns the mitvah is the the question on that is well why would sayah if you did and why would say that the children die you don't get the Mitzvah why not you already did the Mitzvah so the Mitzvah is being the father of but that doesn't fit into tus okay because then there's no on the and learns the mitvah is the and having the child is a and that fits beautifully into the mishna doesn't say to have a boy and a girl okay can I tell you one more thing just one more thought one more thought the Mish the said on that the Mish is not like Rua because the mishna says if you have kids you could beato from peria and rabish shua says no if you had kids when you're young you should have kids when you're old so the Mish thear says the mishna is not like Rua because Rua would say you cannot be even if you have children so I have one simple question how is the mishna like Rua the mishna is discussing the mitah puru so the mitah if you have a boy and a girl you're exempt from that Mitzvah Ru is talking about a different Mitzvah a different Mitzvah of um and that other mitvah is obligatory even if you have children is the the mission is not discussing that Mitzvah and I believe the answer is that the this is a is defining the Mitzvah ofu it says that the is to ensure there is viable descendants and continue to do so in your Youth and in your old age so if the Mna says you could be from puru that's againsta who says extends even to old age similar to the idea that when said that if the children die you're because it says and you're not being what does have to do with it's a different Mitzvah the answer is no is a but it defines and regulates the Mitzvah it's like the true meaning of the mitvah of okay thank you very much for joining the day and enjoy the rest of your 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