Chullin Daf 93

All right, daf tzadi gimel. This is shabbos's daf, we're picking it up 15 lines from the bottom of tzadi beis beis omer of yitzchak bar shmuel bar marsa omer rav. Lo yasur tireh elah kanai kanais shibai. When the tireh asurs a ged anasha, it's only asuring the soft more edible parts of it, which are the little offshoots of the ged anasha, not the actual ged anasha itself, cuz that's hard like a piece of wood. But ulis says no, eitsu, it's takah inedible, but tireh chiyuv a lot. The tireh asured to eat that eits, if you will. That's gufu with the tireh asured. Omer kavasi d'ul mistabra. D'omer of sheishes omer of assi, chuten shibacheil of asurin bein chiyuvin aleihem. The chuten, the little offshoots from the cheilev, they're going to be these nerves and blood vessels, they're going to be asur, but you're not going to get kares, they're only going to be an issur d'rabbonan. Alma, cheilev omer rachmana, chuten. When the tireh says cheilev, it's only talking about the actual thing, and not those chuten. Achinaimi, also by the ged anasha, gid omer rachmana. Even if it's only an inedible eits b'alma, v'lo iknai kanais, and not those little offshoot things. Okay, so now for the rest of the daf today, we're going to talk all about cheilev. Gufa, omer of sheishes omer of assi, chuten shibacheil of asurin bein chiyuvin aleihem. You're not going to be chiyuv kares for eating cheilev when you're eating the chuten. It's only d'rabbonan. Shibakulyah, the chuten that are in the kidney, asurin bein chiyuvin aleihem. They're asur, but you're not going to get kares, cuz it's only d'rabbonan. Leiven kulyah, the white of the kidney, meaning the fat of that kidney. Rebbi v'Rebbi Chiya, there's a machlokes Rebbi v'Rebbi Chiya that chad asur v'chad shari. Rabba m'martei lei, Rabba would kind of scoop it out, and Rebbi Chiya also would be m'martei lei, but Rebbi Assi got im lei, he would scrape off the part that's on the surface of the kidney, but he would actually eat the part of that leiven, the inside the kidney. Omer Rebbi kavasi d'Rebbi Assi mistabra. D'omer Rebbi Yava omer Rebbi Huda omer Shmuel, moving over to mid alef, cheilev sh'al basar cheifa asui mutar. Any part of the cheilev that is covered by meat, that's not the cheilev we're talking about. That kind of thing would actually be mutar. The only kind of cheilev that's asur is when you take off the skin, you could see it that it's on top of the meat. Alma, sh'al hakasolim omer rachmana, only the cheilev that's on the flanks of basar, v'lo ish b'seicha kasolim. Achinaimi, so too also when it comes to the kulyais, sh'al hakulyais omer rachmana, v'lo ish b'seicha kulyais. Gufa, That part of the clay that's covered by [clears throat] meat, that's really inside the animal, that's going to be okay. That's motor. High tar beta two side mass near that the clay that's under the loins is also so if clay that's covered by meat is motor, why should this be also? The clay that's covered by that meat of the loins on Arabia behind me a rookie me Parker. Very interesting ideas like the buyer the wild animals alive since the animals moving and things are kind of in flux between the limbs and the organs and they separate so the fat that's covered by the loins at the time of its death while it's alive it's considered uncovered. So you're telling me it's covered it's not really covered cuz it's alive cuz it's considered by a rookie me Parker. I'm a baby and love you the love of the park I am neither a or the son of a when you hear but it was enlightened to me you know a lot of the hockey have a day in the Russia that this is what they would say in the behind the higher rookie me Parker. Same idea while the animals alive it's moving around so it's considered like what's covered up by the bus series really uncovered. I'm a baby who I'm a clay that I am so sorry for the clay that's on these two of the four stomachs the MC and the basic that's going to be also I am the real McCoy of course is that clay that's on the carrot that's the clay that's on the carrot that the tires talking about when the says what kind of clay that's this kind of clay. I'm a baby who I'm a baby who I'm a high tar beta to call me sister also on a score is this clay that's on the kill booster which is the little bone at the base of the vertebrae of the spine that's going to be also and it's going to be here if you eat it cuz that's the of the the only I am a baby who I am a baby who I am a who should be odd also in