Menachos Daf 92

All right, daf yomi bay is Monday's daf. We're at the very bottom of daf yomi aleph bay. Omarov papa badik lonrovo. The rovo is giving us a behina. Moving over to daf aleph with the following question. Niske rachela bekama? How much wine do you need for the nisachim of a rachel? And the way rashi learns it is that he was dafka asking about this young sheep to see if they would confuse it with the older sheep. Pashtina leba masnisen and it was able to ferem for the kasha based on the mishna in the fifth perek of shkalim which details how the process of the nisachim would go when you go to the beit hamikdash. Seems like it kind of worked like the DMV. You wait on one line and you get a little ticket and you take that and tells you how much wine you're supposed to receive for your nisachim. So in that list, the mishna speaks out gidim mishamesh niskeit tzain shel gidailim v'shel kitanim, whether they're older or younger. V'shel schar v'shel nekevis chutz mishel elim except for the rams. So you see from this mishna there's no chiluk between the nisachim or older or younger sheep. It's all going to be the same amount. Now we get to start the mishna about smicha. Kol korbanos hatzibur ein bohem smicha. Korbanos tzibur don't have smicha. Only a korban yachid has smicha. Chutz min a para aduma al kol hametz twice. Popularly known as the par helm dover shel tzibur. When besdin makes a mistake, they do need smicha. And who does the smicha? It's the actual members of sanhedrin themselves. And the sugiyan sanhedrin on yud gimmel talks about how many three, five, how many dayanim actually do the smicha. And also the se'irah hamishtale'ach. That se'irah that was used on yom kippur also requires a smicha. So shailo whether or not that smicha by the se'irah hamishtale'ach is a din in its vidui or a din in its schita. And now you're going to ask me there is no schita by the se'irah la'azazel, they just threw it off a cliff. But it could be that in halachically we look at that throwing off of the cliff as its schita. I have the Beis Av Engel in klal aleph that discusses this in reference to other similar halachos like egla arufa and malika whether that has a din of schita. And it could be that that's what the smicha is connected to. Rebbe Shimon Eimer, af se'irah avodah zarah. Let's add another one to the list of the se'irah specifically that's brought by the tzibur when there's a mistake in psak of besdin lagabei avodah zarah. But now conversely, kol korbanos hayachid are te'unin smicha. Every korban yachid always does get smicha. Chutz min a bechora and a ma'aser beheima pesach which the Gamara is going to bring its Sukim for. The guy who means the guy who is supposed to bring his oil or his shalom and then he drops dead. So now his Yairish, his son, will now bring such a carbon. Those are samech, meaning the Yairish will do samecha in such an example. Or maybe in the Sakhim, he brings the Sakhim that his father would have had to have brought. Or maybe and also he can make a tamura out of it. So like the Gamara, Tana Rabana in the Brisa says kol carbonas at tziva ain bohin smicha. Mipara adama al kol hamitzvas, which we explained is the para helm dover shel tzibur. Interesting that we have a different kind of a sprach in this Mishnah and now in this Brisa, but that's what it is. The se'irei avodas kochavim, also that's also added to the list, which is divrei Rebbi Shimon, like our Mishnah quoted. Rebbi Yehuda omer, se'irei avodas kochavim ain bohin smicha. And therefore as me of it aim, which carbon should I now put in the list to replace the se'ir of avodas kochavim, it'll be se'ir mishtale'ach. Like the Gamara, why do I got to replace it? Let us say you do it my own. So don't have a replacement. No, because I'm a Ravina Gamira de smichas tzibur. There is a mesorah that you need to have two carbonas tzibur that require smicha. So we'll put a zazel into replace. Omer Rebbi Shimon, Rebbi Shimon says back to Rebbi Yehuda, "B'halai ain smicha al habayalim." You got to have bayalim. This is Aaron u'banav somechin bayalim. But by the case of the se'ir lazazel, who's actually doing that? That's the Kohain Gadol. I mean that's Aaron u'banav. So you don't have bayalim. Omer Rebbi Rebbi Yehuda, "Well, avza Aaron u'banav miskaper in bayalim." Since the kapara extends even to Aaron u'banav, they have a din of bayalim. Omer Rebbi Yirmiya, "V'os du letamayu." This machlokes Rebbi Yehuda and Rebbi Shimon is really the shitasam. Detanya because there's another Brisa that says v'chiper es mikdash hakodesh. end of those psukim that are talking about Yom Kippur, it says it'll be mechaper for the tuma that happens in the kodesh, meaning in the Beis Hamikdash. Azel u'fnai v'lifnei, that's talking about the issur tuma going into the kodesh kodashim. V'es ol mayed es achecho and mizbeach es kimashmai, for tuma that's related to mizbeach. Yichaper el ohol azarois. All the different respective areas where there's going to be tuma in the Beis Hamikdash, that's what these psukim are talking about its respective kaparas. And now the rest of the pasuk is going to be a reference to who gets the kapara, al y'dei hasse'ir lazazel. So, Kohanim is kemashma'an. Al kol am Yisrael, meaning the Yidden who are not Kohanim and Levi'im. Yichaper elu haLevi'im. And chushvu kulan kapara achas. All Kohanim, Levi'im, and Yisraelim are all going to get one process of its kapara. Shemitzkaprin basair hamishtalei'ach. That's all divrei Rebbi Yehuda. But Rebbi Shimon omer, and remember Rebbi Shimon is the one who says the Kohanim are not getting kapara from the sair la'azazel. Because kesheim shedam sair anasa bifnim mechaper al Yisrael al tumas mikdash ukodashav. So, kach dam apar mechaper al Kohanim al tumas mikdash ukodashav. And kesheim sheviduy oser mishtalei'ach mechaper al