A Jew in Prison, twice. The story of Michael Schlisser.

Hey guys, Moshi Frank here. Clappy, is he Clappman? Clappy Frank Show, today we have a special guest who I've known for many, many years. Um the great Mickey Schloser. Are you the great Mickey Mickey Schloser? I don't know if I'm great, but I certainly am Mickey Schloser. Mickey, where were you born? What's your story? My story? How long do we have? I don't know. We'll see. No, how long do we have? >> I'm known to cut people off, so Okay. I live edit. I live edit. >> known to cut people off, so >> [laughter] >> We're in good shape. My story is very simple. I was born I can't give you the Hebrew I can give you the Hebrew date. I don't know the Hebrew year. You guys know that much better than me. 66 years ago on Rosh Chodesh El in a place called Yerushalayim. Um seventh generation Yerushalmi. Through a four generations past, we were in Chevron. My My uh family came to Israel in 1805. And uh we were the only family to leave in 1962. We left uh Israel. My father was a Holocaust survivor. Was in Auschwitz peeling potatoes for the Nazis in Machshemam. And he uh when Eichmann was brought to Israel, he wanted to uh leave Israel. He wanted to kill Eichmann actually, but he wanted to to um leave Israel and he had a sister living here in America. She lived in Flatbush, so he wanted to be with her, her only living sister um after the war. My My aunt who I'm named after was killed by Dr. Mengele. You named after the aunt, how? My I'm named um Mickey. My name My My proper name is Michael. My aunt's name was Michal. Hm. And uh my father started calling me Mickey when I was seven or eight and hence the hair. Really? Are you kidding me? Seriously? Do I look like I'm kidding to you? No, I'm just curious. Do I look like I'm kidding? I'm kidding. >> because you're named after a female, that's why you have the long hair. >> not Nobody ever remembers her, ever, other than on my father's grave in Har Hazaysim. Her name is on the grave, Michal Bas Efraim Halevi. And nobody ever remembers her, and I remember her every day. Not some days, every day. >> She was the aunt that lived in Flatbush? No. She was the aunt that was killed in the Holocaust? The beauty, Clappy, if she lived in Flatbush and she was killed by Mengele I'm more confused. She was killed by Mengele during the war. >> from Israel to America because your father had a sister in America. >> That's correct. The other sister was killed was killed by Dr. Mengele. You mach shmo v'zichro. Dr. Mengele. I'm just calling him giving him a doctor. The animal. Mhm. So, I he called me Mickey, my father called me Mickey, and the family called me Mickey. Even though my name is Michael, we left in 1962. I've been in America for since 1962. Wow. Quite a few years. 60 I'm 66 years old. Baruch Hashem, and uh that's that's basically my my history. Lived in Monsey, my mother was a teacher, my father was a truck driver. Um [snorts] let's see. Moved to Manha- I lived in Manhattan for 30 years. 30 years. And now I live in Pomona, New York. >> East where in the city? I lived on the Upper West Side for many years, and then I lived on the Upper East Side for many years. What But when she when she told me that you're a really exciting, fun personality, and we have to have you on the show. We've never met before till about 7 minutes ago. Just when I when I see you, you have a very striking appearance. Could I could it could you show people this scarf that has tzitzis coming out of your scarf? What do you mean? The The halacha is It has four corners. It has four corners. If it has four corners, it has to have uh tzitzis. >> seen a blue scarf with tzitzis. I'm just saying I didn't say you don't have it. >> Have you seen a black scarf with tzitzis? >> [laughter] >> There's a lot going on over there. >> No, what do you mean? It has It has what do you call it? It has four corners. >> And it has chremes. Well, that's a separate issue. >> there not tzitzis and chremes? I'm not sure. I I My tzitzis that I wear are the Gra. Mhm. The Gra We're Gra nicks, to not sit him even though I I met many of them in my life but this a friend of mine in Pomona bought this to me in Eretz Yisrael. I've never taken it off. Special beautiful. Beautiful. And also and also you have long white hair so maybe that the long hair is maybe because of your aunt you know so Maybe because of my aunt? >> because it was >> Because of my aunt. >> Okay good. And the the hat says maga so it's make America great again in Hebrew. Is it not on the on on a film? I can't see where it is. >> it. Yeah they can see it. It says it says maga. Does it offend you the maga? >> it. I love it. We're big we're big we're big I was the first Trumpster in the Chabad in the from community talking when he came down the escalator screaming yelling I had videos going. I put him in the office basically. I'm happy. >> [laughter] >> So Bukiet so you're you're uh-huh so you the tzitzis are beautiful and the the long hair is beautiful and the hat I like it too. You have a striking personality and and appearance. When I looked at your face when Moshe was calling you I saw on your WhatsApp status your picture which usually I would say that people spend many hours there on WhatsApp so the picture that they portray to the world is something that means a lot to them. It's a picture of you with the Lubavitcher Rebbe. So if you could tell us because we have a lot of Chabad people that watch our show tell us a little bit about your connection to Chabad and to the Rebbe. I'm not sure if I should mention people's names cuz I don't want anybody being offended cuz that's that A it's not loshon hora. I brought >> No it's all positive. No no no I'm going to tell you how how that picture came about. then you can mention names. So okay I'm I'll just mention it. I have a friend >> I have a friend a friend in in the loan business in Chabad and I I came to talk to him one day. He's a very very special man. Haven't seen him in a while but I speak to him once in a while but I used to speak to him more often. And this is before you had at Chabad you had uh um I don't have face recognition software and it must be 15 year Yeah it's about 11 years ago. I was in his office he says we're not leaving here till I find at least one of the pictures of you with the Rebbe. I said okay. Four hours later he found the picture. He a He's a special guy. He says, "You're not leaving." And he locked the door to his room. Locked the door to his office and when he found the picture, and he sent it to me. And uh less than a week later, somebody in my neighborhood, a special guy in the neighborhood says, "No, this is not uh the a small little picture that doesn't work." There's also, if you look at the picture, there's picture Of course, our grown-up's uh father's in the picture. There's a cameraman on the other side that I've always tried to see that that perspective. I had gone to a meeting [clears throat] with a friend of mine to uh um Machne Israel uh event. And um this this friend in in Pomona said, "Um and he bought me a picture the size of a nice-size screen." So, I have it in the I have it in the house. Have you ever seen it? When I You've been to the house. I might have shown it to you. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> I remember it's big. So, it I have long hair in that picture, too, baruch Hashem. And I and one of the funny not funny things, one of the things about the Rebbe, again, I grew up following the minhagim of the Gra, even though my great-grandmother was from Slonim family, I mean, from Lipkin family. And uh my this friend brought this over and and when I went with him to the Rebbe, uh we got to we were at the front of the line. He He was giving out cake. The Rebbe was giving out cake that that week. Um honey cake, I believe. And he And he said, "Whatever you do, do not touch the Rebbe." I said, "Okay. I mean, I don't know what to say to the Rebbe. I have no idea." And as I got to the Rebbe, the Rebbe put his hand out for me. And in the picture, the Rebbe is putting his hand out for me. Obviously, the Rebbe knew that we had just spoken about it because there's no way he could have known, but he knew. So, that's the picture that I have on my status, which is me of thir- I think 35 or 36 years ago. >> And that was a a vent for wealthy people, right? That was a for extremely wealthy people. >> Machne Israel Development Fund. It was called the Million Dollar Club. You had to commit to a million over 20 years or something or something. >> 100,000 on the spot and some some big number over a period of time. >> about in the early 90s, you gave 100 you gave you were giving a ton of money to Lubavitch. >> [snorts] >> I won't say I was giving a ton of money. We we had a group that was involved with Lubavitch, but but I wasn't Lubavitch. I was just I went there with the uh So who recruited you to fund Chabad? No one. One of my friends said, "You're coming to meet the Rebbe." I had met the Rebbe before. My my uncle, one of my uncles, I have I have uh my mother was the eldest of the Druck family. Uh famous um uh Yerushalmi family. Uh three rabbonim um certainly uh uh one was a maggid they would call him after R' Sholom Shachna was nifter. He became the maggid Meisharim of Mordechai Druck. He has a bunch of children who are all roshei yeshiva. My youngest uncle was a big fan big fan. He was a big follower of of the Lubavitcher Rebbe and he wanted to go there and we went to to 770. I was much younger it was before I ever went there for Machne Israel. And when when we met the Rebbe, he he uh he said the following words to my uncle. He said I I don't speak Yiddish well. I understand Yiddish. Cuz [clears throat] my great-grandparents spoke Yiddish, Ladino, and Arabic. They didn't speak Hebrew. From Chevron. Uh and the Rebbe said to my uncle and I was standing there he said, "Agree this to the mena'ekes." I had no idea what he was talking about so I called I called up my grandmother after I said, "What is that all about?" She says to me, "Our mother was a mena'ekes to the Schniersons." A mena'ekes. A nursemaid to the Schniersons. So that's a You can imagine it's a little bit of a connection. Pretty intimate. I would say it would be intimate. It's an intimate moment. >> Mickey, growing up your father is a truck driver. Did you Was that your career path? Or did you think that was going to do? What was your plans? I I I know. My father died when I was 17. I was in Israel learning in in Chevron in Kiryat Arba actually for a Rabbi Lior. And my I wanted really to do the Israeli army. My father was not well. He asked me to come back in June of 1977 and passed away in July of 1977. Tragic, 17 years old. He was 17. He was 49. He had a He felt he had a fulfilled life after Auschwitz. And my mother was an alumna at the age of 42. What happened then? >> What career path you asking? I thought I'd like to be a truck driver. Why not be a truck driver? I had the I had the shoulders for it. I enjoyed it. My mother didn't want me to be a truck driver. She wanted me >> What then what was your first job? My first job was working for two of my father Well, I worked many jobs when I was as a kid, but my first job was working for two of my father's friends in the manufacturing business. But eventually I went into my own business. That's When you came back at 17, your father shortly thereafter passing away. >> A month later. You you continued in Yeshiva or right away work? No, I I worked, but my my father my mother wanted me to go to school and wanted me to continue to go to YU. Which lasted for about 2 years. And that's about it. You didn't grad- You