the blood vessels those who in the yard that's the four leg that's going to be also I am a zebra my share which is an expression of either or just an exclamation is a double I am a man take a picture did the tires say that you can't eat meat? I mean even if you take the dam out of this thing you're not allowed to eat them. They're regular meat not halal. I'm a rover. Rover says back to Safra. My share. Did the Torah say you're allowed to eat the dam? Meaning those blood vessels of that yard are not because the walls of the blood vessels were tuck absorbing all the dam and therefore that's why you can't eat it. But hot mouth here I feel like they're in a separate dummy. But if you tuck it cut it and salt it you do everything you're supposed to do to take the dam out then I can only you could even cook it in the pot. I'm a river who don't race me a bummer by a greyer. After the food goes through that fourth stomach it goes into the intestines. So before getting to the small intestine it goes through a long straight tube that the Gamora's calling the race may I am which is like the beginning of the intestine. So in that area of the race may I am you got to scrape it off and he's greyer to remove the desert shall I duck in and that's what's meant when we talk about the that's on the intestines. The armor of Yehuda who I guess the surin those who tend those little threads of blood vessels that are in the hip that branch out of the lower spinal column that goes towards those flanks they're also going to be a sir. Come to who they is by the calf law. There are five of the who tend in the flanks and they're divided two and three. Plus I mean the three are on the right side of the animal they taught they miss smaller and two are on the left. Till sir the fat little tray tray three on the right side branch into two each and tray me fat little till sir till sir and the two on the left side branch into three each. Then I can only why do I need to know this information? Do you show a flu who are the coming may miss tall faith and if one pulls out one of these who tend while they're still warm which is the way of saying right after the sheet of the animal they'll slide out with the branches you don't have to dig after them. But if you lay if you didn't do it while it was still warm meaning right after the sheet and then boy had to take the straw out now you have to actually go dig into these things to get all the little pieces of the who tend that are no longer soft. So of course now I need to know if I'm on the right side or from the left side how many who tend am I actually looking for hence that descriptive information about two and three etc. I'm a buyer who you tell me of Yehuda commission who they have either five groups of these who tend to less than me some tar but three of them are also Al Khailav. The Trei Mishum Dama, and the other two are also Al Dam. The Takhlei and the Kaflei and the Khulyosa Mishum Tarba, those Khuten of the spleen, the flanks, and the kidney are going to be Assur Al Khailav. The Yada and the Loya Mishum Dama, but the Khuten of the foreleg and the jaw are going to be Assur Al Dam. Now, L'maina Afqimina, that's Hana Mishum Dama, because the other ones are Assur Al Dam. Im Mekhatakh L'Mola, Shafir Dami, then if you tak a cut it properly and salt it, and therefore you're extracting a lot of Dam, it's going to be Mutar. You're allowed to eat it. But Hana L'asli Takanta, but the other ones, the earlier ones that are Assur Al Khailav, there's nothing you can do about it. They cannot be fixed. Amar Rav Kahana b'Teima Rav Yehuda, Khamisha Karmei Havayah, there are five Assur Dika Karmei membranes. Tlosa Mishum Tarba, three of them are also Al Khailav. The Trei Mishum Dama, and two are also Al Dam. The Takhlei, the Kaflei, and the Khulyosa Mishum Tarba, the spleen, flanks, and kidneys are Assur Al Khailav. The Bayei, which is the Zakhros of the animal, and the Marka, Mishum Dama, and the brain will be Assur Al Dam. Rav Yehuda Bar Ashi Havah K'Kholaf Lei Talcha L'Levi, Breidera Rav Huna Bar Khaiya. So, Rav Yehuda Bar Ashi was one time peeling the membrane of a spleen for Levi, which was Breidera Rav Huna Bar Khaiya, because who doesn't want to have a spleen for lunch? And Havah K'Gali Aslei M'Eilai, and he was like leveling off the spleen by taking the membrane only from the top part, but not from the lower area. Amar Lei Zakh Levi Taim, "Khus B'Tvei, you got to dig deeper into that thing, into the lower area, because