Menachos Daf 53

All right, today's gimmel picking it up with a new peric as we start the Mishna matzah. All carbon that have these are all matzah. They're not made with except for those specific ones of the of the 40 that are brought with the carbon 10 of them need to be and which are loaves of bread that we've been talking about in the last par. So those two examples of the taid and those are going to be but everything else is going to be not. Now it does seem like the and the tit are being called a min and Tus wants to know that really they're not technically a min but so Tyus really makes it a little bit lava really they're technically not a carbon mka but we're calling them a carbon back to the Mishna those two that become we're kind of under the gun you have to make them into a timely way. So even though of course if you leave the flour in water for enough time it will be but we want to accelerate that. So you take out the sourdough for them meaning the and that's how you make these into. So the process is first you measure the exact amount of flour. You take out a small mix it with water knead that little stickle together and then use that as a sourdough to make the rest of the flour become no there's no problem with it but it's not a good solution. If you make the carbon this way it's not the right way to do it because it won't really be effective says it's not going to be because it's not really a good in the first place. So what does suggest differently? You bring your own sourdough nice. You put it into that empty measuring kali and you fill up the rest of the measuring kali with flour. This way the dough will become completely but you're not going to have too much because you're already including it as part of the shear. So you're getting the correct amount of flour and you're getting the sourdough mil. It's not going to be exact. The sourdough is not going to be exactly the same volume as the flour that's within it and therefore it's going to mess up the amount of flour that's in the whole business. And the problem with that is that when you come to take a kamita later, your kamita will be off because it's not exactly the right amount of flour mat. Give me a mocker. How do you know this that the mission just told us that all are brought with matzah responds back? And what do you mean by it says that you need to have matzah? You don't need to find a new mucker and de like cba if it doesn't happen to say udfa need matzah cba the following pussk says which implies that all carbon must be matzah because moving over to [music] the says so this is referring to a global reference of all of mas and it says it's got to be matzah so what do you need another muker for pray this is back no let me clarify my question I'm not asking for the muker of where do you know that the mitzvah to bring a carbon mah has to be done with matzah I know it's supposed to but how do I know it's m because if it only says it once then it'll still be okay unless it's and you find me a second muker I won't know that it's going to be mami says back there's also a mucker in the it's because the says because the tyra says which means don't do what's the alternative it's got to be matzah now we're going to have three different cases on that mucker oft number one mask va maybe I could dion separately Don't make it as but what should you make it lur sior is not the same thing as sar sar is sour dough and siorur is a kati baked bread so although the terra says don't make but it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to have the opposite of matzah maybe it just means you can't have complete and it's coming to be marba but the garamar has a problem with that because whose sear would be referring to be mayor if it's the sear of mayor that we're going to learn more about the dough has become more whitened but he goes like sheuda that holds that's matzamalyah that kind of sear is matzah and mayor and if is talking about the seud which has cracks in the dough but he's going that kind of se is actually has a mayor mayor meaning the dough that became white like mayor that can't be because then the fact that you're going to get malus for eating that kind of dough on pes it's actually has a d oft in other words it's either going to be the or it's going to be the matzah but it's already going to be one or the other so Ella deruda The only fourth option of what seir is is going to be according to Rihuda that developed cracks and it's going like Rhudu who holds that seir is neither nor matzah and what is asking is maybe this pik that is talking about that's kind of poss but rather not se which is neither nor matzah another maybe of saying what maybe you can't have but what you should do is take the dough and pour the boiling water over it which is a whole other cooking dough process and the garra now asks and what is the mat of it's which is something that we're going to see more about later on. Certain carbon mas actually require a raik the pouring of boiling water. If it's the kind of carbon that requires then it would say it you need to have and here we're talking about regular that there is no requirement of and therefore we're not talking about that. Well, okay. Maybe where it says in the Torah you need to do that's just mitzvah. likes but where it doesn't say then mati maybe you have the option you could bring it as regular mat or but either way you don't have a ria from this that it can't be therefore it must be matzahk and the third cash is going to be mask maybe when brought maybe it's this one's pretty wild this is maybe the person who lets the become he is going to be alive but if but the actually doesn't become puzzle the stays kher just the person's over this is a Very fascinating one because the get very busy with how is this not the in the beginning of because you're telling me that the persons in the process but yet it does not possle that which they're trying to accomplish taking sides and it could be there is no issue of mahi