When will AI take my job?

Hey guys, you question. Is AI going to take away your job, my job, his job? >> Honestly, I feel like it might. And personally, I welcome our robot overlords. >> I think if it happens, let it be. There's going to be something next to do. Uh if it's not this, then I'll move on to whatever it is next. >> You're a coder. I spent a lot of time, energy, money with you. Do does that mean we're going to have to people are going to stop paying you and do you use currently use AI and do you see it getting better better enough that you don't have to be there but on the other hand I hear these big news story how these AI programmers are getting paid 10 20 30 gazillion dollars a year so on one hand you're hearing entry level programmers have no jobs on the other hand the professionals getting a lot I fear it might I fear it might get very very good to a point where you might not even need the programmer anymore. And uh but it is what it is. If it happens, that's what happens. I do use it a lot. It does help a lot. Right now, it's in a position where the programmers are using it and getting most benefit out of it and making a lot of money with it. And so, >> but doesn't it don't you build by hour and and you and you're doing things quicker now because of it >> and therefore you make less money. >> It depends on skill and how time is used. I find myself spending a bunch of time, you know, negotiating with the AI. Hey, is this are you sure this is correct? And why is this specifically done this way? And was this actually intentional? And sometimes it corrects itself. Sometimes I have to correct it. So there is time saved with a lot of boilerplate like just automatic groundwork all laid out automatically quickly. But then I have to go through it because I like I like to be mahadder with my code. I like it to be tiptop best it could possibly be. Shine it. Uh, you know, scrub it. >> How would you tr How would you explain AI to a regular dumb person like myself? What is it? Why is it such a big news? Please explain it to the common folk. >> Honestly, I just recently took a day or I took a few hours to explain it to myself cuz I I looked myself in the mirror and I was like, this is not real. This is an actual glitch in the system. Someone is pulling the rug under my feet claiming that there's this scientific computational explanation that this somehow makes sense to work. I don't believe it. It doesn't work. It's magic. The Aishair introduced an actual magic thing into the world, convincing everyone it's real and it's scientific and so I took a few hours. I looked into it and I started trying to understand it myself and it's it's unbelievable. I >> could you how do you translate? Just break it down for us. >> Basically, and every time I think about it, I'm like, "No, no way. That can't be. That's impossible. That's crazy." >> Okay, get to it. Get to the point. >> It has all of human written knowledge of forever. And when you have all of that in one mind that you can access all of it at any time, all of that content kind of speaks for itself in a way. It produces a result out of itself naturally. It makes sense. a human brain? >> No, it's not really a human brain. It's just if you have a encyclopedia of everything and you have also a system that is very good at looking up that wiki that that encyclopedia very quickly for exactly what you need and what makes sense to say right after that and what makes sense to say right after that out of all of human knowledge of forever which is mind exploding that's pabytes of information and you you can't you cannot you try to grasp it in your mind you can't it's It's still a miracle. Even after understanding it, it's still incred an an incredible miracle. But if you have all of that at your at your fingertips and you can access it and look it up at any time. Yeah, it gets you your answer. It makes sense. Actually, it should be able to give you any answer of anything. >> But why why are we scared of people losing their jobs? My father tells me that in the 1950s they had the world sphere in Brooklyn and he went >> Queens >> Queens and they had every company around the world uh they're um showing their newest products and my father said that one of the things he remembers as like a seven 8-year-old kid was they were saying that in the kitchen everything is being automated toaster ovens microwaves refri everything everything is being bread makers pure vegetable everything is being done you know mixers blenders and that women spending hours a day in the kitchen now they're going to be able to spend the whole evening with their family and spend quality time with their family. It never happened. Nobody has time. So basically, when people used to go on horse and buggy, hundreds of millions of people had jobs being wagon drivers. THEY'RE ALL LOSING THEIR JOB because Ford's producing cars in Detroit. They're all going to lose their job. It's all BS. Everybody has jobs. I don't know what goes on in the world of computers. I'm still using a pen and paper for a lot of deals I write up. My point is is that you are working in the world of technology. Won't every single person that's working in technology just figure out another job to be able to support their family? >> Has it ever actually happened that in those all those times that people predicted this is not going to go, we're going to lose jobs. Have have there been swaths and swaths of people which who didn't have a job after or okay maybe their oldfashioned job t went out of business but they didn't find some. Was it ever actually a problem ever in all >> the guys that the guy that rode horse and buggies or got a driver's license and now they drive Ubers? Well, now the Ubers are being automated. Hey, >> Whamo's coming to town. Whamo. >> Driverless taxis. >> Yeah, but the driverless taxi. I report news every night. The drive for a Jewish for a Jewish company. The driverless taxis in San Francisco over the weekend. You know what happened? >> What? >> There was a blackout for a couple hours in San Francisco and the cars all just stopped working. Hundreds of cars around San Francisco >> in the middle of the street >> because there was no red light, green light, yellow light. So, the cars just all went off. >> And they have to send hundreds of tow trucks to get rid of it because San Francisco is completely shut down. >> They couldn't send way more tow trucks. that real truth. >> Whatever Whatever it was, it was a huge scandal. We're not from San Francisco. We don't know this, but a complete gridlock. >> So, that wasn't perfected. You know, Elon Musk, I think they still haven't perfected the driver was cars. But now, a lot of taxi drivers, the same thing is going to happen. >> Is falling behind. Whamo is Google. It's not even Elon Musk. >> It's a whole competitor. >> Yeah. Anyway, >> makes sense. It's good. Competition is good. >> Yeah. >> So, but right now, you walk down the street, nothing changed with AI. The sidewalk looks the same. The traffic like in the news everyone's it's hype at this there's bits there's >> what's it called the Nvidia with the chips? >> Yeah. Yeah. Chips and all that. I'm not even sure what all that is all about. >> Chips means that they're high. Does it mean that just that enables AI because it's stronger powerful? >> I'm assuming >> here's one concrete example that actually affects me. I have actual gosh myistica clients who until today relied on me 100% for everything and now they are going to AI and asking it a question and AI is giving them a snippet of code and they're copying out that code and putting it into Microsoft Excel or putting it into Google Sheets and clicking play and it shows an error and they go back to AI and ask it to fix the error and it fixes the error and they put it back in and something works and they're like, "Oh, I