that lower area is also going to be Assur because of the attached Khailav." So, also Rav Huna Ashkakhay, Rav Huna Bar Khaiya came, so Levi's father, Rav Huna Bar Khaiya came and found him telling Rav Yehuda Bar Ashi to take away the whole membrane. Amar Lei and said to the son, "Akhyami V'Udi Makh Mishum D'Rav, that this is what your father's mother said b'Sheim Rav." U'Manu and Prakhta Gamara, who is Levi's maternal grandfather who Taka was quoting Rav? That's Rav Yirmiya Bar Abba. But anyway, what did he say? "Lei Assur Teira Ela Al B'Dad Bilvad." The only time the Teira Assur that area of the spleen's membrane which was over the Dad. The Dad was some kind of nipple-like connector inside the Kishkes of the animal. But you see, you don't have to take away that whole membrane from the lower part of the spleen. Ai, any is that true? The Omar bar Hamnuna, Tanna, the braisa learned, krumsha al treil is ossur. That membrane that's on the spleen is ossur. Vein chiyuv al lov b'chinuch kares for eating it. It's a now chiyuv d'oraita. What's the braisa talking about? E l'mish al hadad, that's the area that we were just talking about. I'll say am I in chiyuv al lov b'chinuch kares? Rav said that this thing is ossur mid'oraita and should be chiyuv kares. Ella, the kulya, must be talking about the membrane of the entire spleen besides that dad. And it's teaching us that even this part of that membrane is going to be ossur mid'erabbanan. Amar lei, Rav Huna bar Chiya says to his son Levi, "Uk itanya tanya." I stand corrected. If that's the way it is, okay, then I'm asking. Goofa, let's get the more expansive version of that member from Rav Hamnuna. Amar Rav Hamnuna, Tanna, we learned in the braisa, krumsha al treil is ossur. The membrane that's on the spleen is ossur. Vein chiyuv al lov b'chinuch kares. Krumsha al gabei kulya is ossur. The membrane that's on the kidney is ossur. Vein chiyuv al lov and you're not chiyuv kares for eating it. Now the braisa tanya, I the braisa says al gabei each one of these things chiyuv and all of you are chiyuv kares. Tarei it says, treila treila kasha, how can you get a dad? By the second braisa that you're going to be chiyuv kares for eating it, it's talking about the part of the membrane that is opposite the dad. Oh, d'lo k'negad a dad, but where as the first braisa that you're not chiyuv kares, it's talking about where it's not connected to dad. Kulya kulya namlei kasha, why? Ho b'eilu, where the second braisa says that you are going to be chiyuv kares for eating it, it's talking about the upper area. Ho b'satu ah, where the first braisa says you're not chiyuv kares, it's talking about that lower membrane. Fighter. B A chashiosa, the B A zachrus, mean the betzim of the animal, they are detached but they're still inside the skin of the animal. So, they're detached but they're still locally there. It's kind of like that aver mudal d'al us that we had in the last sugias over there by ailu treifus. Rav Ami verav Assi, this is a machlokes Rav Ami and Rav Assi. Chad ossur, they're going to be ossur because they're considered aver min hachai despite the fact that they're still in the animal but they're disconnected internally, so therefore considered aver min hachai. V'chad shari, manda ossur turning over to my base mid'loi k'baryan, since they don't regenerate and heal, so they're not really connected to the animal, therefore honey aver min hachai ninu, therefore now they're going to be aver min hachai cuz they're disconnected. Omanda shari, and what's the rationale to say it's not aver menachai? Me de loiko masrachan from the fact that they haven't decayed in that matzev, they're not like disconnected boser. So how do you use this? Well, they're still getting chiyus from the animal and therefore they're not ever menachai. Now if you either if you hold that they are considered ever menachai, hide de loiko masrachan, this that they don't decompose, de loiko sholt be hu avira, it's not because they still considered connected to the body of the animal, it's because they're not exposed to the elements outside. The either and the bar pluto who holds that they're not considered detached is going to say, hide de levarian, this that they don't heal and regenerate is because kishishu so who did not get low it's only because they are kochish, they are weak, but they are still drawing life from the makor of the animal and therefore even though they are getting some sort of life from their source, since they