Controversy in the Holy City Pt 2 - The Rabbanim of Jerusalem Respond to Rav Akiva Yosef Schlesinger

this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay good morning everyone as we're all preparing for Rosh Hashanah we all know that this year Rosh Hashanah comes out on Shabbos and on when on Monday we spoke about the controversy in the holy city from Akiva Yosef Schlesinger who has a talmud of Sav safer who was born in 1838 and in 18 2 he wanted to uh reinstate the blowing of the Schaefer on Shabbos as the Russian Rosh Hashanah reports that the Riff was toike beshabis based on the mishnah and myself that says um and there's a macholicus is it only yavne and the said it seems like the opinion of the Riff is that you don't need a best than smoking so the cube Schlesinger gathered uh ashkenazic based in asphardic president and anaer of Rosh Hashanah they seem to have all slipped away and it seems like he actually blew Schaefer the Mako him however some element of support was given when Salah said that if he would have known even though he would not have advised him to but he would have gone to hear it behind the wall which itself needs explanation either it's a valid tequila or it's not a valetikia by the way three years ago when Rosh Hashanah came out on Shabbos we spoke at robikivagar Vegas is you're not Makai in the midst we know there's a Shyla in the reshine him if the rabbis say don't do the mitzvah for example the rabbi say don't say Krishna while leaning like they shame well what if you do wants to say that even according to those dice that when you don't listen to the performance of the Mitzvah you're not you'd say but yeah for you would be I say so Schlesinger was would be going according to this sheet of veger that if you do it you would be I'd say Schlesinger offered 13 arguments why uh we should be able to blow shoifer he suggested he brought a right from the fact that sarb pushes off is he brought awry from the fact we free inevit Kanani to make a minion even though they're the Israel the mitz is only and many reshine them hold like the Riff that you don't need a bezden smoochim plus the are very hesitant foreign the main dismissal of his argument is even if you find cases where perhapsody with Trump but we do not there's a general rule that is so for example he says chuva Clovis yeshnali kartana so there's one main answer to a bikini Joseph Schlesinger and that is you cannot compare rabbinic decrees one to the other and you can't judge from one case to another fine but let's get into some of the specific details of um why his arguments did not stand uh speaks about um very respectfully and very uh cordially about these arguments he doesn't um attack them with Venom but he does deal with them in a systematic way one by one number one that he says just because the gemara says that if was the erisa you could be movanta the Easter says it's an Issa and is Sir the erisa would have been able to push off in Issa durabanan of mevato so that's because pushing off an Instagram but we don't necessarily find the Mitzvah Dai Raisa could push off to make a minion so you see that you're allowed to violate a device uh to be makayam a Mitzvah durabanon even of arabim so certainly you should be able to be Movado a durabanon to mikaime Mitzvah the irasa of the rabbit says that when you're freeing an event is not a realistor it's not a real answer foreign is patterned after her name you know what you can free in Avid Kanani because you don't give Gentiles free gifts but in a situation where you're doing it for yourself you're freeing the event for yourself because you want a minion so then you're not violating so you don't have any you don't have Araya then a mits is pushing off okay fighter um furthermore the Run himself who the the schezenger said maintained that it's very difficult for the push off in Israel completely the problem is that Ron doesn't even agree to the Riff that you could blow shoifer bism so it's hard to utilize the svara of the run that the very hesitant to push off a director plus points out that the fact that we don't blow shoifer on Shabbos that's not called being oiker a mitzvah gamri you'll blow next week I'm sorry you blow him next year it's they're not permanently being Movado di Raisa they're only movato de Teresa and the rear instance where Roshana comes out on Shabbos I would also add there's a very beautiful chuva from the tset saliyazar that this is not called like the what the Tas hayadua says that you can't be Movado uh where the Torah explicitly says to do something that can't be mov because you have to understand we're not being movable this year so really yeah we're blowing show for this year that we're not when on the on the second day no but that's not the first day yeah so it's not called completely you see if let's say that would say don't do Milan Shabbos so then you wouldn't be doing the Milan Shabbos but over here the rabbis are not saying don't blow shifer on Rosh Hashanah they're saying don't blow Sheffer the first half of Rosh Hashanah but you're blowing it on the day of Rosh Hashanah which is one long day by the way I'll just throw in there's an amazing who says why is Russia I really have to give a share on this one day because you know what happened on the first Rosh Hashanah on the first Rosh Hashanah region was created on Friday but that night the sun didn't set so it was like a long day together with the Shabbos so the idea of is sort of a commemoration of that first day of creation of other mauritian and ganedan okay let's let's progress a little bit furthermore um says that um wanted to say well nowadays