did that on my own without having to Ask the programmer. So >> the programmer >> it's it's exactly it's not the full story yet but it's starting some clients have >> started starting to get nervous. >> Look in a good way. I'm nervous about it but like I said I welcome it. It is what it is and let let it happen. Adab let people let lay people be able to just ask AI get an answer get a program put together get a web page put together get a website put together without needing a programmer. That's great. Why should anyone be against that or say no slow down uh amazing technology in the world because uh people will lose jobs. I don't know even though I do feel like my job is at risk but hey something else is going to come out uh you know I'll do the next job of whatever it is that people do when there is AI doing everything. I don't know >> now with all new technologies like the web boom and then ends up being the web crash you know how much cuz like I said I'm not seeing re you're as a programmer you're seeing real people are relying you less dependless as a regular art peddler podcaster content creator I mean I'm seeing a I'm sorry I'm not as if I look down the street I don't see any difference this AI revolution I see a difference >> we saw ads and commercials everywhere I see a difference what you see >> so I I don't even know I don't know anything about chat GPT but I report news one of my jobs is I report news for a company every single night I report record news and then it gets broadcasted the next day for our paid subscribers and a lot of the times they don't have a the news desk doesn't get a chance to write up the news so they just give me bulletins so the nights that they give me bulletins I used to like work really hard I used to put it into Google and then I would get MSNBC New York Times I actually pay for it and and check this website, that website. I would compare notes, scribble it on a notepad. Now on my on my Chrome, whatever on my uh my iPhone 12, whatever, I put on AI for the answer and it goes like thinking and within seconds I get long pages of clear bulletins. Those bulletins are beautifully beautifully written >> and they're up up to date and while it's browsing it pulls up all the articles it's getting from and you see New York Times, New York Post, Tribune, Herald Tribune, Chicago Tribune, whatever. You see it all >> and you check and it's accurate. It's like it pulls >> accurate more than anybody you would pay $30 an hour to check the facts. This is a lot. How about this? I've never been fact check ever using this. >> Okay, >> your listeners are eight-year-olds. You calm down. >> We don't have access to the internet. Therefore, the >> A lot of them a lot of them are 12. A lot of them are 12 and they're very smart. You know what a kid is? You know what? >> Hold on. They hold on. Let's just let's give some some uh framework. What's the word? Let's give us some >> platform. >> No context. >> Context. >> He he he works for a news station that's only calling because they don't want to give their kids access to the internet. >> Oh. So the only access information they have, they can't fact check him because the only way they're allowed to access the world is through calling the number and hearing Clappy say the news. >> Not fact checked. It's, you know, they really he's the source. He's the fact for them. I'm not really called in with a question last week. He said if they stop minting the penny because it cost 4 cents, why don't they stop minting the nickel which cost like 17 cents? That was a good question. >> That is a good question. You know, I answered because it's very difficult to get rid of all the currencies. You could charge a penny less, a penny more once you start rounding it off to the 10 cent. >> But it is a valid question. Would you say that Fiverr and Upwork, which are websites that you could do low labor work, technology or or editing, a lot of those jobs are probably getting quickly more eliminated by AI and Canva versus um highlevel coding or highle design. That's not >> some things I would say like if I needed some concept art of like uh what should it look like if I'm designing some uh web page or some I don't know video game atmosphere or scene or something. These days I wouldn't go to Fiverr anymore. You know AI can generate that you know 10 different 15 different concepts for me very quickly. But some other things Fiverr and Upwork are the way to go. I mean uh if I need someone to put together you know a full web framework you know set up from scratch with all the different features set up and the guy you know wherever he is from India from Pakistan he already did it many times and he's experienced then it's worth the 25 per hour to let him do that AI is not going to help me do that I have to do it piece by piece there's a lot of time of negotiating but maybe this but fix that but why this it's too much it's not worth it yet to do that through AI but it's only going to get better so sooner logo was assisted by AI. My sister put in I don't know prompts Clappy and Frank. So if you look at her logo, it's a >> My wife does real estate. >> My wife My wife does real estate management. She gives a property with a listing and all the information that she's managing now like for rentals, whatever. And within a second, you get a full flyer that would have costed a 100 bucks a few months ago, every detail, and then they just fix it up and it's perfect. However, this is where I find this very interesting. The entrylevel jobs in technology, tell me if I'm wrong, the entry level jobs, they're always going to be there. And the top people that charge $3,000 a minute to do video production, they're not going anywhere cuz the billion dollar customers only want the best. It's the mediocre guy the $50 an hour guys or the guys that would never have an ad in the first place. That's always the habits when technology gets more accessible. people who put up you know I lost my dog and with handwriting instead they just do a AI thing or a canva so I don't have a fancy flyer >> I don't know why I came across in this topic I heard from different places around that they're saying no da the entrylevel stuff is what's going away because people either have to be good or AI could do pretty close to what you can do so what you have to get to begin with good otherwise why should you know the entry- level jobs are suffering that's what I heard from other sourc I don't Oh, maybe. I don't know. >> I think entry level jobs to get $25 an hour jobs an hour is just a beer entry if you're alive and you have a pulse, right? >> Because a lot of states minimum wage is 178 bucks. >> No, New York just became 17. I just found out Jan News. >> So, if you're alive and breathing, >> I got to pay my workers. No, >> if you're alive and breathing today, you're making 20 $25 an hour. >> Yeah. Yeah. You better. You have to. >> No. There was a lot of companies in New York had a massive scandal. They used to pay not underpaying. There was a lot of companies that were paying workers 15, 17, 18, 19, 20. The workers were getting raises every year until they were at 25 and they're hiring kids off the block now for 24. They're like, "One second, I put 10 years into the company and the guys making so they have to restructure. A lot of Fortune 500 companies now are restructuring payment because the old guys are angry. The new guys are happy." >> You saw I was saying you see you're using AI for your prompts for your news. I'm seeing AI from data from like Tik Tok, my Instagram accounts. they're suggesting certain things doing well or they prompt you like simple AI AI is when you type into email or Gmail to response they're suggesting quick responses which is great but practically when you walk down the street over here Third Avenue nothing's different the cars look the same