Menachos Daf 67

All right, Davian Thursday's Davia whether or not of P from Micer. We had two different kahana because the meu ofdish is not or the gumar suggests it's more like a braer kind of a thing that never had in mind that part that they weren't going to use. There's a kasha from typhus that wants to know how according to that idea of that is not going to be po then the stuff is still in which case don't you have a problem mash is. It's not mut to use. So how do you use it for the and he answers that since we're actually being mate from the is of kadesh maybe we're also being mate from the is of the kadesh wants to suggest that maybe there's no isser because it's there's no isser on top of that is kadesh razner wanted to suggest that maybe there's no problem of mashki is when it's not an isser that's going to stick around it's not eternal because you can always get rid of it but either way according to you're still in kala and in micers and now we're picking it up 14 lines from the bottom of It's pushed to me that the will and even who seems to say that that extra flower from the is going to be iner because the money of the mdish was only really spent on that which they actually needed that final is that was going to be yielded from the gim but the other flower was never property to begin with is normalish from but that's going to when does that will be because the B says Michelle is you can assume if you get from two different that they're at the same etc. So I can be from one on the other. I don't be worried about and likewise. They also have the same of we're clearly not going with the kaduca for the of the understanding is they both will have the same matz of now that the yid has reclaimed this from the goimish alusim kusim which are not totally goim because it's a shift there gayas or gs. They'll also have the same status one to the other. Um, Kull Al and a yid can be mafish truma from the paris that belong to any one of these meaning a yid a kusi or a for other paris that belong to any of the other groups and therefore even the truma that was huish from paris that a guy grew is also going to be kosher for that which was grown by a yid that's all different but from the shall You can't go from because the understanding is that the is now going to be from micus and therefore you can't be mafish from or vice versa. Moving over to that's all about me for trumis and micus. Now let's talk gilgish putter. Let's say the water and the flower mix while they're in the rushes of hegish. It's gonna be from as it says in the third paragraph of let's say the woman was her issa before she did the actual gilgal before she mixed it up and then she was right away because now when the dough gets mixed it's going to be owned by a regular person not by heish and likewise misha let's say she was mit after she had already mixed it and then she was paid so then she's because when did the gilgal happen before it was owned by heish and the fact was owned by in the interim is not going to change anything but let's say she was before it got mixed and now while it was owned by the mdish it got mixed then so the gilgal of the issa while owned by ising from the so now we have three different if you have a pile of grain that was made while it was owned by the gizbar it's going to be put from micrus if you have meuak when it's owned by a it's going to be according to but lef And the third is that the issa when it's owned by a gizbar is going to be put from what's the about a gilg while owned by a and now the yid who gets that dough is he to take we learned in the third paragraph of kala is so let's say that isa that the g has was made meaning it was mixed up before he became a g then he's put there to take kala because when he mixed it he was still a guy but mission guy at that point he's a total y however sake If he doesn't know whether it was mixed before or after he was to take as Rashi says now who is the Tana of that Mishna mayor even but maybe and the reason would be because only over there we have an extra word of and that would But maybe over here that is going to be because one is to tell you that it has to have a certain shear. one is a so therefore even according to who are might be over here by the or maybe this is because they hold the is going to so same thing with no racial maybe they learn the sha to connect the micus and that just like me is going to be mak of the ga grain so to the Isa that's mixed by the alma. So Raba first starts off with a before he fur emphasil in a dream which is kind of amazing. We know there's a whole he from dreams but later on was able to for the shila the one meaning who hold that is going to from will also be and which is going to be. So the two are going to line up perfectly one next to the other. A favorite. The Bryce seems to say not that way. Let's say a guy who is obviously not in any mitzvah. He's a meaning he separated that sheep to be his firstborn donkey or he separated from dough that he made. We let him know hey buddy you know now that you were because you were a guy at that point and therefore the kala that you quote unquote were mafish is a garnish. It can it could be eaten by a you could do a with that donkey because it has no kadusha at all. But notice that it only picked and so it sounds like truma from any grain that was when he was a would still be would still be would be to a non. This is a Tana that holds that by a guy is not going to put fromus but yet the dough that the guy makes will be from this is that there's a Tana that's in these two you can't just line them up the same from this following from outside we let him know that he doesn't have to take the micris and his and his truma doesn't have any in it. So it's not going to create any problems. So from the fact that we're medic that the kala inside and the truma outside of Israel, it sounds like the truma that's in Israel will be to a non and it will create the soil. So this is the tan who holds that meu of a is not going to potter it from messer but yet the gilgal of the issa by a is going to potter from how can just line up these mum we see it's not that case which the gar answers on behalf of raba it's midon when the brace says the truma from the is going to now be if that's only going to be a dindon but ra was talking about what's the idea of the dindon because people who have a lot of money and are trying to use a different in order to be able to get away from having to pay such a big amounts of micer so they would give away their ownership of their pairs to the and that would do the and therefore they'd be put from messer. So in order to stop this they came up with an eight and said all right you're going to be to give it anyway turning over well then if you're telling me that we're so worried about this kind of then you should also be worried about too rich people also have a lot of dough rich people do have a lot of dough see what I did there for the no it won't help because you anyway have a different you could just bake less at a time and you'll never be so it's an easy way out and therefore there would be no point in making such fact I also have a way out that famous gar If you bring in the grain into your house with its chaff so that the animals would eat it, you're still going to be put from micrus because at that point since it's still animal food, it's not going to be for a person if you don't have the because you take it in from the attic ways or the windows upstairs or whatever ways to avoid the so also there's how to avoid it which the says okay but hessia zilsa The rich guy is not going to do these public things in order to avoid having his so we're not so worried he's going to do those things but here just to bake less at a time and therefore there would be no point making upon him because there's always a way out there won't be okay let's do the Mishna that's going to talk about the actual process for bringing the carbon the one bringing the carbon is going to come to this is that was prepared he adds the oil and the levina so sh about olive because the have an issue about The order that takes place here it's a question of where happened to the salt which was needed for all kurbonus yakal he poured more oil onto the flour and mixed it with the flour and the oil he waves it he brings it close to the he does the kamita burns that and the that's going to be our going to eat in the mdash once the was brought and now we're you go out and you find the whole marketplace is full of flour and all the stuff that was already prepared because people got ahead of the game and started preparing that which didn't make the so happy that they were getting ahead of it even before it was mut there's nothing wrong they were all eager to have that and therefore they can prep it even before the actual carbon armor was brought we'll stop here and pick it up with Friday's d on the gamarra