Chullin Daf 70

All right. Today is Dy Thursday's daf. We're going to pick it up at the Mishna Mishna. That's a behemoth that's giving birth to its firstborn which anytime an animal gives birth to its first male offspring. It achieves its kaducious at the lea. So that who's having a difficult labor as the animal that's coming out in distress, you can cut off each aver of that uber as it comes out and it won't have kadusha. So you're allowed to now throw it to the kov because until r of the uber or its head came out of the mother, it's not considered yol and therefore it doesn't have that kaduca yet. However, once yats rub and then you cut it apart, well then it already had the kaduca. So therefore, har yakov. But the mission ends off by saying even if terrace even in a situation where the first animal wasn't technically a bar still the for the next one cuz it's not going to be the firstborn animal from that motherish let's say aish a third of this bkar came out from the mother. Now the bum of this animal sold it to a guy because the is that only an animal that's owned completely by a yid has kaducious bakar but even if it's only partially owned by a guy it's not going to have kaducious bkar and it's going to be like hulen. So let's say in the process of when some of it came out and that only represents a mi of the and now the bum went ahead and sold out to a guy and then it goes back in the and then another came out. So by the time you're done adding up these different mutum you might now have arrived and now let's explain that there is why that even though it doesn't happen in real time but in understanding the kaduca is that the first moment of as it's coming out is significant moment and therefore even though it will only achieve the kaduca when revive comes out but you're going back to that initial moment enough rub and since now reve has ultimately come out even from that first moment there was and therefore the didn't happen because it wasn't his to sell since it had it only happens since that first third if you will was sold to the guy it never achieves any they both are litum Let's say the first third comes out which doesn't achieve and the second two/3s comes out the more natural way whatever the muses of the case but only the latter would give it. So nowadesh and let's see how it lines up because as we said we look back to that first moment and we say that was from that point. So ironically come to since we're going to back from that first moment that first moment has to be part of the of it coming out and it wasn't because that first mi came out and only the came out derk and therefore we don't have the derm and therefore it will not bear but because and since now on the timeline has come out there's a regular kaducious now it seems like a little bit of a but it really is saying the same. So why do I need both? It's because if I only knew the first case I would have said came out as a cool that would potra but in this latter case where going would end up being maybe Rahuna wouldn't be so insistent upon his he would actually hold like moving over to Alf. only had the second case of Derek and Dera that's where Rabba said ends up with a but in the earlier case when going would end up with a delay and therefore it's the top TISS deals with the issue of being because over here we're talking about being giving it to the if there is there should be problems being tis and the other do deal with the I'm aware that there's the brisk on this but I didn't get it clear enough to be able to say over but just making you aware that it exists exists because I'm here for you guys. Okay. So now let's try to fit into our you cover me by what's the you told me it's so they should all have which answers you're cutting it off and giving it to the as you're going. So you're right if you would cut off all these different pieces and have a pile of and now came out they become and they would need to be but raun would read the mission that we're talking about where you were as you went based on what we're saying if you cut them and make a pile of these things what would be you cover why does the mission have to now introduce another case of if came out then it has to be lift as The Gomorrah often does don't introduce another case just make a in the original case that we should say however should be so the Garra says no problem that's what the really means if you cut them out in peace meal and you start making a big pile of these things you will have to be because they now retroactively have of course inasuna and now for the rest of the om we're going to have a series of Shil this will be like for the rest of the day and this will kind of wet our appetite for the follows the when it comes to now it's an unclear question. Thear says what's your sh about if you want to tell me that of an a let's see the behem has come out you don't have yet and there's no but now you have another a that comes out but within that a it's only now been a portion of that a it's only mute of that respective a and vcom now you want to say maybe the shila's mute droy since a mute of that a is outside a do we look at the aver as an independent thing and therefore you don't have of a birth and therefore there is no kaducious or maybe that little mut of this last a is now going to be put together with the whole uber in which case there would be ra of the uber that came out if that's what you want to say what's meant by raim that can't be because treat you'd only look at it in the totality of the uber and you wouldn't look at it as reaver most of this a doesn't make sense so what do we mean by Let's say I've got an animal that half exactly came out, but it's only half because of the of one particular is going to be that that's still inside. And I now that sue to the ra of the a now creating a totality of ra of alle giving it a status of being born and therefore this kadushkar or not in which now we're going to try to forever from our mishna rubber if of this ubra came out it has kadusha and therefore it has to be buried so my rub if you think that the mish is talking about where the of the entire ubra came out in one complete piece well then ruba what will be the kdish you got to tell me the idea of ruba the been talking about ruble etc. We know there's a mus of rubula that the tunnel wouldn't have to teach me this must be we're talking about this kind of a mud case where exactly half came out but you achieve that with the of one particular a and we say that's telling us that we even the mia that's still inside to give it a kaducious which the garra says you don't have arrived from our mishna like a rub of a we're talking about where of the actual uber came out but it was only a miat of a certain ash malan delev Aver that we don't look away from the from the totality of the uber of the whole animal and go buster the ra of that particular aver that's what we don't say now even though the garamar earlier had said that that was pusha and it wouldn't have been a shila but the tyis rush just acknowledges that and says it's the d of the gara sometimes to go with it even though originally we had said it was more shus let's say as the uber is coming out it's wrapped up in some kind of material a natural material what would be the and therefore will not have kaducious bakar on the way out or not. or bitalis mahu let's say it's not in something that was natural but like a tal is a piece of cloth that someone stuck in around the Uber before it came out or let's say it came out inside the inside that amniotic sack what would be that's how it always comes out no it's not its own it's a different would that create some kind of to prevent it from getting another shila let's say