Menachos Daf 87

All right. Zion Wednesday. We actually get to finish the peric today. But first, we got the Mishna on to do. From whence would they bring their wine? Meaning when they needed wine in the BD, they didn't just go to the store to buy it. So where did it come from? The wine made in those different cities. That's the top shelf stuff. So ideally the wine should come from those cities. Second place would be really everywhere would be kosher but this is where they would bring the wine from. And now like we had in the previous Mishnim not from fertilized fields or irrigated ones where the grapes would be weaker or not from vines where there are other seeds planted in between obviously not with killay. They would be also brought up from everybody the reshim speak out but ones that were done in a kasher but they're weaker. However, vim haven it'll still be kosher. A may be in helyon. I'll bring the helyon wine. Vim haven also ev it'll be kosher. Now this heliiston wine was exceedingly sweet. And they did this by keeping the grapes in the sun for a longer amount of time to make them sweeter. The word helisticon has its shrish in the word helise which the says means the sun. So it'll be kosher. Don't bring last year's wine. Don't bring from sweet wines. These are not grapes that were bada left out of the sun but just they naturally became sweet. Orashi naviad says it's wine that hasn't fermented for 40 days but either way it's a wine. Don't use it for us. Don't use smoked or cooked wine. It's going to be puzzle. Here you have the reference of course to yushel which is pretty clear is the more type of wine. Some people like to use yin that's not mushel for their kdish etc. But we certainly asking yush's kosher. The minis don't bring wine from grapes that were on vines that were suspended up above meaning that they arevak the wines that are so long that they're already on the ground. Roy being milian regel that's by people's feet. So it gets the earth's nutrients better and becomes better grapes brings to mind the great chevra from that we say the inve is something that is suspended right you put the vine on some sort of trellis or post and then it hangs down. So we tell the Kala that they're not self-made. They're being built on the support of the people that came before them in their mishbas. This is where you insert the joke about the support being about. But that's the great part you can always use for you are welcome. And you should bring though from these vineyards that were cultivated. They were dug around to allow the water to get to them. And we'll see more in the Gar about how often that's done. And don't put the wine in these large casks because it ruins the taste of the wine. but in small. Don't totally fill up the whole barrel until the very tippy top because what's going to happen? It's going to force the gishmaka taste of the wine out when you open the barrel, but rather you want to have the taste of the wine collect in the open space inside the barrel such that when you unccork the barrel, the will waft out. Don't use for from the mouth of the barrel moving over to because of the mold which will rise to its surface be at the very top and don't bring from the bottom of the barrel because the sediment that settles there Ella where's the best place in the barrel to draw out your wine maybe bring from the middle third of the barrel which the means from the center the middle of that middle third which is a little odd just say the middle of the barrel so it might mean the bottom part of that middle third in rash but in the meantime certainly the middle section How do you check and monitor to make sure there's nothing coming out of your wine barrel? Gizber from the mdish would have this measuring stick that he would keep with him. Zoraka gear the gear which is the white yaki foam that floats on the sediment at the bottom of the barrel. When that comes out hikshak he would hit the guy in charge of the spigot and say okay shut it off right now. We're going to see in the you don't want to speak during the time of dealing with the yan. So he would like hit him with the yard stick to tell him to shut off the valve and that's the shot that Arashi Naviad brings. The sheita brings a different shot from Arashi. It says that they would actually hit the barrel at that point. Wine that has mold in it is going to be possible for the whereas was just saying to avoid the mold inside the barrel and therefore don't take from the top of the barrel is being more saying that that makes the whole barrel ple for putting together these two drases to ple the whole thing if it's not perfect in its entirety. It's like the Alta Shila in the Kramer household. When you take the cream cheese out of the fridge and there's a little drop of mold on there, can you scrape off the mold or do you got to throw out the whole cream cheese? So that's what seems to be going on between the tentac review. You can't bring the sweet cooked or smoked wine. Vim hav will be puzzle. Earlier in the mission it said because it's so sweet. Vimhav kosher. So histian wine which is super sweet is going to be kosher. But now you're telling me it's going to be puzzle. to steer in the mission of Omarina put it together and make one out of it that that the hilist and the mos are both going to be ple even doesn't read so nice I entice that wants to read this as a kula but alon the miss is putting it together raashi kya le mo it's not true they're two different the hist becomes sweet because of the sun it's the shima and therefore that's not going to be a problem however if it's a certain kind of that gives off a sweeter wine that's me and that's why the mission which is between which is going to be from those kind of sweet grapes that will be puzzled and the mission said why is last year's wine going to be puzzled because is always referring to a lamb in its first year. So the y used for cannot be old wine. Okay. But then take it all the way meaning the wine in its second year should be ple in the same way that the is says it'll be kosher and manovi who said you shouldn't bring the yosh it's rebby. So we can assume that the tana of the bry is also rebi the may kosher. So don't make it from a lemwood from the because the is going to be it's a different mocker which is the kahelis warning people to avoid averis and the wine when it's the most red which says that it's only in that first year it starts to fade after year number one so therefore you shouldn't use the then the mission said ice don't bring wine from vines that were suspended up on the dolly ice on these trelluses but rather you should take wine from grapes that were on longer vines and ones that were cultivated. So let's define that to be aim that means you dug around it to make sure it gets the irrigation properly twice a year. Ravies hava depardesa raves had a corner area of a vineyard duffk bay fer rifka that he dug a lot extra meaning he did a second digging every year al train and this land made a wine that was so intense that it required two times the water that typical wine would be diluted with so you see that if the carum is of it creates a much more of an intense wine then the mission said don't put the wine into a large big barrel but rather you should put into small barrels of the says These small barrels we're talking about, they're the size of these mediumsiz containers that were made in don't put them two by two, meaning side by side because Rashavad says that one is going to be the other one separate these containers. And then the tells us how you check out the wine as it's coming out to make sure it has no impurities in it. He would hold that measuring