there's no real there's no real so therefore the xero is not really in effect he says that's not a compelling argument at all question let's say at the time when made xero you know how to blow shifer what if you're in a castle so you understand there's no zero you're going to come to carry the answer is of course of course you're not allowed to Once then the gazera applies anywhere even in Russia lest you come to Arusha sarabim so even if this man is since the gazeera was made at a time that there was that gazera stands and remains forever and ever it remain it it exists everywhere even where there's a um even we're in and even in all times when maybe there'll be an era where there's no Risha sarabim let's appoint guards to make sure nobody carries let's cement the chauffeur into the wall none of this helps era the gazero stands we're not going to start differentiating between specific circumstances and various circumstances you can't do that and therefore the bottom line is attempt to blow the shifar in your shalayim was not successful and finally uh says well I have a great idea it's true blowing the chauffeur internet and whoever is blowing it can't really do it but he should make the following equation what's what's more worthwhile nobody should hear the Schaefer or for him to violate their drop on them so everyone else could blow the Schaefer so isn't it cost effective and that isn't that a wise decision let him violate the drought and everyone else will hear The Cypher so says with all due respect if that's the case then rabbis takanas is uh down the drain gravis account is no one's allowed to blow shifer but what do you mean you could just have one guy take it on the chin for everybody else and we'll ask him but rabba said no no one's allowed to do it what do you mean no I'll do it Robert said you're now to do it rabo's talking to you and if rabbit said no one's allowed to do it that means rabba was saying no one's allowed to do it and and we're now that I asked somebody to do it part of the gazera that you're now to blow shoifers you can't blow server you can't ask someone else not to blow Schaefer now I want to tell you something I've been thinking about this the last couple of days there are a lot of amaram and there are a lot of tanoam and nobody made the xero until nobody's nobody is taking responsibility for this xero just rabba it's called gazera daraba there are few things we know about rabbit rabba had a good sense of humor rabbit was the one who began every share with a joke now I don't think this is part of his I think it's just the opposite the gemara also says they didn't like rabba Sunny like Kool-Aid pompadisa they didn't like him now you can imagine this was not a popular gazera I can guarantee you when rabba got up and he said I don't want anyone blowing the Chevron Shabbos I don't want anyone taking the Lula Von Chavez I don't want anyone reading the Magilla boom so you know I don't know that they probably ran out of tomatoes very quickly I don't think this was very popular you know it always said that's why rabba had a you know lighten things up a bit because this is a tough gazera can you imagine we have a court case we have we hired a defense attorney his name is Mr Ram we cut off his horn and we blow it that's our defense Robin said no no you can't use the defense attorney on Shabbos so how are we supposed to win the case you can imagine this was not this did not go over well if she doesn't thought of 13 Reasons Why you could do it anyway I'm sure in the times of rabba they thought of 130 reasons why it's not a good gazera but it is a good gazera and it's it's the greatest Missour you see what's the purpose I think rev Aaron says I have to look I'm going to talk about it tonight what's the purpose of the chauffeur to remind of the AKA what's yake the self-sacrifice is there a greater Acadia and sacrifice than to give up our defense attorney because we're concerned lest we violate uh carrying on Shabbos that's but you can imagine rabba's gazera didn't go over well but he was rabba's correct the balaturum brings Zariah to rabba the baloturum says even though it's a different rabba the battle term says when the pasig says he it's a reference to one of the decrees of rabba so we see that his Eminence is marumas at least in the sukum in the Magilla but the bottom line is Yosef Schlesinger was not successful in making this an enduring practice and the Riff may have done it but his tamidam did not follow after him like uh the rush rights and number 10 perk dalid or is cane and despite the fact that we visited the Riff very recently it's not going to be enough to uh blow the shy far this year Roshana comes out on Chavez well maybe you talk about ditch upstairs like this what do you mean everybody knows you don't blow the chauffeur why does it have to say yeah him [Applause] you know what a good day is a good day is Rosh Hashanah that comes out on Shabbos you know why it's a good day because here's the thing God's not a right on Shabbos same way we're now to write on Shabbos God's not all right on Chavez so the thing is even if somebody deservesa God can't write it because he can't desecrate the Shabbos so he said then how could he give us life [Applause] because God is bound to give us only life in such a year so Taco tonight at 8 30 we're going to speak about the makshava philosophy thought behind uh hash kafa of Rosh hashanahas this was more of a halachic topic and we're going to talk about it this evening 8 30 please join us have a wonderful day thank you you too I'm sorry what you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com