Menachos Daf 104

All right, today's daf kufalid shab. This is daf and today we get to finish the perrick. But first we got to finish talking about these shirim because if you remember the gumari yesterday it said look this is how shirim work even if it's only a little bit more than the sheir meaning the 61st is over 60 it won't be bo it won't mix properly and now we're picking up seven lines from the bottom of kgim bay less rebi there was a donkey that seemed to have dropped dead in the house of rebiu and apparently it was bleeding so they were being mash was there a raas of dam that came out of this animal because if there was a revealed rebu this is all can be found in the eth paric that the dam of a dead carcass of an animal is it doesn't have a of they were once feeding these wild donkeys to the lions and the king's armies and the people who were being when they were going up to they were up to their knees in blood and they didn't seem to care and didn't care the fact that this was being mat them so clearly dam is not a problem for Thomas Na people are going up to bring carbonus they got to stay tar so to that was ishikar why didn't you respond what can I answered. He doesn't own the land that he grows his own on, but he has to buy new grain from the store. And therefore, the next shabas shabas. This is the guy who has to live paycheck to paycheck. He's very nervous and he can't be confident in his own who's relying on the baker because he doesn't have enough to have a stockpile. moving over Tomal vahra and then that person meaning referring to himself is relying on the baker meaning I myself I'm very far nomen with money I can't really concentrate and I cannot respond back to that they asked that's why I was so okay so what's the terret there is no for the for the household of the meaning's household like his own because the says There were six things that were the exceptions that was more than bas and amongst those things was more than basil. Even when Basil who was more was like he only made it at the veras since it's possible for the dam to congeal and become a solid mass and then you could be mashed as a kazayas. So who is saying that you should measure the reveals like basil who we paskin like that the dham of nea is mama andamiuda doesn't hold like the we quoted that there is no dam there is but because therefore they were mama in a verius when it comes to you've got your basic two different categories you have your that you have to bring as accompanying to existing carvanas or you can bring of how much do you bring for these while the tyra prescribes it. It'll be either three lugan, four lugan, six lugan corresponding to the different carbonas that the tyra says. But what happens if you want to bring your own? Can I just make up the amount? And the answer is a big resounding no. You can't make up your own amounts of lugan forim. So that's what the mission is going to talk about. Ain't you can't bring of single two lugan five lugan because there ain't no such thing. You could bringisha three, four or six because those are the ones the terra prescribes and therefore you're paralleling a proper amountish lama or more because once you bring more than six because now you can go ahead and make up the numbers that would comprise it. So let's say for example I want to bring seven lugan. So seven lugan could be now broken into two different amounts of four and three which actually are prescribed by the tyra and eight can be comprised of four and four and nine can be comprised of six and three. So that's why any number higher than six will actually be okay. Kevlim is there a fixed amount for the what does this mean? Meaning if somebody's makab to bring a nava of a certain amount of lugan does he have to bring that entire amount at one time or is it maybe not keva and he could break it up and bring the part that is speak it out going let's say he said I'm going to bring five as my so he can now separate four because four is a real amount of and that extra is brought as av and that can be done either by selling off that single lugg and using the money to go into the basic uh community chest over there could buy animals with it. can use for kits or that single lug will be held on to until you can add two more lugan to it and use it for the carbon tid which would require aim of three lugan but either way you can do something with that remainder let's say we're very strict and you have to have that fixed amount for your soal until you add that additional then you can't bring any of it maybe that's the other side so my what's the how strict are we going to be about these when they're not brought with the exact amount that you promised so so let's bring arrive from the Mishna in the sixth parag that shish and a dava where that mission had talked about the 13 different boxes that they set up in the of the mig to collect money. Seven of them were for different specific needs, but the remaining six were for people to put money in to be used for their carbonus of Nadava. The Amina and Kad me what were those six different pushkas for? And then Mishna lists Kiser Katus Meister Asham Nazer Meer Asham Mitsraer Kenaniser Menas and Rashi goes through to explain how you have extra money from any of these respective carbonas. Now vis if you're telling me that the amount of the nakim is not keva and therefore if you promise to bring five lugim and you only bring four the fifth one you take the extra money and you give it for the should be another pushka and we don't have