didn't graduate. >> I did not. What were you studying? International marketing, but they didn't really have a business school at the time. It's in the 70s. Now they have a business school, the Sy Syms Business School. So what was your first job? No, working for them. >> [clears throat] >> I'm working for them Manufacturing. In manufac- In manufacturing. >> make? We made We made bags, vacuum cleaner bags. Interesting. Like private label, off off brand. No, for Sears, for Kmart, OEMs. I'm in Not for Electrolux, but we made replacement bags. >> Aftermarket. Yeah. That soon ended and and I went into my own business. I mean I went into a business with them and then I went into my own business. Doing? I I was a I guess best way to describe it is I was a liquidator and I and I liquidated products. I liquidated companies, but assets of I don't know call it a closeout specialist, but I had an idea of what I what I was good at. And I was good at reading balance sheets, and I was also good at um seeing the hidden value behind the company. Is that early 1970s? This is late 1970s. My father died in 70 77, so this was 79 80 81. Mhm. And that was the that was the path of going after companies that had excess I wouldn't call it just excess inventory. They had uh needs to have somebody liquidate product. What's a sample company that you liquidated? I was AT&T's liquidator for many years. And when they broke up in the 80s because they were a monopoly, I would liquidate different um Like phones? Like what what did they have? Were there cell phones then? >> No, no, no. They had phones. They were the largest >> Physical phones? Physical phones, yeah. Cordless, corded. Cord I I had an obligation to buy a certain amount of cordless phones and corded phones every month, and I had a factory re-refurbishing them. We called it renewing them. Also, you had returns. I bought the returns. So, I bought the closeouts that they wanted to [clears throat] get rid of, and I bought the returns, too. And then what would you do with it? I clean them, fix them. And who would you sell them to? Oh, South America, Mexico. Sometimes if it wasn't a batter if it wasn't a plug-in to Europe. We had connections all over the world. When you say we, you had partners or was >> We as usually as Think about me, the bank, and the Abishter. Those [snorts] are three partners. What do you think about that? >> I love it. They're the best partners to have. >> The great the greatest partners. They usually they usually don't end up with a dent in your with you. Uh maybe they do. Maybe [laughter] they have they have ties sometimes. The bank certainly has ties. The Abishter, I don't know. We'll find out You had a warehouse, you had trucks, were you I had uh almost 300 employees for many years. Um I had uh warehouses in four different places in the country. Uh I ran a I ran a sizable >> the name of the company? Emmes Investors. >> M S Investors? >> M E S >> Nicky Schlesinger? No, Schlesinger's not my name, but I appreciate it, okay? No, that's It was It was the names of of my of my brothers and myself. They weren't involved in the business even though they worked there at certain points of But Emmes Investors, like the word for truth. And Emmes, by the way, is my are my initials in English. Starting so young getting to 300 employees, we have a lot of people come on the show that talk about starting businesses, becoming successful in business, what it takes to get business. Last week we had a very popular jeweler and he was talking about getting people on 47th Street to want to give him millions of dollars worth of inventory, how he built up a name and a reputation, etc., etc. Tell me a little bit about from your father passing away to working in a in the guys making bags for vacuum cleaners to starting your own company, getting companies like AT&T to give you liquidation products, to having four distributions and 300 employees. How do you How do you do it? I started off small and just taking on, you know, smaller companies that needed either a specialist. And I was able to sit down and negotiate with them deals. And then eventually I saw where the where the need was in this country. It was pre-internet days. You could You could theoretically I don't know how old you guys are, but you could You could buy from one store You could buy from The Wiz and sell to Crazy Eddie. Can't do that today. Any Any consumer could walk into a store, take his phone and see where he could buy it cheapest in the country. Or probably in the world, for that matter. Right. So I I I went after what I thought was the biggest and the best. The And the best in the phone business at the time, you Again, you're younger than quite younger than me, but people would be in America, they would lease a phone, a phone that cost $30, corded phone, they would lease it for $10 a month. Why? Cuz that's how they did it. They you you you on your bill, you pay $10 a month for your corded phone for your for your push button phone. So I found a niche that a cord a cordless phone was selling at AT&T for $100. A refurbished cordless phone same same phone just cleaned up and fixed sold for $50. I had to buy it for under a certain price and fix it. So what I did was I I developed a a knack of buying product that nobody else would want. Aside from buying closeout product and liquidation product, nobody else would want. I would find a way to get it fixed and I had four different places that I could get it fixed and eventually I bought out my competitors. And I became the largest in the phone business in America. We also did monitors. The categories I knew, can't say today it's it's shiyach, but it's a You can speak Hebrew on this podcast. >> you want. Shiyach, it's not shiyach. Um housewares, toys and games, electronics computers. If a deal like that happened over a million dollars in the '80s and '90s, I [clears throat] was involved in it. Either I was involved as an advisor or I was involved as a as a principal, but I knew about those deals certainly in those categories. If somebody made a deal whether it was Toys R Us getting rid of inventory or Toys R Us wanting inventory, I was always involved in those type of transactions. >> money, your own money, mix? Okay, I'm we're going to pay attention to my answers. I had two partners. Oh, the bank and a sham, right? Got you. Yes and no, Clappy. Bank and a sham? Bank and a sham. I had a line of credit. I had a I had a I had a uh nice line of credit with the bank which took a while to get. But we called it MS Investors cuz I had investors at the time that would invest in deals, not in in the company that >> Specific deals. Specific deals. Almost like almost like the cash advance guys. They have guys that are investing in certain deals. >> Certain specific loans. Much different, but Clappy, I appreciate your your analogy. Much different. How long did you do that for? Over 20 years. And then? Then I was bored with it because it really didn't excite me, so I went into other into other ventures. Some that are some that were successful, some that failed, but I bought into companies. So it was uh I had money to buy into companies. I had investors that trusted me, so it was a it was a nice um it's a nice run for a long time in the phone business. And then things progressed. No personal life um in the '80s, even though I was in a relationship in the '80s. I had a child have a child from that mar- from that relationship, let's call it. And then didn't work that relationship didn't work out and I remarried in the in the '90s in the early '90s and I have three beautiful kids from that marriage. And now I have four stepchildren from my I'm going to call her I don't mean to make make fun and cuz she's definitely going to watch this as she would like to be on the show, too. Um my last wife. This is my last wife. She's the Halivary. Her name is Hanalee and she's my last wife. She has four children, too. So I'm I'm connected to eight children. Um most of them I have a nice relationship with and I'm certainly have a nice relationship with four of my stepchildren. So it's four and four. How old are they? Are they young? Youngest is 23. I'm going to visit him next week. He works for DraftKings. He's a he's a What is it called? A computer analyst? A computer programmer for DraftKings. He lives in Vegas in Las Vegas. I'm going to be with Rabbi Harlick next week. Um I've met him, but spoke to him. Um and uh that's the youngest is 23, the oldest is 42. I have all different in betweens and eight children, eight different colleges, eight different colleges. Currently eight different colleges? >> No, not currently. They're finished. They're all finished. >> They you you done Eight different colors. They all all graduated college. You weren't going to let them get away with this two-year nonsense. Not even that. It was It was they That's their mothers were part of that. My My wife, my current wife, my only wife is uh is Your last wife. Last and only. She is uh she's particular about education. Education's important. I mean, I don't know if it's that important if if you have a moon up shoot up. But uh it's important. So, all of them graduated college and they all went to different They all went to different colleges and all are I can't say that that all of them are as from as I'd like them to be, but they're all have exceptional meters. >> Education keeps coming up on the podcast. How strong are you for everybody going and getting a four-year minimum college education? I'm not for or against it. It depends. It's kind of kind of a PD article. It depends on the child. So, some child Some children should not ever and they should apprentice with somebody who takes care of them and and mentors them. A quick statistic of the eight graduates, are all of them working in the fields they studied or Um S- seven yes, one not, but one one deals with uh one uh analyzes the field, but he's not working in the field. So, he's an exceptional analyst. He's extremely bright. So, what can I tell you? Yes, the answer is yes. >> You do Shove them, right? Oh, yeah. You fast Not for Not for that many years. >> How many years? For those 45 years. >> For those that don't I only found that in eighth grade. A guy was talking about being more from in Shove them and I Everybody in the class >> I'm not from. I didn't say I'm from. I'm from enough. Shove them is Shmais V'Eira B'Shalach yesterday. Mishpatim So, this is the last man. Tomorrow's last day. And what's special about these weeks? >> How many days you fast? >> Everything. I fast 12 or if there's a leap year, I fast 16. So, I told Mickey 16 what? 16 Mondays and Thursdays. 