the buildings look the same the traffic light when are we going to see real you know I guess you see but driverless cars is that a like where's a jump from computer programming to AI >> already >> or is it the same thing? I mean >> already the jump has been in 2023 when was chat >> it seems like all the all the different this revolution is all in digital format not you all seeing real results on what do you >> do you see a before and after whenever it was in 2023 when chat GBD came out do you remember like before AI and after do you see a huge difference of like remember before AI and now we're after AI do do you like generally do you or is it doesn't seem evenly really like that much of a for me it's very very very it's very stark there's like the world before AI and the world after you know hey >> you keep holding you have to drink it already we're going to get out we want to hear the secrets >> no one in this podcast needs to >> we're all after we win >> by the way it's not tonight it's Tonight you're not allowed to learn. Our minute is not to learn. But it's hey tavis. You have to buy spartum tonight. You have to buy spadim but don't open them. >> That seems to me the case with most people regardless. >> You can't fact check this. >> So here's the dramam says and you used to be very into you're still very into mashia. You're a big mashist. >> This whole thing you were just asking was going to answer you about mashia. >> So says now you have to wait for him to bring it up. You bring up yourself. my says in the end of that in the end of the times the messianical era you know you won't have to do any real work it's just going to be you're going to have extra time on your hands so I see all the popular guys now the j the ywise and the chases and the simmons they're all mixing this in now to say that like it's happening now where everybody has all the knowledge and you could just but with all that people are using all the technology of just watching movies and ding in WhatsApp groups. Everybody's arguing about hackanic stuff. No. And people are still having to go to work to make a living. So everything is not all the knowledge is available at your fingertips. But the part that says that you won't have to work. I mean maybe that's you know maybe mom's New York. We'll all get social security. I don't know whatever. So I'm saying how do you mix that we have all the knowledge but you can have free time to serve Hashem. I don't see that part happening. I mean, someone needs to someone's got to make a highlight reel of these amazing mashia clips out of Elon Musk and and all the big names out there. Just these phrases they say out of okay like like they're saying so what will people's occupation be and like yeah or or there will be so much abundance compared to 100 years ago. There's just so yeah or I don't know I can't I should have written like a note of them cuz they're just reading off a list one after another after another gishmaka clips out of the news out of people in politics out of big celebrities that say these gishmaka phrases to the effect of like yeah it's happening it's happening now it's coming up futurism what will people spend their time doing and um so yeah so we have to answer also your question there are moments where there's like a huge switch and a before and after. And in my world anyway, it's not so much like you described like cars down the block. I work a lot more on the internet and there it's so stark the difference >> examples >> before and after. It's just like in a way people look at a lot of the internet right now in a negative light in the sense of it being like poisoned like infected. There is the pure real internet that used to exist before chat GBT was around. And where did ChatgBT and then all the other AIs that came out? Where do they get all their information from? From a pure internet that existed before AI existed. They got all their information from websites that was just human input. It was just forums, people chatting, news articles, you know, videos, everything. Regular stuff that humans produced, YouTube, everything. But now now AIs are going around and still gathering a lot of information including what's been infected and what came out of AI itself. So much content that has been produced from AI is being fed back into AI and producing whatever content we're going to come up with you know further. And so there's a bit of an infection. I think there's a meme that came out about that about so many pictures that people are generating have that yellow tint that kind of stylized art style yellow tint. I don't know >> all the AI >> because all the AI learned from the people that liked it that oh that's a form you know that's a filter that people like. So and just all the pictures have that yellow tint now or whatever that's AI infected. >> Yeah, there's a lot of pe ways how people recognize oh that's AI. Yeah, that's AI. That's AI. Um so there is a bit of in my world for sure there's a world of before >> coding >> pure pristine no AI and then after so much different lumalus also not just in a negative way but that was one example how people very strongly see like before and after. So yeah there is transitional moments and like wow before and wow after but there's also like a progression. It's the exact same phrase of the question that people ask. What's the story about the whole Mashiach thing? I thought Mashiach is coming and he's coming now and he's coming take it from Yad. But meanwhile, it looks like life is going on and another day goes on and another day goes on and I'm here to ask that question as well. And that's that that's part of what we're going to get into. Um and yeah, and and people so far like, "Oh yeah, Mashiach is here. you see tremendous transformations happening in the world and wars and good things and bad things and transformations and things you know advancements in technology and uh and at the same time you could also say like you asked like yeah but I I'm not really seeing it like the whole transformation suddenly magic you know rainbows and unicorns unicorns flying in the sky I don't see all that whole magic uh Moshiach transformation that I thought it was going to be so that's a good question. Um, yeah. So, and maybe that's what you're experiencing with AI as well. There's like there is a before and after, but also I'm not seeing it yet. >> It's a fair point. It's a fair object. >> So, why do you have that thing in your earpiece then? >> Someone prompting you know >> what to say. >> It just looks cool. No, you're right. Now, I'm not Now it's really going to be off the cuff cuz he's not telling me anymore what to say. >> I'm just I'm sorry. >> I think we have to get address the elephant in the room. You're wearing a kapata and a hat and you're you you're you know very mishist and you're living in Msiah and you grew up in how did you even get involved in all this high tech being a high-end you know computer guy technology guy building framing networking how did you even fall into this situation >> I guess >> why you not a rebby and yeshiva I'm saying I'm saying when somebody sees you they want to know like how did you become such an expert in technology >> it's really honestly I should have been a rebi yesa And you grew up you grew up as Bas in Spain. