Menachos Daf 63

All right, dam gimmel. This is Sunday's da. Today we get to finish the fifth perish on top of which is a reference to one of the kinds of min. So if he says he's going to bring a loyesh he can't bring a that was made in a pan that's a different kind of kali and likewise now what's the difference in these two different kinds of pans and to that we have a maresh according to they really look the same just one has a lid and one doesn't but is a deep pan and therefore the oil collects and doesn't burn all the way off and therefore it has a soft and spongy consistency to it as opposed to a sofa it's shallow and therefore ma therefore becomes crispy because it burns off all of the oil leaving the actual to become hardened my time what's says that the whole between and is whether it has a cover because if you're telling me that is from the expression of it that has to do with those ais that are coming from the heart like it says in the can that his heart is stirring with. So in the same way maybe the bringing is to be for his and therefore that's what the is for. So in the same way that his thoughts are covered so to the pan should be covered and as opposed to the might be for things that you say like Rashi says and that and that expression would be that it's putting out sounds. So in the same way it's uncovered your sounds. So too the pan is also uncovered. But I could show you the is because it's for the things that are secretive in your heart. Why have you hidden this running away and could be for things that are like the expression that his lips are they're moving. Anyway, the point is that the expression of mares and makavas it's not move from the actual words if one means covered and one means exposed because you can find rise both ways how know that one means covered and one doesn't now we should point out that since this is a in our about what the definition of is to say that there is a is a problem for that because the raam famously says that that can't have and it could be law is maybe not the same thing as a but now we move on that there are different definitions of the depth of the pans is whatever you make in the mares is like a shallow pan you put it on not in but ones if a guy says I'm going to bring a mares he doesn't say what's in the mares he didn't say the product of a marsh. He just said I'm bringing a marshes. So we don't know what he means and therefore until comes we're not going to know what he meant. And now the is going to explain what the suffix is that we have to wait for. Is he referring to the actual kali? So he says I'm going to donate a mares to the basd or that which they produce. Meaning he's referring to the actual carbon that's made in the mares. And since we don't know what it is, it has to be a it's interesting. Why don't we just ask the guy? Clearly that's not an option. Is he not around? Is he not? You have to work that out. There is. And now we describe what that looks like. It looks like deep tongs. When you put dough inside of it like these kinds of so whatever these things actually are, but you see that the is the name of an actual kali. and also and the Tyra says whatever you made in the on the but the point is that is saying according to Basil when a person says I'm bringing a mas he's talking about the actual caleb and not that which is produced by those caleb and therefore according to basil there is no suffic if you want to know what the actual ka looks like so the older garas have kind of a messed up picture you have to look in like either a newer garam art scroll and migr have a very nice picture of this what looks like a letter C with a handle sticking out so almost looks like a horseshoe and it's got these bletois these kind of indentations at the base of it and that's what the maresha's pan actually looks like. So the next Mishna Hari batanor if someone says I'm going to bring a carbon mah that was brought in a tanori maf you can't bring the kind of bread that's going to be baked in a kupak which is a different and smaller kind of oven it can't be baked on raven which we're going to touch as the tiles or some other kinds of hot stones a riceim you also can't bring something that was baked in this Arab pot which is either some sort of a hot kali or something that's in the ground according to the raamuda on that first in the Mishna if he wants to maybe you could bring that which you're going to bake in a not just in audit and then the mission says if someone says I'm going to bring this kind of baked carbon you can't bring half as half as half the point is you can't mix and match any amount but doesn't care you have to bring 10 loaves it doesn't have to be 10 of one kind of style or kalis it could be a mishmash of different ones will also be we'll see in the what the maky are the says in the second par of that when you bring this kind of special so we as our said no the says says it twice once and as Rashi explains when the terror says something twice so it's coming to me something so what's it You know why it says it twice or a totally different that not only do you have to bake it in a tan but the second time it says tanor it tells you the there's an actual kadusha when these are baked inside the tanor it achieves the same kind of thing like a kicharis would do that it actually imbuss the kalus with kadusha fractur you telling me the tanor makes them kadeshim I'll show you that can't hold that the actual towner gives it to because we're going to learn later on in the you can actually bake the you could bake them in the Azor which is what you'd expect and you can also bake them in B pagi which is outside of the azara. Now, if you're telling me these things have a kaduca level from the tanor, you'd have a psulit. This is how rashi learns. Tyus is very bothered by this because you wouldn't have the psulit from the tanor. You might have a psulina. So, tyus shis is going to be a bizarian to take it out. But rashi learns that there should be absolute according to shim. So, am you're right. That could never have been what said and shiman just meant that the second time it says tan in the pk it means that when you go ahead and you're maktit you're supposed to speak out that you're mashit for baking it in the tanner. You're supposed to speak out that what you're intending to do. Then the mission said you can't split up some kalis some let's go for the musak when you're supposed to bring these which we say when you're doing it as a as opposed to that you don't have to bring these then the says like our mission said it's a one carbon meaning I only told need to bring one carbon scheme carbonus and not two or three don't and one or the other. either or it's interesting that he says I saw the cash from the brisk like what's the there's only two choices here that must be carbon back to turning over bays it doesn't say carbon twice says only carbon from the fact of since we know there are two different flavors of you can have and we're calling that carbon vice dice they're both old carbon and therefore you should be able to mix and match and therefore maybe also maybe and what do you do you mix them together and you take out the kamita from both them and if you did take a and you only came up from one kind meaning the kits might have only had pieces from the or from the still yatza that's alli is a new name now this is the son of yehuda that we had beforehand and we're going to see it's going to be a very similar shittita to his Fore. So we have these two just like the second set of the is referring to that's two different kinds be two different types. And the point he's making is you got to keep the two different kinds and you can't mix and match between the because they have to be two separate kinds of how does he understand what said had a good time because the terra only called it one carbuda no since the terror said twice carbon carbon dumpy that's the same thing as like both calling it carbon carbon and therefore you cannot make the of both half kalis and halfikin you got to keep them the separate carb bonus verb the fact that it says is not going to be a riot because he likes I might think the terms you have to take half and half maybe I think that's not any good maybe you have to have both that's why the Tory says the extra word of which tells you that there should be that you can bring each one independently and you don't have to do them both together now we quoted as if it's its own but they both hold that you have to do all so what's the difference between and his father and for the what's going to be the according to it's going to be but according to it's not even going to be and tomorrowe we get to start the sixth perk Back.