Menachos Daf 68

Okay, Friday is daf. We had learned the Mishna yesterday that told us the process of bringing the carbon which is Madesh and the Mishna is mayor and whether or not the fact that the marketplace already had in anticipation of the whether that was or not now who holds it was fine they were able to handle with things that were not muted to them. Doesn't he hold of such a we see not that way because the says you do the on the 14th day of Nissan and the next morning but if you haven't done your until you are not allowed to do it after this man because if you're being fort after man you're handling with already when it's so that's a no can do but etc say over there that even if you have missed and you show up in your hotel room for your P program after this manabir you still learn to do aika but what's the point of this you see is for handling things that are user so in the same way the marketplace shouldn't have been allowed to stock the kadesh food until it was actually shiny first of three reasons moving over to since it was a strange way that they would do the collection of these grains they wouldn't do it with a tool of a sickle they would rather do it with their hands so because they're doing it in a strange way zeroo it was like a hecker so we don't be worried They're going to eat it. They're doing the and they'll wait until actually the carbon is brought doesn't like this because he says but it's not only about the removal of the grain from the ground which is going to use this mud mahal of plucking versus cutting. There's other mul they do the grinding and the sifting. What are they going to do differently in order to make a hecker over there which demores hasha and harod algaba. All right. still do the trina in a strange way with a handmill and the harata they'll do on the back of the civ. The point is they'll do some kind of difference in the processes for these as well. Okay, what are you going to do about a basin? That's a field that you need to irrigate that you bring the water to it. The shar that kind of field is even mut before the carbon is brought as we're going to learn on I think Monday you can actually harvest in the regular way don't stack up that grain. So, how would those who did the B which was how would they have a hecker as not to eat the so based on that is going to give us another which spoiler alert this will be our final masay there's a fundamental difference between and because people haven't eaten from it for whatever it is 6 months so they know to stay away from butt just yesterday they were having a beer people are people are naturally not going to stay away from that's the tyus in the beginning of why we have this whole inion Because there is this mus of you as to steer between but there's also the same kind of steer by the raon about why are you only worried about and not wants to give us now a third idea because the guy himself is going to look in order to destroy it. We don't that kind of guy who's doing a search and destroy mission that we should be that he's going to eat from it. He's going to destroy it. So we don't need to have any kind of bigger hecker than that to prevent him from eating it or another way to ferment for the steering is because what did the Mishna say that they would sell regular flour and flour of the kakali from the toasted kernels which you can't really eat which neither one of these things raw flour and kamaki you can't really eat these things. So you're not worried that people are going to eat them because they're not royal. That can't be true because that memor of iso an expression means it's wrong. It's outside. It's not mus because that's only going to explain why you're allowed to handle with these grains from the time when they toasted it because at that point it's no longer to eat but let's say it's raw before they put in the oven. There you can eat it. You might make a bio ad but you still can physically eat it then. So in that case should say that there should be a on handling the grain of kadesh. Maybe you're going to say all right well they had a hecker because they took it from the ground and not the regular way like had already said but what are you going to say about the when they allowed the regular way and you didn't have to do as we had already said we're going to give up on he's just wrong and we'll stick with that second idea which is the between and not being and the between and is because people are and people are not bodishna of once they brought the carbon then now of course and you can enjoy all your new fresh the people who live far away from they didn't really know when the was brought they didn't get their WhatsApp status to know exactly when it happened so they can look at their watch once they hit they could be that it happened and they no longer brought the actual carbon of the whole day which is reference of that day where they did the you cannot eat until the end of the 16th of Don as we'll see more about in the so without the carbon the whole 16th now going back to what the mission had already said why were people who were far away from why are they allowed to eat from they knew that is not going to be they're not going to shle and they can count on the fact that the kayan are going to bring the carbon as soon as they could and therefore by the time they