that listed in the scholar says because the money that was in these six different pushkas were going for the which didn't happen all that often. So therefore you have to store the money because you need to be able to hold on to it since they don't happen that frequently but honey extra lugan that you have that happens all the time because because most carbonas actually need associated and therefore so you can put together one person's additional lugg with another person's additional lug and quickly come to the three lugan and bring it and therefore we don't need to create a whole designated pushka to hold on to that extra money. All right, let's try again. The Bris says Ezra everybody in Israel needs to do this that you cannot do a it doesn't have to be only accompanying existing the how much do you bring for those you can add more maybe I can even do less than the three lugan no it has to be like this which Rashi says is and therefore you have to do the three lugan so my what did that mean that that you can add to the existing Three Lugan are above you can add four or six. Well, that's push it. The whole point of the Lucans because the Tyra says they can be brought up with the Kev as one of the carbonas and above they have an existing precedent along those carbonas. You must mean that when we said you're being we're talking about the Kamisha five that means that four lugan are being brought out to the Nadava themselves. And what's the fifth one? It's going to be given to the Nadava of asham in Kev and it doesn't seem to be holding up the works. you can still bring your four lugan and the fifth one gets added to the pot and it's what are you talking about doesn't say so in our Mishna because our mission says the equating the two ideas that's just not going to work because there's no such existence of two because there's no such thing as fivean that are brought as it is keva to which the this nisha cuz the fact that two is not going to be working at all. It's not that the five also won't work. Maybe the five won't work as five, but take four and then add the fifth to theimmer. If you're telling me that there is no keva and you could add that to the then that's fine. But so until you eat the number 10, I know what the would be because every single combination of the numbers within the 10 I know what to do. But once you break the number 10, now you're up to 11. Turning over to me. Now I don't know what to do cuz my maybe the guy was to bring the amount corresponding to what's brought with the par which would be two sets of six and now he's one short of two sets of six and until you get that one more look maybe he shouldn't bring it maybe he wants to bring the amount of corresponding lugan that goes for and one is and therefore right away he's good with the 11 that he has and he doesn't have to add anymore the guy was Was he being two animals of one kind and one of another or not? What's not clear? Let's talk the last mission in the peric. We know you can already bring just wine by itself. But you cannot bring a carbon of just oil. No, you could that you can both bring the meaning the corresponding of that comes along with the kbonus and you could bring by itself. It comes along with the carbon of an animal and therefore also it's not true because you bring wine by itself. You never bring oil by itself. And then the mission ends off. This is something we've talked about in the past. You cannot bring a carbon of one is with a sounds a bit like if there were more than one is you could actually split it up amongst which is something theim deal with. But the rakkins that no matter how big a carbon is, it can never be divisible amongst that can be done with more than one owner. And when it comes to birds, it can always be brought by more than one person. Even if it's one little small bird, can also be brought by more than one person from both what do you learn that you can always bring even if it's not being accompanied by any carbon of an animal. I know that you can have no when the told us about the idea of a it only mentioned five different kinds of and therefore you can't just add on an additional one like the one comes and tells us no that's only when the person promised to bring in that case you have to bring for one of those five that the Tyra mentioned actually lists the five for us over here those you could bring when you just promise but if you say I want to bring a with wine and then no problem and according to it will also be with oil. Then the Mishna had said more than one person cannot bring a with their but they can do it with a bird. So my why can't you bring a carbon with a joint ownership which is and that can be brought with him. All right. Let's look for another mocker which is all can be brought as afra only excluded. We only use that expression there by by who would bring a carbon which is this which is this cheaper stuff because he doesn't have animals. So why is the so unique that it says these five different kinds of meaning there's there's five different ways to prepare essentially the same thing. You're frying with oil. His friend made for him a meal. But the king knows that the one who's making the meal is poor and can't really afford anything. So, he tells him, "Make for me the flower in five different ways prepared with the oil, even though they're all essentially the same. So, I should get from you." So, Hashem doing us a favor, allowing us to be able to serve him. And on Sunday, we get to start the last peric of this amazing mase.