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But honestly, you know, when the days >> when we go on some the Williamsburg Shaw, they ask him if they could hire him to run the kids program. That's how impressive. >> They did ask me that. Yeah. Yeah. I need to follow up with them. >> Yeah. It's been willing to have Labavatur teach. Yeah. >> Because we grew up not learning English. Do we teach? >> Um, no. But I mean, honestly, my, you know, programmers love their like initial discovery stories. How did you discover programming? >> Oh, so this is my question. >> Back at home, uh, we had this old Apple 2GS computer which we got from one of our shabas guests back in 1980 something. >> Spain, >> in Spain, and he gave us this, you know, old Macintosh back then. wasn't so old. And with a lot of these floppy discs, actual floppy discs that are actually bendable. >> Um, I don't know if most of you guys have even seen those. This might be a good uh age verification technique on a website. Are you over 18? Yes. What is this? That that that should verify you for over 20some, maybe 30ome. >> Um, but a drive, right? Was it called the A? >> Yeah, the A drive. That's Yeah. Yeah. That's the first time. I saw it once or twice in my life. My uncle had a computer in the early days. It was squareish. >> Yeah. So big firm one that's got small one that's that's that's bendable. >> Like every little simple game took like five and you had to flip it in a hole. >> Taken one and put in the other. So So yeah. So we had that computer and for the longest time it was just like oh I want to have fun. I want to play with the computer. So put in a disc and let the computer give you an experience. Oh this is fun. This is a game. What do we do next with the computer? Oh well put in another disc and play another game. That's all. There's this interesting clip someone showed me about Stephen Jobs describing things this way. You live in a world where other people built everything and how it works. And you think, you really get convinced that the way how it works is yeah, you're just a passenger seeing and receiving and experiencing all these things that other people made up. But then you realize you nothing stopping you from getting out there and also changing and making a thing and inventing a new kind of way how things work but no one tells anyone that everyone thinks no no it's just this is how the world works and then that's it they just go along with that vision. I also I want to do a little shout out for you SW who believed in my early tech dreams. Um which in a weird way you've my my tech dreams were we had a Tinder video platform style to find >> jobs to find people jobs flash interviews. >> Yeah. So we I I end up interviewing thousands of thousands of people in companies. >> That's your hush. >> So there's there's something called genius hours. The 10,000 You're at the 10,000 hour rule. Malcolm Gladwell. >> Yes, >> I read his books. He's always great. >> So he says that if you get something on really really well eventually. So my social media, which you know gets 10 million views plus a month was because of my skills of interviewing on my failed tech startups with my uh co-found. >> So was it so failed after all? >> Exactly. Well, you got the bad end of the stick cuz you did all the coding. I did all the filming and my filming evolved. You're >> saying you have to give them half your money now, >> basically. It's good. It's good. But >> so it's funny that you you swallow my early believers in my dreams. >> I have to give kudos and credit to you. I just want to >> My pleasure. >> Since he has nothing else from us, at least I should give him some uh some credit here on camera. >> Technology is definitely cool. I I have stars in my eyes about it every day. So, no, it's definitely cool. >> But I I am going to correct myself because I was curious how you in particular got involved in technology. The Goldstein family saying the whole family. The Goldstein family is technologically advanced going back a hundred years. >> Is it true? Is it true that your gr your grandfather the one that was by the Bremer parades that was very close to the and the famous principal in Bakov? >> Is it true that in 1950 he took a video of the >> Yes. And he officially he was in once for our and he told him that he had a video and said he wants to see it. >> That was for a recording of a of a fabbran I think. I think that was I think he recorded a Fabrangan maybe even >> filmed of something like that. >> Sure. I heard >> Yeah. >> Reb said that he wanted to see it. I think he played it and then the said the Reb never gave it back. >> Yeah. Yeah. The Reb borrowed it and it never happened in the future that the Reb returned it. Like the reb Jeem doesn't have the >> I guess. >> So there is no we don't have a video with >> No, you saw America's video. So what his video was a better video? >> No, that might be the one. >> That might be the video. How much how did they get? I took it together with the musician that >> maybe it wasn't the maybe it was a recording of the that's what I remember was a recording of the fabian s >> the record of the only song many kids now are playing piano eas >> so the tune existed before it's on oh >> she's credit the lyrics I'm have no fear unless I'm wrong would they take a [ __ ] that my grandfather if he composed it and they would put it on. I don't think that it has >> to be on United >> keyboard. I don't know how to play anything. >> Even that you and that song that's not >> that's the first one that everyone learns cuz sequential the >> straight across you don't skip anything at least the first part. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You can be the most tonedeaf person that song you could you can master. So there is a stereotype about the golden that are technologically inclined uh also music inclined also education you know goldstein on a lot of goldings and my grandfather you know >> why is she goldstein >> yeah yeah yeah so um and also technology so I don't know just the story in my own house is we had that computer and you know I'm growing up I'm we're off in Schlitis in Spain it's land there's there isn't Kingston Avenue there isn't friend hyen down the grow up in Madrid. >> Did we what? >> You did grow up social with like the local Jewish kids or >> mostly our own family, but you know, we interacted with the local community. We did, but not really like close friends in that kind of way. Not really zero much. Not so much. No, at all. No, pretty much. So, I'm bored at home and I'm looking through whatever there's around and there happens to be this manual uh Applesoft basic uh programming language or something like that. I recently found it online as a PDF and read it through again just for nostalgia purposes. And it uh it introduced me to this whole new world of like, hey, you can think of your computer as this pet robot of yours. And you tell, hey, little doggy jump. And it jumps. And you tell, okay, now sits. And it sits. and you tell it commands to do and it listens to you and it does them. And I was like, "Wow, really? Can it do that?" And yeah, it shows you here. Type 10 uh print hello world or whatever and 20 uh what? I can't even remember. This is the first programming language I learned, Applesoft Basic. And I started following the instructions and typing it in. And there's nothing like that feeling when you press enter and you look at the screen and it works. That gishmake feeling of like, aha, it works. Wow, that opens up so many possibilities. I can tell the computer to do things whatever I want it to. >> This was maybe I was 11, 12 maybe 12 >> pretty much. Yeah, >> it took about like 1998 99 what years? >> Yeah. Yeah. Z something like that in the summer. I remember. >> Could AI replace doctors? I mean, where are the like very clear things here? This guy's out of a job within 3 years. >> See it? >> What? >> I think eventually I can't >> which like which things like a plumber the AIS I mean I guess the robots I mean certain things are seem AI proof certain things now. Do you mind what comes to mind as things that are not AI proof versus AI? >> Something tells me if you have an AI plumber you're going to have leaks and you're going to flood and swim out the door. I don't know that I've >> plumbers are okay. Honestly, I I struggle with this because >> like CPAs sound like maybe a