mahani when it comes to kachum okay so lisa we've given up under amm's muker that how do you know that all kvas have to with matzah elam nolan what's the mocker kanya like the bry says matzah the tyra says a min is matzah so y mitzvah a matter of fact that's not telly says it has to be done this way. So it's clearly how do you know that every one of them are needed with which is lukewarm water you got to watch them and guard them so they don't become so nil do we learn out this of this dough from where it also has a expression of mat layer of says back you don't need to learn it from hil because it says befarish by the that so you got to keep it the way it is. meaning make sure it stays that way stays as matzah and doesn't become but we already used up this to say that it's so how do you learn another if you're telling me that the is only telling me that the den of matzah is so then my okay the rest of today's d is going to be some aesque style garri rabon and rebi praa rebi ezra barbar de rabi aulas [music] ezra who was the grandson of rabi We have to user benazaria. He was a 10th generation of rebelary who was 10 generations after Ezra he's standing outside. So Omar prayed said my why you giving me his whole if he's then he could come into the house and I'm happy to see him if he's and he has and if he's not and he's also not then he should be consumed by fire. which is a very stark expression which sounds incredible that he's actually giving him a different what he might have meant they responded back he is a repa said leacy so let him come in when Ezra came in repra saw that his mind was very unsettled I guess he was a little bit shaken up that he was getting this whole question here so started saying over a pusk to make rebes feel better says adono The is saying that you're saying tom that you're my master and my is not to you. So what do weem you should be to me because I've made you known in the world says back to the people I'm not your type to you because they were the first ones to make me known in the world. Now spoke up and said when he heard that was saying the lion of being very strong he said his own sounds like a riddle let the strong one come and take on behalf of the strong ones from the strong ones in the strong ones and this is how he explains it and he should give a on behalf of the strong ones which are claw Israel from the strong ones the mighty ones sink like [music] lead in the water. It's interesting Mishnabu even brings based on this garra that adim is not referring to the water. It's not the strong water. It's the mayim. So you should pick a comma after the word mayim and a pause before you say the word adim which is referring to the mitzim [crying] is referring to the water. Okay. Anyway, that was Ezra's ch. Now we're going to have other of these riddle sounding kinds of drushes. Next one. I remember this next one I heard when I was in high school in camp you did and must have been 19 I want to say 1988 when Rabie Gal Seagull who's part of our kabura probably hearing this now when he was head counselor. So he invited Roman wine to camp for Shabas and the camp's name was camp. So Rafman in his inimitable dramatic fashion did. So let the beloved who's the descendant of a beloved come and build a beloved for the beloved in the portion of beloved and those who are beloved will receive their capara. Okay, that's the enigmatic statement. So turning over to Bid who's that referring to that of interestingly if you look over at that top says that is a reference to either or says perhaps that's coming from this garnish that's a reference to the Those who are beloved are going to receive their the He's going to receive the one more. Let this one come. Now getting back to what herb Ezra said is a reference to audddash at the time when it was being destroyed. Marshaw says that au came to davin on behalf of kalisrael. Rabbi Gross spoke out from David Salvich that it's interesting that we call it the base migdash despite the fact that it was already he actually says it might have what to do with gross brings and said to what are you doing here in my house said I'm coming I'll my children said look they did a and therefore they're going into maybe they did said they were doing it on purpose Maybe that was only the of them did the it was the said that okay maybe that should be for them that said that they somehow concealed their kind of surgery to themselves says if you gave more time maybe they would do chuva which is a reference that was and rejoicing when they were doing a so they're not going to do chuva So put his hands on his head, cried, he wept. Maybe there's no way they can come back. Just like an olive tree, it can come back at the end. Just like an olive tree, it's bes at its end because it doesn't bear fruit until long after it's planted. A Israelis bes will also come back. of our puppy the words the following way that when heard the sounds of the moraglin the branches of Israel were broken papa they said a terrible thing and stronger than we are they were saying that even Hashem cannot take his out of the house meaning he wouldn't even be able to take Israel out Because the people who are initan at the time are so much stronger should have been the sound of the great word the milum that they were saying. Ella this is the puss the way you read I heard your voice and I will have on the people. I said they were going to have to be engulfed for four malus four kingdoms called kashir arbalus and each one would have the duration of arba malus. That's what we said by the Brisbar. But now that you each one will only have them for the time that was allocated to it and they will not all have this longer expensive amount of time or another. They're going to be successive. Now the I'm going to have them all for Malis at the same time which will definitely make things go way faster. All right folks, I'm going to go run to catch my flight. Sorry about the noisy lounge. We'll pick it up from Omarishuvi next