16 Mondays. >> No, and I was eight. Shove them is six letters. So, you fast Mondays and Thursdays of Shove them, which is uh my Shmos V'Eira B'Shalach yesterday Mishpatim. Full days regular fast other than Yom Kippur and Tisha B'Av full days and we also fast the anomalies that his his kids went to the super super super modern army called now middle liberal. It's conservative ox. Heschel is a beautiful school. My oldest son is a teacher a lot of money and well you know Whatever Jewish it's Jewish don't say that they don't accept non-Jews. Okay, he does and he does shove him. It's just a very good show of him and Heschel. [laughter] No, not yet. No, I think he's the first and last parent to ever do I don't know what men last even what's this whole thing? Shove him is is the word doesn't know about this thing. Shove him doesn't know about a lot of things. Okay, what's the problem? These are all your all your all your viewers are no, I'm just saying so what do you want? So about it. Shove of him is is a is a time of the year first of all after every major holiday meaning basically after Pesach and after Sukkot there's something called Bahab. That everybody knows. It's it's a continuation of Bahab in a in a time of the year that you need people in the cloud and not in the cloud people that that feel that they have a need to fast for themselves and for the cloud. I definitely fast somewhat for myself and somewhat for my community. You do Bahab as well? Of course. You know you're not a hungry guy. You might I am hungry believe me. I'm not fasting. That's very nice. >> [laughter] >> I don't want to say nasty things about you but you look like you know what try it all. I am happy with myself. If I if I took the GLP-1 I would I would lose 40 pounds. I'm happy in who I am but tomorrow is a fast day and next week on Monday is a fast day. It does cleanse it does cleanse my body and not be >> in fasting. It's for it's and I and there's a lot of feelings that go along with it but the word shofar in Hebrew copy for your and I know you speak Hebrew but shofar is mischievous. So shofar them are mischievous people. So the fact is that shofar them is you've done things in your life that you regret. Are you Are you a mischievous person? >> I'm not not as much as I was when I was very young. I was quite mischievous. And I have to I have to account for myself. about a little bit more about yourself. So you you We talked more about the mischievous stuff. >> You liquidate You liquidate the the companies. You go You bored of it after many years. The the cell phones and the Nothing was not so I did cell phones too but later on but it wasn't that wasn't really what it was and people studied what I did and they went into similar businesses because it's a science. Let's make it easy. It's a science. If you know the formulas, you know what you're doing, you can you can uh make a lot of money or or you can invest a lot of money. That's that's for sure and you could employ a lot of people. It's an interesting Can I go back a step? Sure. Your father uprooted the family from Eretz Yisrael. Two of us and then we had a third brother. I I have two brothers, an older and a younger. Two of us we we got came on the boat. the What the Zim Zim boat? Was that company that used to do the boating whatever? Zim is one of the largest companies in the world in shipping. >> Right. Yeah. They were the company that used to do the the the the like the instead of the planes the boats back and forth from America to Israel >> Correct. Right but I don't think they did the passenger ships. Definitely did. The story >> Zim did? Zim Zim yeah there's letters from the Rebbe >> It was a Saul Eisenberg owned the company at the time. I don't know Today the Olph Brothers own it. I read letters from the Rebbe who was very upset about them because he said that the He said there's a lot of Shabbos that goes on on the boats and they claim they don't. The Rebbe said I'm an electrical mechanical The Rebbe says that I'm an engineer and I know the halachas and they're over many times health and job. >> I didn't know that. He wasn't a firm person, uh, the owner. >> No, but they had the firm people on the boat and they made it sound like they were firm. Your father I never heard this before. This is the first time I heard this in my life. Your father left with the family from Eretz Yisrael because he was upset that they brought Eichmann into Israel? Yes. >> What should they do with him? No, he wanted to kill him. Okay, so the Israeli government killed him. So Well, they tried him. He didn't want that. He want a country that's going to try him in his mind. >> Why? It was good. It was good PR. And I know what it You and I know what it was, okay? But my father at the time said, "Why would they even keep him alive for a second?" In his mind, I want to be I want to be with my sister and and experience her She had no children, by the way. She died with no children. Mickey, you mentioned you mentioned mischievous. Where's the the first time you met? Do you remember? That I was mischievous? >> No, the word the first time we met. Oh. That's the first time we met? >> First time we met. You're kidding me. First time we met? You're kidding. You came to visit me in Fort Dix. Fort Dix? >> Yeah, I came to visit you. >> No, but I heard about you first. My parent My family went to our cousins, the Mandels. Right. And they said, "Moishe, we met this guy. We were there for Shabbos. This guy was in the cheese business in TOWER CITY." >> OH. AND THEY SAID, "You know, my he's related to Chabad." And then he was going on and on. I heard so much about you like from the radio. And I didn't put two together and then I met you in Fort Dix. That's right. >> Dix. Fort Dix is a prison, a federal prison. Federal prison? Where? New Jersey. I I've I've visited at least 50 prisons, state and federal in many states. >> Well, how would you not know Fort Dix? Fort Dix I know it's a You're right. Fort Dix is in New Jersey. I didn't know it was a prison. You were in You spent some some quality time in in Fort Dix. >> call it quality, but I spent [laughter] time there. You can call it whatever you want. By the way, I know you have, uh, food here. What do you have here? Or there's no such thing? Uh, can we get water? >> Is that possible? No, just it's a little Um, it's dry in the room. Is he? I'm sorry. Ari? Ari is his Ari. You have water? No, if you do. If you don't, it's okay. I don't want I don't want it to be pressure. Yeah, it's fine. No, I >> [clears throat] >> don't mind. I just No, it's just a little It's dry in the room. Yes. Don't feel it's dry. It's great. We're still recording, right? Okay, go on. So, we're going to get the water. So, He brought up four dicks. That's not crass. That's the first time I've met him. No, no, but it's very nice. He met me. We knew people in common. I wouldn't bring their name, but see, I wouldn't bring You can. Okay, fine. Yeah. We met We knew people in common. He was extremely kind, and we talked Well, he's a very kind person. Beyond that, when you when you have Chabad, let's call it a shlichus to meet people in prison, most people are not only depressed and and out Thank you so much. Oh my gosh, this is fantastic. Okay, most people are not happy being there. Some people feel it's it's their their destiny. So, I I felt it was okay, but it's not okay to be in prison. It's It's a It's It's rough. It's rough on the family more than it's rough on you. Amen. How does a nice Jewish boy like you end up in in four dicks? First of all, I'm not nice. I'm certainly Jewish, and that's what Hashem wanted. It's very simple. It's not It's not because I am a bad person. It's That's That's a direction. When you do when you do things in life, I I don't want to get into the deep state of America. When you do things in life that are that are in the gray area, if the government wants you, certainly in America, they get you. It's very simple. And it's very easy. Everybody's Everybody's doing things that I I I went with Chabad when I was 21 to Rikers Island to visit people who lost hope. Lost hope. Years later, I was in prison myself, but not in Rikers Island. I was in [clears throat] federal prison. So, to me, there was there was a concept of uh you're supposed to be here for a reason because that's the way the system works. I'm not saying everybody should be khos v'shalom, but but people get people get uh caught up in different things, and and that's what happens. Right. Prior to being in prison, obviously, there's usually a grand jury, and there's a DA, and there's investigations. No, I want to get to a certain point. I was told by a guy that works for the DA. He said that a person that's being indicted or investigated by the federal government or even the state, you know, the the AG or whatever, they say it's like it's like 20 it's 20 times worse the stress and the pressure and the harassment is like a million times worse than being diagnosed with some disease or ailment. Tell me if you >> me let me say something. The person you spoke to in the DA's office, did they ever go through a disease? No, I'm just curious. It's based on statistics that people go through crazy stress levels. >> the stress level I didn't feel that. Nothing? No. You were cool? >> I felt bad for my my children. You being investigated and being being prosecuted >> it was part it was part of the process. I'm not saying it's a good process. I didn't feel that stress. I felt stress for the family. I felt stress for the person I was married to at the time. I felt stress for my children. I still feel stress for my children because it comes up sometimes. And it when it comes up, it's uh it's not pleasant. It's not a pleasant experience to when you want to be honest and you don't want to be mischievous, you don't want to be shovem, and you have to be honest, you have to say it the way it is, and kids who are resilient uh are offended by the fact that you were in prison. It's >> young at the time? Yeah. They Some were young, some were older, but uh they were not happy about it. And they and they and they suffered from it. They suffered in the schools, they suffered in with their friends. I'm sure they they they are better today as adults, but they suffered they suffered from me being away. I I one thing I'll say on on this podcast or any podcast, uh any parent that thinks that it's that one parent can be both parents doesn't know what it is to be parent to be a parent. Can't a mother can't be a mother and a father and a father can't be a mother and a father. Even though people do think that. They think that they can do it if you if you don't have the the foundation, you're you're lost. I see >> I'm not a new I don't I don't only agree with you. I don't even think it's enough for a father and a mother. I think you need bubbies, zaydies, uncles, aunts, and a full-time maid. The problem the problem that's a >> very nice >> Yeah, I know you're being serious but sometimes you don't have the grandfathers or in in my in my children's lives, my father was not alive. >> But if they're alive, they have to be involved. Yeah, but there's there's certain types of of grandparents. Some grandparents are very involved and some grandparents are not involved at all. They're just casual relationships. A father and mother is the is the foundation to who you are and and what you're all about. I mean, I see it and I see it not even going into the Gamorah that you're very you are very much like some of your relatives. You're like when a when a man meets a woman, he looks at her brothers to see what his children will be like. I'm not even getting into that but we had a extensive family in Israel. My father had a an only an only sister here that was you know Mickey, how long was your first stint? I was in One thing for sure, he was the happiest person there. No, no, wait we just talked about >> We don't talk with the J word here. It's hot gaja. Yeah. >> What? No, we can. We talk in riddles here. We don't talk No, that's fine. Uh He was so happy he said Moshi, I remember something very clear. I said Moshi, let's bring a keyboard into the prison. I said, what? What did you say to me, Moshi? Yeah, let's bring in the keyboard. Like, how do we do that? So, Moshi, just park the car in the lot. Okay. Okay. >> [laughter] >> And somehow >> Some people do watch this. >> [laughter] >> Okay. Let Let just for a second. I was like, "Whoa." It was It was 60 months. >> gabbai. He was momish the boss. He ran the whole ship there. Okay, 60 months. I probably 60 I after trial uh and I did 40-something months. That's 3 years. No, it's closer to 4 years. >> More. Yeah, it's closer to 4 years. And that was from 2005 to 2009. And then I had another stint as you just said, first, second, which was um again, not speaking badly about anybody, but uh when you have a when you have a system that's broken, I got a much uh worse sentence and I did um 39 months, or a little less than 39 months. And Baruch Hashem, I just got off of probation as I told you. You would say you did about a combined 7, 8 years? Combined 12 years. 