little bit obsolete, doctors, >> it's really >> lawyers writing briefs. The way I see it, it's really all a matter of >> lawyers for sure are suffering. I spoke to lawyers non-stop. I meet lawyers and should lawyers are really having it hard. If you're a top criminal defense attorney charging $2,000 an hour, okay, whatever. But the entrylevel guys doing acquisitions, paperwork, they're drafting their gun. Their gun twisted. So, what do you see from your AI nerdy? >> Honestly, honestly, I am just so surprised and baffled by how AI even works at all. I I still don't believe it sometimes, >> okay? >> That I in my mind, it's really all of it. All of it is a matter of time. >> It might be 50 years. It might be a 100 years, but it's all of it, I'm afraid, is a matter of time. Yudi Cohen, our other guest told me on the uh earlier today that you could sing now to an app called What's app called? And they'll create music and background a full orchestra just from you singing I'm at least I have to hire. >> So Benny So Benny Friezman, Ellie Marcus, should you worry? No. >> But that's good quality voice. But they can maybe autotune your voice and make you sound like a nice singer. The top performers are all going to stay rich and all going to have gigs. I'm not worried. >> No, but they create a whole music background. You used to have to arrange and write notes and hire a 100piece band to get all the background. And now based on your singing and knows cuz music is mathematical. >> You never think of music as mathematics. It always says mathematics. Now >> it's quite it has also a side of it an aspect of art, creativity, but it's it has a lot. question. Would you pay $180 for a concert that me and G did singers? I don't care what AI would do. The AI make any hit songs. That's a question people ask. They don't give me a straight answer. >> Some people put some things out there and you know they're I can't I often don't even like whatever actual real human produced music is anyway. So when I compare it to what AI produced for me, they're sometimes on the same level. But that's just my taste. Everyone has their >> cool thing is used to like to get animation you would have to spend gazillions of dollars. This is where visually or say when I say visually you see a difference. You see these little low budget productions creating these crazy AI movies that usually your little local school won't have the budget to create a AI to any type of animation and they're popping out >> five to 10 minute animations. Interesting fun fact. Um, every AI video, especially a long sequence that you see, notice if it is t like a single long shot that lasts 30 seconds or 40 seconds or a minute or a minute and a half or 2 minutes or is it constantly cutting 5 seconds and then another 5 seconds and cut and another 5 seconds and cut. Notice the clip. If he keeps changing and shifting and changing and shifting every 5 10 seconds, you know that he generated one clip and then he generated another one and generated and put them together. Nowadays, these days, you can't yet generate a very long sequence of video. It's all cut up little pieces put together. Notice it next time you see an AI produced video, especially a longer one. >> So every >> and the difference is >> 20 seconds. >> So if one issue that happens is coherence. Sometimes you describe a beautiful scene in the first clip and then you want the next clip to continue that but suddenly the guy has like a different face or a different color hat or a different, you know, so it's close enough but it looks a little different and sometimes it could be a bit jarring like it doesn't seem that sequential but some AIs I think have gotten better about that too. They can, you know, maintain the consistency from one clip to the next. And you say that. I always say when I have my art gallery, I have it but not in a big format like I used to. Everyone gravitates to the same paintings. They all like the same artists, the same paintings. They walk in the gallery, there's 100 paintings, they all go. So people intuitively, even though they're not creative artistic like the Goldsteins, they still intuitively know something is off. They all like the same good art or the same good movie or animation, etc. As of right now, everyone can tell when something is AI, but I think that's going to it's going to get >> going to get better. It's going to get a lot better and it's happening faster than we than we think. But I wanted to get back to the point about that nuda in the faban of Reb Steve Jobs. >> Yeah. where he says, "We see the world how it works." And I look around and I see how the world works and I see how we wake up every day and we take care of our families and we bring our kids to school and we go to work and we make some money and we, you know, and we come and we make nice podcasts. By the way, this is a little bit out of the ordinary. This is amazing that are coming together, putting together a podcast, you know, interviewing people. I think it's it's about time we need to really uh, you know, break the fourth wall. um you know, break the ice, talk about things, bring stuff out on the table. I think that's extremely important and it's amazing that you guys are like, you know, breaking the ice and doing that. But what in the world is the story with the whole Mashiach like like for real the I mean we Lubavaurs don't give it up. >> Our whole thing I'm telling you, our whole thing are supposed to be about we bring Msiah and we teach everything about the Reb and we bring the world about, you know, And what so that we can do again next year and we can do another public lighting next year and then another one >> security job security >> job right we have >> talking about public lightings >> yeah your cousin was killed >> was married to your first cousin >> yes >> and your uncle >> in the hospital >> and your uncle is Goldstein he was shot also >> you're keeping track this is the second time that my close family has been targeted in in such attacks Mrs. Man, Mrs. >> Mrs. Olman is my father's sister. Yeah, my aunt. And what happens is that uh with great tremendous sorrow, we are heartbroken to announce the passing of such and such and uh we need to continue bringing the light to the world and we need to hope and pray that Mashiach will come and everything will be okay and amen. And then we say and we wish each other good day and we go to sleep and the next day and the next day and the next month and the next year and then one day another thing happens if it's October 7 or if it's Mumbai or if it's uh now in Sydney and again we have all these beautiful speeches people are looking for what's the trending it's like how do we process tragedy and I have to sit through a whole another drussa of a very wise rabbi no nothing against them they're really helping inspiring hearing people move through things, but I'm sitting there wondering where are the young like me and you who are going like boring. I I heard this already so many times and like hey who is interested in uh bringing them back? How about that? How about what can we do so that we reach a point of and like says which involves also and them coming back. Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Is that is that strange? Is that maybe weird? Is that maybe like, oh, he's intangible. >> He's a little bit of a strange Msiah guy talking about all that. We we don't actually actually really talk about that. That's supposed to be the question under the rug. We don't go there. We don't talk about that. And I think that there are out there, including you guys, who are actually wondering about this. I think we've all maybe been conditioned a little bit over the years that just just stay the course. Continue the mold. Don't ask too many questions. Don't be a Mashiach weirdo. That's for sure. Everyone's very freaked out about that. And uh just the the M word. >> The M word. Right. Right. Be be normal. Go on with your life and don't do anything weird. And if you do anything weird, boy, are you socially punished for that. Oh, that weird guy crazy. He's mishist. He's anti 770 o right by the way >> tunnels by the way we are the generation of apathy we don't care >> the hot generation why I say >> exactly and it's it's a huge milo we can finally break through it and ta make it happen but >> so so you're saying you're saying mashiach still could come >> what choice do we have >> a game plan you have you have a game plan and you have I do have a game plan. >> What's the game? Like what what are the exact steps? Then we could hit the the the >> you say whatever you're saying is that's what you're saying. >> So if you if you give me very specific tasks how to do it perhaps I could but it's it's too like ambiguous. >> I need a a a >> it's a I like the idea. It's great. Msiah perfect. Just give me a very professional >> give me specific business strategy. Tell me exactly how much money we have to make or hit goals. Ask AI how to bring Mashia. >> And if you have to very specific goals how Mashia has come, I'm happy to be involved. Until then, it's >> it seems No, I think it's messianic era, you know. It's it's it's cool. I like it. Nice. >> You need a You need a flag. You have to wave a flag every day for five minutes. >> Need a Mashiah pin and a shovel pin. >> I'm I'm more into the I'm very much a shovel pin person. I think 770 definitely should be expanded. >> It's too small. Um, but >> through digging a tunnel, >> whatever it is. Whatever it takes. I'm very much >> the way the fat are doing it is the right way. >> I'm very much whatever it takes. >> Want the building to collapse? >> I don't care what it is, you know, as long as it's things are going. >> By the way, do you see this? This is sometimes a social difficulty that many of us deal when it comes to these things. Someone comes up to us, no offense, but really challenges. Do you really think what like even to do it the wrong way? Even to do it with shovels? Really? Are you that kind of a weirdo that that's why you >> But you don't back down. You're like, "Yeah, yeah." You know what? I don't care. Yeah. People do it with shovels. >> I'm a little I'm a little crazy. If they're >> a little >> If there's one guy racing to the finish line and whatever he's get, however he gets to the finish line, people screaming, "Oh, he knocked this guy over. He ran him over. You know that he had no permission to do this." And but the guy hits the finish line, all the thousand people crying and yinging and scratching. >> I love it. I almost don't care what if he >> But what would it take >> to get to that finish line? I'm very like biased for the guy who actually gets it done. >> But what would it take for me and you and you to go behind them and support them >> because it's easy for us to say that on the podcast. But when it came to that day when those bakim were like we're doing this >> I I want to be clear. I admit I every PM I wear the Msiah >> tunnel pin only. >> Beautiful. >> Every perm. >> Every perm to you. He's bringing Msiah with the tunnel. My my brother always says, if you want to know what people who they really are, look on Pur and how they're dressed up. That's who they really want to be. >> It's not what I heard you tell the guy in Atika. You told the guy in Atika that when you want to get to the front of the cookie wine in the oil, you're an anti. And when you want a good spot at 770, you're >> I usually say in tish I'm >> Oh, I'm anti. Gil is an anti. It's like it's obvious to be an anti. So you know but tish that's I always say the best event of the year is you have the running it so the music is good it's a nice stage and who's actually creating the >> in the rain and everything >> like after 3:00 a.m. secret. Hey guys, want to let you know >> all the people that come to crown of aa and they come until 3, bro. >> Yeah, >> that's not >> 3 to 6. They really >> 3 to 6. It's full full energy. >> It's full of yellow. >> If you want to cheat a hash at night, you come from 12:30. You get the same energy. >> You don't have to stay up till 3, >> right? >> Just as a little insider info. >> So, to answer your question, I need two things. I need a professional, I don't know, psychologist or something to analyze this pattern that keeps happening. So you say you say as a destination or as a mentality >> both I don't know what do you want from me with that that sounds too philosophical mashia like >> cuz I always tell people I love mash personalities I don't necessarily believe what they believe >> and the anti-personalities who you want to party with but if you're trying to run a business stick with the anti you want to have a good PR campaign now I don't know if the flyers of the PR pain of the ant actually get on the polls cuz it's fat Pu they could put Jackie Robertson. They get their distribution and marketing is way better. >> How do they get so high and put that Messiah Reba thing on every single thing in the home? >> You look at random. >> So if you need execution, you know, actually get the the signs, bro. >> Some random goss like YouTubers videos that they film, you know, going down the streets of Manhattan when you see like it's in their videos. >> How do they get it there? >> Ask them. >> When do they come? >> I can show you who the guy is. >> Middle of night. >> Yeah. They once asked me if they could borrow my car. I said I was thinking maybe because I like them. >> You'll get arrested. >> But now let's track my license plate for there's cameras everywhere. I >> It's called It's called Mitz Mitsahbaka where they put glue all over. >> That's what they call it. It's a joke. But it's Yeah, >> it's not it's not a joke. >> No, no, the stickers isn't the fact that they call it baka. >> It's one of the t of times. >> But hey, here's the thing. Okay. Um if >> hold on you know they asked is it Howard Lutnik who's Trump's guy here the he came to the >> somebodynick. Yeah. >> Yeah. So he they asked him why Trump come to the oil that's where the rebur before he's like he says if these if you have he told the media he says if you have a bunch of guys all believe this guy is a messiah you should definitely go to his grave site a great marketing. They're all like walk around I see the sticker. What? That was his, you know, >> nice >> politically he was not aligned to what he was saying. But >> let me ask you and you throw >> but they get the job done. Kudos to them. >> If you go on for the rest of Ever after, okay, and more, okay? And you get to interview a lot of on this podcast and you get to raise your children and make mitzvah and make weddings and grow a whiter beard and grow old age and that is the story of your life. Exactly. >> Are you cool with that? Are you cool with that? Of >> course not. >> I am so not cool with that. That's not okay. But right now, it seems to be the proposition. Just go on in life. Just do the thing. Just live it out till the end. And that it is what it is. Where do you want to go? Go fight city hall. Go climb on walls. Go bring mashiach. Whack. Don't be a wacko. I'm not okay. I protest. This is not I don't I don't think >> What do you want your impact on legacy to be? Impact. You >> want your name on a hospital building, a yeshiva building? Tell us >> legacy. >> First of all, you make your crazy announcement in 770 so people will not forget you make announcement 770. >> They just get up. >> Well, what do you announce? I'll send you some clips. Maybe in >> Give me an example. Give me a whole audience. We have thousands of views. What What's your Give me an announcement. >> I just said it. He said >> just ended and now what do you say? >> For example, I've been trying to ask the in 770. We've said