Menachos Daf 62

Okay. Dam shabas is d. We get to learn lots more about Tanufa as we pick it up five lines from the bottom of Tanya. The puss says by Israel mainly Israel but how do you know that a g and an also do anybody who brings it which is a reboot to include for so is that the maybe the is only referring to that and maybe it's coming the bum don't do any which the says so the terror is already established that the bum is already so is coming both the gum and the nowad how do you do a mitzvah if there's both an for the bum and for the kahanim so the following is the process the kayen puts his hands under the bum's hands and they do the tanufa together we mentioned tyus yesterday about his potential problem of kita tus suggests that perhaps it's not really davka that the hands are underneath the other hands which is difficult from the garra tyis springs from rashi later on that the isim and therefore that's why it won't be a kata we mention that in kadush says that it won't If that's how the terrorist surah of the mitzvah is done and perhaps just to add to the mix, Rabbi Gross had another mahal based on the briskov because the brisk mad in the Rambamish that it's not an equal of mitzvah between the bum who has to do and the kay who has to do. It's really all about the kayen doing the but the sura of how is done is by holding the buser in the hands of the bum. In other words, the hands of the bum are like the cle that holds the buser. So when you the cayenne are holding the hands of the bum you're holding the container that holds the buser but the tanuf is really being done by the kayen not by the bum. So since the kay we look at the bum as his hands being the cle of course it's not a that's the of how it's done. Okay, moving over to what's the actual of the piece. So you're stacking it. First you put the and on top of that you put and whenever there happens to be as part of that carbon you'll put the on top of that which is on top of the where do we find that the is going to be on top of for some reason the gar didn't want to include the carbon and the caronus of noir which also used in rash. Now my timer going back to the reason for how the stack is done. Why do we put the on top of the so the PK seems to be listing that the are stacked on top of the but that can't be the so you have a that implies the go on top. Soaya. Now the reason that that second says the go on top of the that's because that puss is talking about that brings it back from the area in the bas where they were chopping up the animals and over there in the are going to be put on top of the and then he turns it over and puts it into another kay's hand. But bashufa those that were on top are now on the bottom. It's that first that tells us that are going to be on top of another says there's another that seems to say that the go on top of the that's talking about the third that once again when he takes it to go actually be of it the are once again on top and he that third so it's a three process and inami depending on which part of the process we're talking about which thing will be on top is Is it going to be the or is it going to be the shake? This does seem to say that will be with three. It has an implication in even brings that based on the that you're with three people. You don't need to wait for a larger crowd to do and this is also brought in regards to you see you don't need more than three for the said that in reference to the will do with these it sounds like that the should put theim on top of the and not the on top of the remember the terra says in the alvim that you put it on top of of the had the only written that you put it on top of the I might have thought that the only go on that you put them on the is making it equal and you can't that one goes on top of the other the way that we know that you put the on top of the is because we find it otherwise there now where do we find that the go on top of the papu as we said earlier. So the fact by the kadus are going to be on top of the kvassim is going to be number one of four of how we did this number two. No, it's not true. The kassim go actually on top of the only reason why the terrorists had said is to be saying these carbonas as opposed to the other seven that are brought with that don't require any a third the way you're mamm putting them together not stacking one on top of the other but you put the between the legs of the and that's how you do the So it seems odd, but the way the says you to do it is by putting these two things together sticking it in between the legs of these king. You wouldn't even do this for a human king. It doesn't make sense to put the there. You put it next to it. That's how you're putting the next to the It sounds like one has to be stacked on the other. of the lur of when you say the word al doesn't necessarily mean one on top of another like a stack but it could be next to it where do you put the leav next to the on the not on it you put the on the and obviously we don't mean it's on the capyus goes on the not the paroas heavy when you hang that paras near the that's called al. So in the same way that's called al the go next to the upon him not on the upon him and therefore it can also be by us the go with the kayas not on the kadas. Then the mission talked about the directions that you do the we go in all four directions. So we do the in all four directions to illustrate Hashem's over the whole world. We got to save off the bad winds up and down is to keep away the bad dew. There's interesting rashi over here but rashi says the four different directions which we never do when we're in shaw. We're facing east. Have you ever seen anybody point their lul in the suffs rashid davka lab davka. So it's interesting the Russians should actually pick ris literally and not just say right left up down forward backward right and left etc but actually it's often a draven mitzvah is called like the mitzvah it's not the part of the mitzvah but yet see it's very helpful even though it's not the part of the mitzvah lulov the same thing with alulv it's interesting that there is this connection between alulv and kachim as we've mentioned in the past the only sugis of mitzvah Habobia vera in the bavi are regarding carbonus namely the and lula and it could be according to some you won't have mitzvah by other things and it could be that's because those are both a nyanim of ritsui there's a shyus of lulov as part of an aida and that's why maybe according to the bavi mitzvah will only exist by those kinds of things talks about matagula that's why I'm saying specifically bi but there definitely is a unique connection between lulov and kumakarakov mleakyak would first stick the lul out and then bring it back to himself And he would say and he would say out loud seemingly stick in the eye of the It's interesting. Was he talking in the middle of hollow? Isn't that when you hold the lul and the lul says it's not really a heik. And he says it's no different than if you say byris when you say the to the baby is kay before the buffen it's not a heik as it's part of the service. But others bring a from here that clearly there's an Indian toul. But this idea of sticking it to the sutton it's not the right thing to do. Don't start up with the sun. We don't want the sun trying any harder to make him do a and lastly we mentioned yesterday that beautiful in paraglid about ideas of the and the representing which in this context we're specifically talking about the not only is there a whole animal you do the with the entire animal no It's not the whole animal. It's after the you only do it with those parts of the animal or how do we look at when you do it through or through a do we say that when A is learned from B, we take all the characteristics of B and apply it back to A or we can learn from it but we leave everything in its own context and only apply what we need to to our A. Now just like so too by these also needed and from this we learn from it but we leave it alone meaning we don't bring all the over but leave it alone in its own context by these of meaning the way they were when they were alive when you did the which is the entire animal and not just the turning over a different way to understand the everybody's mask of and really you should bring all the over but why say it's different and you do the whole animal because just like the just like the which we give the we should do the with whatever is given to the which is the whole animal so it really is the same it is another it's the actual opposite everybody holds that you leave it alone and it's only but why did say it's going to be the same is because another of so That reeboy tells us that the sha made su is going to be done the same way as the sham. Then the next part of the mission listed shim who gave us the three mitzvah that only two of the three applies to each. We're just going to quote this part of the now. There is no you always do the but you don't do the you don't do the after it's and now the gar is going to give us the potential of why we would have thought you would do that third for each one of these still. So why don't we do the will only be done by the not the which only going to require and not why don't we say they should have yet still which do require to which we have a or that can't be more than two of. And lastly, why don't we do the after of the which only requires when it's alive yet still that it still needs while it's alive. We have a special so there's a special that you don't do the because of that's written by the last if five people bring one carbon one brings for all of them who doesn't actually do the herself the cayenne does it for her which as we pointed out from Rashi on yesterday's daf it seems like it's working alikas which is actually challenging because anything that you can't do yourself. You can't make a shik to do it for you. So how is it shik that we can have for tufa? There is an important advance to know over here. It's in Hilus carbonus test Zion. The advas writes that if a woman is married her husband should do the tufa because the husband is the bala carbon else the kagu and if she's single she taka doesn't do the tufa but the application of the advis is making the bal into the actual carbon is very important whether or not is a woman who doesn't do by herself. This says the should just do it for her. Also, someone who's not present and they sent their carbon from far away, the Cayenne does it for them.