Menachos Daf 48

All right, today's picking it up at the very bottom of its with a new let's say instead of the two instead for twice the amount that you're supposed to have. So take two of them and do the together with the moving over to so the Bryce is telling us that sure you messed up you did four kal instead of two kalas which means two of the kalus are going to have the kaduca while the other two are going to remain with their kaducious dim. So you have to do tanufa because we know you're supposed to do and then a second tanufa after the but you take out two of the kalas to do the tanufa and the other ones you can do a pigeon to remove the kaducious dum and make them back into hula. Now Tyus on the bottom of B speaks out that the tunufa that you're doing is going to have every permutation with each one of the because you don't know which are the rights to do the tuna with. But basically you have this of doing the pigeon with the other two that this says that you could do this pigeon can't be like rebi now who's rebi we had a mus before between rebi and whether or not is it the of the is imbuing the with their or is it later on by the so if it's the and the would be it wouldn't work for this because since according to it's the goes ahead and gives to these where are you doing the subsequent to remove the park if you're doing them outside of the can't because the terra said it was done which means that they're inside the until this point which means it would have if it leaves and if you're just going to leave the in the to do the pinion there that's a different problem even though you're not bringing into the azor but we think by virtue of the fact you're making now these that have kaducious dum into you are essentially bringing into the azar but this is only going to be not like where it's actually the of the makes the to have their kaducious according to our bless even after the none of the have kaducious only kadushim so at that point you can still take two out of the four do the tanufa and then do the for those that you just did the tanufa the other ones can now be taken out of the and just do a regular pia there's no so that wouldn't be a problem according to shimman really I'll tell you the price is going like rebi anyway did the pad inside the ba mdash but why isn't because he didn't bring it in as we can understand it's very different than bringing into the mdash to do a where it now becomes in the mdash but we have a different that says you don't do it inside you do it outside and says because of the problem you're right you're right That second Bryce is going like a bless because if it would be who holds that would make it then it would have so no problem from that because it's let's say there's a that we're about to say from the BCA that we had learned. What does say let's say a carbon which is supposed to have 40. Let's say this guy did it with 80. are. Okay. So, of those 80, 40 of them are we don't know which ones. You got to deal with that. There might still be the same braer issues, but lisa 40 of them are 40 are not nothing happens. There's no such thing as a carbon tit with 80. So, for the fact that you did 80, you just did it wrong and and none of them work. So, says none of them are going to work. The parallel case by us is this bry where you went ahead and you did theim against four kalas instead of the two kalas. And yet the BR says two of them are gonna beesh which the gar says didn't we learn about that everybody's asking if I speak out that 40 within the 80 should become and therefore even that 40 of them will be kadesh in that scenario. So the case of the four against your said that two of those of the four should be so the location name so what teach from this let's say you flip around the case instead of two animals against four loaves now it's four animals for so now think about it two of these different are going to have their shal because only two of them is what the terra mandated for is carbon. The other two are going to have to be destroyed. So what do you do? You're a different carbon or something like that. And that's what the Bris says. You remove two of them. The process is first you take two and you do. It's ironic. But the first thing you do is the incorrect ones and only afterwards you do the for the actual if you don't do it that way and you actually do the ones first, you're going to cause that second pair of to get a problem and beer to eat. And that's because of yesterday's daff about and then that we don't find any time there's gonna be a hat. And these animals were all and then afterwards is no good. So that would on this then you should go ahead and do on those first two animals. So why you doing that? So you can this way save the subsequent two. But says, "Are you allowed to tell somebody to do an a or do something wrong to do a in order to gain something from it?" Because here you're telling the person do a which is absolutely not the right thing to do because it's it is to go ahead and have a when you're doing the of a carbon, but you're doing it to save the other animals. Is that a proper thing to do? We learned in the which is a problem because you're supposed to eat you're not supposed to eat. So once you have this let them all and we look at that as if it's the actual fuel if it's the wood for the so you can burn it all the no you can leave it until it has until the next day where it changes it then you destroy it now why according to do you have to destroy these just go ahead put the on even though they're not supposed to be burned but do that quote unquote in order to have the mil not wasting the avar and not have to throw them out and burn them for no reason. take one for the team. Do the a do the wrong thing in order to save the carbon [laughter] to do one problematic thing for to save another will say but we're not going to say to do for one carbon to save a totally different kind of carbon but it sounds like you're saying that we would be for the same thing is that true says if you Or you do it the wrong day. Do the and eat the buser. And when we say do this, don't waste it. Make