Chullin Daf 36

All right, daf lamud vov. Do the best I can here to finish recording before the flight attendant tells me I have to turn it off. We're at the very top of lamud vov amud aleph, where we're finishing up the gemara about different kinds of dam that may be machshir l'kabel tumah. And we had brought a pasuk of dam chalalim yishteh. So now the gemara says, "Tanna d'vei Rebbi Yishmael, the dam chalalim yishteh, which is a lashon of the dam being a mashkeh, cuz it needs to be a mashkeh for it to be machshir l'kabel tumah. So the Tanna d'vei Rebbi Yishmael darshans pratt l'dam kiluach she'eino machshir l'zorei'a. There's all kinds of different dam at different points of when it leaves the beheima. The beginning is just a wound, and then it becomes dam hanefesh. So the dam kiluach, that's the dam that comes out immediately. That is not going to be machshir l'kabel tumah because that is not part of its death. As Rashi goes through, there's a process for how the dam comes out, and it gets darker as it comes out, and that becomes the dam of the shchitah itself, of its lifeblood, if you will. Turn to Ramban on as she hates the heat is dam al hadalas. Let's say you're going to shecht an animal, and lo and behold, the dam squirts out onto the nearby dalas, the gourd, and this dalas, Rashi says, is a tlusha shel trumah. It's disconnected from the ground, but it's made of trumah. So it's very important that it should not be tamei. So now you got the shchitah blood that goes on the dalas. So Rebbi Yishmael it now becomes l'kabel tumah. Rebbi Chiya says it's tamei. It's going to be in a matzah of kli. Sounds like a safek, really, tamei. Kind of waiting. So Rebbi Ashi about this memra, mi acharei Rebbi Yishmael Rebbi Chiya Now that we've had these two conflicting dayos, essentially a Rebbi and a talmid that are arguing with each other, anan b'mei nismah, who do we go like? Which is kind of a funny question because there are klalei ha'poskim. Especially if it's a Rebbi and a talmid. Rav Zilberstein in the Chashukei Chemed over here discusses how a talmid really could argue with a Rebbi under different circumstances. And over here in two different batei midrashos, it happens to be a Rebbi and a talmid that were saying their own opinions, but they weren't face-to-face arguing with each other. So that makes a difference. But anyway, he's now asking the shaila, who do we pasken like, Rebbi or Rebbi Chiya? So Zok b'vei nismah al divrei Rebbi Shimon. Rebbi Shimon, who we had quoted from yesterday's daf, that seems to go like Rebbi Chiya because sheya Rebbi Shimon shchitah the es l'dam. That which is machshir, the basar letumah is not the actual liquid dam, but rather the shchita itself. So, Reb Shimon lined up together with Reb Chiya is going to be two against one, and we're going to pasken like Reb Chiya that it won't be hochsher, but rather be taylin. The dam itself is not necessarily hochsher. Amar Reb Papa, let's clarify this. Al kul alma mechad is al dam michil v'ad seif. Both Reb Chiya and certainly Rebbi would agree that if the dam was there on the delos from beginning to end of the whole shchita process, kul alma lo yipligi d'machshir. Avada, it is definitely going to be hochsher l'kabel tumah because the shchita itself makes it shiyach l'kabel tumah. But keep pligi, where is there going to be a machlokes Rebbi and Reb Chiya? That's ben diskanach hadam ben siman l'siman. Let's say the dam is wiped off between one siman and then it gets wiped and then another siman. So, now becomes a lumdish machlokes. Rebbi sover yeshno l'shchita michil v'ad seif. It's one long process the whole shchita. Despite the fact you cleaned off the dam from the delos between the simanim, but still it's all considered one process of shchita. And therefore, v'hai dam shchita. And therefore, the dam that spritzed onto the delos when the first siman was cut is already considered dam shchita. Hey, guys, shchita hasn't been done yet, but it's part of the process of shchita. And therefore, the delos is now hochsher l'kabel tumah. But Reb Chiya sover einu l'shchita l'v'seif. That only the last moment is the shchita moment. And therefore, when that first siman was cut, that dam that went on it is not dam shchita. V'hai dam makkeh. And the part you have to explain is once you actually get to the end of the shchita process, if you didn't wipe it away, why is einu l'shchita l'v'seif considered dam makkeh? And the way the Chidushei Ran explains this Gemara is that the reason why the dam shchita can be hochshur l'kabel tumah is because it's nidmeh l'mayim. It has to have that mashkeh kite. And therefore, in the same way that a mashkeh can't be potentially not shiyach, so to this also can't be potentially not shiyach. So, the dam that fell on the delos at the beginning of the shchita, which was wiped away before the end of the shchita, doesn't fit the bill because in order to be machshir l'kabel tumah, it has to do so before the end of the shchita. But at that time, as a mashkeh, it was still a safek if the guy was going to complete the shchita. And therefore, it doesn't cause the delos to be hochsher l'kabel tumah. You see from this run that he looks