Menachos Daf 54

All right, Daff Nun Dalid Friday's Daff as we're finishing out this Agata Gomorrah. I believe it's 10 lines from the bottom of Nunim Bayua Ben Leas. Why is compared to an olive tree? Because earlier in the Gumra, we did quote that Hashem called Israel the Zas. So why are we compared to an olive tree? The leaves don't fall off in the summer or the winter. How do you get the oil to come out of the olive? By crushing it. So sometimes the only way we do our chuva is when we are faced with the issurin. All right, but back to the issues at the beginning of our per discussed about those carbon that requires how do you achieve that leavenning process. So rather than just dumping water into the flour and letting it slowly beamates, we create some sourdough by taking out a little of the flour, making it into so it's a leavenning agent, and then putting it back in. But Rhuda didn't like that idea because it won't do a good job. He would rather bring a new source of sourdough and put it into the measuring kay and then fill the rest with flour. But they said to if you do that, it'll be it'll be too much or too little. Now the asks depends if the mixture is very thick so there's very little water in it is then it comes out when you take out the isurin it's going to be too much flour but raqa if it's loose meaning it has too much water you don't have enough flour and you're not going to have the proper amount for your isarin who cares what it was before you measured it once you measuring out the flour in the measuring kar you're always going to take out an exact isarin the fact that it was there earlier why should that even stir It's not what it is now. So rais measure what it was and therefore if that little sourdough is too thick or too loose that will mess up the amount of the isaring. Why don't we first measure the isarin and then take a bit of flour from it knead it and then actually wait for it to become to other dough and then bahade and then you could bring this newickle of sourdough that you've just made and put it together with the remaining flour. Why doesn't mud just suggest this? And for the you know why they didn't go that way because if you start now taking some out and then creating new sourdough outside of the mixture and then putting it back in the fear is that people are going to now just bring complete sourdough from outside and add it to the flour of a real carbon ma that's already been measured. Now you're really gonna have the wrong amount of the and that was certainly possible the BA says moving over you can't make the loaves of the carbon using which we like to translate as apples but it's very likely it does not mean apples but whatever the definition of is you can't use that as your liquid to create you can so it's a sh of who actually was the member but there certainly is a on the issue so come Who is the that the following mission can go like let's say take a of truma and you put it into non truma do the now the whole thing becomes haru and when we say assur we're talking about it now has the denim of truma because it's a significant thing here it's turning the whole thing into so come on who's that going like raon because according to the raon you can't make the al the apple juice and therefore if it falls into the trum it would be ble and it's not going to answer like the garra because you have degrees of before you get to full-fledged it can still be considered which is a lower level. So everybody's been asking that if you are going to create the it could still be because at least it created the you don't have the challenge of doing the more than by the doesn't have any oil in it but yet it still needs the very hard to do this with totally dry flour to get the exact inevitably some's going to fall out when you brush it with your finger and therefore would be You're allowed to add to the some water and that'll still make iter making it more practical to do the sole of holds that when you make the how much flour you're supposed to have you look at as it is right now and therefore you can add water before you do the kam because it's not going to change the exactitude of the measurement of the kam. However, according to law, you look at the amount of flour that there was initially before you added the water and therefore you can't add the water before the kamita now you're really throwing things off according to that's going to be a shil of when you look at do you look at the original or do you look at it the way it is now says no because you look at it as the way it is now when holds the says that has to be meaning dry. It means dry from the oil but it can have water but can hold completely dry even from water that could be there. We learned in the second paragen bosselis. Let's say you have meat of an eggel of a calf that has swelled up and now it's the shear boser or you have old animal meat that shrunk. And what's this for? Na for whether or not you're going to have to because it has to have the shear of aa to be mama and big shil. Does that mean that other things or it itself can only become Tammy if it is a year? Rashi's in Shabas is so it's possible that according to Rashi doesn't even become T if it's less than a Kaya. So here you have this case in the Mishna of this changing size meat. So which we now need to understand what does that exactly mean? Is that the way it was or the way it is? And after them comes the we look at it as the way it is now. the way it was initially as opposed to but the idea is they're looking at the way it used to be before it changed its size they asked for the following let's say it was too small didn't have a sharashir then it got bigger so it's going to be for the things beforehand before it got bigger but going forward it already is the share of a and therefore it will become So clearly we look at the current size of it and not the initial shear the way it was beforehand which the says no the might only mean but we go back to the initial size it was and therefore it's not going to be if you're telling me they're only talking about if we're talking about nicer now you can talk to me about is there even a for nicer when it's only going to be a dendra. So the Bryson must be talking about adenda and therefore it's and we're going to go buster the current size for the to which the says no you could say different when it says nicer that means if you didn't say that you might have thought the whole not that is of curries but the toma of pickle the tum of nicer or only going to be a dindraon and maybe a vite since the whole is only a dindrail not be so mid on it when the meat changes in size. So kamash and that's why the tan needs to tell us that they takle and the tuma in nicer in such a mativa have another bryer it says let's say you got a meat of an old animal that really used to have the size of a and now it's shrunk and now it's too small. So it's for all the things that it was in the past and going forward where it's now going to be small no problem it's going to be not. So you see even it's going to be assessed by the size it is now not by the size it was the sees me this riot for the bry and therefore as mim that's a different issue what's going on in the mob you know what the is about when was able to convey to but now it shrunk and it doesn't have the requisite shear now it doesn't have the shear and therefore we don't have to deal with it to at all but if it didn't used to but now it does everybody's this is only going to be turning over but keep piggy where are the we listed going to have a boy the meat initially was and then it shrunk and then afterwards it got big again and now once again is the size of a some of the meaning all hold there is going to be a when it comes to ra and the other hold there is not going to be any when it comes to the mission in the third part of says says if you put a size of and what happens in the sun it shrinks nicer and they all shrink is and there won't be any for these other things because because you don't have this shear let's say now you put those shrunken things back into the rain and now they swelled up and now they Once again this year and taka. All right, I got to stop a little early for today's daff. We're going to pick this one up at Toshma when I post Shabas's daf