12? Yeah. You said 60 that turned into 40, which is like I didn't tell you how much the second one was. I said it's a long time, 12 years, like Yosef Yitzchak. Did they hit you harder the second time since you had a record? >> It's not that. It has nothing to do with the record. It has to do with who your judge is. And we're not getting into that now, even though I'd love to. Love to. But uh But you're off probation. No, let's not do that, but it's but You know, I drove to Mickey's house like I don't know, 5 months ago. Mickey, I said, "Mickey, I would love to do a do a show together." And I come over, he's like, "Mickey, you're on probation." I said, "Mickey, forget it. I don't want to do it until you're done." So, a few weeks ago, right? You got the letter? I got the letter, which most people don't get. I got it. I never bothered them. >> the letter? If your probation's over, it's over. >> Yeah, you're okay. They don't send it. They're not really what I would call efficient. They sent it to me. I never bothered them. In in 5 years I'm out of Mitzi Sham, 5 years, uh Pesach. They do not uh send the letters. I got a letter, Baruch Hashem. Mickey, you're super you're a super successful entrepreneur. If you could give um lessons for the next generation if you're cuz it's it's a weird thing. You have an entrepreneur, you take risks, right? Always. It's it's one big risk. You know, I always I asked this therapist once on an interview. I said, "What's the difference in a gambler and a She was like, "Add a gambler and a gambler and a businessman." Oh, but but if it affects your life, it does I said, "What do you mean?" She couldn't give me a straight answer cuz I I mean, gambler, the odds are against you. So, I guess that's the biggest difference, right? And in business, the odds are not against you? Well, >> [laughter] >> if you I'll give you I'll I'll give it to you in a nutshell. And by the way, I appreciate you saying I'm a successful entrepreneur. Success is not measured with how much money you had. How much money you have. Success is measured by how how happy you are. Right. I've been happy with no money and I've been successful with a lot of money. So, it it doesn't work that way. It's In my opinion, and I'm I'm not going to about this program. It's exera from Hashem. If Hashem wants you to be successful monetarily, you're going to be. If you want me to give advice as a person who has been successful monetarily and has been happy most of my adult life, even when I was away, uh the it's more about how you feel It's really PMA. Another nice thing. Positive mental attitude. If you have positive mental attitude, you're successful. If you don't, you're not successful. That to me is is the most important thing in anything you do. It's like today, I wasn't sure I was coming, I'm not coming, and you called me a few times. Oh, yeah. And I said I said to myself, I made a commitment. I want to I want to come, and I I did. So, I you know, I I got in the car and I did it. If you If you have that positive attitude in your life, you're always going to make it. By the way, I just want to make a thing we were talking about fasting before. There are eight erev Rosh Chodesh fasts that we fast also. Let alone You shouldn't know from this, but you're supposed to fast on your parents' yahrzeit. I Both of my parents are not alive anymore, so I fast on the yahrzeit, but eight fasts. You can't fast in Tishrei. You can't fast in Nissan. You can't fast on the the acronym is hot sauce. You can't fast on certain things but eight of them you can't fast unless it's on a shop unless the Arab was got to show on a shop. >> But Mickey once told me that when she as a kid I knew is either going to be on the front page of Fortune magazine. Forbes. Forbes magazine or >> there. or I would end up in prison. in prison. I got you. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, I'm happy to say jail and say I said it. I want to ask you a little bit about the the the life in jail if God forbid anybody is facing it Yeah, good. Is anybody been sentenced? And Mickey helped a lot of people you before and right Mickey? >> Before going in and coming out. [clears throat] You you were in was medium or or minimum or maximum? >> Do you want a lesson in this cuz that's not really shy to this podcast but I'm happy to answer it. I was in the camp I was in camp. Camp at the bottom the easy one. There's no easy. Prison is prison. There is no easy but I was in a camp and even though during COVID they put you into a medium in Otisville but I was in a camp also in Fort Dix. It's nothing's nothing's easy about it. You have to make it easier for you and you have to have to make your time go by and time does go by. You got it. How long did it take to become used to it every time you went? A month in a week in? It's not if if you believe it's it's Yada Hashem it's immediate. >> Immediate is So the first day you went If you believe it's Yada Hashem it's immediate. I I just had a yard site on Monday for someone who died in prison. >> Oh yeah. And it was special man to me. Who was that? What names? No, I'm sorry it's hard to say cuz people are going to hear it and they're going to say I shouldn't have said his name. >> No, it's fine. They're going to say it. Okay, it's fine Mickey. He's a he's a well known respected person. I loved him. Say it. Sheldon Silver. Ah, God should be with you. And and God should be with you. So we had a soda for him on on Monday. The last time I saw him he was in a cell. I was leaving. It was five years ago. And he asked me to come over to the cell which was a little bit sh difficult. You have to know what you were doing. And he said goodbye to me. And I never forget it. And it was your outside was his fourth year outside was it? >> What was the last thing he told you, Mickey? I'll never see you again. I'm sad about it right now. He said it? Mhm. Wow. What did he have? What did he have? You know, what did he have? What did he have? He did but we took care of him and then they sent him he he came out and then he was sent to a went back in cuz of terrible person. Who was that? A terrible person. >> We we were on Who's that? Curtis Sliwa and other people. Um >> He went back to prison because of him? He didn't even think He went He went He came out cuz of COVID. They made a big stink that he shouldn't have gone out cuz he's corrupt. Wasn't in my opinion but >> like a hung jury the first time around? >> a whole It was a It was a story. And but he was So, I have in my in my daf sheer in the morning we have about three guys that are Hatzalah and he really helped Hatzalah. Helped everybody. >> Helped everybody. Period, okay? But Jews, non-Jews, he helped everybody. >> helped everybody and I remember and I went to his levaya which I had to get permission to go. And it was >> had to You were out of prison and you had to get permission? I had to get permission to go to his levaya. Cuz you were on probation. >> Right. Ah, okay. When they say the expression you can indict a a cockroach or a hamster. >> A hamburger. What does that mean, Mickey? >> A ham sandwich or something. I don't know what it means but it goes back to what we were talking about before about the deep state. It's if they want to indict you, they'll indict you for jaywalking. First of all, I testified in front of two grand juries. You have like 25 people sitting there sleeping. I hear the snoring there. >> testify for? No, it's they only go by packages and stuff, whatever. I had the camera, whatever. Two times all the stealing goes on in Crown Heights. So, two times in front of a grand jury, I see why it's so easy to indict somebody. It's a joke. They say like there's 25 people off the streets, bunch of yokels, you know, they're sitting there they get paid. >> if you're dumb enough not to get off jury, then you're this right Ricky, they say that? I've been on two juries. I've been a foreman of a jury, also. You talking, Malcolm. I love these cats. >> [laughter] >> Someone told me if you're dumb enough not to get off jury, then you have to realize that you're dealing with people who aren't stupid enough to somehow get out. No, they have the young the young college graduate war graduate 25-year-old gets up and says, "Do we have probable cause to believe this person is stealing packages?" And they show some evidence and that's it, they're indicted. Boom, it takes 2 seconds. >> It's not It's not a difficult thing, especially not in the Southern District of New York. They even indicted Trump and we all know he's innocent. Come on. Beyond that, Trump is the greatest president we've ever had. And And that will ever be. Ever be, okay? And certainly for for Yidden and certainly for Israel. And there's no not even You can't compare. Can we get him a Can we get him a third term? Is there a way to do it? >> I don't know, but the fact is indicting him cuz you have a you have a witch hunt. On what? For what reason? Doesn't Doesn't even make sense. The whole thing doesn't make sense, but that's what they wanted to do cuz they wanted to cuz that's what they felt. It's all political. If you're successful in America, they want you to be down. If you're down, they want the underdog to win. I It's the way the world works. >> People love when you go up and they're even happier when you go down. >> It's very sad, by the way. And something that I I actually discussed last night at at a engagement party with somebody about one of my Chabad friends from Pomona. Um I have no problem when I speak in shul at shul shuddis when people are screaming out things because they need to. So, it's a it's a tough crowd, but I could speak to 100 brokers or 1,000 people in an audience and nobody speaks. Volume you hear a pin drop. You in a room with 25 Yidden at shul shuddis and they want to give you a little bit of arrows about your speech and about what your divrei Torah should mean or could mean or what you should have spoken about. That's the way they are. So, people people find that they they have pleasure in other people's downfall. It's sad. It's a sad commentary on our on our on our callous >> human race. Human You said you came but you said you came in with a positive attitude and then with a ya- you knew what the yad Hashem It's yad Hashem. Like a gzeira, if you're going to make money is a gzeira from Hashem. It's a gzeira from Hashem if you have to what do you call it? You would appreciate if you would put this phone away. >> [laughter] >> But but you but but but yeah, my shina phone. But we but but listen, you coming from a comfortable thick mattress, Tempur-Pedic mattress >> Means nothing to me. >> with thick pillows and you go what? To like a little thing this big? >> It's not even that. If you you I can This by the way, this is for different podcast, different time. >> Yeah. I can go from A to Z, you won't have an We won't have It'll take between 5 and 6 hours to give you from A to Z. It's terrible. It's prison and it's not a pleasant place to be. No one should ever have to go there. And those who do go there and come out, they try to break your spirit. The key is they try to break your spirit. I'll give you a a little example. Um when I was in Otisville the last time You were with Rubashkin? No, Rubashkin was in the medium. Rubashkin, the day I got sentenced, Rubashkin got out. Same day? Same day. So, um when you're when you have counselor, whoever the counselor is who um wants to aggravate you and you have a chapel that you're davening in and you there are 54 Jews out of 128 people, 54. 