Yisrael besha'ar aveiros, kach viduy apar mechaper al Kohanim besha'ar aveiros. So, Rebbi Shimon says the Kohanim are not getting the kapara through the sair mishtalei'ach, but rather the kapara for the Kohanim are coming al yidei these other korbanos. Perikting amar Rebbi Shimon havada chushvu. Lema'asa Rebbi Yehuda's drasha of being mashve Kohanim and non-Kohanim is true. So, how can Rebbi Shimon say that none of the Yom Kippur korbanos are going to be mechaper for all the Yidden? And for the Gemara in chushvu, Kohanim and non-Kohanim are taka chushve in the way that dibnei kapara ninyu. Mi kol chad vachad mechaper biden nafshay. They do get kapara for their aveiros, but in each respective group. I e. the Kohanim get their kapara al yidei the par, and the non-Kohanim get their kapara al yidei the azazel. That's gufu what Rebbi Shimon meant. Lerabbi Yehuda, tumas mikdash ukodashav, the kapara for coming into the Beis Hamikdash when you're tamei, Yisrael mechaper bidam sair anasa bifnim. The Kohanim, the par shel Aharon. But besha'ar aveiros that are not tumas mikdash ukodashav, elu velu mechaper bividey sair mishtalei'ach. That is both the Kohanim and the Yisraelim are going to get their kapara al yidei the sair la'azazel. Ulerabbi Shimon, sha'ar aveiros nami Kohanim bividey apar miskabrin. Other aveiros also Kohanim are going to get their kapara al yidei the viduy of the par. Kidei detani, this is just like the Mishnah in the beginning of meseches Shevuos. Echad Yisrael, ve'echad Kohanim, ve'echad Kohein Mashiach, meaning the Kohein Gadol, all get their kapara from the sair la'azazel. So, mabain Yisrael leKohanim uleKohein Mashiach, ela shedam apar mechaper al Kohanim al tumas mikdash ukodashav. Zu divrei Rebbi Yehuda. Rebbi Shimon omer, kesheim shedama sair anasa bifnim mechaper al Yisrael, kach dama apar mechaper al Kohanim. And kesheim sheviduy shel sair mishtalei'ach mechaper al Yisrael, kach viduy shel par There you have it broken down the Getting back to our issue the guy that says the one who as you day him I'll write so we par tones the area of tune in the no par tones that's who does the the area of tune in but they still get it's meaning a will do the par I have a steer between this brisa because when the says by the law that says by the that the living we have tones the area of tune in the area of tune in the area of tune in the area of tune in the area of tune in the area of the brisa direct steer to the previous brisa where in the previous brisa said that the I had them do the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area in reference to the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the telling me that the kind of God will do on the it's only the fact that a kind doesn't do the on the but who should do it does the kind of do that for a long why do we need a to be the from a but I don't taste we had it was only two and one of those two ain't the so the years of which is like an expression of it's just a lot of and you're right is being for Shimon see everybody device does Shimon know that the requires a because was only telling me the don't do the on the but how do you know you do at all maybe it's and for the not in the so repeating the word allows it to be the so which is the and the action is a reference to the ones by the that it needed to but Shimon the Syria but shall Shimon call Shimon double of including that for the only that used to say what's that coming to be so nothing it's just a way to remember maybe that extra word of the is coming to tell me that the on Kippur was done it's done inside the and therefore how do we know that is being so which the dummy the the and since the on Kippur is not coming for a specific of an do it so assumes it's coming to be my that for rather than the but we don't know if it's going to be said there is a that you need to have two that require we can ask now why do we need to learn how to you should know from the and it's the there's a and a the only had the from a have I as if which is a reference to the brought on with the that they need he I must listen to the just like that question we had in Kol Menachos Boys. Where the Mishnah had said two and two is two times two. You may remember over there that Mishnah had lists. And the Gemara over there had wanted to know And the Gemara had asked That Mash Allah But yet still So the Gemara over there continues to say so the Tzelem Tzeva Which does require to say that it requires a Smicha. So that's why we need to have a Masorah That only two Korbanos of the Tzeva requires Smicha, which does not include The Tzelem Tzeva Smicha and Masorah and not which two they are that require Smicha. Because the Gemara tells us that the Smicha is only for one of the Korbanos Tzeva So come on now Posuk is telling us Also the for the Zera which And the next part of the Mishnah had said Which one of the Korbanos Pesach Those are the ones that even though they are Korbanos they still don't require Smicha. So we're going to make three different drashas from the Korbanos that appear multiple times in the Gemara. But yet still two and two is four. Maybe there's more of a reason you know Smicha. Tell me Korbanos and Korbanos Korbanos and Korbanos And Smicha What would I have thought? Before or after it. Yet still two and two is four. So Korbanos Like we mentioned yesterday's daf If you accidentally make a mistake and you get plunged The ninth and eleventh they can also become Korbanos. And you didn't say two and two is four. Korbanos and Korbanos There's no Mitzvah in the Torah to get up and bring it. For that to own Smicha You have a standing to bring a carbon Pesach. Every year bring a carbon Pesach. So, I might think it's more of a reason to do All right, we're going to stop here and pick it up with Tuesday's daf with me for the bottom line.