Chullin Daf 82

All right. Do pay bays Tuesdays do. Yesterday we were talking about that and therefore you won't be for the list in our Mishna of all these things that are not considered a proper. Now we're picking up three lines from the bottom of pay. One of the things in the list was a paras. That's a paraded to get the a for par that's included in the list of that you won't be forcing. That won't be a case of practicing. I'll show you that a paradum could potentially be and be to eat the meat because the Bryce says even though you're not allowed to eat the paradum after because it's heish still has a of because it has its owner means it's possible moving over to where is that because maradum could be nifty. named even after it was when it comes to be put on the misbeh which is a reference to the that where it's possible for this paradum that you to be nift what's the example let's say the paraduma and then lo and behold holy cow quite literally I find a better paraduma so now what do you do with the one that you already pit and you could serve it for dinner so it is possible for it to have this it has it should be so why is listing it as doesn't make sense to be in the list which is mask that Omar you're right takes it out of the Mishna could be according to it's not an authoritative Mishna could be their is actually arguing with the Mishna because he holds this so it might mean that idea of arguing with that they can't or they wouldn't writes that they wouldn't but they could but over here felt compelled to do so another example in the list is chopping off the head of the egg roofish. Let's say you find this murderer. That's the whole reason you bring the egglar because you didn't have the murderer. But now say you find him until they decapitated the just release it. What do you see that before you do the egg is mutter and therefore if you would be so why would the mission listed amongst the things that are also don't count that one time heard about that about that line that you can't cross that the egg will become but I forgot what that is I know it becomes but at what point does it become and all my told read when it goes down to that's when it becomes said there was a steer between the he should have said so why have to say that it's we learned this and not but the not so happy with that either because puppy and as we know when the has his one of the birds goes out free and one of them is killed the one that is becomes at its time of when you take both birds become when you take the birds because so just like when you go down to So too did become even when they're alive. So what do you see that according to the becomes so the becomes when it goes down to the and therefore it's always so since you have that why wouldish now say that it's a butish hold that there is an option for the to be once it goes down to the sun and therefore that's why it's a can be in our Mishna The next let's say two people bought an and now the question is who gets to who doesn't? So it's basically first come first serve but the second one bought the animal first and already he's already not talking about the we're really talking about the it's more of a which guy gets first we learned he's considered like a zor and he's niskar and he prophets or does he prophet meaning he gets to eat the meat and whereas zoro visura and niskar that he gets to eat that meat. And this is where the bahag gets the from that if you do you're not allowed to eat it that day. It's like a shabas you know you're not allowed to eat it that day. That's why we're saying here you're allowed to eat the meat the ra doesn't hold that way holds you're going to get malus but you're still allowed to eat the meat doesn't the flesh but this is an important line of the gur for that let's say the cow and then both of it on the same day. So now you've done two of even though there's only one mother you're gonna get two sets of let's say two little and then the mother because now you've only done one because there's technically only one let's say the cow its daughter and its an on the same day. So you've done two generations of cows and there's two therefore let's say I shuck the mother and then the anle and then I shuck the middle generation the daughter afterwards then because again there's only one but has this fascinating that says that with this one myita you'll be over for both the mother and for the anicle and therefore you're going to get two sets of mouth and we're going to talk more about the gamar now but it's very possible that sumas is arguing on the ratio of the Mishna also so now the garamar wants to know why are you going to get malus if you first the children and then you sh the mother why do you get malus it's not the other way around it's not the children then the mother to which the answer is no it's not true because the says in that direction let's say you go up a generation after you the child when the says don't it sounds like there are multiple cases that you would want to What's that case talking about the last two cases of so you see that if you a parent and its offspring on the same day it'll be irrespective of what direction and which one got first turning over what do you mean you're learning from hum I needed to tell me the how do you make a drawer from that and for the gam because I can make an extra dasha my what's the lion of must tell you the if you the mother and its offspring or the offering and the mother both are going to be it doesn't matter what order you do them in I still need the robin for a different but let's say two different people might be putter maybe it's only for the same guy to the mother and child animal so that even two different people who have no sh to each other but they each bought the mother and offspring animal they'll be and for the how is it not used up for that because that they should not be that the going on the animals which sounds like you should not which sounds like we're talking about themselves that we're talking about both also for two different people and also it tells you that it doesn't matter the direction mother child or child mother then the Mishnet said that if you the grandmother animal and then the anacle animal and then you sh the bas you're only going to get one set of malcus but you're going to get 80 malcus of my time why does hold you get two sets of malcus is it because that this is a that if you do an twice in one you're going to be two carbonas and therefore when the guy the bas for the mama and for the anacle because you're doing to a ver with one misa and you can tell me sumita anywhere in chass and as rash explains it would have been a bigger to say it where it's not because over here there's more of a reason to give multiple machus because of the goof to say that you're only hold maybe this is not a saying in says because of the fact that it's two different animals that's why holds uniquely here you're going to be two sets of malus to which says back says back to really sus holds it's a cool if you eat two of one you're two carbonus and ma how do I know that that's what holds because kim like if someone plants kim twice you're going to Malus what does it mean he gets obviously you get malus that Bryce is not telling us anything then what's the double lionus it must be that the B is telling us that you get two sets of malus so now how do you get two sets of malcus if it's two completely independent so we already learned this in that sitting at the bar all day and drinking wine non-stop he's only one set of malus even though he's doing it multiple times he only got one but let's say he gets a and then he continues to drink and then each malus is separated by an independent so that's also not going to be we're talking about where he planted two sets of with one in that case the B is saying you get two sets of but who's that going like if you tell me it's who argue with certainly when are going to Even you're only going to get one malus for the must be that price it must be that says that if you do multiple a not only when it's like the case of our but even when they're not you will be really that can be by the really two different kinds of because there's two different kinds of when you're planting or inside the vineyard. The only time you really is when you plant wheat, barley and grapes all at the same time. So the Bryce is telling us if you plant wheat and the grapes together or the grapes together, you're going to be from Malcus for kim in the clayum. Tosh mouse try to bring another riot that sum holds that if you do multiple ais in one helm or with one you're gonna be each time because the mission is going to say later on if you eat and this mission is talking about ganosha if you eat a kaz of the ganosha on one side and you eat another kazayas on the left side of the ganosha you're going to get two sets of malcus you're only going to get one set of malcus what's the case talking about if you're telling me that he ate one of these after eating from the other one and each was that he shouldn't eat the other. So my time what's that even once it's because as the gumar is going to say later on might be which of the ganoshas is going to be on the right or the left side of the animal and which one's only and therefore the master can't say vi that if he eats this he's going to get malus even though he ate both of them one after the other but lisa each independent is a sophic we learned inab Let's say you have a case of a kid that who his father is and we've got these two men and he's and he hits both of them one after the other. So he does a on both of them in all those cases because he certainly was over the but because each one of the is a suffic. So that was a digression but it just establishes that a suffic. So getting back to our ganosha must be the mission is talking about where you ate both of these ganoshas together with one set of for both and that's the case a single set of malcus but the hold you get two sets of malus so well that's not going to work because as we just said beforehand when it's not it's less of a reason to get more than one it must be that if you do mult multiple every single time you're going to get a separate case of Malus even though it's not which the says lightly and it could be that time of that mission is another version of and that's why you're going to be for each and we're going to continue talking about this more tomorrow but we'll stop here for