in this kind of way for these many years. Let's really welcome Mashiach in the way Mashiach himself right you're saying right that he'd be happy if only felt comfortable about this so let's announce this way clap clapent for all those who feel comfortable with the announcement we will now proceed with making the announcement and for all those who are not fully comfortable we understand and we give we you know this is a mashiach safe space or whatever we borrow the concept from the left and like we understand you and we tolerate that and then go ahead and announce >> and then what are the what should they announce >> whatever they'd like by the way there is a clear with the clear words you wear >> I'm embarrassed but currently it's not the one >> however however I switch >> that's why you wear that every two weeks Every two weeks >> for two weeks the mishistan go nuts they're like what you became an anti what why are you wearing without and then conversation comes up again and we have a fab about it and we can talk about it otherwise they'll just ignore me then I switch and now the anti what what happened with you became a mish suddenly what happened and we talk about it again the conversation has to keep going you can't just leave it to you have to you have to trickle for what teases them best >> so hey tavis is not a day >> you know But not like I said, I'm embarrassed. I should have I should have It's It's rotation. >> By tomorrow, we'll do CH already, right? >> I'll have to now that you mention it. >> 100%. We win. We We really need to go out with this winning spirit. We the young we we got to say it's very nice what our parents achieved and what our mashim and our bonim and all the gray beards and all the makers in Lubavich, they built amazing things. They built this whole situation that we have now. They came up with this whole amazing thing announcing. They built a whole beautiful system. Now it's our turn. We got to get up and do our part and get up and make a thing happen. >> You saw I'm sorry. My son just bought a 3D printer this week. >> Yeah. >> Got him cuz he did the 12 pro. >> The 12 truck. >> Yes. >> Wow. >> Not related. I have to check his DNA. >> Not related. >> Crazy. >> Very nice. 3D printing familiar with that space at all? >> I've never done it myself. I've seen it. I've heard it, but I don't have much that much to do with it. >> You don't know. My next question is how far away from 3D print people just print mic stands, a microphone like people like at one point >> the brains inside it the >> I don't know. I I'm I'm saying but you don't know anything about 3D printing. How far are we from people just printing their own bottles, cans? What capacity does AI play a role in? Because I'm like, you know, now that we just have a 3D printer in our house, I'm like amazed, you know, I'm suddenly it gave me like this futuristic >> awareness. >> What you're holding could be made with 3D printing. >> This >> Yeah, >> for the simple cheap stuff. >> I think the next step will be they'll have like centers. You go to a store and you print out a few utilities or a few cans or a few bottles or something with some general purpose machine that's very expensive. You can't just buy it to have it in your house, but it builds a few things for you. >> Do you want have to hold a company won't have to hold inventory? >> Maybe. Well, it depends if it'll it'll be cost effective. It might still be most cost effective to have China print, you know, 500 million of something. And that might still make sense for another while, >> but eventually it's going to hit a point where stores manufacturers probably just creating code to create certain 3D products versus holding inventory and they're just going to make licensing just like a YouTube video you make per listen. The compan making money based on their R&D, their re, you know, their investment. >> It's gonna happen. It's just a matter of time. But how and when I'm I don't I guess I don't know enough in that space. All the guys that are losing their jobs to AI and they're going to be making those machines and contributing those machines. A new job is being created. >> Yeah, new jobs will always be created probably or not. We won't have any more jobs. >> Elon Musk always says it's going to be equal what's it called? >> Yeah, a universal uh income and you have more time. >> I need two things. I need a professional psychologist to help me through this pattern that always keeps happening. >> Help you with what? to help me with this pattern that always keeps happening. >> I suggest, hey, let's do something. Let's bring Oh, I just got it. No problem. >> I'm slow sometimes. I need to ask my psychologist about that. >> Um, we always ask, yeah, let's bring Mashiach. Okay, what's the plan? What do we do? And I go ahead and I try to describe a thing or two or three and it trails off somehow. It doesn't >> say there's no >> and it and people are like, "Oh, yeah, that. No, I don't think so. I unsubscribe. I go home. It doesn't. What is with that pattern? I might just have to develop the marketing or the branding or how it's explained because there's something there that just doesn't >> a channel you were asking people all about Mashiach and what we could do. Tell me some of the names of the people you interviewed. I think you had some heavy hitters. >> We had Oh, you did the Rabashkin >> teacher in in Raashkin was free. >> Yeah. No, I went around with a microphone in 770. >> 770 asking random people, what do you think we can do to bring Mashiah now that we're in this Mashiach situation? It was the night >> yesterday. How many years ago was it? Yeah. Eight years ago. >> N I can't remember even the first time Trump was uh >> president. His first term. Yeah. First year of his first. >> End of his first term. >> End of his first year. >> Oh, of his year. >> Of his first year. >> Yeah. >> So, this is the latest podcast we ever filmed. >> Almost midnight. >> Wow. Really? What time? >> Yeah. 11:40 at night. >> Wow. What time do we start, TJ? >> Like I said, I'm going to >> 10:40. >> I'm going to have a hefty shi to pay for this. But hey, if we're here already, it's worth it. Hey, look. I was just saying >> Oh, you had Rabbi Brian on your Mashiah podcast. >> I I interviewed Rabbi Brian. I had a clip of it, but I have not yet edited and produced it yet. And >> what did he say? >> He said that agree on like 99.9% of everything. And wants to keep us for going for another 30 years just on that last 0.01% thing about this difference or that difference, whatever. But we all believe we should go on. We all believe we should put on. We all believe we should go down. We all believe we should light. We all believe we all agree on everything and we get hooked up on that last annoying thing and we could work together and we have to work together. I interviewed how longer teacher in Yeshiva was Manis Friedman Friedman. I had a beautiful interview with him. I like to believe that after I did that interview a lot more of his clips of interviews had to do more in the mashiach direction. I'd like to believe I had something to do with that. >> Um, >> you're saying people aren't blushing anymore? >> You're saying, hold on, after this podcast, our future podcast will be more messianic. >> I hope. Hey, let's see it happen. That would be amazing. And if you guys can instill in your interviewees this idea of like, hey, what are we waiting for? Let's wake up. Let's do this. We don't have to like ask permission and wait for big bro Labavich to give us permission. That are you allowed to or are you not allowed to? >> Who Who is it? Well, I mean, look, when they started shoveling over there, right? Who called the police? Who >> Who's a big bro? Hey, I haven't met them yet. >> But whoever it is, someone is afraid of them. And they're not, you're right, they're