54 out of 128 are Jewish in this prison? >> this prison. Not everybody comes to minyan, but a lot come to the minyan cuz it's a place that you could they could connect to Hashem. And there's a glass cuz it can't be it can't be behind closed doors, so there's a glass into the chapel with thousands of sefarim, thousands in Otisville specifically. And when the counselor comes to the window and he knocks on the door and he calls you out, me specifically, and I'm and I'm wearing tfillin. For your audience who doesn't know the word tfillin, phylacteries. Equally so. >> calls you out and I said, "Counselor so-and-so, why are you calling me out?" And he says, "Cuz I can." "Cuz I can." "Cuz I can." >> That's abuse of power. Whatever. That's That's And you go back in and people in the in the meeting are [clears throat] tittering. They're actually They're nervous. The next day he does it again. Only you? >> only to me cuz only you only me because if you can get somebody who's a leader theoretically and you can make him uncomfortable, everybody else is uncomfortable. But I wasn't uncomfortable. And I would I would come back to the person and say, "You know, you're You're being a little bit silly." Imagine if it was a Muslim or Christian. He wouldn't do it. But to Jews who are davening, he would do it because he can. Though that's the type of thing that >> Power trip. It's power trip and he makes 16, 24 an hour. No, I don't know what he makes and I and I don't care what he makes. He should He should He should be He should make a lot of money. It makes no difference. That's the game of trying to break your spirit. You can't break somebody's spirit who can't who can't be broken. Who, by the way, who who fasts over him. Can't break the spirit. Mickey, were you after your first stint, were you trying to be more careful in your It wasn't that. It wasn't that and that's why I I don't want to talk about people but it it it's um You try to be careful about everything you do. It doesn't work as easily as you want. There's always a gray area. I'm not saying it it makes sense and I'm I'm not happy I did but there's a gray area and that gray area can get you in trouble or not and you don't want to You don't want to take people along with you. Just for general rule, eight out of 10 people give up other people to get less time. Mhm. One out of 10 has no one to give up. Mhm. And one out of 10 doesn't give up anybody. That's a key factor if in America eight out of 10 I'm talking about of our people, too. It's very sad. It's a sad commentary, but you have to know what you you have to know who you are and what you're all about. And your personality doesn't change from seven to 70. You know the expression in Hebrew? To 70? Seven to 70, not 770. From seven micheva leshivim lo mishtanim. From seven to 70, you don't change. >> I never heard this before. I just told you. You know there are a lot of these things before unless you had other people on the podcast that Mickey, looking back, what you've done in No, wait. He's finishing. He's seven to 70. People >> [laughter] >> No, I was I was saying right. He's saying 90% of the people are rats. Exactly. 80 because 10% don't have to. If they had, they would rat on you. In a second. >> So there's 90% of people. >> Sad. Okay. So you were you're you're from the 10% of the good ones. >> say I was, but I am. You're a shave of them guy. Shave of them don't rat. Shave of them don't want to rat because they believe there's an there's another world after this. And when you get up to that world, they're going to say, "Well, why'd you give up?" Mickey, on your your first thing, did you at one point say, "Oh, this is already a gray area?" Or did you realize, "Okay, maybe now they're going to I didn't think that way. You didn't think you shouldn't doing business? No, I did business cuz when I was successful in my 20s and 30s and even in my 40s, I didn't think that way. I just I went I went forward and and this is the opportunity that came along. This is the opportunity that I did. So it doesn't always work that way. There's opportunities that come all all the time. You don't know who necessarily you're dealing with. So baruch hashem, you you try to connect yourself with people that you trust. Some are trustworthy, some are not trustworthy. >> What would you do different? I would I would find I I would vet out the people I'm involved with more. You think people pulled you into It's not that. I would vet people out. I would vet people out more. I would uh I would make myself I'm disciplined as a person. I would uh find a way to tell people, for example I I try not to work after chosson. not that I try not to work after somebody wants me to come in tomorrow to where I'm working now and says can you come out I I said I won't answer any questions for you he says why is it cuz from motzei shabbos from 72 minutes after sunset till midday on Friday you can ask me whatever you want so there's certain things if I would be more disciplined I would say learning is essential for me I don't want I don't want to miss you know >> do you have a minyan? I do dive a few times but I do dive with a special group of people at 7:30 to 8:15 every day. >> you're saying to avoid trouble in the in the past you would avoid you would vet people better Vet people and and be more disciplined as to what I do every day and I was I will not if you tell me I I the podcast that I did >> would vet people in your both your both stints you think you would avoided any legal issues trouble? >> You are who you hang around with maybe you got around got got around the wrong people. The answer to that question is it would have happened anyway. >> Would have happened anyway. >> Yeah anyway. Because? That's that's >> Cuz the people want they don't want to be they don't want you to be happy they don't want you to be successful so they want you to be in trouble. It's almost like loan to own they want to lend you money in order to own you. It's the same thing they want they want to be in business with you so they can get you in trouble cuz they can't get in trouble. And if they get in trouble they want to get you in trouble so they don't have to do anything about it. That's just the way that's the way of the world. >> Do you take any responsibility Mickey? >> All of it. >> You do? Of course. So you're saying I mean is that a real question? No I just want to no no >> [laughter] >> much is that a real question? >> I'm just cuz you said >> Go back to your phone. Mickey you said >> I mean come on I don't tell me saying is that a real question? >> said you would vet people better which means you're blaming other people. No I'm not I said what I would do differently right but I I'm taking full responsibility what are you you about? And because of that by the way I have great friends. Not a lot, but I have great friends. >> I know one of them very much. >> Okay. By the way, by the way, we're going to forget the most important part. Uh the person who who People people need to save money and there is breaking news in the world of cars. Okay. >> got off the phone with my best buddy Saul from Wheels to Lease. >> Oh, we're very close. We speak almost every day now. Like I I like I don't know if he I don't know if he adopted me or I adopted >> [laughter] >> My great Saul Hershkop from Wheels to Lease. They've been in business over 40 years. Wow. Wow. He tells me now, Izzy, the numbers came out for this month. Cars are back to pre-COVID numbers. Nissan Sentra Wheels to Lease, 200 bucks a month. >> Wow. What? >> get your kid into a car for the price of a cell phone. >> What? >> [laughter] >> 200 bucks a month. >> Yeah, it's insane. Honda Odysseys >> Wow. back to the low 400 hour numbers. >> Wow. Pi um um um what do you call it? The uh Nissan Pathfinders loaded >> heard >> 400 something range. What I just >> are crazy. The numbers are back to being great. I heard that the inventories are crazy high these days. Sales are down. No, no, no. Not Wheels to Lease is busier than ever. No, I'm saying because sales are down, I heard it's like hundreds of billions of dollars Is that true? Yeah. Hundreds of billions of dollars in What they say in inventory are currently on the market? Like the days like 120 days worth of inventory? Is is it Which means there's good deals. >> Lavy was saying we were talking about cars and we were saying how people are getting the Genesis, they're having a midlife crisis, and all the fancy cars. But at Wheels to Lease, no matter what you want to drive, they get you the wheels a few hours later for the best price ever. Nice. Another one of our amazing, incredible sponsors we always had on for the last 5 months we had on Our first sponsor. Yeah, our first sponsor, of course. CH Biltong. We were having their Biltong. Yes. 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The ultimate herring kichel original flavor. So there's a original People say they People say they enjoy when they see you eat herring. Could you please do that for the for the audience? >> Over 32 flavors we have the jalapeno matzah. We have the red pepper >> in the food business. Are we getting into that now? I'm just on topic that's it. >> Oh okay very good. small salmon Moshi which one are we tasting today? >> know. You know some people told us so unprofessional you're eating food and then people say that you know [laughter] that's our favorite part of the show. seeing everyone eat Tell us about Tell us about the food options you have in Pomona today. I hear the food matzah in Pomona is oyam venira. No not? oyam venira? >> oyam venira good You saying good in the past? Good. oyam venira is usually bad. oyam [laughter] venira good No we have a bunch of places but I I can't really speak negatively about things. We we have a great supermarket. We have a We have a Smashburger. We have Olympia Olympia >> Ricky are you going to have herring or you said >> you. It's not shabbos. Getting ready for shabbos. No shabbos is tomorrow. Last shabbos and last mem is tomorrow. The end mem is tomorrow. What's it like being in the Upper East Side Hassle parent doing shav'ing? Like Is that a problem? It's just so strange It's so like >> What's strange about it? It's just so Actually, people would say that other people are strange. I don't I don't find it to be strange at all. I just told you. >> funny. It's so like It's so I don't know the word is. You sit down on our heim now. We do down in these times. I forgot. Our heim That's where I met Eddie. Yeah. Amen. It's a gesund. Mhm. So good. Mhm. So good. Happy. I can eat roskens herring all day long. I can't eat it other than shabbos for some reason. I enjoy it on shabbos. >> used to eating roskens. Roskens you can eat every day of the week. >> [laughter] >> Okay. I get it. Maybe you're right. You can go with that Mickey, right? You can run with that. >> right. The biltong by the way is is very very good. It's a South African thing. Delicacy. >> I think I know who makes it. Oh, we also have something coming up Not that this is a sponsor, but we have I just think we have some pizza stores in in Pomona, Monsey. Somebody's opening up a diner type of operation. Yes, Mickey. Can we do a shout out for your wife? You mentioned it briefly. >> Shout out for my wife. She's the challah fairy. Challah What does she do? She's