hit no problems you could be had it already happened actually wonders like how are you allowed to be I mean let's say something happened in he says it's even bigger than that it's that there shouldn't be such a so it just never went wrong like the mission had said when the sun comes up on the 16th Day of Nissan it becomes mutter. This since there is no base of English should bring a carbon. The actual matter of kadesh is the sunrise. Rashi interestingly says usually we talk about but for whatever reason Rashi picks on picks up on that. So my what are the forim on the one hand which sounds like you got to wait until you bring the carbon. It also says on that day which sounds like it's about the day and not the carbon. So okay how do you reconcile? where you bring the carbon where you wait for the day. They argue with Ra and say no even when the mdish was standing there still is a from the Tyra says you got to bring the carbon so that's only for the mitzvah but the actual is lifted with the rising of the sun our says which sounds like you have to bring the to also the X Mishna which we're going to see on Bes says that the carbon was M outside the BA mdash and the was in the B mdash. So you need to actually bring the carbon also mitzvah turning overdos that the entire day is going to be my time create a new once there's no mdash and you can't bring the carbon what's wrong with just saying that the rising of the sun on the 16th is enough to be mad because now has come and we built and people are going to say don't you remember that last year on the 16th of Nissan we had wedies for breakfast and we were allowed to eat just with they didn't realize that last year the reason why they didn't bring a carbon is because there's no bas and therefore but now that the bish has been built and there is a carbon mater such an amazing thing you think about it forgetting about the fact that the third bias was just built in people are laser focused and it's like holy cow we're now bringing the carbon which is a big deal but what are we talking about the amount of time between when I want to have my breakfast and when they're actually going to rush to bring the carbon first thing anyway but that's all and Parenthetically I heard of Gifter that Zakai in that amazing gumar in Suka that lists all the from the greatest to the smallest the smallest being Zakai who knew everything and the gar makes the point about how great were the other tan but from the very fact that Zakai was the smallest the question is why is he the god if he was the smallest that means there were greater people than him and gifter makes the point that to be a god will be doesn't mean that you're necessarily the biggest that's not the criteria the criteria is someone who understands what the people need and can make the takonas that Kali Israel really actually needs. And Zakai had that ability. He was able to see with his that Kali Israel would need such a taka. That is the makeup of a true God will be Israel. And that's why he was the god of anyway. What's the point of bringing this? Because you see that we're really concerned that people are going to make such a mistake and they won't wait until the carbon is brought because of this. Now, if you're telling me like say that it's only because of a mitzvah that you need to wait for the carbon to be brought because of this extra mitzvah would make it to Israel doesn't protect you from an aud He's only saying it like she meaning that whole day of the 16th it really is and therefore going to be and that's why after the said you got to wait the whole 16th because that it's not because our said responding to clearly arguing with himar says no was the one who made a mistake as to what was who but it's not true was actually saying it's when there's no the whole day of the 16th of that sounds very rabbitic and for the garra Heim and therefore instituted the based on the fact that it's a now in arts there's always going to be so when we say 16th we're not really sure if that's the day that should be the so it should cast some doubt as to whether or not the or not so they would eat from the on the evening of the 16th which is the night before the 17th in other words they waited the whole 16th but they didn't wait an extra day of Because the whole is so will allow you to be. This is not so simple especially if you learn that it's going to be and therefore you wouldn't apply the idea of suffix they they actually waited until the morning of the 17th because they held but they didn't wait till the end of the 17th because they only made the tak for the whole day of Yemen but they didn't do it for so therefore the 17th of Nissan ins which the is only be based on the was not part of the zerina he wouldn't eat from the kadesh except for the evening of the 17th at the end of the 17th which is the night before the 18th who holds for the whole and therefore as We've said the carbon is materd and by shiv's time when they brought the actually took care of all the stuff in the mdash but until they couldn't bring a carbon from the other than the actual carbon and the itself because it's all before you brought the you can't bring any of these carbonas from the but kosher and we'll see more about that first from the what's the difference between the carbon that's brought before the carbon and a