the midwife lady uses her hands and pulls the Uber out of the ram what's the is that kind of process going to create a kita that won't be kaducious so I just typed that like rashi but ty doesn't like it because why are we saying that there's a woman there a roya would do this not a midwife so he learns another we're talking about twins it's another animal and that's the na that wouldn't get kushar and that's what might create the wants to clarify this particular shen if the uber came out head first and you wrapped up the rest of the animal pat so at this point there's a tour on the rehem That Uber already now has Kushkar just by virtue of the fact that its head came out must be we're talking about where the Uber came out feet first and that's going to be our sh actually these kinds of shs have practical nafkamas even bisman if there would be a child birth that would be done with forceps that might create a kita there are some pants say that you wouldn't do the pion with a braha could be that the forceps today don't go in so far and therefore there's not so much of a kata but there are practical applications for kaducious man Next shil the mahu let's say a the weasel consumed the fetus while it was inside the mother animal then came out of the mother animal and then was might see it and vomited or spit out the uber or as we like to say pop goes the weasel what would be the was that uber will it have kaducious the took the uber out of the mother so then so the uber was now enveloped by the kula so really it's the same shal as we had beforehand where it didn't touch the walls of the birth canal same kind of shila Ella. This is the Shila. So the swallowed the Uber, took it out of the and then went back into the spit out the Uber via and then the Uber had a normal birth. It's been a long day for mom, but the Uber now has come out of the ram quote unquote naturally. So mahu on one hand it came out with a natural birth. On the other hand, there was already there was kind of a sort of birth as it came out through the orn. Let's say two different of two different animals were stuck to each other. So it had a birth but it kind of went into another but maybe maybe the uber can be considered a pet even the of not its own mother. So it would be from the ber and to these shilas are all going to be let's say were so wide that the uber didn't have to touch the walls of the on its way out. Is it the airspace or the actual to the walls of the base? Let's say those walls of the birth canal were detached. If they're not there, obviously it can't become hegish. No, they're still there. They're just not really connected in the body anymore. So in that location is where the kadusha happens. But mach even if they're not in their proper place still, they're there and therefore it can imbue the kaducious as it goes through. Rebia mayigma. Let's say the walls of the birth canal were peeled. So that ngia now is not in its natural ways back. We already had such a shila part. Borrowing a lotion from the Hilas Aravan part of the wall was peeled away but theade the regular wall is laurates but the Uber came out at the location of where it was peeled away or parts. What's going to be the in either of those cases had the sh which the says no at least there is an existence of the of the walled area of the inside of this. But if the entirety was peeled away, there was never a shila and therefore this is an original question. We won't necessarily know the turning overn. Let's say a fetus dies inside the mother. Now the sticks his hand into the mother animal and touches this dead fetus. The sh is will there be no I don't care the animal's kosher or not a kosher animal to there is noisa according to this tanakama. If it's a tummy animal then the roya will be tame. It makes this interesting between the kinds of animal it is. Whether or not there'll be this tumala um whether or not there'll be this tum inside of an animal. My time what is the mucker from the tanakama that there is no tum for a dead uber. If you the mother it's m the uber. See if it can be m and uber to eat. Can't that mother also achieve the same thing but keeping it from being while the mother's still alive? Well, that'll all make sense about the about the mother's but that wouldn't help me for that there is no different if the says if an animal dies and then the Tyra says that you can eat at zoo. So the same puss talking about both behemoth and Tyra sayar is tar. Okay. So that's the tanakama. Now for my time say that the dead uber inside the of the mother of a tummy animal will be and have I'm going to only be which is a reference to the animals that walk on their on their feet on their paws while they're alive those are the ones that and since this is from that beginning of all animals even the not kusher animals that are capayim that had they been alive they would be walking on their paws they will be tame even inside the of the mother so it all comes down to theap so but then according to what you're saying an uber that has the non-split hooves meaning it's that should also have toap but we know that the collet is going to be kosher yet according to your definition of kapim it should be and for the garra what the terra is saying that the tick animals that would walk on their capayim and are inside of animals that walk on an arba. If when you're walking you're walking on arba that talk about the four feet of an animal that doesn't have split hooves and that's why it's four and not eight cuz the high the collet is mahb maheshu it's inside of its mother cow which is kosher and therefore the mother cow has four legs but it's called mahesh because of the split hooves. Okay. But according to that kind of let's say you have this mutant uber that looks like a para inside the of a gum or some other noter animal then and then that uber dies. It shouldn't have to since now it's a dead animal that would walk on eight and it's inside one that would walk on force. So how could it basically give a rule across the board at any dead uber inside the not animals in a veil for the don't just say when it walks on these says so being rabbis may this kind of mud case of this mutant inside of a okay but let's say you have the mutant inside of another mutant that should also be and the terra says that's going to be so how cani say that any uber that's inside of a kosher animal is going to be cuz a we know is kosher and for the okay so we'll go back to the original thera said to be able to ferm for that case mask well let me ask you from according to aer that has split hoods that's inside another shouldn't be but it was very clear that there will be no for an ubra inside of any noter animal certainly a kazer You know what the mucker is? It's a different mucker to that the guy will be telling me it's only in the ta that's going to make but is not going to make tum. We know that it's the case that behemoth will also transmit tumma. So why is it harping on the behem? Ella a z. What kind of dead animal are we talking about? Z uber. It's talking about the Uber that died inside of its mother. So it's a new mocker but there's a between the kosher and non-coosher animals clap the of the uber. So once he has this mocker from why do I need the earlier of the what do I need any of that for? And for the he had we not had that I might have said the whole is coming is for a different dra coming up on tomorrow's d and I wouldn't have known it's talking about an uber that it has no kashan comes the dritzk the dead uber that's going to have to na we can expand the drussk to apply it to any noa of any not kusher uber including the ones that do have split hoods and we're going to call it here I'm picking up a tanya for Friday's daff