a She's [clears throat] a challah baker for many many many years and she's called the challah fairy and she had a cafe in New City for 10 years. She says the best day It's almost like buying a a yacht or a boat. The best day of the is There's two good two good days in buying a boat. When the day you buy it and the day you sell it, right? She had the best day. The best day she um she had in the cafe after 10 years in New City, which now is much more firm, was the day she closed her store. >> [laughter] >> She still has She still has a bunch of customers and she still bakes challah and which she has a hashgacha. She delivers where? Deliver? >> do sourdough? [clears throat] She does. Sourdough is such a religion. We buy it every week. >> It's $3,000. I don't know what it's like. I think the Rubashkins make it. Rubashkin? We buy it from the guy in Crown Heights that's up there. >> No, Rubashkin in Crown Heights makes Oh, we don't know. We don't know what his name is. Maybe he's a sponsor. But I have Hold on. I do have a sponsor of my channel. Can we mention it and then we'll give you also challah? One second. I have a sponsor of my own channel for sourdough. Do you want to If we mention it, you get also. I get a challah? I'll get you also. You'll get me a challah? >> I'll get you sourdough. I would only eat that challah with Rubashkin herring. >> [laughter] >> Should we mention them or not? Or you first have to taste it before you want to make a deal. I want to tell you something. The sourdough The sourdough that I get every single Shabbos for the last 10 years, a place I think on Bedford Avenue, it's godly. Got you. I've had people >> want to talk any further. I have to bring you a sample of my sponsor's sourdough. You let me know if you like it and then we'll maybe consider over here. I should maybe brought you My wife's sourdough today. And how do people order, Mickey? What's the website? Is there What's it called? What's it called? She's the Challah Fairy. Challah Fairy Google? Look her up on Instagram or I I have no idea. Instagram and >> spend your time now? I work. I work regularly um in different areas. >> They're watching you with magnifying glasses. Yeah. Still or not anymore? No. Um yes and no. I work I work every day. I advise people every day. I learn every day. >> He helps people with with legal issues. >> Legal issues, baruch He's really nice. Which is a nice thing. You tell people with a lawyer don't tell them because they just want to bill you. >> Lawyers don't know. They just don't know. >> Mickey, perfect. Mickey, with all your legal background, give us >> Legal background? >> [laughter] >> Legal advice. >> Or illegal background. >> What's about the law? >> Mickey, what's Tell us things people should know about hiring lawyers. What do you advise? There There are There are a bunch of great um criminal lawyers, but they don't know once you get past the step of being in prison, they have no clue about how to help people in prison or out of prison. >> in prison somebody act like the game is over. You already got Yeah, but they don't but they but you're supposed to get advice on of how to deal with it. So they don't they >> to get like a retrial or No. resentencing or No, nothing to do with that. >> Just give me an example. How to act how to deal with they have they have consultants who are people who are experts at how to deal with being in prison. >> Ah, it's a different industry. Yeah, but the lawyers should have people on their you know on their staff. >> Yeah, Mickey, I understand. >> I don't do that officially. >> want to pay you they can't >> No, there's no payment for chesed. Okay. Chesed is the key to our existence. Do you know that? >> know chesed. You bought it. Spread down. >> about chesed. So my wife when she when she listens to this podcast she says to me, "You're wrong, Mickey." But that's okay. Chesed is [snorts] super important on an And by the way, chesed takes away anger. You're angry about something and you go do chesed and I get angry sometimes. Doing chesed changes your entire approach to anything you do. In my opinion. I mean maybe >> gets legal trouble, do you advise to go to trial or settle? 97% of the people who go to trial >> get convicted. >> get convicted. So you advise >> Maybe 3%. I think the Southern District is even more. Do you advise to settle? There's no plea deal. Plea is better but it depends on the case. So generally you have a general one way or the other? Depends on the case. But you said 3% win so it doesn't make sense to save yourself. >> going to be the 3%. No. Does it make sense to it doesn't make sense just to plea out? So why do I need a lawyer then? >> the To get you a good plea deal. To get you a good deal, exactly. We could talk about that some more. >> Yeah, can we talk on on the side after this? >> to tell I would have to tell you about names of people in this No names. Just ask and I have to answer. >> There's certain there's certain lawyers who are specialists in in in getting plea deals and there's and there other lawyers who want to fight. The ones who want to fight just it's about the money. Oh, they bill you by the hour and you lose and they get the money anyways. They get the money up front. They don't get the They don't get the money cuz once you're in, you're never paying them, so. So there's no way to >> get what you pay for in a lawyer or not? Depends. It depends on the lawyer. Yeah, overall. No. You don't get what you pay for. You might get for someone who's a specialist in in playing at a Satmar's, but generally not. So what should someone be paying for a uh uh It doesn't work that way. It the the better Can you throw a number out? There there are ones that are $25,000 and there are ones that are $250,000 to walk into the walk into the door. And they're not worth it? They are worth it? Or hit or miss? Depends. It all depends. It depends on the case. >> It sounds like you only need a good lawyer if you're going to trial. If you're not going to trial, why need a good lawyer? You just have to get a good plea deal. They know how to do it. There are there are certain lawyers no names that are specialists in that. So that's the way it works. It's not even worth talking about because each case is different. Case by case. >> Case by case. And and >> What about legal defender? Could they be good? Legal defender as far as what? >> Like a free the free lawyers the government give you. Public defender. >> Public defender. They're terrible. They're what? Let him? They're not. They're not. >> We asked the professional if >> They're not. I'm not a professional, okay? But I would say that >> with enough people and have experience with >> Public defenders in general are less valuable than the ones that are getting paid. Some are good. What's your advice to somebody to stay out of legal trouble? Is there a way to stay out? Just stay in Kollel. >> [laughter] >> No, then they'll get you for having all the programs in Kollel. Why are you laughing? Then they'll get you for the programs. Why are you laughing? Then they'll get you for being on the programs. Stay in a real Kollel. Stay in a Kollel that you don't that the programs are not paying you ever. If somebody in your in your world that wants to support you is willing and the Issachar arrangement, then stay in Kollel. You will never get in trouble. You'll be learning all day. You'll be happy. You'll be hopefully you'll be happy, but it's not so easy to learn all day. >> Did you see the video yesterday going super viral of probably I don't know what type of girl if she went through a maz or fresh or something weird but she basically Something weird. I was there when she went through a maz. She's making a siyum. She's making us see her on a gemara at her chuppah. Oh. Oh, did not see it. What's wrong with that? It's not allowed. I wonder. If the girl's making the siyum, what's the husband going to do? I'm saying what's weird. Don't come about where ladies don't learn gemara. What do you mean there? Don't come about girls where learn gemara in mesifta. You ever saw a bob at your girl making a siyum at a wedding holding a gemara raffi? That's amazing by the way. That's the delay of the chuppah. Yeah, yesterday I saw it. By the way, I want to just make an apology. Ramaz and Frisch probably amazing schools. They are amazing. I I meant to say LIKE THEY'RE IT'S LIKE OUT OF THE BOX THAT A GIRL IS making a siyum on a gemara. What do you mean there? In Israel they have women who know about about halacha they call to'anit. Rabbanit, they know more about halacha than a lot of rabbonim. What about if girls want to start going to kollel when the men work? It doesn't work. Die time color. Mickey, if you have a friend or family who's incarcerated, how do you advise how to deal with them in terms of visiting? How important could you talk about visitation? Too much, too little? And how important or not important is it? >> It's extremely important to visit people in prison and to support them obviously. You have you have an organization called Aleph who's very helpful. There are many organizations. You also have somebody in Crown Heights Rabbi Spitzer. He's extremely Spritzer. Spritzer, sorry. That's like Schlissel. Schmoo Spritzer. [laughter] He is a special person. There are many different organizations you have. All kinds of different people who help people go through the process but they do it, you know, they don't do it as someone who's been through it. They do it as somebody who knows of it. But visit visiting and letter writing and email, they all prisons nowadays have email correspondence even though they they monitor your emails. So it's a very important thing to keep the family interactive. The family to be part of the the process and to be on more than anything else to be honest. Cuz if if you're not, eventually the it's much worse to say I didn't do something than to say I did do something and here I am to connect to your family. What was it like telling your kids the first time? Um You did it one by one or was it like >> story and they were younger and not simple and it it borders on on torture if you really think about it. But they they had no they had no no concept of of who I really was. I mean they know who I was as a person, but they didn't really know what my deep feelings are emotions were. So it's hard to really give them the the emotions. The second time it was much it wasn't easier but I I I spoke straight to them and they were Cuz kids are resilient, but they're but they still they still suffer. They definitely suffer from being away. And on on many levels they just suffer, so I know from my experience things that I've done in my life for a long time and now that I don't have to experience it every single day. So every day now has more value and meaning that I'm not dealing with those situations. What does that mean? >> Situations like what? >> Like I had to work for like 14 years like early morning to late at night at a at a job and it was like >> You're saying he was in a virtual prison working 9-5 for >> Whatever it was the 9-5 and now that I'm not doing that every day when I wake up I'm already like I'm a higher. It's like feel so good. A regular person doesn't spend time in prison. Somebody that spend time in prison, when you wake up in the morning is that like such a good feeling to just be like free? It's no different. Really? >> It's no different. >> You don't appreciate your day I I appreciate being with my family. I don't appreciate I I learned more in prison. I'm talking about All right. All right. than I learned on the outside and I learn quite a few hours every day. So it's not