Chullin Daf 65

All right, today's daf samak shabas is daf. We've been talking about kusher birds and their eggs and today once we finish that we'll get into grasshoppers. But first we're up to the middle of it's like seven lines before the lines get wide. How do you know that eggs that come from not crusher birds are going to be to eat the which is the daughter of this which according to a lot of items seem to be the ostrich. Does an ostrich give birth to a live animal that it can be called a baso? No, no, it doesn't. It lays an egg. What's the bas that we're talking about that product of it? Zuba toa. So you have this rebu in the basay that can't be referring to a live birth, but rather to an egg coming to tell you that that is going to be user to eat. Minhhatra the ram in mulasaurus beginning a pair of gimbal says this is the mocker for any yitz from a not kusher animal that it's also going to be user. In other words, we accept it as a fact that any yates from a dvar is going to be tame and typhus even asks for a kasha anomal like why is the gumar looking for a muker? It's a regular yitz. But the Rambam learns that this is the booker for Absilates. Interestingly, the Rambam doesn't want to give you malus for eating something at he compares it to a man where even according to Katirra, you still don't get malus. The magishna brings from mushimum that argue with that raam frict. How can you make a dasha from the basayana the dilma humyu? Maybe that's its name. It's called a basayana and you can't therefore say it's talking about the egg that comes from it that that's the name of it a basayana because it says in the pk in the fourth per of which seems to be good timing being that we just started the three weeks because the says like these that are in the midbar. So don't talk to me about the yana being called a basana because the puss expressly calls it just a without having the bas in the front. Well, practicing Marvelite, but maybe I'll show you that the name is Basana. The mik seems to be calling it a benana. And over there, we're talking about the beno being Miss Abel. And obviously eggs are not being missel. They can't talk. And for the mis means I'm going to be singing like the Anna, which is Miss Abel on its own. Meaning the benana is not talking about its children but rather there will be an ais like the ais on its young. You read the pus a little differently which this seems to call the actual bird the benana which the answers again a way to read the not the bonana are going to be singing praise. If you tell me the basian talk about the egg of the yana an egg can't sing shiraiv hayana basana sometimes is written yana sometimes written basana vashani haka when the terra will sing basana amongst the not kusher birds clearly the bas is not part of the name because the cipher when he writes the tyra he actually makes it into two words bas and yana two different words so therefore over here the tyra calls the bird yana and the bas is referring to its egg just on that point of the garra saying that baab Basar Shir that an egg can't sing Shira. The Margolius Ashass points out that whenever you have these animals singing Shira, it's always a shila. Is it the animal that sings a Shira or the Malik of the animal that sings a Shira? So this gar seems to imply it's the actual animal because the malik could do it even if it would be an egg. Frank Safra from the fact that the cipher broken into two words moving over to does that mean that the egg of the is separate than the yana and it's not just a two-word name? the safer betray that the terra splits it into two words even though the points out that ar does not split it into two words but the saying it's and then is two different words you can tell me it's two different people it's not it's for sure the same person was his name because you can separate into two words but won't be two different lines of the baser can split the words bas and yana on two different lines. So clearly it's not two words of the same name but it's two different things. One being the mother bird and one being the egg. There's actually an important ran over here where Iran and the daff says that when you write a get you can't put the husband and the wife on two different lines and it's brought that way in just like has to be on the same line so too the information in a document like again has to be on the same line and the mucker is going to be then the said etc because the tyra does not give us real simash but kazal know that we had these different sim that imply kash or not kasherness by birds so tanya The Bryce says if a bird is dy is definitely not kusher and when we spoke out there different reshinim and what that might mean according to rashi back on ness it's that the bird will use its claws to lift the food to its mouth rather than bending down to eat it. Tyus doesn't like that because a chicken does that. We know a chicken's kusher. So Tyus says it's dur while the actual prey is still alive. And the ramban is a third shot says that it uses dus means it actually kills its prey with its claws. But either way, we know that dy is going to make it not kosher. Also, if it has this extra toe or visic or a crop or van or you can peel off the cork of those are actually simony of cases of the bird. How do you test it out? You take this string and you stretch it across. Give it a high wire. If it splits its feet when it stands on it, then it'll be tummy. That is a rya. That is a tummy bird. And when we say I'm saying that really it's the we keep claring about whether or not are a sim or a because if it's a then that's what makes it kosher or not kosher it's a sim of being if there's only one toe and three toes split accordingly then it'll be any bird that can stuff in the air like if you throw it and catches it the prey in the air tom is definitely tommyra see part Even the kosher birds will do that. It's not that just catches it in the air. It catches it and eats it in one fell swoop. That's when it's going to be not kosher. A bird that lives with other noter birds is also itself not kosher. It'll be which really seems to speak to the muservart of your respectively. So that is the so who's going like is going like Zarzer. It's not for nothing that the Zarzer goes to the which we know to be not kosher because the zar is the same min as the surely ising any bird that lives with nasher birds but the argue with their bazar and I guess we're not so happy about putting the together with the not just they live by the nusher birds it also