at the Lima Fraya kite as a Mikono Lima Fraya rather than a Lima Fraya just because we're going to wait and see until it's finally complete to know what to do with this done. Continues to explain what my talent and when said that we're going to be the done which sounds like it's a look here shouldn't be something it should definitely not be hooked up to the couple to him if it's got to wipe away between the two so what meant was another we just got to wait and see until what happens with the done. If the done is still present when the is complete then the the lettuce is but it's not there it will not be couple to him since when it was there it was just done and not done in my both of this what do you mean when he said to line him up with she does cuz he's not talking about the same thing as according to it's the that works not the done of the even if it's there at the end of the but it's so it's two different because kind of like in that case where the done was wiped away between cutting of the two they'll be to each other in the situation because he will hold that the done does not make it hooked up to the couple to him also because it will not be even though it's for different reasons and how will they it's very interesting that the here is using even though the is coming for two different reasons that you're going to make even though the are not saying that because of the same intention because of the same reasons. We're telling him actually holds it will indefinitely be it's going to be in a matter of and as he says we're only going to know actually have a so we don't want to say like a papa but the is rather spooky that done that's being wiped away between the two we're talking about whether or not is the or we're whether or not is the that the is only at the end or throughout the whole process and when we say what we mean is we're going to be toilah this and suspend it and lay serfin. We can't either eat it because it might be tummy and we can't burn it cuz it might be torn and you're not allowed to burn your trumah. So now according to Reb Ashi, what did Reb Ashi mean that Reb Shimon holds like cuz they're not talking about the same case because there's two different according to Reb Shimon it's never going to be according to Reb it might be so if there clop it the burning the they're going to be masking to the bottom line because as Reb Ashi won't burn it because it's not because it's not Reb Ashi won't burn it there's no point to this. But there's a crime that tries to explain this I ain't sure. Okay, but Reb Shimon ben Lakish sorry let's see you have a clump of dried flour in your carbon mincha and that's what touches the tumah. So it's not liquid. So the question is by Reb Shimon do we count it in levels of Reb Shimon such that it can be the next thing it touches and the issue over here is because of the Kadish which is a rule breaker or do we not? Maybe we only say the Kadish by things that are mashka. The reason why we're cuz according to Reb Shimon a regular that is in a normal way by mashka is going to be tumah even without the mashka because of the Kadish. Question is if something is only tumah because of the Kadish is that enough to be things that are not the Kadish with liquids to a Reb Shimon level of tumah as we're going to explain now. This is bothered by the fact that why isn't it be tumah just because it's all in the same clay. Now the is going to break down the more. Maybe the Kadish is enough that it could become tumah itself. However, Reb Shimon Reb Shimon Reb not going to be something else that it touches. Maybe it won't matter. Even things that have become to me all you is enough to be something else into a and so I'm going to bring you from the it says that any food that becomes wet with the liquids is going to become to me. So only the foods that come into contact with magic can become actual however you know what I mean by I'm going to show you something like this shouldn't become a and I'm going to show you something like this what do you think I'm not food has to be to me by touching a of course he's to that and we also know that there's a of that's a rule breaker so this is the how do we look at the is that like food that came into contact with the magic with the liquid and therefore it can take other to make it to me or maybe not and how does understand the because I mean it can take other to make it to me or maybe not and how does understand the because I mean it can he's trying to bring a from the fact that the seems to repeat itself because the says if the water is on these which is on the seeds and then the thing falls on it becomes to me so what do you see from the that it becomes to me when it comes in contact with the because why do I need the earlier of saying any that become to me to water is going to become to me the same turning over to me love maybe it's coming to be to me that don't really have the same property is something that became what everything tomorrow had the maze for had the shards it has to repeat itself because of their two different kinds of it's really maze and shards are both needed to me maze because I was a boy that's where you need to have a