can't regenerate and heal, they will not be considered part of the animal. Amaleira Biyechana and Lurev Shimon bar Rava, hani beye kashilosa sharian, these baytim that are mainly disconnected but are still inside the animal are muter le halacha, but at le tegel, but don't eat them. Mishum val tito teresimacha, because you go bust with the meaning of where you're from and therefore they wouldn't eat them, so you shouldn't eat them either. Omar Mar bar Rava Ashi, hani beye de gadya, let's talk about the baytim of this gadya, it's a kosher animal. Ad tlas in yamin sharian buli klifa, until Ar Chad Gadya here is 30 days old, you're allowed to eat them without taking off any of the klipa of the membrane. Me kam ve elach, e azran asuran, if they've developed zara inside of them, they're going to be osser until you can peel off the membrane, because it's a siman that the dam is going to be functional and therefore you have to worry about the dam. Ve eloy azran sharian, but if they haven't developed zara, then they're muter even without taking off this klipa. We know you have to know how can you tell whether or not these baytim have the zara in them. If the Gemara is bushriki sumki asuran, if they have these red streaks, they're going to be osser because then you see the blood vessels. Less bushriki sumki sharian, and you may remember this expression of shuki sumki they about these red streaks. We had it in Maseches Brachos and Maseches Avodah Zarah by, I forgot who the amera was, who wanted to curse a certain men, they wanted to find that moment of anger when Hashem had anger and he would look at the chicken and when he sees the top part of it has the shuki sumki, has the little red spots because of the blood vessels, then he knew that was the moment of anger for Hashem. Okay, umtze, piece of raw meat that has red discolorations because of ruptured blood vessels, or bayah, that's the base of the animal. Who mizrakeh in the blood vessels of the neck. On these things, pleigi bar of Achai ver Ravina. Now, bechol detera kulah, whenever these Amoraim would have a machlokes, and we didn't know who said what, we would say Ravina le kulah ver Achai le chumra. The halacha is like Ravina le kulah. Le bar me hanislas, except for these three things we just mentioned, that Ravacha le kulah ver Ravina is le chumra. The halacha is like Ravacha le kulah, that we go basar, the more kulah dikah halacha. Now, let's go through these things. Um, say, the ashmik, a piece of raw meat that turned red because of all the ruptured blood vessels. Chotcho u malcho, if you look there on the mishafed ami. If you cut it and salt it, then you can even put it in the pot and cook it and have supper with it. Talyanami bishvudah, doyev dama. Also, if you roast it on a spit, it's going to be mutar, cuz the blood comes out during the roasting. Agmurei, but if you roast it on hot coals, pleigi bar of Achai ver Ravina. Chad amar, mishav she'ivi leis. One of them says that the heat will draw the dam out, and therefore that'll be mutar the meat. The Chad amar, mitzmas tzamtzalei. The heat makes the meat shrivel up, it retains the dam that's stuck inside, and therefore it'll be assur. The chein, bay, and the same thing applies to the base of the animal. The chein, mizrakein, and also the same thing applies to the blood vessels in its neck. Reishay be kivsha. Let's say you have a head that's buried in the kivsha, which Rashi learns is the hot ashes that would singe off the hair of the animal. So, okay, so this head of the animal is inside these hot ashes. Oisvei abeis ashchita. If you put it on the place of its shchita, meaning you put the ashes in an upright position with the severed neck on the bottom. Doyev dama vishari. So, the dam goes right up through the open neck, and therefore the head is going to be mutar to eat. Ats dadan, but let's say the head is now on its side, then it's a problem cuz mikpa kafei ve'asur. The blood is going to congeal inside the skull since it can't escape from the opening, and therefore it's going to be assur alts dam. Oisvei anachirei. If you put the head on its nostrils, like face down, then datsbei me dishari. If you stuck something into the nostrils to hold it open and allow the blood to go out, then the head will be mutar. Ve'ilai also, if you don't stick anything in the nose, it's going to be assur. Orech de'amri anachiro abeis ashchita doyev. If you put the head on its nostrils or on the place of its shchita, then the dam will be able