it's a question of how you spend your time. I won't say that that a lot of people who live on the outside and are not in federal prison or maximum state prison or county prison. I wouldn't say that people on the outside are not in their own prison because a lot of people live in their own prison. >> So it's a mindset. All about a mindset. It's back to PMA. You could use that by the way. PMA you can't pick up your phone but you can use that. >> [laughter] >> Every show has a sticker. We had kicker wins now we have PMA. What's kicker wins? We had a guest who uh uh from Monroe Oh. was talking about Kirkland Costco brand and he said kicker wins and it went viral. >> Oh Kirkland. Yeah. He said people are buying kicker wins and selling it on the open market. And I was like what are you talking about? Kirkland. Mickey what's the worst thing about being incarcerated? I love by the way that we're we're focused on this part of the podcast. >> That's the most thing but what people want to know. Everybody else you could see. Why would they want to know? I I am wearing t-shirts. What are No the scarf the scarf. I'll put it on cuz it's hot in here. Mickey's very intriguing. What's intriguing about it? Haven't I given you enough? Okay ask the It's mysterious. Go ask the What's the hardest part? About being in prison? >> Yeah. Not being with your family. Family's the main thing. That's it. Not about intimacy it's not about anything else like that. It's not being with your family. It's not about the food. Otisville people become more from or less from? What's what's your experience? Not you the the the community whatever you call them. What they were before they are after. Were there were there were there rabbis there? I heard there was a famous rabbi that spent a lot of time there. Was there a rabbi there when you were there? No but I I was I was involved with him a little bit. When the rabbis in Otisville do they give shirim? I wasn't there but it's possible. But you're saying Mickey people stay the same from level not more not less. Pretty much. They might have a more emunah but they stay they stay the same level. Yeah. More I would say more people possibly put on tzitzit. Listen, it's very similar to going through October 7th. There are more people who connect Hashem on some level. It doesn't mean on all levels, but they connect to Hashem cuz they know that there's somebody that's Do they usually get along better in or that Same. Same. So, the same fights, the same issues. It's It's It's uh I'm not happy being here. Therefore, I'm going to fight with anybody who can who can fight with me. And it's not a pleasant You're saying they're looking for fights? They're looking to find a way to make their time easier. Also, a fight makes it easier? Every time you have a controversy, makes it easier for you. You feel better about yourself. I don't feel that way, but people do feel that way. Do they usually stick together usually? Generally, cuz You ever go visit people there now? I can't anymore. >> You're not allowed to visit once you leave? No, it not not everybody. >> they have to throw you in, then they don't want you back in and then if you want to Not not everybody. You they don't let They don't let me. You're banned? I'm currently banned, yeah. Why? >> notice. Let's move on from that. But but a person that left, they could go back and visit? You can You can request it, and if they let you, they let you. You're not allowed? Not yet. Discriminatory? Not really. What A lot of things is discriminatory, but that's uh knocking on the window and saying uh cuz I can't is discriminatory. Right. Life is not >> Ricky, do you think prison rehabs people or it's a myth? It's a joke. Joke. So, it's Rehab? Yeah. So, what do you suggest if you were writing the rules, how do you rehab someone who did something >> You You make them work. For If it's a If it's a white-collar crime, you make them work and you make them pay. If If If If you Debtors' prison doesn't exist in America anymore. Right. They put you in federal prison. They make you suffer. They make the family suffer. It's got to be a better way. What's What do you suggest? I don't have a >> You just said a working thing. You make them pay. >> to do. Something Something to do. We have more prisoners in America than any place else in the world. >> By triple, quadruple numbers? crazy >> Crazy numbers. Ricky, what percent do you think who are in prison that you met are innocent versus guilty? How many they think >> No, you. Like what do you think? >> feeling? Everybody's guilty. You believe they're all guilty? >> Yeah. Everybody thinks they're innocent. I'm the only guilty person you'll ever meet. >> [laughter] >> So you're saying in the end they all say they're innocent? They didn't do anything. They'll tell you that. >> Yeah. But you don't believe any of them. None. None. Okay. Something they did. >> Statistically some of them are innocent. Right, but you don't believe any of them. >> None of them. Well, what about being down at the cops cruise? Shoving them in there? I am down I am down at the cops cruise, but none of them are honest. >> [laughter] >> They're not honest. Doesn't mean that they're not good people, but they they they got caught up in the system. They got >> What about the the the officers? What percent of them are corrupt? Like getting phones and >> Great question. Like phones in and drugs and >> Great Are you crazy? Yeah. In a camp it doesn't work that way. I I don't know how it works in in low mediums and penitentiaries. >> What percent do you think are corrupt or looking the other way? >> I'd like to say zero. You'd like to say zero. Okay, he's just off probation. He's still behaving. I'm not about behaving. I don't want to think about it. >> What's your experience? You're off I don't know. >> knocking on the window, grabbing him out of Shoe every day. They're bad. >> They're bad. >> corrupt. They're all corrupt. They're corrupt. They're breaking your spirit. It's evil. It's evil. Hunger the power trip. It's all power trip. Power trip. These people >> No, but money wise I can't answer that. I don't I I I would I would I would guess, but I don't know. How bad is the food? Alpo is better. Alpo? Alpo. You never heard of Alpo? >> Alpo? Dog food. A L P O. You never heard of Alpo? >> No. We don't have We don't have had never had dogs. What are you talking about? Alpo is much better. Isn't current trend for people to be pro inmate today? Like the world is in that direction. Do you feel I don't know. As Like when I was younger Mickey, like I don't know, 18 20 everyone hated them. Oh, the Now everyone's like Kim Kardashian. They're all promoting Well, because they because Because, they they want to help people. They do. Yeah, but So I think there's a much more positive attitude today more than ever. Do you feel that or not? No. Zero. I don't mind zero. I don't I don't feel that. And and I thought that's a trend now. Trending? >> Yeah. Yeah, it's a trend also the Let me ask you, did you ever feel like you were in danger in prison? Moments. Yeah, there are moments. Because people don't like you cuz you're Jewish. And he's popular. Beyond popular, people don't like you. You were for sure the most popular guy. I remember you used to help all the going with the legal work and >> popular. Used to help every you sit in the room all day and >> I would help, but that's not the point. It's very, very, very It's not It's It's It's but that's >> I would come in to visit him and he was busy in the room and doing >> The idea The idea is that People don't People don't want to be helpful to other people. It's just It's a nature. By the way, is it different in the real world? Is it different in in this world? I'm wondering if you think that it is. Do you think it's different? Aside from CH Butcher, Raskin, and Wheels to Lease, is it any different? That people don't want to help? They don't want to help. >> No one will help anyone? Generally not. You see these GoFundMe's get funded if someone dies or sick, people get very helpful. It opens up their hearts. I don't know if it opens up their hearts, but they they get away with just giving someone $18. They get away? [laughter] I mean, come on. I spoke you You're being ridiculous. I mean, You think it's not a real help that $18? It's a help that somebody should should have money in order to make a wedding and to and to and somebody God forbid is is not well, but doesn't work that way. >> Mickey, when you were a high-flying 300 employees, money flying everywhere, what's the most thing you miss? What is it about that you miss the most today? Zero. Zero? >> Nothing. Nothing? It was a It was a lesson in life and I know that I'm capable of having it. Capable also doing much more. It's one of It's not a bucket list. No, it's it's about It's about responsibility. You have to make a certain amount of money to pay the payroll. It's that simple. You have to pay before you get paid. Some people say oh, money will make me happy. What do you have to tell to such people, Mickey? First of all, this is an expression I heard a long time ago. Money isn't everything. Who needs everything? Okay? Money doesn't make you happy. You make yourself happy. If you make yourself happy, the money helps you help other people. That's That's what it's all about. If you can feel that way. If you don't feel that way, it doesn't matter. >> believer that up to a certain amount of money, it will make you happy. But after you have a certain amount of basic money, then it's just extra and you'll never be happy. For example, there were times where I was literally living paycheck to paycheck and it causes a lot of stress in the [clears throat] marriage. And when you have a surplus of cash in the bank and you're able to pay all your bills and extra for vacation and some luxuries, it makes you a little you're happier because you're not stressed. There's a balance. I think there's a balance, but I always found that making more money and having more responsibility affects your personal life. That's how I felt. I never felt that there was a balance between there there was an equal balance between personal life and making a lot of money. A lot of money. Not at not paycheck to paycheck. If you want to focus on your personal life and you want to focus less on making money. >> I think with today's expensive lifestyle, with the frishion and ramaz as we were talking about, you know, the the tuition What's this frishion 80,000? I think Think about [laughter] it. I think I think about a half a million. If you make about a half a million a year, you could be happy because you could pay your bills and be comfortable and go on some vacations. And then after that, the next hundred million won't make you happier necessarily. Depends. It depends who you are. I I I guess on what you could do for other people. I see people giving an amazing amount of tzedakah and they're much happier. They get pleasure out of giving other people you know Stuck a direct direct stucker. That's what I see. I mean I don't know if it's accurate. But it is it is the way of the world. >> people stuck along with you your friends family through all your ups and downs? >> So strange it's a good good very good question by the way. You're thinking on your feet I like that by the way. >> It happens once in a while. Happens to be Mickey it happens once in a while. Doesn't happen that often. A broken clock you know it does tell [laughter] time twice. Twice a day right? It's right twice a day. It's right twice. This yarmulke this color of the yarmulke by the way you just Decided to wear this yarmulke for a reason. No it's a friend's