couple to me to me to me because to me maze is not going to be to me to me with the smaller size of the to me to me with the because it has to be a size which is bigger I will share it to me to me share it which can be to me to me with a smaller amount of boy oh is that so I will share it share maybe it doesn't have to seven days of like it does by all makes to my Shiva and therefore both of them are that they require most of from our mission of the becomes official all you did is now which sounds like it's totally a few machine machine but a night according to what should be true just because there's a sheet that does not mean it was it wasn't back to a so my dear made this couple of at the same level as is if it came all you did my remember this is all anyway so according to Shimon he can structure any way he wants but talking about the day to come minimum level of my day for that it has to be only all you did my over to bring from a brace a little bit someone who's picking grapes for the basket to press them and the grape juice comes out of them and makes it wet and even though you're going to ask well isn't one of the seven matches of the year but that's not grape juice so there is not but she does become middle of the bottom and therefore it's a little bit afterwards a little was quiet in front of and he was going to now my according to what is nothing but magic can ever create a couple of why should consider them a couple of a a little bit of my this squeezed out grape juice is not my it's not a legally recognized magic so why should it be considered a full of a buyer so my and a rabona made this dinner of a couple of the same way as the but once again is only talking on a couple of the only that a couple of will be all you did and that's what will be other things I'm going to back to I mean a little bit of I said that she of all you did she of is a riot telling me the made it like my I basically asking you what they write and you're telling me but the water No, thank you. And when said the riot you told him that the made this of the grape juice that comes out of the grapes just like the water the water So location and then so what are you going to answer for that is going to be the same cash as well that so then what is the cash that asking what do you mean by say that this ticket Michael that comes into contact ask about this stuff that touched the clump in the touching the dry flower we're saying that should be no but it was that that food is going to be because it's going to be but because listen if the whole is whether or not you should burn it so the whether or not that dry flower is going to have a full fledged with the and therefore the riot from are not going to answer that because it's only going to be which the now says the vice from which the creates a ticket to get me for that but by a carbon it says that the that touches anything is going to be which the vice this busser can now have a ticket to but the now wants to know how could it possibly be come to me how does my what did it become to to me with you discuss if you're saying that that couple to is all you done from it's that can't be because of we could let's say which teaches us that to my but you didn't mean to the of the of the carbon cannot be so what is it going to be all this cash but maybe it's from the fact that he used to mix it with water to wash everything in the base on migdash. for all of them Not only are they tahor, but they're not going to be much more to come with them either. So the water from the base on migdash cannot be the thing that's much more to come with them. You want to see maybe Hanina's memory was talking about the dam that comes out of that base on migdash, but not the water that's there. The base Hanina said mashecha which is rabim, that's two different liquids, meaning it's the dam and the mayim. So that mashecha base on migdash has to be the mixture of both of them. The reason why it's much more to come with them is not from any liquids, it's because of the kodesh and you see that works on the stick level. But We're talking about There was a carbon and it walked and it went through the base on migdash and it went through the water on the way to the base on migdash. So some of the liquid went on the bus or making it come with them and that's what the bus might be talking about. So you don't see the kodesh is going to be there because we might be talking about this case where the actual animal was wet. Now there's an important case over here that wants to know that even if the animal was wet, who's the one over here on this one that decided that I want the water to be there. Remember things are only come with them because of the one that want that liquid. The case says this isn't the one at all, right? It's the base on migdash it's so he's not a to go ahead and say I want the water there. And the case says well it's that's maybe why we're picking on carbon because according to is a moment it's got some and therefore the is a day out to want the water making it come with them. I'm getting the dirty looks and so therefore I got to turn off my phone here and we'll pick it up from here for shabbos is tough.