stick in his hand. Kikh pakana once he saw some of the frothy stuff coming out because of the sediment he would smack with the con the brace says zor shel shamarim when the barrel put out some of this frothy stuff from the sediment gizrahika he would hit with the ket to indicate turn off the spigot now what's he hitting anybody for why he just telling the guy turn it off why he hit him because in the same way that speech is good for the as rashi brings from the garis we would say to grind it up very well. By it's the opposite. Don't talk so much. Why is that? Well, perhaps the represents things that are done by and makes people talk too much. So, you always want to do the opposite. You want to speak more by the speak less by the one of the or somebody says something like that. And the mishad said that even a little bit of moldles the whole barrel of the wine. Let's say a person was makish their moldy wine for the same kind of sh we had in the past couple maybe that's animal it was talking of the rad I kept forgetting who the rean was that makes the out of all these apparently it's the ends off by saying again the best rams for carbonus came from the land of mayim and the best lambs came from a gullim where they come from misharin and birds. What's the best kind of lamb to bring? That their height is like their width. Meaning they should be very fat. Lamb is the best kind of carbon you can bring. So you see the makes the lamb sound like it's good if it's fat. And now another member from so these should be they should not be silent. So my what are they saying? So get up. They're being get up too. So this is what the shy are now diving for. But my armory that sounds like this all post what happened before the what would they say? Hashem has chosen he was desiring it for his for his dwelling there. And with that and now we start the 10th parax. There were two measures like imagine two measuring cups in the B mikdash is the just understands this Mishna for push that there weren't only two physical kum because there were multiple kahan doing things at the same time. So these are the two different kinds of measuring cups that they had in the BA mikdash mayor is but there were really three according to mayor the isarin the isarn and the of course this needs explanation cuz and are the same things we'll see in the what did they use the to measure because all the carbon required such a kal to measure they didn't measure with a larger kal that had all three is in the same kali or a two isin kali for the ma that came along with the isle but rather they would do increments of a single is three times for the power or twice for the aisle and therefore they only needed the kali that would measure a single and what's for as we've learned the kayang would split the kav in half in the morning half the afternoon so you needed a kali that would give you half of an isar measurement tanya now let's bring up bryson to help us understand she deserved mayor that argued with the tanakam armish ho mayor the doubled. There were two different types of measurements of an one was like a heaping measurement and one was leveled out at the top. So the physical kali for the godish was actually a smaller kali. A heaping amount went over and above the rim of the kali and that's how they would use the measurement for all of the carbon mas turning over to but the larger that they would measure out for the which required and then was later divided into the was used using a shear of the larger kal with a flattened out top. There was only one kind of measuring cup in the basin. What's that doubleion? That's so that's the second ki mayor uses the doubleion to say that there were two separate measuring. So then how does he know that there was also another kay learns it from that additional v in the beginning mayor because he doesn't need that and for the mayor you shouldn't measure don't use a bigger kay that would have three isus or two is respectively but rather repeat the process of the singlearn multiple times how do they know that meaning from the dots that are on top of the word is in the why is there a dot in that word that's where you find that dot in that particular word but rather repeat the single is measurement verb mayor she doesn't make any from that dot on the word is then the mission said what did they do with the kay who would do half in the morning and half in the afternoon you're measuring the right in the beginning it's not true the Mishna tells us 37 ago it didn't start off that way in halves maybe they would take a full and they would divide it there so from that you measure a full and when we say the Misha is talking about it's what our means to say is once the has measured the complete is He then divides it into two different halves using the other kal of the measurement that is as we've seen there two different kinds of kum if it's a little smaller and it's heaping or if it's larger and it's smoothed out is not a mayor like you said mayor even also acknowledged the existence of kay so again was it gobbraern and goya but I was specifically asking about dava mayor because according to a mayor you had multiple kum for the isarian so there was never a shil according to a mayor the shila only exists as a unique question for a mayor because according to a mayor you have two kum for the and one for the katisarn so the question by the katisarn fear of mayor was what's going to be the status god but really inami in theory the question is really also on mayor mayor mayor mayor for the so will also be because clearly requires mayor and from the fact that mayor requires being for because was baked into 12 loaves. Six were done in the morning, six were done in the afternoon. So Brahma is asking how was the dough of these different sixen loaves divided by his hands with an estimation by or with a tool. So Dr. Clearly he did with his hands. He would have to bring a scale in to measure and that doesn't seem perfecting. Why is that so strange to you? If you need to be exact and you have to bring a measuring scale bring in the scale since scales there's a in the kind of a sound. So even though there's no per seab but the terra is very stark when it comes to scales. So we don't even want to have that association to a scale in the mdash. is the where they would put the upon him and they would also have the so itself is so the kmates in its airspace meaning not in the let's say you just put it on the table surface itself would that also work the as we just said the itself is so it also nowades and what's is only going to be the upon and the lead Omar is not going to take care of the of the according to the that holds of the would bend each side of the two and upward as we're going to learn in a few about the description of how the upon him looked that they had these two parallel raised sides. So that the itself is being an area of 15 because each one of these went up two and a half and this was a stack. So it' be six * 2 and 1/2 each one of the two stacks equaling 15. And since the madesh all of the clearly its ability to be madish goes as far as 15 up above its surface. Bottom line is things that are sitting on the are certainly going to be mad. So let it also be the can't be something that it could be brought in this but it can be something to the extent that it could now become which is another way of saying that the is but it's a lesser degree. It's only in so much that if it becomes in contact with its fully or it could have a potential so it has that elevated status but it's not like it's really like what we actually need for the kits of these levina. And we'll stop here and pick it up with the Mishna or aential pesak