Chullin Daf 64

Okay, this is Friday's DA and today is egg day as we pick it up five lines from the bottom of the Bryce says you can buy eggs from everywhere and what would be the concern. So you don't have to be worried that these are traifa would actually be a dinder bonan but eggs from a trafa are actually medisa fractura. How are you allowed to buy these eggs? The dilm tummy ninu. Maybe these are eggs from a not kusher a bird. Maybe the species not kusher. Now Tyus over here asks an important question that there are more species of kusher birds. So why don't go arrive that the egg that you want to buy from the guy is coming from one of the kusher species. And here you have a bunch of different important answers of the rishinim that speak to some of the idea of hulkoser because tyus's answer is yeah you may have more species of kasher birds but numerically there's more to birds which speaks to the importance of classification of how you look at arrive the specy versus the actual amount the ramban over here when he asks the kasha suggests that really we would go buster arrive but we can't because you're smite the mute of nellis and tfice to that same mut of the tus species of birds so you have two different mutim and two mutim will win out over the ra and the rajba brings this ramban and says I don't understand what the ramban's talking about who says that two mutim are going to be stronger than the ra the ra should attack each mute separately also it's not really two mutim it's closer to a sixva style thing and the lion doesn't match the raja argues with this raban but it comes out an important between the rabban and the rajba whether or not two mutim are stronger than a ra the mitzvah about being mal a father actually uses this mle is in that context because there's two mutim that someone who hits his father should be able to argue that he shouldn't get number one it may not be his father okay well says but there's a second mi that says that the father's a tra and therefore when the kid hit him he was hitting a traa and wants to make a tully in this is rajan but the ra actually suggests another terret to tyus's kasha that really maybe we would go bus a if there's a but the is from the garian that it's means even if there is no present arrive in the current local you always can buy these eggs. So the way the rhyme looks at it is you do acknowledge that really you could go buser arrive and we do go buser arrive in general to be mirror eggs today jumping ahead if you look at the there's an important if you look at the last middle line of tis the fact that today we buy eggs from even though the aren't being made to us directly what kind of bird it came from which is what the gumar is going to be talking about coming up and we just buy eggs from the supermarket without thinking about it is because we go buser arrive that the eggs that are matsu bayenu are from birds that are kusher and that's how it's brought in sharim and pov based on that tyus but in the meantime let's go back to argamara here argamur had just said this bry that you can buy eggs from gim everywhere and you don't have to be worried about nail and trafus fact the gamarra maybe it's coming from a nasher bird now we're up to omrau life plar we're talking where the guy said they came from such a bird and that bird we know to be kosher so we're actually believing the guy even though we typically don't attribute to a guy but since this is a demonstrable fact so luier and therefore The guy would be afraid to lie and therefore the guy will have nonus in such a case. Why can't the guy just simply say they're from a kasher bird? Why does the guy have to say what kind of kasher bird it is? It's very clear says they have to be plain to which the answers. If we wouldn't make the guy say what kind of bird it is, then he can kind of lie and get out of it. So we want him to be as specific as he can and say what kind of bird it came from. So therefore it's more of a miluier and he'll be more na why do I need the guy to say any of this bim check the sim to see if the eggs are kosher because the says bim there are simum with eggs just like there with fish wait hold on what are you talking about snapper you got fins and scales on fish there's no fins and scales on eggs no what the means is moving over to ubim just like the signs of kasher birds so two are the signs of the fish eggs. And now let's break that down. Bates any egg that is both circular and round like a ballad. One is more round and the other one has more of a tapered pointy edge like the way our eggs are shaped. That's a simmon. That's a kosher egg. And if either would be round or either would be pointy, then it would be if the white is on the outside, the yolk is on the inside, then it'll be if the yolk is on the outside and the white is on the inside, then it'll be it's all mixed together. So lisa, back to our kasha, why do you have to have the g say which kind of a specy of kusher bird it came from? Check the eggs yourself. We have rules for how to check eggs to see if they're kosher. And for the eggs were already cut up. So you can't look at the shape of the shell. You won't be able to see if it was pointy or rounded. Well, in fact, you can take a look at how the white and the yolk work out because that was also part of the sim for the garam. But true face, the eggs were already scrambled. So you can no longer see where's the yolk, where's the white fractur, you're talking about the eggs were already mixed up and scrambled. Are you allowed to buy scrambled eggs from Gim? I'm saying scrambled, but I just mean that the raw egg is mixed up. ivotany. You're not allowed to sell a baser to a guy for unless