to get out and therefore it's going to be mutar, but I still don't know if it's on its side. Then he doubts by me the shaar if you stuck something into the skull to puncture it, then the head will be mutar because the blood will go out through the puncture. Below, it'll be assur and it'll be no good. Amar Rav Yehuda Amar Shmuel, shnei gidin hein der two gida nashim that go through the thigh. Ha'pnimiyus samuch l'atzam, the inner one is close to the bone is assur v'chayav alav. That's the one you get malkus for eating. That's the real McCoy of the gida nasha. But chitzon samuch l'basar, the outer one which is closer to the basar, assur v'ein chayav alav. It's also made by Rabbanan to eat it and therefore you're not going to get malkus. I have a Tanya the brayta says pnimiyus samuch l'basar, the inner one which is close to the basar is assur and you're going to get malkus. Amar Rav Nachman Amar Rav Kahana, ikludei miklid. When the brayta is talking about the inner one that's close to the basar, that's because after passing over the thigh bone, it sticks itself into the basar like a key. So as Rashi explains, when the brayta says that inner one, it's not talking about the one that's located inner one, it's talking about why it's called the inner one because even though it initially is on top of the basar, but at some point it will go down like a key that gets inserted into a keyhole. I have a Tanya the brayta says chitzon na samuch l'atzam, the one that's close to the bone is going to be assur and you're not going to get malkus for eating it. It's also made by Rabbanan. Amar Rav Yehuda, heicha d'parei topchei. The brayta is talking about the outer one that's close to the etzem at the point when the shochet is uncovering it because he separates the thigh from the hip. Itmar, tabach she'nimtza cheilev v'achav. Let's say you have a shochet that you found cheilev by him. So he did the wrong thing because it's the achrayus of the shochet to get rid of the cheilev before selling it to the public. Now we trust these shochtim, but let's say now you find that he had cheilev. So Rav Yehuda Amar, b'chisa oira, he's going to be punished even if it was just the size of a se'ora of cheilev. And Rav Nachman Amar, b'chisa ayis, if it was a kazayis. Amar Papa v'Amar Rav Pappa, kan Amar Rav Kaiso, Amar Rav Nachman said it has to be a kazayis because he's talking about the shochet getting malkus. But kan Amar Rav Nachman, where did Rav Yehuda say that it's going to be a se'ora? He was talking about just firing him from his job. Even the smallest shiur would be a firable offense. Amar Rav Zutra, k'se'ora b'makom echad. When we talk about the se'ora, we're talking about what's on one location. B'chisa ayis af ilu b'shnayim u'v'shlosha makomos, that can be mistaref together to be a problem. The hilchasa l'halacha k'Rav Kaiso. Is because in the mission said do not trust removing the that's what said they are later on they change their opinion and said that the are to remove the you think things got better like all of a sudden now that catches that didn't exist before and what do you mean we know the opposite is not not that people get more trustworthy and the Gamora me taking the means you got to take even the parts that are very deeply embedded in the thigh so the weren't trusted because that was really hard to do all the since the only have to take away the easier smaller more accessible part of the which is much easier now you can trust the to do it properly you can earn and all of it the say that the trusted to take away the and the and later on they said that the are not going to be trusted that the are not going to be trusted but today we do trust the are what things got better in the generations now it's easier to remove the and therefore they trusted them but it's harder to remove the so have the who the as long as the remember the way they used to do it which was based on they were not going to be allowed to go like the over of mayor but the now that they forgotten already and they're no longer holding on to that muscle memory of what used to happen like she does and they're only going like now we can be my men them and the mission finally ends the argue with the and said that they are trusted they so we were talking about so why why are talking about so this is the Mishnah and so it means also talking about and after so really we're talking about the whole time. All right, we're going to pick it up with the Mishnah number for Sunday stuff.