Menachos Daf 58

All right, today's Tuesday's DA pick it up about 2/ird of the way down on Nun Bayon the Bryce says how do you know if you take the buser of a which you're supposed to eat and you actually bring it on the incorrectly or from the which we're going to have to talk more about because those things are never brought in that if all these things are brought on the improperly that you're ever tells us that you can't add the and the cannot be added to the carbon on the so this to mean anything from which the carbon was already put in the so now you're supposed to eat it you're not allowed to burn it so those parts of the carbonus that were not burned cannot be burned so many of these things on the list we can understand etc but practicumaru upon him. There's nothing that goes on the upon him that the rest of it now would have that love because the Bryce says by the on the list of all the things that have these summer there's nothing from the actual that's put into the and that's why they're from but the of the of not putting it on this that absolutely could be and as Rashi speaks out by the you do have the and you also by the have the so there are aspects of these different avoid that are brought on the misbeh so the shirim of those things that you're not supposed to bring on the misbeh cannot be brought on the mbe and you'll be Let's say you don't bring these things on the but rather you put them on the on the ramp. So is that also going to be the you wouldn't know anything more than so we're learning a heckish here that you also extend the iser even to the itself but my time and those which is what's going on over there. That's when there's going to be a reboot to the kevish. But all other things that are listed in the brace, the kvish is not going to be like the moving over to what do the word for a totally different says. I might have thought that a could bring a of the and that would work and it would be a of that carrying out your carbon. The Tyra says that you should bring this carbon races only the brings the contin there's no corresponding that the would bring maybe that could bring its own because there is a corresponding of the it's kind of an amazing thing right the havina of bringing where would even the money come from and it could be it's just like in the summertime of the kit where they have leftover money But that would have been the had the not said which which we limit that the only brings the and not a what's that from and the only things that you bring actually that have is going to be the and the and when we say it means any all sweet things on this point that the garra had made is it so paret that the can't be brought as ava ivany Another B says one P says which includes even of so why does the Torah also have to say which is the same idea by the bikurim and it's the same idea what do we mean you do find that has a massive of in the mdash as we have said by the Butd. There is no carbon that can ever have honey in the BD. But you do have a mat where honey is going to be by the there is no so each one has its own respective and the B ends off since each one has its own uniqueness. Okay. So that's this Bryce. But now let's bring it home to ask our cash that we had said the could never be brought up in DVA. So what is that example of that is it's going to be the as we had spoken out but we're talking of because it can't be of because those are never brought on they're completely eaten by the so it must be talking about which are put on them as a we have a steering braces can you bring up or not and for theorm of amorim that second brace is talking about where the iso by says that are brought with the and inami there is no such thing as that can be brought in the da but the price is just telling us that even though the are not brought on the misb they do have a ka that they don't prevent the katas from being brought on the misb but if that's the case that that's called a ka because it's not ma the kayatim nami will also have a hut the mikdos because we learned in the third paric of bikurimo the birds those doves that were on the baskets when they brought the fancy procession of all the different they would bring them as a carbon and those baskets that the bum were bringing they were brought to the kahan. So even though you're not allowed to bring any dvash or meaning on the misbeak but they still did bring those birds as the so the isser of dvash has the same kula as the sar that it does not prevent those carbonas from being brought because those birds are not really a different carbon they're only there to be mater to beautify the purum when they're being given it's not a dim to the we talked about the mal there's a how would that extend to the should we say the because all of the buser of the is eaten by the kahan none of it is burned on the so it's not really to the other kinds of carbanas only the dam goes on the carbonarbon so there's your answer it is called a carbon but really it's It has to be something that the is what's not put on the but the other part is put on the carbon. So this is a how to define the love. So there's your ramen. The part of the tahara of mitsra is he has to bring a lug of she which the uses as part of this process and we call it a carbon even though none of it really goes on the tunnum rais. So you see it has a sh also being considered a carbon even though it's not really brought on this technically. So I would only know that that if you burn the entire of the how do you know if you only burn part of it which sounds a lot like this should be to the which you know from maybe there's that applies to there's the in the beginning of that says that there's a for stealing so maybe according to those days there should be an isir even for burning the portion of the shear of the upon him. We bring this of to say it'll be even for part of it. How do you know oft not a kaz but the actual kmates itself What's arguing whether or not we're talking about the you don't have to have the be the size of two turning over and therefore argues and says so it'll all be about the if somebody takings up a carbon from and on the MSB You're going to get four sets of malus as we've discussed and so you got four different times you're going to get malcus no like you don't get malcus for a that includes multiple sur but there's another lotion you're going to get one set of malcus there's another lotion that says that that according to he's not even going to get one set of milk because we're not it's not like the classic lav de kasima that prototypical case that it has to match and therefore you're not going to get malcus at all and we'll stop here and pick it up with the mishna for