it was already mixed up. And why is this? Because you can't sell a whole egg to a guy lest he turns around and sells it to a yid. But if the egg is all mixed up, you can sell it to a guy because no yid would buy it from him for therefore let him buy mixed up eggs that have been mixed up in a car. So if you tell me mixed up eggs is always going to be user. When avo telling us that you're buying eggs from a guy, you must be talking about non-mixed eggs. So again, why does the guy have to tell us what kind of specy of bird they came from? Why can't you just look to see how the yolk and the white of the egg looks to determine if it's kosher? Elizer sima. You're right. There are sim, but that wouldn't give you a diceet. That's only so we need to have the adus of the guy that because he'd be afraid to lie is going to be stronger than the simum that you will check with. and continues if you wouldn't say that back two when we said that there are eight different cases of birds that were about whether they're kosher why are we so misupic check out the eggs of those eight species and see what their shape is so it wouldn't give you a hat and therefore they remain in suffic if you're telling me that the why is even telling them to be in the first If both ends are either rounded or pointy, those will all be ras that this egg is for sure not kosher. And even if the would say they are kosher being if one end of the egg is going to be pointy and one end is rounded and in addition tag teaming that simmon with the guy telling you that they are from this particular kosher bird then now you can rely on him but if the guy says that the eggs are coming from a kosher bird but he doesn't say which kind of kosher bird in that latisma. You're not allowed to rely on the guy the ea the dummy leena. who have some not kusher eggs specifically the one from that crow that sometimes will have the dummy lea can have kusher looking eggs but of course they're not kosher the terrace has befires that an ira is going to be not kusher getting back to that if the yolk and the white are mixed together that's for sure coming from a sheretimma if the egg had a formed embryo inside that egg and the shell of the egg was already broken. It will have the tumas sherets that can give off tuma when it is the size of a kadosha of that lentil. We're specifically talking about where the eggshell has a hole in it because otherwise the dead sherets inside is not shak to touch and even if that hole is itty bitty small still it can convey to and therefore it's important for us to know that it has a mask. Who says it's a sher does not have the of a and it would still have the same physical properties. If the egg had this beginning of a developing embryo inside of it and a person would eat that he's going to get malcus for eating a sherates rather than just I'm eating a sheritt from a bird. That's the important reason why we need to know about the definition of the sherets to get the malcus. And as Rashi says here, as he says many other places in Shas, when a person gets malus, the adim have to not only just tell him that he's going to be doing Allah, but they have to tell him what PK they're getting the for the lammed bay bay brings this rashi as well as other places where this is very significant that you have to always say the pusk when you get the malus for the if you're telling me that we're talking about the isser of eating this kind of rickma. This is not an issue about a not kusher kind of bird. I feel the same for a tar bird as the Bryce says turning over a little chick from a kusher bird but it's not yet alive enough that it opened its eyes. It has a dinner of a sher. So if that's where our Bryce is handling that is of embionic eggs, you don't have to talk to me about Sher's eggs which the says the of that's only that's not a real iss of sherk but you're allowed to eat those kinds of chicks but not kusher birds or that will be so therefore that's why our bryson needs to give us the rules to be between the eggs of those of birds the says bim and the Rashi learns over here is that there's no ble if you're cooking these eggs. So whatever kind of comes out of one egg when it's being cooked you don't have to worry about going into your other kusher eggs an egg that's not fertilized. So someone who's a nepheafa that's kind of the opposite of the someone who can hack doing something potentially gross can eat them because there might be what looks like blood in this kind of an egg but since it was murice there are no embryos inside and therefore it's technically kosher. So if you see actually a blood spot in such an egg, get rid of the blood part and you can eat the rest of it. But you're only allowed to eat that egg if the blood spot was found in the kesher. The kesher is that connection point where the zera from the zer would attach itself to the egg and you'd have the beginning of that embryo. But inami if the blood spot was found somewhere else then the whole egg is going to be not kosher. We assume the embryo had reached a more advanced stage and it was already throughout the egg. the egg's only if that blood spot was found in the white of the egg. But if that blood spot's found on the yolk of the egg, then the whole egg is going to be because that problem is understood to have permeated the entire egg. We learned in a bry the other way around that if the blood spot was on the yolk, then the rest of the egg will be mut. But if the blood spot was found in the white, then the whole egg will be ulcer. And it was a who corrected it to learn it this way, which is the way we have it. And this is where we're going to stop now. And we'll pick it up with Omariskia for Shabasdaf.