carbon that's brought before the in other words why is the carbon brought from before the carbon but before the it's going to be as the Mishna seems to make that and for the if you're going to say that a from is going to be puzzled before the carbon is brought because no one is to it you're going to assume it's the same kind of thing therefore you're going to use for the premise your question that it's the same kind of thing bringing a carbon before the there's already a header for Israel outside of the mdash. So the only thing is being m is that for the misbay. So it makes sense that the carbonas that would be brought before the are going to have less than the ones that are brought before the so. So there really is no kash from the of the mission. So taffan was quiet. He had no response. The takes out the word was he was like ah I got him. Were you so proud of yourself that you went ahead and chooked up the zen over here? It would be appella to me if you live very long, which on the surface sounds like a cola, but it might be just more of kind of a matter of fact that this is not a good way to increase your longevity by being proud of the fact that you slugged up the here. When that conversation happened, it was already the price of PES. was halfway towards PES meaning the two weeks before PES when I went up to go beel for shuis because it can't mean real because these people lived after the but when I went up I asked about him has already been so there's a clear moral to the story of according to that whenever there's going to be for the regular people if you bring a carbon from it it will be telling us that we didn't know already but by the case of that are brought before the because the wine before the carbon was never user to begin with. So there is no and therefore maybe would actually be that you can't bring the since it was never really to begin with there would be no reason to even answer it. Now the gar is going to bring four shilas of Ramy Brahma that we have the simmon of sedar galil simmon and we'll just do the first of these four shilas now we'll save the rest for shabas boy we've got this that the carbon foral is outside of the bdish and m what's in the mdish let's say you do it in the wrong order how does that even happen and let's say you planted new stuff between the carbon and the and then you pass by this man of the because as the mission is going to and the is only m the that took root before the was brought. But if this only took root after the was brought, it's not going to be for a whole another year. So now you have before the so I'll bring you from the following which later on in the BC will be to us. But first the Bryce goes through these other draw about the carbon when the Tyra says you bring this quote unquote is the terra talking about the of the in that because the is brought when that grain first ripens the talking about that what kind of grain is brought well is that true where there's an expression of when it talks about the Mak is borrowed is where the bar smashed the barley is also siren. Do you have that drawer? You know how I know that the R is brought from barley you find by where he's too poor to bring the actual animal carbon or even the birds because he's so poor. So you bring it from flour and for the is brought from the barley flour. So that's the that brings from and the sib the carbon of the that's brought with the carbon and carbon musf of is all brought with silus that's but it's also going to be brought in. So if you're going to say the carbon comes from the wheat we don't find that s ever bringing its carbon from siren. Bit of a difficult read there, but this seems to be Rika's muker that you have to have the carbon brought from siren or another muker that the R is brought from siren because if you say it comes from actual wheat and not barley are not going to be the first time you're bringing a carbon of and it has to be the first crop. Now coming back to the point we started with about doing the wrong order. If you're telling me that the can be even out of order before the carbon is brought and now I have found a mat of the being first. So if you could do them out of order it won't jive with the der of mocker for needing for the carbon and this would be the case of the can be brought from those plants of wheat that took root. It's before the but after last year's. Meanwhile, the we brought for those plants that already took root. Meanwhile, this year is being brought from those plants that took root before this year's carbon but after the last year. So, it's possible to have a case of the and the to be brought from wheat and the to still be considered quote unquote the bikurim and the first ones of its crew which would be the of come on me svers. Do you think the Bryce is talking about the is the bikurim moving over to it means to be the first the first carbonus that are being brought on the misb and such a month the case that we gave where these things are being done out of order the misb will have already had its peris from that year so even if the can be mater of order you still don't have a case of the bikurum if the would come from the wheat and if we have no r from the whole bice whether or not the can be m the kadesh and the b mdash out of order and we'll start the next of the for Shilama on Shabas's death.