not there. They're not real. But we still just go on like, "Wake up. Let's do this. Let's make this happen. There's so many." >> Were you one of the tunnelers or no? >> Uh, sadly not, I guess. >> Sadly not. Okay. >> But let's make a thing happen. This is boring. This >> came with a game plan. You haven't? >> I do. I do. That was my second thing. I need to formulate what the steps are because they're there. I also suspect you guys know what the game plan is. >> We just generally don't really want to I think you guys know >> if you tell me if I build the tower a certain feet tall and Mashia will come. Boom. If you tell me if I eat a certain amount of chocolate milk with cookies, you hit give very specific. >> If I told you very specific and you'll hit the goal. Tell me something is he living the mashia life. What's his name? >> Jeam. >> Is Jamia Who am I mixing? >> One and only >> the one that does the Mashiah here in 770 every morning. What's his name? >> Jam. >> One and only. >> Ah, his father's the father. >> He has both. He's >> Yeah. Yeah. No. So he he lives Msiah all day, you know. Like he's an example. >> Everybody acts like him. >> If if everyone took it to the next level, >> is he the next level? >> He is. But he can also everyone can do more. >> What else should he do? >> You know what? At least that at least he should ask like what you just asked. If we all just did that, my job here is done. I'm going home. >> If everyone asked what is the next thing that we could do, just ask that. Don't stop ask. We go back to our regular life and we don't ask that anymore. Don't do that. Wake up tomorrow. Ask your friends. Ask your colleagues at Shakis afteram. Ask your co-workers. What is the next step we can do? lose Michelle cuz he has like a backlog of three years of programming work that whenever he wants I always bother him about this. He just types on the finger and the money starts coming in because he's so backlog in demand for his tech work. >> There is this concept >> that for him it's real machine. Imagine CL you're waiting shvitzing for a deal for this book. You're >> saying you're saying he has a few does he have Bitcoin? A lot of Bitcoin >> probably has a lot of things going on but imagine you had customers that you just have to call to deliver. You don't have to call selling. So he has three years of backlog of coding. >> There's this concept of >> so for him Msiah is very real because for him he literally prints money. He just types and the money justing he just tells people lots of >> that's the only reason why he's a believer because the money is mish a joke for him. >> If it's so good if it's so good then why I should sit back relax and enjoy golus. What's my problem? There is this thing about license by the way. Do you have a license? And people's reality is very reflective. >> Do you have you have license? Do you have a license to talk about and about because there is this concept that you can lose your license? What if you're growing old if you have a deathly sickness? If your parasa is going boom, if someone died, if a tragedy happened close to you, then suddenly, oh, that's why he's talking about Mashiach because you lose your license. You're like, oh, I get it. No, I'm a normal guy. I don't need the whole mashia thing. But he Right. Right. I get it. So you could lose your license. You guys, there's no outstanding big reason now that you lost your license. You guys have your license now. Use it. Go to your >> Sure. >> Ask and talk and bring it out. Now you can talk about it. If something happened, it never will. You're going to lose your license. So, if someone wants to reach out to you about your Messiah uh passion or to if they want to be on the backlog of three years of IT work, how do they find you? >> I don't know what else to say other than should I just give up my phone number, your email? >> Honestly, no. We Let's do We'll do it live. We'll do it live. >> 3477 >> 760. Close enough. 760943. >> If I am He's aspirated. Let's just do this. >> If he was more mash be 770, so he has way to go. He's not obsessed enough. >> We'll get there. We'll approach to it. >> Don't forget to subscribe to comment. >> Subscribe, like, share. Um, this is our 15th episode. So, smash that like button. Smash that subscribe button. >> Share it. >> Share it with all your friends. >> CH Butcher. >> CH Butcher is the greatest restaurant in Crown Heights. >> Yes. >> And their uh butcher shop on Albany is delicious. Their restaurant on Troy Avenue is delicious. I've just been there. Incredible. Incredible dining experience. Their bill tongue is fantastic. We had South Africans ready to eat it. They all said it's the most delicious bill tongue around. >> Yeah. >> Uh who else? >> What What is he still doing? >> Making another >> Oh, he's holding the the the >> He's blocking. He's blocking it. Oh, now we can see it. We can see it. >> Yeah. Smear has not sponsored. So, I was I told you so bring it on the show. He says, "But it's Smeirnov is part of Kabad. It's more religious than branding." I said, "Okay." Let's make it happen. >> I do apologize for my yawning. It's the latest. It's what? Almost 12. >> Very, very late at night. I agree. All forgiven. But guys, let's do it. Okay, let's someday. You know what? It doesn't have to be today. Today, we'll go home. We'll enjoy another day in we'll say, we'll party. We'll fall asleep. But someday shout out. >> Let's do it. Let's make it happen. Theorist Studios for being flexible tonight, staying up so late and our wonderful messianic canled and rescheduled 16 times in 10 hours and we appreciate >> very persistent. >> We appreciate that. >> I'm going to make an apology. I'm going to make an apology for last week. We had a great great great guest, but the studio was a little bit underperforming that we went to. >> It was like a 770 challen weak. But everybody should watch episode 14 because the content is gold. >> You just the microphones, the cameras, whatever. But now we're back to a great studio with a great guest. But give episode 14 a chance. >> Thank you sir again for coming. >> Thank you for having me. >> And you actually you're probably the most expensive billable guest we had cuz you actually make like what 150 180 an hour. >> What? >> He actually builds it. >> Much more. >> He actually builds other guests. They do deals. So it's not billable for him. He like an hour's actual money. >> You should know I I feel very very honored to be here. I I often have the in a certain inferiority complex. I don't get to be with the big people. The Izzy from Izzy Rant and Misha Frank himself from >> We changed the name by the Tyra. It's Clappy. It's over. >> I am starruck. This is a huge honor. Thank you so much for having me. I I can't believe I can't believe this is happening. >> He's so com He loves and so comfortable being the underdog. He's not sure what he's in a fancy Manhattan studio with currently the biggest Kabad podcast. You know, we're the most viewed Kabad. Are we Are we Kabad? Well, this one this episode definitely >> I don't I don't want to get sued. I'm unaffiliated with Kabad. I'm a friend of I'm a friend of Labavich. >> Hold on. Friends Labavich is also a nonforprofit a different type of friend. Oh, so but this I we're you know we I'm always as a a new creative project always looking for benchmarks and wins. I'm trying to say what are we the biggest like we're the biggest Kabad podcast >> average. >> I know you're going to do it. You're going to make it happen. >> And we hope to grow further beyond that. >> You will. >> And we will with your >> keep on bringing interesting hevran. Not like me real. >> Okay. And >> interesting. He what I'm brother you getting gold soon. He says, he says any guest that says everything without is the guest you need. So here we have it. >> I had please. Thank you so much.