means they look like the non-casher birds. So any bird that both lives by ncusher birds and looks like not kusher birds is for sure can be considered like a ncusher bird. That's what the are teaching us. But if it just lives by the nakasher birds but doesn't look like it, so then according to Billy it, it'll be user. But according to it'll still be kosher. Okay. So concludes birds. Now we move on to grasshoppers. The Mishna had listed a bunch of different forer grasshoppers that has to have four legs, four wings, two jumping legs and wings that cover the ro of its body. And also had said in the Mishna that has to have the name of a kagov. So when we said it has to cover rife of its body of yehud of the length of the grasshopper and some say what ra meant is most of the circumference of the actual grasshopper does here what he does throughout which he says let's just do both shittas right like you say both was all about making schol with the shittas ton raon the brace has says the grasshopper doesn't have its jumping legs now when it's a little baby grasshopper but it will grow them later which develops those legs later on mut it's still going to be kosher to eat it's actually marum is that way in the because the pics say that you're allowed to eat it if it has no jumping legs that's low with how do you read it you read it that it has these kind of legs it's creative that's how we that it's going to grow them later on So in the context of the creukivar mentioned in an interesting chuba from Misha about whether or not when a balkure is reading of course a bal can't do anything by heart right if he loses his place he has to find this place before he reads a word what about kiosk does he have to look at the word even though he's technically not reading what it's written in the Tyra he's actually kind of saying it by heart but in giml is responding to a shil from greenblat and says no you do have to actually look at it inside even though it's a creo my zahal when the bryce talks about the zahalaya That's ascrin. That's the kind of grasshopper we're talking about. And now we're going to bring these lengthyly bryes which is basically going to take us until the end of the do today. Tanu raon the bry says arguy. The bry is coming to explain when the tyrus says arba it's referring to the govoy grasshopper which is what the puss continues and says Russ. That's the name of that kind of grasshopper and guardian minoi. When the terror says and then the terra uses this expression of according to its kind four different times these four mean correspond to the ones that are named in the terra specifically and that's what's you have the cl you got the prat aroy lemi and its min is coming turning over tid bays which is similar to the Arab as we'll see because it's not bald like other grasshoppers as well as any other grasshoppers that also have that same kind of characteristic. So, so far we've only been talking about the four kinds of grasshoppers. They have the Daly listed in our Mishna. But they don't have that sim of having a bald head. But how you know if we see one of these kinds of grasshoppers that's bald, if this grasshopper is bald, you can say salam and it's going to be kosher and that's referring to the bald grasshopper. Le what's the mu that's coming to be marsh which is also bald and therefore going to be kosher. Still we've only been establishing that which is going to be kosher that has the and it either is missing the bald head like the Arab or has the bald head like the salam but it has no tail. How do you know that if it has a tail it will also still be which has a tail. What's that coming to include which also have tails? That's what we've been establishing so far. What about if it has no long head? Or if it does have a long head, how do I know that it will also be a kusher grasshopper? You can make a pin from the all those kinds of categories by saying one is not like the other. What's the between all these different kinds of grasshoppers? It has four legs and four wings and the jumping legs and its wings cover of its body. They'll all be kusher. Even if the head of the grasshopper is long, but how can that be? What about if you're going to talk to me about a cricket? I might think it's actually it has to have the name. So if you want to broaden the definition of to include any kind of jumping insect so you might think that even if it doesn't have all the cautious that we mentioned earlier it has to be d to that same kind of characteristics it has to have the sim of the four walking legs and the four wings and the jumping legs and the wings to cover of its body and since it's the cricket doesn't have that it will not be kosher and whenever we see there's always the or is it actually a different ammyra named if it is raen it would be after raashi and kind of inserted into the gum after the fact asked which kind of grasshoppers have all those kinds of sim of kash but don't have the elongated head now you want to tell me since it has four different we can say it's kasher and we're not going to slug up the difference just because of the fact that it has the longer head I'll say no it's not true which is similar to for the arba and the salam because it has the different four sim but the only difference is that it has a tail I wouldn't need to have the name of this listed in the because I would have the four different and that should be enough because it's to the because it has no tail from the very fact that the tail is a simmon of its discrepancy so to the so to the should also be a reason why you need to have a mocker this is what the t meant thera mention is extra once I establish because of the so the salam also has the same characteristics having the same legs wings jumping legs and the wings that cover of it so it's also going to be kosher to my what are you going to ask doesn't have the bald head and it's kosher anyway and what you want to tell me that the salam which doesn't have a tail it's going to be it's not going to be comparable to the kagle that has a tail Well, I'll turn around and say and still it's going to be kosher. So, so therefore itself tells you that even the longheaded grasshoppers are going to be kosher as long as they have the other four different simas. Now, the raj over here says we're not going to want to eat any grasshoppers because we don't have a mess. The ines is very unhappy with people who eat grasshoppers even though they think they have a mess on it. So bottom line, I would strongly urge the to stop eating grasshoppers.