up sharing it's an Israeli thing. You couldn't bring us one? Next time. >> Anyway Mickey how many people if you were a nice friend you would give him the yarmulke. No no no that's an Arab an Arab they if you said my scarf is nice I should give it to you I should hand it to you a I've been in situations where somebody says my tie is nice. And they're not our religion I have to give them the tie. Mickey what percent So what percent of your friends and family stuck through your all your ups and downs and in and out? A good percentage. What percent? I'd say more than 50%. >> More than 50? Yeah. Some dumped you. You you you don't exist you're not you're not you're not a good person. So cruel. You're not a good person but it is what it is and and you accept those people and some came back. And said well you're not that bad of a person. You're not because you did something doesn't make you a bad person. I don't judge people I don't I never look up I never like you said when we first started I don't Google people to see what did they do. People Google me. Cuz they want to should I do business with them or shouldn't. I'm giving you free advice and you're Googling me should I get >> [laughter] >> I mean think about it for a second it's a little bit crazy. But that's the way people are more than 50%. >> More than 50 stayed? Yeah stayed and the ones that didn't were not really friends to begin with. Were you surprised they didn't they didn't stick around? >> No nothing surprises me. You can't surprise me at 66. Mickey when you're in what percent of your friends and family visited you? It there's a limit limitation to that. It's all it's all they don't let you have that many people visit you but the ones that visited were were were consistent and regular. And you really care more about your family that visits than your friends that visit, even though your friends can make the effort to do it. >> Which Hasidus do you consider yourself today? >> Me? You said that you're not Chabad. But what what what group? What Who do you affiliate >> Zidichover. The Zidichover. The Zidicher? Zidichover. Zidichover? That is a Hasidish Hasidus. >> Yeah, Zidichover. So you're a Zidichover? Hasid, yeah, why not? You know why? Sounds good. >> [laughter] >> No, there is a Zidichover. Of course there is a Zidichover. So you would But you're Zidichover, it's called. >> Zidichover. >> Yeah, um I'm not. No, uh and and when I when I when I met the Rebbe one of the times I met the Rebbe No, in my shul we have we have Vishnitz, Bobov, Skver, of course Chabad. I I think four out of 10 people in our shul are Chabad, probably. >> The whole minyan is 10 people? No, no, four out of 10. We have over 150 people >> out of 10 are Chabad. Uh-huh. Um but I would say I'm I don't >> So in Pomona, 40% of your shul are Chabad people. That's In our shul, we have we have Chabad shul is very diverse. have a shul right next to my house that's all Chabad. The shul that you daven in, who's the rav? Uh there is no specific rav, but the person who who the the rosh kollel is somebody named Gellandauer. Landauer? >> Gellandauer. But he's what? What does he consider himself? He grew up Vishnitz. Vishnitz. He has a streimel, the whole nine yards? >> No. No streimel? No. The Pomona Pomona brand. What do you think of this bekeshe? I don't need your bekeshe. This really green song. Familiar with it? >> hear it. I saw it. I saw it. I I It's not so impressive to me. No, he told me he met me in a restaurant and he told me that a friend wasn't comfortable on vacation coming to shul in Florida because he forgot his bekeshe at home. So he right away composed a song, "We don't need You don't need your bekeshe." But I think it's just saying that like Hashem is much greater than a bekeshe. Now he's being They're all making fun of him. All these rabbonim saying Hashem does need your bekeshe. Hashem needs your bekeshe? Doesn't need your becauser. You always wore tzitzis? Do I always wear tzitzis? You always did? Since I was 3. 3? Yeah, that's 63 years. But you Mickey, all your kids are more like modern orthodox household, no? What? I would like them to be modern orthodox machmir. You have that expression? Yeah, yeah, I did. It's in YU like It's Look at that but So you're always more religious than your wife and kids? I'm just wondering. I'm not more religious than my current >> You're at tzitzis and shabbos and your kids are These are heshilizing and ramazing. So like where did they Why is that so bad? No, it's just interesting. Two kids went to Kushner, two kids went to Frisch, one kid went to Ramaz. Kushner the Trump Kushner? Yeah, Kushner But none of these typically people wear tzitzis. These parents of these Sadly they don't wear tzitzis. Okay, so that's what I'm saying you're a you're an anomaly? Anomaly? No, you're an anomaly. I'm I'm who I am. All right, it's just interesting. And I know why I wear tzitzis. Tzitzis is the easiest mitzvah by far. Are you agree? It's the easiest mitzvah by far. >> [laughter] >> It's a great mitzvah. If you have bitachon and much what Okay, should I change the hat back? I was going to say nitzachon and much what but I didn't bring that hat. Mickey, you got the second time you got it early because of a COVID law. What was that? >> No, all kinds of things. Really not a really not a podcast thing. Not a not a discussion, okay. It's a discussion but it's not a discussion for this particular segment. Segment, you're saying that that's not >> know. It's another segment. You never know. I'm not to you have because we have uh all kinds of other people that want to be on the podcast. >> [laughter] >> Mickey, what's the secret to building a business? Building a business, that's what I'm up to. You ask that question of everybody? No one has answered that question really productively. How should I answer productively? Go for it, Mickey. It's not it's I I've built and and I've I've I've succeeded and failed so I can't say that I know. >> Well, the times that you were successful, we want to hear about those experiences. It was awesome. It was if if I knew those four categories that I mentioned at the beginning of the broadcast, I knew them well, Hashem would show me a deal that I had nothing to do with and I made money on that. And they say you have you ever hear this expression? My my son told me the other day, Picasso's on a uh on a beach and he's taking took a napkin and he drew a painting. Checking the time, that's it. >> Drew a We He'll We'll He'll tell us when we're finished. He drew a painting and somebody came over to him a woman came over and said to me, "Can I have the napkin?" He says to me, "Yeah, sure you can have a Pablo Picasso." "How much?" He says, "A million dollars." "Million dollars? You drew it on a napkin?" "It took me 40 years to be able to draw on a napkin." It's a very It's a life lesson. My success or the my future success has to do with my my previous either failures or successes. But I didn't feel any different back then. I As you said, I was able to be more luxurious. I was able to have things. I was able to have a driver. I was able to have fancy cars. >> Wait, she told me on the way here that you used to get chauffeured around in a limousine? That's correct. That feels good, though. It's the one luxury that I would say if you're successful, you should have because it allows you to especially with today's computers, allows you to not drive, I hate I hate driving. I'm not a big He gets driven around by his cars. >> So we got to say So you have Make that clear. He has that luxury already. So So that luxury is a big luxury and it's something that if if you're going to three different locations every day, you can't focus and late at night, it's very hard to focus on the road. And if you have that luxury, >> I tell my shul all the time this. As soon as I make a couple of bucks, I'm definitely getting a chauffeur. Yeah, it's not It's not so much about a chauffeur as much as it's somebody that you can rely on to be there. You know, I I go to I go to my shul at 5:00 5:15 in the morning. I don't want anybody to don't want a driver picking me up. I want to go myself, but to go here and to wait outside and then I have It was a little It was a limousine, literally? Mickey, we did also Hold on. We did offer him on record I paid I paid >> Uber and he wanted to He wanted a driver. That's all. Did we offer you that, Mickey? >> You did. I think he just didn't want us to waste money. >> I also wanted >> No, for what reason? It took It [laughter] took me an hour and 15 minutes to get here. It was fine. And and and I met nice people. >> I By the way, even though I just met you, I already feel a strong connection. You're a very likable person. >> Thank you. You're very calm and collective, and I really enjoyed this episode, and thank you so much for coming here. It's my greatest pleasure. By the way, I even though people said maybe you're a little crass, I found you to be delightful. >> Mickey's the best. Delight No, delightful. And I know you for a while. Delightful, both of you. Delightful. And by the way, on on on screen, you look different a little bit. You lost some weight. >> Maybe. I would go to the gym now, but there's a couple of people that want to come on the show and they're scared and they're nervous, and I have to call them. Tell people what it's like to be on the show. No, it's you have the hosts make you feel relaxed. It's very simple. If they don't make you feel relaxed, you're not going to talk. And I've been asked to be on Ying, you've been waiting for you. many different shows. >> [laughter] >> If the hosts are not real, it's a waste of time. I know why they want to ask me to be on the show. Oh, you know why? Yeah, so it's fine. >> So, Mickey, what should we make this title of the show? You decide. I don't want to >> care what we put. I don't know why we'd call Why don't we >> [laughter] >> No, no. Why he needs to do a show with him. That he needs. Camp Camp shave of him. Woah. >> [laughter] >> Not bad. Is there such a thing? Okay. So, Mickey, would you advise people to stay out of the gray or life is in the gray? What Are we back to the gray? No, I just WANT TO ASK YOU. NO, I I think you should just open your phone. No, I saw you here. I'm looking here and I'm >> [laughter] >> What do you mean? My hair is fine. I was thinking about it. I was thinking about getting my hair cut. What do you think? No. That's your brand. Never. Never. >> Do you know what It's your brand. I'm not doing it. No, no, no, Mickey. He's named after Mickey Hall. By the way, I I I inspected it and like Trump that hair is 100% natural and real. Somebody [laughter] I was in the I was in the car the other day actually being driven not a chauffeur and the and the guy says to me, "Did you ever have hair transplants?" I said, "For what?" He says to me, "Well, can I touch your hair?" I said, "I prefer you don't touch my hair." >> [laughter] >> And if you want to touch my hair, go ahead. Well, and that's what it's always been like. >> Everybody smash that like button, smash that subscribe button, forward all the seedier channels to take our video every week with that we just please continue doing it. Without Rushes. [laughter] And go to Khalaf Ferry, his wife's Do what you have to do. Hashem runs the world. >> Support Mickey and his Hashem runs the world. Khalaf Ferry, I don't know anything about it. That's his wife's business. That's her name. That's her name. Yeah. By the way, let me ask who's with Mickey thick and thin. It's his wife. His last and only wife. Only. Thick and out of jail, she's still there with him. Prison. All right. Jail and prison. Chubbs.