Chullin Daf 81

All right, Dav pay alf. This is Monday's daf and we ended off yesterday talking about the fact that the Mishna doesn't include the malus from once we have an iss of so I have to hold off from shifting this today. So bying it now besides the there should also be a love of soar had said it's a love of it's not directly related we didn't discuss it yesterday but but typhus does because and that gets into the definition of we're picking it up from the very bottom of moving over the took it away from to make it an which sounds that the gar is saying that the Torah made this really as a support for the essay because my time in you should only bring the carbon from the eighth day but before that you shouldn't do it. So and this is an example of how the Torah really wants you to do a mitzvah of bringing it in the right timel and that's what we mean by manic the but not that it's a classic lav that you would get malikus for. But Rashi doesn't stress this so much. Rashi makes it sound like it's a real genuine is bothered by Rashi because this isn't like the kind of a here it's just a choice. What do you do? Whenever comes up, Raer loves to mention from the asks aasha that you know there's an answer to. It's just a fun kasha to ask that why isn't every a really a lava? You should never get malus because every time you do a lav you can always do chuva. This can be found in the st and page 301 and themed brings a bunch of different tarot because chuva is not something that's mdin and he brings other ideas but the fun terret is the one that's the karifus which is that the reason why lavan does not get malus is because it's not it's not similar to the love of musling your animal but if doing chuva for any lav would be manate the lava even would have that mile of potential chuva um now becomes dima And therefore you'd never have the malus in the first place kind of a good but anyway we need it for something else according to made that when this animal's born it should be by its mother for seven days but on that night going into the eighth day it's for a carbon but later in that same p it says on the eighth day it's mut which sounds like so said how do you reconcile that preceding night of day eight which sounds like this. So the terret is afteriki that lia you can be mishit by night but yaw but you can only bring it on the misbeh by day. Tyus is bothered by why do I need a pussk for this? You can never bring carbonus at night. So Tyus suggests that if you mistakenly brought it on the misb you're allowed to leave it there and this dash is coming to actually tell us that even you have to take it off. There's an important stipler about this in but anyway argamar's kash is that this puss is being used. So how can use this to say that this is like a essay and has a essay and therefore you wouldn't get the malus which my answer is. So since Raiki can use this to learn his previous one is available for that we discussed yesterday that it's never because we said yesterday that until you have that busters. So you haven't done it's not and therefore you can never be the shiny the second is going to y about any carbon that is later on say there's still going to be a love of because that's not classic if it's not going to courage for it's not going to even have the lavalon and we asked about this Bryce that say did really say that when they're both the second one is only going to be alive and not curis according to shim that it's the first one's just being killed without a so and therefore the second one is really roy to be brought on and therefore it's not just a love it should also and to that had said and some said it was kad This is what the Bryson meant to say that there are three different that are that where both parent and child animal are both and that according to the raon and shen is ple and therefore the is going to be from the because we explained according to the raon the raon consider that second one temporarily not from because of the is And therefore your potter for the but holds that the not even doing a and therefore the second animal is really still to aim. So the second case where the first one was brought by and the second one was brought by that according to lar pleter and of course you're still and the third case where one of the was brought like you're supposed to and then one was like you're supposed to do sheny from the of the even though you're shiny the Second of like you're suggesting why is the second to no more? Because if the kachum is not roy since you're not let until this first animal is not even and the second animal is still to be brought that day and therefore you should be for doing according to mystery. And therefore when you come to do the at that moment it's still for that and only after you do the then it will become possible to be the Isra the whole suffic issue and the way Rashi is gyus the gamarra this is really just saying that according to it is a ruya as the garam suggested yesterday because after the zika that's what makes it roy so It's called back to the if an animal's and its offspring is going to be a carbon and they're both on the same day is if first was then the malus according to because of this suffic then you're going to be malus even according to because lisa once that z of the schlam is done is a proper and since the second animal and doesn't need to have zer itself makes it mut to eat and therefore it's a let's say an animal's and its offspring is a carbon and they're both on the same day that's you don't even tell me that if one and then that he's going to be put from malus according to turning over even if first was and then you did this and then you regular you'd still be putter from malus according Because an oil is different than why because that first is not a that makes it right to eat since you never eat an but that is called my so this double tells us and therefore you see that's considered And therefore you'll be a let's say after a regular you find it to be aisle all these things are going to be to this is the holds because you will not be because according to it does let's say the gets me up and it becomes a noa or you do something else that's not considered the fact that we stressed that it's because there still is other etc when the animal that's when the first one is done for and the second one is done for yourself let's say you're shingling the first one for yourself is then your You just did a visor and therefore you're not going to get malus. Come on. Even the know that there's no telling me there's an idea of hell. You want to tell me how's that going? Let's say you're about to sh that second animal and they give him a so they never gave him the possibility for the of the you're still going to get for but since if they would have given him the for you would be because of the even if you don't actually give the you will still be also both meaning when you don't get the actual because you didn't get and something else which should give you another I need to have this repeat because you're only going to tell me where there were two inim of Misa and Malus I would have said there's aim but the other case where it's so that you even have the moment and this is where we're going to call it we'll pick it up with a paratas for tomorrow's Dav