it into a regular good old fashioned shabas. But let's say it say shabas when you did it with the wrong at that point you can't save it. You can't do this on chabas because speak out. It's probably maka to do on chabas or maybe there's avia on the I think it's what the pherise says. Either way it's certainly ushered to do on chabas unless the terror says specifically you need to theor. So, but if you lice did this on chabas, it's going to work and you're allowed to eat the carbon as long as you go ahead and that night you take care of the amim but you have saved the carbon. Why don't we tell you to do this and that we would say to do in order to save another thing that'd be fine but that we wouldn't want to apply. Now this assumption that we're not going to say it the mission in the eth paric of trumis saysum these wine presses had an upper and a lower level. So let's say you have a of truma in the upper level and it breaks. So it's going down and you got to catch it on that lower vat. It's got to now is not a terrible thing. But if the wine of truma mixes with trum and mixes with the hoolan now you're making the truma. That's a total loss. You're going to lose all the you're going to lose all the truma. It's not going to have enough of one to 100 to be bottle and therefore it's going to be a complete loss. So in that case if you can go and save at least one ra of that trumah in it of then you have to save it even though it's going to let all the rest of it go into the lower reservoir totally ruining all the good precious but vimlav if I can't even save that raara thenra turning over to bay is let it go down and become and don't get involved catching it with a kay Because even though you would be salvaging your below with whatever you can catch with the you can't do it but no you can capture it with a and protect what's beneath it because you can saving all the that's kind of what the idea is here. So even though this is two different items, you are allowed to apply this principle for the shiny it's worse by the truma it's on its own. Even if I stand back and do nothing, it's going to completely be destroyed because it's going down into this. So therefore, you're not really doing anything wrong when you catch it with the because it's no worse than what would have happened if you did nothing at all. When came he taught let's say which is one of the Rashi says that's what we'll go with. It's a little simpler. We don't say that the is going to be kosher like the first Mishna says about all carbonus aside from the and the but is adding to the list is also going to be puzzle if it was and you have to wait for the and then you destroy it afterwards. There's an important rash entice here. I'm just going to mention it that even though something that is gets burned immediately if there's a like let's say the dam got spilled out before this you don't burn them immediately but you have to wait until uber turas and you wait until the lina so the question is over here if you have a there is a mus here between rashi and tyus whether or not that's called or not you think it definitely would be right the actual animal has a of the wrong makova when she did it but that does seem to be musing typhus important briskarov who makes the can take a look at on page 95 as well as the stifler also goes on this but it's apparently an important that hopefully I'll get to spend more time on understanding over about this idea about the going to be if you're being a carbon which is kind of how it looks like in the so you see the terra puts the two together so if you're learning that there's a heish of course is puzzle permission because just the and the I think I said not before but I meant and the pes are the two that if you do them will be puzzle because then it's like every other carbon that it may not be but it's not going to be puzzle meaning they're treated like a regular carbonim that those to have and you don't need. So the Bryce of Ley is going to be the Bryce of whether or not the is going to be possible when it's done. Let's ask on let's ask from this. Let's say a person to bring a carbon that's within its first year. He brought one that was within it second year. Those kinds of carbonas, those kinds of are supposed to be in its second year. When he did the beher, anything that's going to be is also going to be it's what we see from this. It's pathing that if it's an is brought when it's going to be kosher because it's too old. While the breer of Vietk would say it's not going to be kosher which the garamar has no problem with that because this tana is taky. So we already know that Ley is arguing with the Bryer from and learns that carbon are learned from rather than therefore there's no Tony Ley because Ley learned another Bryce knows meaning not that the animals were too young but that the bum had not yet reached the mat in which those carbonas could be brought for them like the Nuzer didn't do seven days of Tahara before the animals gashakin or by the matsra he hasn't done his seven days of tahara But either way or they were in their second year when he if you're telling me like said that the ty is the to the ligma let him learn the of the from the just like are going to be kosher in their second year. So to the ash we should be kosher which the gar says it's different animal it's a different carbon now if you're going to learn one kind of from another kind of so and what's that learner gaz which have the discrepancy of if they're in their second year but still should we learn to the other and we see we don't but it should come out that all asham should have the same whether they're in their first year or the second but the prices that ley he taught was certainly that the mater in their second year of ain't done. You can learn something that was done improperly from something that was done improperly, but you can't learn something that was done improperly from something that was done properly. Because even the sham that's done is only but you don't see that you can learn out from there to we're going to have to call it here and pick up a Sunday's daff next